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And Android has got another facelift with Material 3 Expressive. Let me tell you, it's expressive. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story. ♪

Or in this case, the big stories, because there's a lot of news coming from Google. And so I figure I'm going to break it up a little bit, a little bit of discussion, a little bit of news recital. Right, because it's Google I.O. today. Oh, wait, no, that's not until next week. See, that's what's so weird. Normally, all this stuff would happen on Google I.O. This year, they're doing it a week early. They're going to save I.O. for A.I., it seems like anyways. Yeah, yeah.

So we have a bunch of news today related to Android. Google is dropping all of its big Android news, or at least most of it, I'd say. This morning, they've got a live stream going on right now at the time of this recording for the Android show where they're spilling all the beans. I got a little bit of this information in advance.

Android is getting an updated design overhaul with Material 3 Expressive, its next kind of version of Material design. This debuts on Android 16 and Wear OS 6, so you're not going to get it immediately. The update for Android leans heavily into emotional impact. Google says this a lot throughout their materials. The emotional impact of user experience,

highly customizable styles and palettes, more dynamic and physics-driven UI animations throughout. There's also enhanced glanceability, so you've got real-time data streaming into places like the lock screen. An overall redesign of the look and feel of things like quick settings and how the home screen imagery kind of bleeds into the rest of the experience. You kind of got to see it to understand a lot of this stuff, but

Wear OS users will also see some changes, more adherence to the watch's unique display shape. So buttons actually morph to the circular display shape versus the square if you're on that type of watch. Dynamic color theming and, again, glanceable buttons, glanceable tiles, and objects.

I'm going to put a pause right there because there is more news, but we can kind of talk about design changes first and foremost. Have you had a chance to kind of see what some of these things look like and how do we even describe them to users? I don't know. I mean, the color scheme is very beige. It's like muted pink, muted purple, beige, which is very modern. That's what's going on these days.

Yeah, it's probably an unfair stereotype, but part of my brain still thinks of Android having the features, iOS having the design. And I feel like this is the closest Android has gotten to having iOS style design. And I don't mean that in that they're imitating iOS, although in some cases they are. But I mean that they are having a design that is about the design and not just a design in service of the functionality. Does that make sense?

Yeah, I mean, I think it serves to be both. Like, Google has, you know, been doing the material design thing for quite a while, right? Like, more than a decade at this point. Prior to that, things were really basic and not very unified. Then there was material design. A couple of years ago, there was Material You, and that was a big step forward where things got a lot more dynamic.

this is further down that road. And I think kind of the difference here, it's like that on steroids, but what Google is really, what the story is that they're really telling right now is we went through, you know, multiple years of research and understanding of what people really want out of their user experience. And,

they're saying yes that these colorways you know these these like color themings and everything that are really punchy and everything they serve a purpose on one hand of being just pretty to look at but on the other hand what they're doing with these different sizes and shapes of buttons and colors and everything is it's all about directing your attention to the

place that you want it to go, depending on the context that you're in. And Google thinks this isn't just about Gen Z. This is also about all users, because if you do it correctly, then everybody knows what they want to be looking at at that particular moment based on the design directing them in that place. And so it is usable. It's not just pretty.

Yeah, no, I wasn't trying to minimize the usability of it, but the fact that they are talking about blurs and animations and emotion and trying to say, like, you know, this is going to make you feel good about using your device is something I haven't heard as much of.

Or maybe I've heard it before but not believed it, whereas this time I'm like, oh, yeah, no, I see what they're saying. It works that way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm really curious to get my hands on it, like I said, because I think it's one thing to kind of see these images online and to, you know...

I think a lot of people are probably going to have a similar experience where if you read Google's words on this, you kind of want to eye roll a little bit and be like, really? God, I can't remember. I'm going to tear up over dismissing my notifications. Totally. One of their studies was about rebelliousness. What kind of feeling of rebelliousness does this UI give to you? Definitely, you could hear my eyes roll at that point. But Google really believes it. I think that

once you get it in your hands, then maybe you understand to a deeper level what they're talking about. It is not just design in that regard. It is also other things like Gemini, of course, because isn't everything at Google Gemini these days. Gemini is expanding beyond smartphones. It's now going to be arriving on Wear OS, Android Auto. We,

Also with cars with Google built in as part of the in dash setup, Google TV, XR devices, whenever we may finally actually see them. Earbuds from Sony and Samsung are just a few that are going to start getting Gemini integration. So this is really just kind of proving that assistant has yet another toe out the door.

And Gemini is the big bad, you know, walking through the door like, yeah, Gemini's home. Where you at? This is Gemini's house now. That's right. That's right. See you later. Smell you later, assistant.

um so gemini just expanding to more places which i mean of course we saw that coming yeah this had to happen i'm glad that this is the announcement and it's a simple announcement which is gemini everywhere uh let this be your last battlefield google like just don't do this again just it's gemini from now on and you can change gemini and you can make gemini be different things in the

Google has that history of constant name changes. And really, I don't understand why they just didn't call it Google Assistant, except that they had some idea of branding Gemini beyond just the Assistant things. That's fine, but that's it. Let's just get used to Gemini and keep it there. I know that's a fool's errand for me to hope, but that's what I hope. I mean, and Google is also want to rename the...

their products like you said again and again and eventually come full circle so when they name Gemini assistant or maybe even Bard don't be surprised when they name Gemini Bard I will I will cry and then I will go Jason is a genius he called this look I don't rule it out okay I think the likelihood is very very small but I don't rule it out

And then finally, Google is rolling out a suite of protections against scams and fraud that leverages even further on-device AI and system-level safeguards. So in-call scam protections is something that they've had. Now it's going to detect when users are being guided to do other risky things like sideloading apps if you happen to be on the phone with someone. And they're like, well, what you need to do is you need to check the unknown sources thing in order for us to continue. Right.

Google's AI can recognize that and be like, oh, actually, this is a pattern that a scam often would represent or granting accessibility permissions, that sort of stuff. And then real-time scam monitoring inside phone and Google Messages is going to pattern detect and protect against a wider variety of scams there as well. And then finally, Key Verifier. This is a way for users to confirm the identity of message recipients, which

Yeah, this is Google flexing its muscles and the fact that it has been developing...

these kinds of algorithms and models for a long time and using them to provide security. Google's never going to win the privacy argument in the public marketplace, but they can win the security argument. They have very good security chops. And this is, this is an example of that.

Yeah, it's kind of it's, you know, it is a really cool flex when these things actually work the way that they do. There can be a little bit of a misconception. Sometimes people are like, oh, on, you know, on device scam detection of my phone call. So you're listening to all my phone calls. Like, well, no, the AI is looking for patterns.

Yeah.

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So bringing expanded support for Braille input, including the ability to take notes and perform calculations. The Magnifier app from iOS now available on the Mac. You have to connect your iPhone's camera, but it basically is an easier way to zoom in, recognize text, things like that.

Vision Pro is getting enhanced zoom capabilities for magnifying the field of view as well. Main camera on the Vision Pro can also be opened up for real-time visual assistance and approved apps like connecting helpers through Be My Eyes. So you can have people describing what's in the view. Apple's voiceover will also describe the users surrounding inside of Vision OS. Apple also improving productivity on its devices. This isn't so much an accessibility thing.

But Universal Clipboard offers seamless sync of copied content between devices. Those devices have to be on the same Wi-Fi network and iCloud account. And finally, the App Store will display what they call nutrition labels for accessibility. They do this for privacy already, but now you'll get a list of what accessibility features are available in the app before you download it when you're looking at it in the App Store.

Among the features listed as coming later this year are head tracking and eye tracking. So you can do dwell and glance for control without having to touch. And of course, the one grabbing the most headlines is switch control, which will add protocol to support brain computer interfaces, which means you can just think about things and control your device.

The future is so interesting and cool, and I don't know how I feel about it. But I do know that Apple is right at the top of the list when it comes to having accessibility in mind. Personally, I don't feel like that's market speak. I feel like they're pretty accurate with that. They do some really wonderful things when it comes to

designing their products with everyone in mind and bringing really wonderful accessibility features to their devices. Yeah, the folks I know who work in the accessibility space cover the accessibility space, say the same thing. And we didn't list all the things that are coming. You want to go check out the 9to5Mac article that we linked to because they did a great job of just documenting everything that's coming. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, Samsung has officially unveiled its impressively hyped Galaxy S25 Edge smartphone, one of the thinnest and lightest flagships available, coming in at around 5.8 millimeters thick, weighing 163 grams.

It has a 6.7-inch OLED display, premium Snapdragon 8 Elite chipset, titanium frame, and all, of course, of Samsung's top-of-the-line AI features. It does lack a couple of important things, though. If you look at the back of the phone, it only has two cameras. It doesn't have a telephoto camera back there, and that's the sort of thing that I would miss. I love the telephoto lens on my smartphones.

And then it has a smaller 3,900 milliamp hour battery, which is actually pretty small when you're talking flagship devices. That's a pretty small battery. The lowest in the S25 lineup. The phone does start at 1099. That's $1,099.99 at

256 gigs of storage more if you want 512 gigs and it will be available on March 30th so in a couple of weeks or sorry May 30th sorry different different M month either back in time or a long time yeah no that's probably when we started hearing the rumors actually is March 30th yeah this this is not even that much less weight than the S25 it's just the big screen and and thin and

And thin. Yeah, totally. And yeah, I saw this in person a couple of times at Mobile World Congress and then Samsung event prior to that. At Mobile World Congress, I got to see it. Well, I think I already talked about it on the show, but I got to see it next to the tablet, the S9 or the S10 or whatever. It's about that thin. So yeah, it's very thin. It's just like, do you want to trade off your battery for something that thin? Like, is it that important to you? To have that 6.7 inch screen in a smaller, you know, compact phone cluster. I guess Samsung's about to find out.

Yes, indeed. Not the only phone out today. Sony also announced a flagship smartphone, the Xperia 1 7. That 7 is Roman numerals, though, so if you're searching for it. Integrates high-fidelity audio tech from the Walkman line, along with advanced camera features inspired by the Alpha series. So it has an upgraded 48-megapixel ultra-wide with a large 1.5 6-inch sensor. Offers AI auto-framing for a full scene to be captured, along with a close-up crop of

of the subject that tracks the object as it moves. The device retains a headphone jack. I know a lot of you say you love a headphone jack. Well, here you go. Now's your chance to buy a Sony with a headphone jack. Support for high-resolution formats like LDAC and Dolby Atmos. It's available in Europe and the UK, starting for around €1,499, £1,399 British pounds sterling.

which would be the equivalent of about $1,700 if it were selling in the U.S. So flagship phone prices, maintain. This is up the upper end.

And I mean, the converted US dollars price is because it's very unlikely it's even going to be released in the US. So if this is a phone that you actually want, you're going to have to import and you live in the US, you're going to have to import it. I was going to say, if it's a phone you actually want, you're in Europe, you can just go buy it. Yeah, totally. It's a lot easier for you. Or next time you're traveling to Europe from the US, then just buy it while you're there.

Spotify updated its AI DJ feature to let premium users personalize the experience through the use of voice commands. Users can actively request changes in mood, genre, or specific artists by holding the DJ button to speak their preferences. So it's kind of like going up to the DJ booth and making a request. So it used to be you just tap the button and it would change. It would like, oh, let me change what's going on. But you didn't have any control. Now you can tap and hold, I guess, and go like...

Hey, bring up the beat, bring up the tempo. You know, you're being, you're being too sad. It's not just, that's what I thought was interesting. It's not just play this song next, which you could also do. Yeah. It's like influence the direction of it. It's, you know, it is like going up to the booth and saying, Hey, you're bringing the room down. Come on, man, bring it up. Although you don't have to shout it like, Hey, can you play some Beyonce? Yeah.

Audible is partnering with U.S. publishers to convert their print and e-books into AI-narrated audiobooks. Publishers now have access to the system with more than 100 AI-generated voices in multiple languages and accents. Translation tools are in the pipeline as well, eventually offering broader access to new markets for written material. Audible's offered self-published authors the ability to turn their e-books into audiobooks this way since November 2023. So this is just punching it into the publisher pipeline.

And I don't know that I've heard any of these with my own two ears before. Have you, Tom? I've heard the samples that they're doing, and they're not bad. You probably wouldn't notice, although if you know, you can kind of tell.

Yeah, that's the that's the problem with these things is like I end up if I even get the hint that it is read by AI, then it just kind of sours the experience for me. I can't unthink it. You know what I mean? Yeah, but it'll get better and better. They always seem to be moving in that direction.

Ticketmaster has launched its all-in prices initiative, so U.S. customers will see the full price of a ticket that includes mandatory fees before reaching the checkout page. That was kind of one thing that they were criticized for for a long time. This comes in response to the new FTC regulations.

rule here in the U.S. that bans hidden junk fees in live event ticketing. However, local taxes and delivery fees will still only appear at checkout. You won't see those in advance. So it's kind of like all in prices except for those fees, which also actually add up to Ticketmaster also made changes to its ticket availability process to show customers in real time how many people are ahead of them in line for buying tickets to high profile shows.

I've always seen how many people are ahead of me in line for buying tickets to high profile shows. So I'm not sure what's new there because I've always gotten thrown into a queue. And the other part of this is the rest of the world is like, yeah, we've had that for a long time. Why didn't you have that, US? Yay. Good job catching up. Cutting edge.

Microsoft announced it will lay off more than 6,000 employees, its biggest cut since it let go 10,000 people in 2023. The cuts will come across multiple levels, including management and across multiple business units. Okay. And finally, ESPN launching its new all access streaming service in the fall with a monthly price of $29.99. This is going to include the full suite of ESPN content, you know, live games, cable network programming, ESPN on ABC, the

A bunch more original programming, actually. Fans who want Disney Plus and Hulu bundled in can expect to pay $35.99 per month normally. But those of you who sign up at the launch of the service in the fall will get all of that for $29.99 for the first year as a nice bonus. You basically get Disney Plus and Hulu for that year bundled in for free. Yeah, this comes in dead center of what people were expecting, I think. Some people were even expecting it to be upwards of $50. Yeah.

But $30 seems to be the price that people will pay. And basically for that first year, they're throwing in Disney Plus and Hulu for free. So why wouldn't you bundle? That's very smart. Get people used to that content so they won't want to let it go. Absolutely. Super smart. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper. This is literally a follow-up.

All right. Monday, we heard the news that the U.S. and China were pausing reciprocal tariffs for 90 days. So Tom talked to James Thatcher from Tech and Trade to find out what that is likely to mean for your store shelves and your ware—well, not your warehouses, but the warehouses. Big Jim, thanks again for joining us and helping us understand all this mess. It's—trust me, it's a mess regardless of whether you're knowledgeable on this or not. So don't worry. Yeah.

Uh, I imagine you've got whiplash, uh, from all the changes over the year. Uh, so far I have, I think I said this previously, but I have gone to my, my new bosses and asked if I can start using the company P card to purchase Maylocks and, uh, and, and, and some Pepto Bismol because, uh, there is definitely a lot of heartburn, uh, headaches and, uh,

about everything that's regarding these U.S. tariffs. So broadly speaking, for the tech consumer, we have heard, thanks to you and other people, that a lot of companies stockpiled stuff, so there's supplies domestically. There's also stuff that was waiting to get shipped to see if the tariffs would come down that hadn't gotten shipped, so it wasn't subject to the tariffs. Two,

Two big questions are price and supply. So what can people expect to see from this regarding those? Well, remember, this is only a 90-day action. So it's not...

This is not longstanding until it is longstanding. Yeah, unless they renew it and things are going well, right? Right. So theoretically, if it's 90 days, you will probably see a small drop in price. I don't think retailers are going to keep it down for too long just because they want to hedge their bets. And I think they're going to try and keep a lot of the –

reserves of capital, for lack of a better word, in case it snaps again. We are seeing a lot of customers now looking to move cargo into bonded warehouses, customs bonded warehouses, rather than moving them into just regular warehouses. Now, the advantage to that is there's two...

Trying to make this quick and simple, but there's two basic types of ways you can hold something without clearing it with customs in the U.S. There's a foreign trade zone, which we're not going to get into. It's a different thing. And then there's a bonded warehouse. So the foreign trade zone has a specific call outs and actions within the regulations that basically whenever the good came into the foreign trade zone, you were locked at that tariff rate. You're stuck. It is what it is.

The bonded warehouse was a different situation. The bonded warehouse stayed floating. So you didn't have to have necessarily a locked rate. You could put it in a bonded warehouse, hold it there, and then bring it out.

If the tariff dropped or bring it out as needed. Yeah. So what we have seen is a lot of customers who went into bonded warehouses are already telling us prepare for, you know, prepare next week to have extra staff ready because we are going to pull as much out as we can because we don't trust the system.

So I think you will see that same movement over the next 90 days that we saw prior to April 1st of a lot of people trying to bring stuff in as quickly as they can and gold rush it. Now, in some ways that's good because that means we're going to have a lot more stock on hand. In some ways that's bad. If you're running a first in first out warehouse situation,

you're not necessarily going to be able to benefit with that. What I think will happen in the tech sector is you will see delays. If you are, for example, I'm just throwing names out here for people

purely speculative reasons. If you're Google or Apple and you're getting ready to launch a new phone in the fall, you might try and mass produce as much as you can and get it out in this 90 day window. You're probably going to try and flood as much of it in as you can before that market closes for the next iteration. What does that mean? That means that your current generation of latest and greatest might run out of stock because

And they might say, we're willing to take that hit. We're willing to run at a deficit or a negative inventory on those products just because we know that when we bring in more goods, we're going to have a negative inventory.

We can get that on the latest and greatest. So I could see that happening. So I, again, we're not saying this is what Apple's doing, but if it were Apple, you might see. If I was running Apple's, if I was running Apple's logistics and supply chain, this is what I would be doing. You might see the iPhone 16 disappear from shelves a little earlier this year than usual. Yeah, correct. Okay. Because I would want to make sure that I have,

and greatest that's going to net me the most. You want the 17 to be ready. I'm going to want to have the 17 ready to go because I know I'm going to make more revenue off the 17 than I am off trying to cut cost and cut pricing down on the 16. And granted, they usually keep the 16 around when they bring in the 17. But for purposes of the example, I think it makes it clear to folks. Sure. But we won't see empty shells. We won't see the scary LA port doesn't have any ships coming in. It seems like that's not going to happen.

to happen? Well, yes and no. So yes, we will see the LA port probably go light for about a week or two because what has happened was

was right around the beginning of May, a lot of the ocean carriers had already announced vessel change rotations. They were pulling freight. They were pulling vessels out of that U.S. west coast to China and back lane. They were moving them to more profitable lanes, probably, if I were to guess, Asia to Europe, because that's always a good moneymaker for them.

So we could see a one to two week lag as they're trying to readjust some of those boats back over. Yeah. What we're going to probably see, um, unfortunately is we're going to see a lot of, uh, congestion now because it's the bullwhip effect, right? You, you, you whip on one end and it takes a while for the crack to go all the way down to the whip. We're going to see that happen, uh, specifically with regard to the, um,

the point at which they agreed to it and the point at which changes can be made to those vessel rotations. So are we going to see a dry port? No, the ports aren't going to be dry. But for example, right now, the port of Seattle, I was on a call with one of the people at the port of Seattle and they said, look, our schedule's empty. Right.

We're dead. We've got no business right now. And that's very unusual for the Port of Seattle this time of year. Usually this time of year, they're moving produce. They're moving lots of stuff out of the Port of Seattle. And it's kind of scary. So I think we're going to see a dry spout, but it's not going to be a long-lived one.

Well, Jim, thanks again, man, for helping us understand a little more of what goes on behind the scenes here, because you're on the front lines there. Appreciate it, man. Well, we're always trying to dodge the bullets, but every now and then you just got to stick your head up over the bunker and make sure that, you know, the enemy is still there.

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We end every episode of DTNS with some shared perspective. And today it's from Toby. Yes. Toby, following up on that story about the AI victim impact that we talked about earlier in the week, Toby said, once you get over the novel shock value of a talking image generated by new tech, it seems not really much removed than a slide deck with curated select photos from someone's part life. So I think that's,

A few people have had that reaction where they're like, yeah, this has a lot more impact the first time and it seems creepy the first time. But if it became commonplace, then it would probably have less impact rather than more.

Yeah, it's a timing thing too, right? Like it's all part of like the wider narrative of like, what does it, what do we feel comfortable using AI for versus not? And is something authentic or not authentic when AI is used? At the end of the day, I actually completely agree with what Toby's saying here. Like it's weird because it's the first time that we've really noticed it, but it's also kind of not weird. It's just using current technology to do the same thing. And yeah, makes sense to me.

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