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Spotify is adding support for gemini on android, meaning that you can use natural language to ask your phone to find and play music. German I can connect the spotify APP to find a song by title or artist or album or playful name. IT can also start playing songs meant for a particular activity, if you so desire.

The future is so rolling out. But once fully functional, IT should work without needing to open, open up the spotify up at all. Spotify, the second non google APP after what's up to get german I integration.

None of these voice activated things ever get the band names I want them to play right. Was sara to us? I let.

Now they don't. Tiktok is now limiting which appearances affects users can access if they're Younger than eighteen. IT in list which ones. But we're talking about the beauty effects probably.

Tiktok also said that will increase how much information filters give users about what IT will change about their appearances you know you're getting into before you turn the filter on. Tiktok is also testing using machine learning to detect if the user might be Younger than thirteen, despite saying they aren't. When detected, the algorithms send that account to a human moderator to review and confirm that test will start in the U. K.

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Letting its employees sell about one and a half billion dollars worth of shares to soft bank. This is the soft bank wants to increase it's recent six point six billion dollar of funding round. They needed some creative ways to do IT because reasons in the financial world, soft bank CEO museo c. Sn supposedly pushed for the move to increase soft bank state a stake soft bank has previously invested in apple and qualcomm and alibaba, so a lot of people pay attention to what they invest in. And IT currently has stakes not only an open a eye, which is had for a while, but perplexity, as well as two other AI startups pull side and Green.

A us appeals court ruled that the treasury's office of foreign assets control, or o ac o fac, exceeded its authority by sanctioning tornado cashes immutable table smart contracts. The court says that these mark contracts can be considered property under U. S. Law and can be blocked under sanctions. Either the decision reverses a previous ruling and grants partial summary judgment to torture or cash users, enabling them to access the platform.

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Four or four media published article tuesday evening titled somebody made a dataset of one million blue sky post for machine learning research that that was the first post a machine learning librarian working at hugging face. Daniel then stream released to data set composed of one million blue sky post, complete with what they were posted and who posted them, intended for machine learning research.

Now then stream initially said, when share sharing the data set, this dataset contains one million public post connected from blue sky socials firehose API, intended for machine learning research and experimenting with social media. A data each post contains text content, meta data and information about media attachments and reply relationships. Now, van stran has since removed the data, said, due to some backlash of people saying you shouldn't have done this posting on blue sky quote, i've removed the blue sky data from the repeal.

Well, I wanted to support tool development for the platform. I recognize this approach. Violate principles of transparency and consent in data collection. I apologize for this mistake. Okay, so I thought this this would be a good jump in in off point to talk about what we how do we feel about scraping of data.

A blue guy obviously been in the news as of late because a lot of people have joined the network trying to figure out of its if it's their new eggs or a supplement to that type thing. But a scraping data is controversial. Scott, what do you think?

Well, I think that this is an interesting story because I think the natural function for a lot of people's to go up, here we go again. Another platform, and this one happens to have a moment of growth is going to to share your data. There's this sort of feeling right to jump on those those things.

And this is not what happening here at all, really. This is just a story about somebody who went to a public website that has public data, scraped that data and is now using IT for his research and and people are more going after that person than blue sky and blue skies response to sort of like, well, it's an honor system thing. There's not a lot, a lot we can do and I agree with them like it's just the internet.

There's stuff out there. You're going to go scrape IT and people are going to do IT with your with thor without your permission. We don't have laws to protect this if there need to be any at all anyway.

And IT is just the way of IT moving forward. So in this particular case, I I don't wanted to say it's so much to do about nothing even though what kind of is in some respects. But I think IT is good that IT does continually bring up this discussion of is how we want to do this.

Are we okay with this? Open and free data for a long time was just a built in part of the internet that was why was so great, and we all embraced that. Well, now we have an open and free internet that can now be scraped and used for other things, sometimes things that you'll have no credit in the work you did that IT got scrape or whatever IT is.

So there's questions now, right? We've changed the conversation has been tweet, and I think it's good to have IT as often as we need to have IT. But I think in this particular case, it's just illust of the idea that blue guide, twitter, anyone, nobody can really do anything about public data. And I don't think this guy had need like ill intent. I think everybody he's trying to do these studies right now, how much of money there are other versions of the same data sitting on somebody who's research derive and they're .

just not telling us, yeah just wasn't noticed. I mean, of course, I mean, the whole idea is social networks are a great way to understand human behavior. I mean, is that going to make the next large language model that's right for you? Biology may very, but is something that researchers are very interested in doing.

I don't know you some of the the sense from what loose guy said, which was basically like, hey, you know as you said, got honour system here. We just we can like that. That is if you do that, then that's on you.

We can we we're not onna, shut down the whole network. Just make sure that bad actors don't have access to this information. And I think depending on who you are, you might think that's the right thing to do or or not.

I don't think people really let mean, let me rephrase this. There's a lot of people who are just against stuff because that's what you do. I'm against people collecting A I I wonder what percentage of people in the data set really objective, like if they were given the choice directly, really would have objected.

Uh, blue skies promise is that this is an open system where your posts can be migrated from server to server, right? It's it's a festival like approach, just like master on this is not really scraping. Scraping is when you go and you get a website, you scrape the data of IT.

This is using the API, the API that is meant to be open for people to access, post and be able to do something. It's one of the foundations of blue sky. So it's not just that blue guy is like, well, it's the honor system is not much we can do.

It's like this is how the system was designed. The other thing blue guy said was we are looking into ways to let users express whether they give consent, not so that someone who doesn't want to play by the rules can say, oh, well, i'll only use the post where someone is given consent to be trained on IT. Uh, I also don't know what damage comes from your public blue sky post being used in a machine learning a training data, but that's probably a versac for another day but if you want .

if if I were like, i'm sorry and here's my address and they're somehow also it's machine learning.

It's not like large language models. Usually people are like you're you're going to we imitate me. This is an a large language mental. It's a machine learning situation. So it's entirely different.

I just I did no, I don't want to go on and on and on about this, but it's the same thing i've been saying, which is it's not illegal. And my Scott set up very eloquently, if you want to open internet, you have to allow IT to be open to to be used. And I think blue guy has the right idea, which is like, let's give people a way to say whether they consent or not. So the people who want to respect that can but until we get a new law about whether a public data is uh, acceptable for you or what the rules around using IT should be, you're going to have a lot of these kinds of situations.

yes. Yeah I don't again, I don't even think this one is one that would prompt any of that nobody. He's going to go right? Kind is he's trying .

to play nice with people.

And yeah, this is one. This isn't like a turning point of.

The most important part of the story is the blue guys big enough that people got mad.

Yeah, that's actually kind of the hidden headline isn't IT, but it's big enough that now now we finally have an a controversy around another platform that wasn't one of the big ones we're always complain about. And that's interesting in its own little way.

But speaking of big eye companies that people get mad at, on tuesday, a group of artists had been given early access to OpenAIce so ra vi deo ge nerator. Released a version of the tour publicly on hugging face. This hugging face in another story, this version used their tokens are, in other words, the artist tokens, the artists who had been given private access to give anyone access to sora.

They essentially published a front, and they use their tokens. Their tool could only generate up to ten seconds of video at ten A D, P. Those ort, supposedly sorry, can generate up to sixty seconds.

Along with the release, nineteen artists wrote an open letter saying, and I quote, we received access to sorrow with the promise to be early testers, red teamers and creative partners. However, we believe instead we are being lured into art washing to tell the world that sora is a useful tool for artists. We are not your free bug testers, pr puppets, training data or validation tokens.

The artist also accused OpenAI of using them as unpaid labor, pointing out that the only compensation anybody would get was that a few of the testers would have their creations screened publicly. They added, we are not against the use of AI technology as a tool for the arts. If we were, we probably wouldn't have been invited to this program.

We are sharing this to the world in the hopes that OpenAI becomes more open, more artist friendly and supports the arts. And beyond pr stance, OpenAI responded by saying, like, look, this is still in development, is a limited number of artists with, but they have free access. We don't tell him what they can do, or even if they have to do anything.

They suspended all access to sort a temporary rely while they figured out how to shut down this public one and claim that only a few of the artists to sign this open letter were actually part of its early access program. It's got you're an artist. I'm curious what sense you get from this is these are people like we like A I this isn't an anti AI activist move. We are just mad at the way OpenAIs tr.

eating us we ll. It's it's a tear of the of this AI artist thing that I hadn't considered very, very much. And that is this kind of middle group where you, on the one hand, you have an extreme group over here, which I sometimes take my toe, which is, man, the stuff stinks.

Please stop doing IT. This is bad for the future, is bad for artists, all that sort of stuff. And then there's the other extreme where a is the future.

And this is all we're going to use. And forget about anything else. This is the new, and everything else is old in the middle.

There, though, there is some pretty reasonable, more centrist thinking folks who know that some of this technology not only is here to stay, but actually could be really beneficial, like they say in their own quote, beneficial to the yards, good tools for the arts. It's it's a tRicky thing to navigate because it's not simple. It's not just well, there's one things okay and other things okay.

Sometimes it's sorrow. Sorrow is as a as a product sora rather as a product may have lots of good points, the bad points and middle income. And that's I think kind of their point.

I think that this is a group. I trust their voices more than I would the other extremes. Um they either pro or way to anti the ones in the medal is the ones that are kind of putting rubble to the road.

They are also invited to this or at least some of them according to open eye. And I want to hear this is kind of what I do want to hear in these in these processes, not just that, well, we had some artisan nda. They all fit with the thing. And on the other end of this, you will get to hear where that they liked IT or not, and they promoted or they won't or whatever I liked that they're speaking up now if they have concerns, because if they have concerns, i'm way more interested in them having them than I am either of the other two extremes. So I see this is a good thing, and I think that open a eye's response is very corporate, but not in the spirit at which we are trying to get all this in right now.

Yeah, if he feels like these artists are saying you just wanted hear positive things for us and we were trying to tell you I didn't work very well.

That's what the pr pup t part of this sounded like to me because it's sort of like if you have a access to a tool that isn't available to anybody else, which you know we all do from time to time, it's like, yeah, I am your bug tester. I am contributing tear training data I mean, that sort of the part of being in a bear testy system, but I don't feel like being part of a pr machine is any handshake agreement that I ever have to have? I'm not exactly sure what the artists uh, thought that they needed to agree to or you know if if there was some sort of a shake down going on, I don't know, but but that's the part words like yeah if they this if this group really felt that way, then that would be something that you would push back on.

Feels like they don't feel respected because they're saying we don't have a problem with A I we might have you know some helpful things to say about whether this tool is useful or not, but they're not listening to us.

Yeah, I think that there is a general feeling among artists when IT comes to that side of what OpenAI is doing because their stuff is so multifaceted. A lot of these companies with that now it's not just, hey, we make images. These guys make videos more over here doing l EMS.

Everybody's doing kind of everything, and they trying to cater to this stuff. And part of that is they want to do tools. They require some form of, hey, that the community of artists, creators, filmmakers, whatever they're with us on this.

And so IT does fill a little P, R stunt if they're not actually taking feedback, if it's just being administered like A P R move. And even if IT isn't, even if open the eyes, intentions are are pure and every possible way. This is the area I just think that needs the most work in A I stuff is the artist and the engineers like coming up on time.

like you who wanted to participate on your side. There is a problem, even if it's not the majority of there is a problem.

Yes, yes, I saw something. I think they can find, they can find some common ground on this. But again, this illustrates we are at a junction point on some of the stuff, and it's interesting to see the pushback. Well.

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Well, you don't know is sometimes you can kind of tell, uh, alright, so very, very different subject. Key player in the development of songs play station game console hey, you shed down is stepping down after thirty eight years with the company initiated was one of the original members at the playstation project back in one thousand nine hundred ninety three.

He also spared, headed the divisions license ene program, and in turn became a producer for major game titles like grand to remove. In two thousand, he became VP of sona computer entertainment america, followed by a role of senior vice president of sce worldwide o USA in two thousand seven. Finally, in two thousand eight, he became the president of c worldwide studios. So, uh, usha has been, or round the block, Scott Johnson, uh, what? What do the gamers make of this?

Well, i'm a huge fan of this ban on his legacy. I think that IT is notable to say that I think accurate to say that sony's current position in the worlwide electronics marketplace is directly affected by decisions that he and his team members made to make them a premiere brand in gaming at a time where there was a rapidity happening between two, three d all this sort of stuff.

And they're dealing ahead with the intendo, which looked like a pretty good partnership for a long time. He was also involved in that. Um I think them recognizing that man, we really just want to like hook our wagon to this wagon and just be part of another person's wagon.

Or do we want to be our own frequent video game wagon? And they chose the latter and the rough. A lot of fathers like intendo, I don't think ever forgiven for IT, but IT created one of the most recognizable brands in the history of gaming.

Commented earlier. We're just got final word. We've been saying this for decades, but final word that the police station two is the largest selling or the most selling console in the history of consoles.

Hundred and sixty million councils were a wide nobody. He's quite done that. We had thought this was true, but I guess so only finally confirmed IT.

And that's just part of his legacy, his his approach illness. This guy's willing to go on anybodies podcast, talk anything they want to talk about. Always very open, always extremely friendly. He seemed like somebody who was connecting to the audience and not just a corporate sea sweet executive who keeps far away from everybody else. That impression was was always there during those those thirty eight years.

And while SONY has had certainly had its up and downs and its bumps here and there for the most part, I think his leadership and leadership like IT within the company has kept them in a really great place. They are in a bit of a crossroads now. And a lot of people talk about this, what sonedex ture look like, what is the future of hardware and physical media and all these kind of questions, game preservation, these are all questions that will hat zoning as much as any other company trying to navigate this particular part of the of the industry.

Y's time scale. But he is, he is, without doubt, one of the most influential characters in the history of gaming, and he'll probably be heavily missed there. I mean, I think in recent years, that was not a lot of hands on directly, but there are a lot of times during the history of of this company, including playstation, once launched police station tools, pivotal launch three in the problems they had, and then crawling back to a leadership position in the face of microsoft, multibillion nightmare company, trying to come steal some other ground.

I think you gotta give IT to him for for navigating a lot of that stuff. So know when one am a little super sad because it's just like old guard going away but also gets well done. You entered the company in your twenties .

and ah sixty states, thirty old. He's been on the team for thirty one years. I mean.

that's a lot. He's been with the company sence eighty six, so even got to feet that with whatever the ck they're working on prior to this and knowing that he was there before, playstation became a thing and was responsible for what was happening with the intendo playstation, which SONY was building for nintendo and then scrap like what what a wide range of being there for IT, right? Like desi st.

sane. But I think he deserves the break. And I hope that gorillas, former CEO, forgot his name. He'll be taking over, and they're very capable also.

So at the feeling that, that would be a good piece of leadership remaining, no, like the people that make the horizon zero dog games. But yeah, he's a dude. We're all we're going to think pretty fondly on.

And there's people like this in almost all of these cases. We think this way about certainly about mea moto over and intendo and and people at x box and founders and that sort of thing. But this is sony's version of that. And even though SONY doesn't ay, they don't play much in this celebrity game as that as much as other game companies do, it's still hard not to recognizing further contribution.

A lot of people were mentioning the video uh, that he did shortly after microsoft horrible twenty thirteen announcement and and that is probably my favorite memory of him. There is the thing that I know most about him um IT was if anybody doesn't recall, microsoft had an announcement where they talked about you know being able to share your digital games and I was considered to be a very complex thing of like only have three shares and you have to be on same network when you authorize blot bloody bloody law ah and you should do a video where is like here's how you share a SONY play station game and then there's like ten seconds of step one and then IT comes back to any hands IT to another guy who goes thanks and that's a they just smile and .

that's the end of IT yeah, they really took advantage of that. Microsoft dropped the ball. They picked up the bonded really well that generation.

They're being asked similar questions now because the landscape has changed, unfortunately. Microsoft, right a but a bunch of this, they just did IT wrong and did IT in the wrong timing. So we'll see how they navigated moving forward. But you can't one of the piece of this, I am, I imagine you can't deny the effect this guy had on one aspect of gaming and that as third party relationships, they existed under intendo, but they were stringent and hard and difficult to navigate.

If you're a third party gave not under the direct umbrella and tando IT was a pain SONY, made that way easier and still had high quality standards and just made its a third parties were as crucial to console success as anything under the hood. So you props to him for that as well. Yes, alright.

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Ryan had some thoughts on our gdi conversation yesterday about the seven point four terabytes of mobile data on the Rogers five g surface used by people at Taylor swift in toronto, o's Roger center. Ryan says it's quite probable that Rogers owns the das or distributed intense system in the Rogers center. All major venues and entertainment complexes use dedicated mobile network designs to maintain service quality during events.

Most are independently Operated. The one in the minnesota state fair is run by mp slash neck level, but others may be Carrier owned or Operated. It's possible that Rogers was reporting the entire data usage in the stadium.

It's a good point where we were speculating on whether there was more than seven point four terabytes considering that there are other Carrier besides Rogers. But ryan, maybe right that the seven point four terrific, maybe all the data because Rogers was run in the das. So thanks for that, right? And good .

point indeed. And thanks to you, Scott Johnson as always, a the day before turkey day um you know where we find your latest us well.

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