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How The Government Tracks Your Life

2025/6/20
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通过深入探讨互联网文化和政治,Taylor Lorenz 为听众提供了对在线世界的深刻分析。
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Taylor Lorenz: 我认为现在获取个人敏感信息变得异常容易,这令人难以置信。我们在网络上的每个行为都在为数据收集行业提供信息。线上和线下都在进行侵入式的数据收集,美国政府对这些数据非常感兴趣。美国情报机构正在购买大量个人敏感数据,这本应需要法院命令才能获取。政府正在建立一个中心化平台,供间谍机构购买美国人的私人信息。他们试图集中使用商业上可获得的信息,如位置数据和社交媒体帖子。政府计划将所有数据集中到一个系统,并允许情报机构通过网络门户访问,甚至使用AI工具进行分析。政府承认这些数据可能被滥用,对美国公民造成伤害。由于美国缺乏数据隐私法,广告商和应用程序制造商在监管真空下运营。智能手机会留下大量的敏感个人数据,可以被任何人购买和出售。这些数据可能被用来损害个人的名誉、情感健康或人身安全。政府正在寻求收集智能手机位置、房地产记录、生物识别数据和社交媒体内容等数据。政府计划使用大型语言模型分析数据,这令人担忧,因为AI工具容易出错和捏造事实。政府还想进行情感分析,这是一种伪科学,可能导致歧视。我们的生活被追踪、编目、打包和出售。商业上可获得的信息包括几乎所有人的信息,其敏感程度以前只能通过有针对性的收集才能获得。这些数据可能被用来损害个人的名誉、情感健康或人身安全。我们已经将大规模的监控基础设施常态化,这令人不安。特朗普政府正在努力简化对敏感信息的访问。整个中心化的政府数据门户项目实际上是在拜登政府下开始的。我认为认为“我没有什么可隐瞒的”这种想法是危险的。大规模数据收集不会保持被动,政府会以不可预测的方式使用这些数据。政府使用这些数据的方式是不可预测的,并且常常是不可逆转的。中心化的政府访问商业上可获得的数据最令人不寒而栗的方面是“预犯罪”逻辑。这种逻辑将每个人都变成了嫌疑人,你的行为和社交关系都可能导致你被添加到禁飞名单或被拒绝签证。这些决定不是由人类调查员做出的,而是由模糊的、不负责任的算法做出的。一旦你被标记或分析,通常没有办法申诉或理解原因,因为这些AI算法和系统通常是一个巨大的黑匣子。即使你没有被不公平地针对,你也应该对这种事情开创的先例感到不安。在一个政府可以购买你多年数字生活的世界里,我们如何自由地说话?有了这种中心化的数据基础设施,未来的镇压甚至不需要建立新的系统。他们只需打开一个开关或运行一个算法。算法监控没有正当程序。这些监控工具永远不会局限于严重的威胁。即使你是一个守法的公民,也不能保证你的数据不会被卷入其中,并在你不知情的情况下被用来做决定。将数据集中到一个门户会创建一个单点故障。如果这个门户成为美国人最敏感信息的一站式商店,那么它迟早会被攻破。数据隐私对于言论和表达自由至关重要。保护我们的数据和对抗监控资本主义对于我们能够自由阅读、说话和抗议至关重要。我们应该对政府悄悄地建立全面监控的基础设施感到担忧。我们必须反击这种政府的过度行为。 Emily Ayub: 我认为数据联盟将为政府机构提供一站式服务,以低价购买美国人的敏感信息,绕过隐私保护。这个门户将增加DHS等机构访问数据库以识别和定位非公民的风险。AI工具使提取、重新识别和推断个人敏感信息变得更容易,增加了对隐私和自由的威胁。 Callie Schroeder: 我认为政府仍然坚持“全部获取,总有用处”的心态,而不是有选择性地收集必要的数据。情感分析不仅无效,而且会加剧对性别、文化、种族和神经多样性等方面的歧视。 Ron Wyden: 我很担心政府如何使用从数据经纪人那里购买的美国人数据。美国人应该对特朗普政府如何使用商业数据感到担忧。

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The podcast starts by outlining how easily accessible personal data is online and offline, highlighting the vast amount of information collected by corporations and the implications of surveillance capitalism. It emphasizes the lack of data privacy regulations in the US, making it incredibly simple to obtain sensitive details about individuals.
  • Extensive data collection by corporations through various means (eye tracking, keystroke rhythms, loyalty cards, smart devices).
  • Google collects over 72 million data points per user annually.
  • The average American is tracked by over 75 digital tools daily.
  • Lack of data privacy laws in the US creates a regulatory vacuum.
  • Easy procurement of sensitive information, regardless of online presence.

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It's insanely easy to procure extremely sensitive information about virtually anyone with an online presence or without one. Welcome back to Free Speech Friday. Every moment that you're online, you're feeding a vast invisible machine called the data harvesting industry. Every tiny action that you take generates a massive trail of data. Companies are tracking your eye movements, how long you linger on an image,

and even your keystroke rhythms. The offline world has become just as invasive. Cameras in stores monitor your expressions and movements. Loyalty cards log your every purchase. Smart devices eavesdrop from your living room. Google collects over 72 million data points on a single user alone annually.

the average American is being unknowingly recorded by over 75 digital tracking tools per day. This is the price of surveillance capitalism. But it's not just corporations that want this data. You know who this type of data is really valuable to? The U.S. government. U.S. intelligence agencies are now buying up vast amounts of

highly sensitive personal data on regular people, essentially the stuff that would have previously required a court order in order to bypass the Fourth Amendment. And if all that wasn't crazy enough, now the government is doing something even more extreme. Because there's so much highly detailed data for sale on so many Americans and it's

literally overwhelming corporations and data brokers themselves, the government is building a centralized platform that basically acts as a one-stop shop for spy agencies to buy as much private information as they want on millions of Americans. Sam Biddle at The Intercept broke this story, and I...

I can't stress how what's happening is so insane. The government is basically seeking to build this system to completely centralize and streamline the use of commercially available information like location data from mobile ads or social media posts.

They want to take all of this information that corporations are collecting all day long on unsuspecting users, centralize it into this one government-controlled system, and then allow spy agencies to access it via a web portal. The government is also talking about allowing law enforcement to run the data through AI tools for analysis. And this isn't just your name and address. This is highly, highly important.

highly, highly personal and sensitive data. This is the stuff that even the government itself acknowledges could, quote, be misused to cause substantial harm, embarrassment, and inconvenience to U.S. persons. Emily Ayub, a lawyer with the Brennan Center's Liberty and National Security Program, said, quote, in practice, the data consortium would provide a one-stop shop for government agencies to cheaply

purchase access to vast amounts of Americans sensitive information from commercial entities, sidestepping constitutional and statutory privacy protections. Spy agencies and military intelligence offices have freely purchased sensitive personal information for a long time.

Buying information off data brokers is much easier than having to go through the process of obtaining a warrant and getting a judge's sign off to collect the data correctly. Because we have essentially zero data privacy laws in the US, unscrupulous advertisers and app makers are working in a regulatory vacuum.

There's basically no oversight and it's insanely easy to procure extremely sensitive information about virtually anyone with an online presence or without one. Smartphones leave behind a vast trove of sensitive personal data, including detailed records of your exact movements that can be bought and sold by anyone willing to pay.

This is information that the government has previously claimed "could be used to cause harm to a person's reputation, emotional well-being, or physical safety." Documents reviewed by The Intercept make it clear that this government project is designed to provide access to the

highest sensitive tier of data. These documents also reveal the type of data that the government is seeking to collect in more detail. They show that the government is looking to obtain things like smartphone location pings, real estate records, biometric data, and social media content.

The document also laments how often various spy agencies are already buying the same data without realizing it. Callie Schroeder, senior counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Project, told The Intercept, quote, The government is still adhering to the just grab it all and we'll find something to do with it mentality rather than being remotely thoughtful about only collecting data that it needs or has a specific envisioned use for.

Once this portal is up and running, the procurement materials say that the portal will eventually allow government agents to analyze the data using large language models. This is particularly horrifying given how AI-based text tools are so prone to major factual errors and complete fabrications.

The portal will also allow the feds to facilitate sentiment analysis, a pseudoscientific practice that claims to be able to deduce someone's opinion about any given topic using vague signals in their behavior, movement, or speech. The fact that the government wants to run this type of bogus analysis on private U.S. citizens is a

huge cause for concern, according to Schroeder. She said, quote, it means the intelligence community is still to at least some degree buying into the false promise of a constantly and continuously debunked practice. Let me be clear. Sentiment analysis not only does not work, it cannot work.

Its only consistent success has been in perpetuating harmful discrimination of gender, culture, race, and neurodivergence among others. Trying to use flawed and broken AI tools as a type of crystal ball into massive datasets

poses serious risks. Ayub said, quote, AI tools make it easier to extract, re-identify, and infer sensitive information about people's identities, locations, ideologies, and habits, amplifying risks to Americans' privacy and freedoms of speech and association. On top of that, these tools are a black box with little insight into training data, metric, or reliability of outcomes. The intelligence community's use of these tools typically comes with high

with high risk, questionable track records and little accountability, especially now that AI policy safeguards were rescinded early in the Trump administration. In 2023, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence actually declassified a 37 page report detailing the vastly expanding use of consumer data by the US intelligence community and the threat that this poses to millions of Americans. We are all having every single aspect of our lives

tracked, cataloged, packaged, and sold by a galaxy of unregulated data brokers. The report read, quote, "Today, in a way that far, far fewer Americans seem to understand and even fewer of them can avoid, commercially available information includes information on nearly everyone that is a type and level of sensitivity that historically could have been obtained, if at all, only through targeted and predicted collection."

And this data could be used to cause harm to an individual's reputation, emotional well-being, or physical safety. In 2021, for instance, The Intercept reported on Anomaly 6, a startup that buys commercially available geolocation data leaked from smartphone apps. In a presentation, Anomaly 6 showed that it had the ability to track not only the Chinese Navy through the smartphones of its sailors, but also follow CIA and NSA employees as they commuted to and from work.

I just want to take a step back and talk about data privacy for a second, because I think the surveillance infrastructure that we've normalized is really, really disturbing, especially when you think of what the government can get access to. For instance, the government would have never been able to compel millions of people to carry location tracking devices on themselves 24/7 or compel them to log and track the minute details of every single social interaction.

or keep precise records of every single news item that they read and maybe share with a family member. But because we have no data privacy, that's essentially what we've normalized. Even the Office of the Director of National Intelligence noted in its 2022 report that, quote, "Unfettered access to commercially available information and data increases its power in ways that may exceed our constitutional traditions or other societal expectations."

Obviously, the government getting access to this sort of highly personal and detailed data, especially years worth of it, is terrifying under the Trump administration. And Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency is already working on building and streamlining access to other large repositories of sensitive information.

In March, the Washington Post reported that Doge workers were trying to break down information silos across the federal government and trying to unify systems into one central hub aimed at advancing multiple Trump administration priorities, including finding and deporting undocumented immigrants.

The documents note that this new data portal will also be accessible to a wide variety of government agencies, basically anyone who wants it, not just the national defense and intelligence organizations. And I just want you guys to know that this is not a Republican or Democrat problem. This entire centralized government data portal project actually began under Joe Biden.

Ayub told The Intercept that this portal will undeniably quote, "raise the risk that agencies like DHS's Homeland Security investigations would access the database to identify and target non-citizens such as student protesters based on their search or browsing histories and location information." Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, who's the only member of Congress who has any like

vague concept of good tech policy, has been a longtime critic of these sorts of efforts. He said, quote, I'm concerned about what the government is actually doing with the data of Americans that it buys from data brokers. All indications from news reports and Trump administration officials are that Americans should be extremely worried about how this administration may be using commercial data. And I know people's eyes glaze over when I start talking about things like tech policy and data privacy, but these are some of the

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That's joindeleteme.com/Taylor20. Use code Taylor20 at checkout. Don't wait until it's too late to safeguard your privacy. Make sure that your data and your family's stays protected. I think a lot of you might also be listening and feeling like, well, so what? I don't have anything to hide. Who cares if I'm not doing anything wrong or illegal? What's the harm of zillions of corporations and the government having unlimited access to my data?

This type of nihilistic sentiment, I think, has become incredibly pervasive, especially among young people. And I get it because the whole problem just feels so incredibly overwhelming. The data harvesting industry is so massive and sprawling and monstrous, and it can feel like there's nothing that we can do. But this mindset is dangerously naive.

It is exactly what allows mass surveillance and data abuse to flourish unchecked. And I think a lot of you might not realize exactly how much data is being collected and what entities like the government can do with that data. Your location, your search history, your relationships, your habits, like literally everything can be weaponized and misinterpreted by the state in ways that most people simply cannot imagine until it's too late.

And it's essential to understand that mass data collection doesn't stay passive. The government doesn't just like buy all of this information and then just sit on it.

it. It uses it in unpredictable and often irreversible ways. One of the most chilling aspects of a centralized government access to commercially available data is pre-crime logic. And that's this idea that predictive policing algorithms can use data to determine who might commit a crime or who might be a threat before they even do anything.

This turns everyone into a suspect and your movements, your online behavior, your social connections all become data points in opaque equation that could trigger your name being added to a no-fly list or lead to you being denied a visa or suffering an immigration raid or worse. And because the surveillance is increasingly powered by AI, these decisions are not even

being made by human investigators, they're just being done by these like vague, unaccountable algorithms. These types of systems are notoriously error prone and biased, especially against marginalized groups. Sentiment analysis, predictive policing, emotion detection. This is like

the worst kind of junk science. And the fact that government institutions with real power are seeking to leverage this stuff is so disturbing. Once you've been flagged or profiled, there's also usually no way to appeal or even understand why, because these AI algorithms and systems are just usually a giant black box.

And even if you personally aren't unfairly targeted, you should be disturbed by the precedent that this type of thing sets. What happens when dissent is inherently criminalized or controversial opinions are enough to trigger scrutiny from some government algorithm? We've already seen law enforcement use things like geolocation data to identify protesters. We've seen federal agencies create social media watch lists.

In a world where the government can buy access to years and years of your digital life, including location pings, conversations, health information, purchases, and photos, how can we speak freely? And while you might feel safe now, who's to say that the next administration or the one after that won't see your religion, sexuality, or politics as a threat? History offers endless examples of governments targeting specific communities during times of political instability. And with this

With this type of centralized data infrastructure already in place, future crackdowns won't even require building new systems. They can just flip on a switch or run an algorithm. It's also worth highlighting that even without malicious intent, mistakes happen. People are wrongly placed on watch lists all the time. The no-fly list is notoriously ensnared innocent travelers due to name similarities or algorithmic errors.

Imagine the scale of damage when millions of people are subjected to automated scrutiny using far more detailed, sensitive and invasive data. There's no due process with algorithmic surveillance, by the way. Homeland Security doesn't just like read you your Miranda rights before seizing your location history. They just

quietly purchase it from corporations. And these surveillance tools never stay confined to serious threats. What starts as counterterrorism efforts ends up being used in evictions, immigration crackdowns, and political intimidation. Even if you're a law-abiding citizen, there's no guarantee that your data won't be caught in the dragnet and used to make decisions about your life without your consent and awareness.

There's also the risk of abuse by insiders. Thousands of government employees and contractors will potentially have access to this centralized database. Just look at how many times police officers have been caught using surveillance tools to spy on exes or stalk targets. Now imagine what a bad actor could do with years of your digital life. The potential for abuse, blackmailing, and harassment is truly staggering. And then there's the most obvious concern. What if this system gets hacked?

Centralizing data into a single portal creates a single point of failure. The US government has a long track record of catastrophic data breaches. If this portal becomes a one-stop shop for some of the most sensitive information on Americans, it's literally only a matter of time before it gets breached.

Data privacy is central to free speech and expression. Protecting our data and fighting surveillance capitalism is essential if we want to be able to read, speak, and protest freely. We should all be deeply concerned that the government is quietly creating the infrastructure for total surveillance, sidestepping constitutional protections, and using commercial loopholes to normalize this type of behavior.

I'll be talking about all of this more soon in a series I have coming down the line. But in the meantime, I hope we can all push our lawmakers for real comprehensive data privacy legislation. We should ban government purchases of commercial surveillance data without a warrant and insist on transparency and accountability for government AI tools.

And instead of uniting to push dangerous censorship bills like the Kids Online Safety Act or age verification laws that mandate companies collect even more data, we need our lawmakers to join together and push for comprehensive data privacy laws now.

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