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say that amazon wants to increase its investment in anthropic in exchange for anthropic training its models on AWS using amazon. So icon instead of NVIDIA and project needs the funding to keep training so the company may be willing to go for IT.

The AMD rise in ninety eight hundred x 3CPU is selling out。 I mean, the selling well, not like you know it's sold out to make since music or something. The verge notes that you can't find IT a look on new egg.

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If you look on ebay, you'll find IT listed as for as much as nine hundred ninety nine dollars. That's well above the four hundred and seventy nine dollar list Price in indication that it's hard to get. This is likely more about popularity than poor supply chain management, right? IT could could be.

They just didn't make enough, but IT seems like people just really want this. There were people lining up outside the stores to get IT AMD CPU market chair has been rising to people like the AMD. CPU rose ten percent last year, according to the mercury research, and that was before the popularity of the ninety eight hundred extra.

Analyst ming, I quote, reports that apple is looking at adding a variable appetite lands to the iphone in twenty twenty six. So what would we expect from that? Might be the iphone eighteen or something like that quote has solid supply chains forces and thinks that Sunny optical and logan precision are being asked to prepare to deliver the variable APP ataturk lens. You're wondering in what that even means. IT would let the iphones camera Better adjust to different lighting conditions and offer sharper focus and smoothed background blurred.

Multiple losses against OpenAI for how IT trained its models are in process. And we saw one of the first decisions to come down this week. It's not the last or even the definitive one of this case.

New york federal judge colonic man, though, dismissed a lawsuit from raw story and alternate h. Those companies had accused OpenAI of violating the dmca by removing the author names, titles and other identifying information from the articles that used to train its large language models. Judgment man ruled that the companies failed to show a cognizable injury from the actions.

In other words, they couldn't show how they were harmed, the judge added. And I think this is the important part. The likelihood the ChatGPT would output pleasure ized content from one of their articles seems remote. In other words, the judge acknowledged, like this isn't really gonna just copy your articles and the judge added that IT seemed like the companies want compensation for use, not redress for removal of information, and therefore raw story and alternate say they planned to file an amended complaint.

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Will tiktok lunch to feature thursday that lets you share a song from apple music or spotify in the tiktok, so you just press you little share button and then send IT to tiktok, and IT will make a little album card for you. You can share single tracks, whole albums, playlists, and with spotify. You can even share podcasts and audio books.

You can do IT as a dm, or you can post IT to stories with the feed. You can share IT as a video or a photo. That default image and and title would appear behind you with the Greens screen feature on the video, and viewers then see where you shared IT from.

And so they can then go click on that and it'll take you back to spotify, your apple music, to listen to the whole track. IT does seem like this. Is tiktok finally playing nice with the music industry, right? Because it's sending traffic to the platforms, not just taking IT from them. And then of course, the music labels, uh, works well when I don't know if this is going to affect your life at all, but what do you think I mean.

I think like I always for the high tide lips on both and IT makes a lot of sense. As someone who I guess in the last year has had learned how hard that is to promote and get awareness on your podcast. I think this makes a lot of this makes a lot of sense.

And I thinks like like that kind of backtracking, which is always difficult because I think so many times they listen to a tiktok or watch a jack tok, we don't just listen to we watch them. I suppose if you have site um and it's that kind of like connecting IT to the source, which is always the hard part, which I guess is sticky for certain. So I mean, I don't want to say necessarily yeah the big all the big industries are gonna get more money, traffic or revenue from somewhere another.

But I don't know. I think that makes sense for creators and things like that to people to kind of have that visibility. So I like IT, I like IT.

Yeah I mean, yeah, the whole thing with tiktok is a not not every single tiktok I watch a is a music track, but many are. And for tiktok to say, are right, apple, spotify, we know you're getting IT from from we're getting that from your ourself. Anyway, let's all play nice together.

So I, Sarah, watch one of wind's extremely cool exercise videos and you, there's a cool song and I like, oh, it's on apple music. cool. I already subscribed to apple music, so now I know more about that song that I wouldn't have heard otherwise. That's that's where I think this is ongoing.

So the way that would work is when you would have to share the song in the tiktok and then do your exercise video in the Green screen mode in front of the album mart, and then I would link back to the song, but that that could work, right?

That could work. But even if you didn't .

have the album t you could just say no where he came from.

Yeah, then you don't get the track back stuff. You don't get the link back stuff.

You have to do the album.

Well, that's the way IT works, right? You press share from spotify. IT creates the little card of like .

I see IT has two parts in video somehow that's interesting. Ah okay yeah that mean I don't know. I think that for some people it'll be like on OCR.

I'm not going to do that. It's going to rip songs otherwise. But tiktok wanting to play nice in general with a frame, you know regional folks, this makes sense. And i'm not at much of a spotify user, but I am an apple music user and certainly apple podcast. So yeah.

I tried IT out request out. There's a there a song about GPT out from from a group called Stacy. And so I I wanted to try this out. So I was like, I would never have made a tiktok video about this, but I was kind of fun to be like, let me just share the track and then I wrote in the commentary, and into the video i've wrote in the commentary, like first, first song i've seen about the transformer here, IT is, and then people can go check that out. So IT was a way, I granted, I was doing this to try out how IT worked, but I was a way to create content that I wouldn't have created otherwise.

Well, well, well, you know, tiktok IT would be nice if was more integrated.

I think that's the thing. Was instagram like you were saying there? And thank you for always like you giving me problem. Excited, that is, but that is integrated, right?

If anyone's not watching one security videos, talk about inspiration seriously. But I do like .

that because you can pick license music as A A backing track, basically. And I mean, I just feel like that would work so well with the existing tiktok model. It's it's there IT can be transparent, but that that there is a link back.

Maybe that's for the future once I get this like particular feature and work at all the like logistics and and revenue, is that is that of all that? But I would like that as a feature request. Tiktok folks .

just saying like .

and then real .

quickly, since we're talking about tiktok, Derek patron wanted to clarify canada is not shutting down tiktok or access to tiktok from canada, theyve told the canadian division of tiktok corporation to wind up Operations. They said, clearly the canadians can still access, impose content to tick down that's what we said yesterday on the show. But in the discussion we sort arranged in the speculation about like what if they did ban tiktok .

entirely so yeah .

to just clarify.

seeing the real and I were about .

this in my site tech news later today, I think this is really that they're not going the root of india or the united states in saying I have to block IT or APP stores have to stop listing IT. They are merely shutting down the Operation in the country that will make IT harder to sell ads in touch like that. Um IT implies to me that canadians security concerns are about personnel not as much about the APP which makes more sense to me well as somebody .

who is a eagerly awaiting my new mac money um which I have talked about a nosier for quite some time now. Apple has expanded high power mode. If you don't know what that is, it's apple's feature in macos venture and later which to up until now has allowed Better performance for demanding workloads to max with the info approach, including the mac mini now getting IT.

Now, if you're like, will wait a second. I R, I had this IT was previously only available for the fourteen and macbook pro with m3 max and the sixteen inch macbook pro with either the m one max， m two max or m three max. So the m four p powered mac mini now gets access to high power mode.

As to the fourteen and sixteen inch mac book prose that apple also announced designed to boost fan speed to support heavy workloads, sounds promising. Our technical and some other folks who have gotten uh really testing and capabilities to say, you know actual performance boost not that much overall slight lift in GPU heavy tasks like video rendering, but you know a little bit of a boost. The downside also apparently includes fan noise.

And for anybody, including me who has apple silicon, you in any sort of mac, the whole point is like, oh, it's super silent. So reviews pretty positive even for entry level minutes. But when I know that you do a lot of testing based on your your work, so what do you think about this?

I'm actually pretty excited about that. And this is I mean, is that just for the GPU or that is that just is a cp boost as well or that just gp.

well, it's both, it's both, but it's IT sounds marginal OK.

Um so this is really interesting because even as an android developer, I would say like it's very most of us use macbook and that's because makos is kind of built on top of unix. And so a lot of that plus mainlanders help us in our data job. So just letting you know android folks, android fans, we're probably using max.

I am. And it's really interesting because one of the limiting factors of productivity foreign to developer is actually build in your APP is that whole process of turning code into a binary. And while there's a lot that can be done from the google sign of the tooling side of that, a lot of the solutions in the last, i'd say, ever since apple silicon came out.

A lot of the solutions that we've had is just buying more powerful max to get us like a reduction in that build time to get some more productivity back. It's a whole thing. It's like a whole thing build times and just buying, not even kidding, buying apple silicon has been a solution.

And so there's a lot of things that go into this like and most of us have macbook pro. I mean, I think that's hard to say. But for companies that have a little less resourcing that can buy a brand and coral, the time the mac mini and and other kind of more desktop devices have been really appealing.

So i'm all for this like even if it's like a moderate, even if it's like like, like kind of negligible to moderate increase, i'm actually really excited for IT, and I think that it's it's just kind of a the world that I live in as a dav. Is that yes, a little bit of CPU boost can save me sometime compiling and and may be projected. That sounds really lame in corporate but IT. But if is true is true.

that is true. And even just .

like trying to give an example that going to deep, but like when i'm building A U I, A lot of time that I just have to keep k building over and over over again. And there's a big difference between having like having to wait a minute versus having to wait twenty seconds for something to to recompiled. And and that's like the level we're at. We're just like trying to shake off seconds just so that we don't have to break context low. So yeah I know IT doesn't seem like a lot, but I am all for anything .

that give me if you yeah text says at least on the mac many. So this was a feature only for max chips and ultra chips. Before he can get IT in the laptops, he just couldn't get IT in the mini.

And for the many, the amount was so negligible, they didn't bother to make charts to show the difference on the CPU test. They saw an upward nudged in a couple of GPS s, and the apple is said probably see the benefit more on the GPU side than the CPU side anyway. So I don't know that IT matters now, but IT is interesting to see them at least enable that. Advantage because I think that points to the future of like I don't know its other magnets or and fives or something might be able to make Better use of this and maybe it's in the laptops and none in .

the minutes mean, a lot of this also sounds like it's really like, do you care about fan noise or do you not care about fan noise? I didn't need to care about fan noise because I had IT when I was running something that you was was making my laptop sweat a little bit, know, or my desk type thing now i'm like, oh wow, you know my poor mac mini that is still sitting on my desk you can see that but um i'm sorry mag many I really do love you circle t to twenty eighteen but you know that thing I mean, IT was like weisz truly.

You know and that's what for quite some time we were just used to you know, if a computer is really being put to the test, it's going to be like. Fan cool, you know and all that stuff. And we're getting to a point now where we have computers um and this is not just apple, it's variable. A variety of of manufacturers can do this that um a computer is of expected to just be sort of silent and not in the way. And you know if you're going if you're gonna high paramo de, it's going to be less silents.

Yeah I think in this case, it's sort of just a fan noise mode, right? IT doesn't give you enough power. So it's like, well, if I want to hear some fano is I can turn on high .

power boat of the mcnee maybe it's thing days .

like almost like a how can I have the world? I going to go like A A new kind of decoration or pollito ness like especially uncalled and see ever the peni. We've all been living a lot of our lives on calls and I did have I think that then I had like someone said to mean I just stuck with me because I didn't want to say the word like IT I um like so .

I had a two thousand .

and eighteen Michael pro for a long time at at some point I just started send to the jet at every single time I use IT to the point I got to string on calls. So then IT becomes kind like a kind of like being considered IT to your like calmar to not have you're the jet, the red engine restructing. So I mean, I don't personally care and I probably would run high party.

Mom, i'm just set my desk alone. But I mean, hey, there you go. It's just now considered polite to have a quiet .

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During its key three earnings call last tuesday, google CEO soon darpa chi made mention that more than twenty five percent of new code at google is generated by some kind of A I with human programmer reviewing and improving the outputs, of course, which I also stated. We're also using A I internally to improve our coating processes, which is boosting productivity and efficiency.

That february, business insider reported that google had spun n off a model from gni for internal use called goose. That model was trained on google twenty five years of software development, letting a generally modified code using natural language queries. So it's probably goose that's being talked about um when which I says there they're getting twenty five percent of the code from their own internal models. When you're a developer for android, how does this newsroom with you?

I have to be when I first read that article, I was a little bit sceptical because one five percent felt like particularly high. But I think IT makes a lot of sense kind of looking into gu since that IT is a very like tailored model to how google know the the google in international practices. And I mean, okay, i'll say i've been extremely like not quite about my dislike of the gene, the general A I craze right now, but as a developer is almost like the complete opposite.

And it's been I think I could quickly came around to the idea that this is a very empowering and a very like I hate using the productivity work again because IT just had a little to corporate um but IT IT is a really big productivity boost that can allow us to duce some really cool. So I think that now that I think about IT more IT makes a lot of sense. And I think um IT IT IT is something that we're going to be continuing to see and to be continuing to use. And I really will, I think for on average, like make lives Better for developers. I really, really do um but yeah I really kind of depends though I think IT just depends on like for example, a google using their own international model that I can even i'm trying to think about metaphor for that but it's like, yeah that makes a lot of sense for them to get that kind of level of productivity out of IT IT sounds scary and I have really just asking me are are you OK are you gonna a job?

Yeah you're going to get replaced .

by goose and yeah, that's that's the whole thing. I mean, as somebody who's actually a developer, when you say as a developer IT is helpful as a human outside of that film, you're not so sure yeah, you mean by that? So the problem that .

I have a lot of general AI things as a developed as a person, as a human being, is that a lot of the generative AI people treat as factual, when it's kind of not like treating IT as if IT was like wikipedia or a trusted new source, when we all know that even google ais, which resolves to ChatGPT, can be a little bit wrong, can give you inconsistent information and not actually be factual.

Whereas it's really interesting because programing is more not to sound too highly of my job is a more creative, right? There is not a single truth necessarily to how you solve a problem is like iteration and trying to figure out both your preference and the right thing for the task. And I think that actually is a very compelling use case for things like general AI and l ms, because a lot of our job is connecting dots, finding patterns and you know making a solution out of those things, which is really, really perfect.

I mean, like how many times if you had like a bug in your APP is never you're never going to have A A bug application. And so in that context, I think l ms can be useful um as long as you have a little bit of like I guess, direction and kind of caution and using IT. So as I think because they think programing is inherently kind of creating new things that again, don't have like a sense i've like this is factual or not, it's kind of but it's is more like a kind of like because there was a creative more of creative endeavor than you like to like to think. IT makes a lot of sense for this.

When these ello EMS are tailored, IT feels like they work Better and they're very tailor for for coating and obviously google tailored even more to its own coding. Um that seems to fit in with what you're saying here, which is you know the upside is when it's good at a specific thing, you can use IT as an assistant for that thing that's .

at one hundred percent. And I think that's also hit the grounding. Um I think and that's what I think i'm less surprised than seeing that goose was twenty five percent because i'll give you like off top my head.

I think maybe when I was using geri in studio, which is our assistant in android studio, which is our android developers, I may be generating twelve to ten percent. And baby, i'm actually interested in, but I want to spit all ten to twelve cent. IT makes a little sense that when you have a tailed model that is built to your specification that knows your specific way of coding your engineering practices, IT makes so much sense.

Um and yeah like but and even like having what what is IT. For example, for another development, what we have now is context awareness, which is the gm. I will actually look at your project and through having IT you know able to understand your code. Um you can actually have IT as you're typing, try to more less finish your sentence and that's what it's doing at a lot of times because you know alams are basically pattern recognizers or things like that.

It's really good at IT because you know I mean, I said my job was created but it's also kind of repetitive yeah um and so I think that that's the key is like having giving the lm more context and as and as much context as you can give IT itll, it'll get even Better at guessing so yeah and like so for example, like the feature where i'm typing and IT tries to kind of guess what the next thing I want to type is that is only enabled if I say I let gi take a look at my code. There's there's a lot of actually issues around preparatory code and like letting google basically see you know a company's paraty code. And so that's a good thing.

So and another chAllenge to is like how do we keep privacy while using this? Ool is actually kind of like a little bit of posing goals, but it's a really interesting time. And I think like it's amazing. I actually talked to torn norby, who's like the engineering director on the under studio team, and he's just really excited and and their specific goal is not to replace us but to, as he said, sprinkle A I productivity throughout our.

you know our experience think that's what we all want yeah right it's like, can you make my life easier while still you as I do my job yeah why would I say no? Well.

and he actually demonstrated like a feature that they're working on last week where IT IT actually getting to the point where they can help us. He said, we want to eliminate toil. And not only that, they can kind of do things that are impossible for us to do now.

So an example is testing and not to get to in the visit, we had to test our code like we write, test that kind of determine whether logic know kind of give the output that result for aren't input. And there's like a lot of different types of testing. And a lot of that is like you testing little fine grain things, but also U I testing.

So say I have like a silent flow. I might have what is called an integration test where I test that sign up like from the showing you of like the the registration page to the success you know screen when you finally exactly register. And the good thing to do is to get a test for that. Um there's a really, really hard tests to write just because there's a lot going on well .

and you don't really yeah you don't know how the human .

is going to exactly exactly. And so yeah that's that's another great point is like we often test the happy path that we often as developers don't think about the weird things that that that users are able to do to make things go wrong. So they're working on features that can actually find these like can suggest these edge cases and actually tour demonstrates is something that was really cool. He was like, okay, say you wanted to just test whether your play pause button s, which is appropriately, appropriately from icon to icon. So the current tools that we have now to test that our AI coding stuff, like it's not, we have to kind of figure.

So do we just load the images and test that like that the pixel are of this button, of this button icon in the right place like it's it's very like we don't have a lot of way of expressing, hey, is is a pause icon showing surprisingly but what he showed was that he was using, just like they're using demonized multimodal where I can take like different kinds of like input, like images and words and and text and images and you can actually tell no ji. Hey, like tell me if the pause button is showing and rather than say me looking at the individual pixel, like take me screen shot and looking at the pixel other button and saying, okay, looked the right, like, like, look right for a pause button or IT matches this other image. I have A, I is a literally saying, like A I is looking at my screen, understanding what's going on with a screen and saying, oh yeah, as a pause button here, like a person would do and that's, I know the distinction is, is really fine, like really fine, but it's huge.

It's huge, right? And he was giving another example, would say like this is not real example, but say you're working on like A A google map type of application and you want to test that if the user inputs like this from this location to that location, that the result shows a route from a to b tour is basically saying, eventually you can do that. And like I can't it's hard to describe how saying, oh, there is a lot from a to b, how hard that would be as a programmer to describe in code whether you can just tell the alam to do that like you would a person ah, and it's smart enough to make that connection without you.

I mean like it's it's kind of crazy IT take us the dim.

dim s that out. Yeah yes, waste time. And so I get still these tools aren't placing me. I'd actually asked gemini and enter studio to write me an APP and IT only gave me like. Ten percent of what I needed.

And there's still a lot like for me as a senior engineer to do like connecting dots, deciding what's best for me, interacting with like things like back and and like other things that that that android has hundred studio and jmi want want have anything to do with. But yeah, IT takes the toilet and IT leaves me. You'd like time to do the good stuff.

So yeah, it's pretty good that I feel like your job when is a really great example of where AI is helpful, but not quite there yet yeah for someone like me because i'm not writing code, but I talk about people who write code, you know it's more like sometimes I feel like it's a little bit of an ego thing where i'm like that's not what I would have said. That just doesn't sound like me you know like get Better gi know whatever the AI system is but when IT when IT really comes to facts that you know that's that's a big part of .

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