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End-to-end encryption for RCS! Yay! The GSM Association announced it has added end-to-end encryption on the Messaging Layer Security Protocol of the RCS standard, which lets different platforms easily enable it. Translation, that thing that lets Android and iOS users send text messages with pictures better, will now be more secure.

End-to-end encryption means messages can only be seen at the endpoints, the users of the phone, not by cell phone companies, message app makers, etc. The GSM sets these standards and started working on this in September specifically for use between Android and iOS. Apple and Google both support end-to-end encryption in their respective apps, but...

But the RCS standard didn't make it easy to support it between platforms. And of course, the messaging apps themselves will now have to implement the standard to support it. To that end, Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer told 9to5Mac, we will add support for end-to-end encrypted RCS messages to iOS, iPadOS, macOS, and watchOS in future software updates.

As for Google, Ed Fernandez told The Verge, we're excited to have this updated specification from GSM and work as quickly as possible with the mobile ecosystem to implement and extend this important user protection to cross-platform RCS messaging. Now, you'll notice neither of them said when they would do that.

But the standard was just released today. So let's give them a minute. Hopefully it'll come in the next couple of months. But what a truly joyous day for blue and green bubbles alike. It is. It is. One less thing. One less excuse not to have, you know, for us all to have nice things for us. I do like the difference in messaging between the two with, you know, a firm commitment, you know, from Shane Bauer. But then, you know, Google saying that they're excited. Yeah.

Yay! After all the millions of dollars we spent on ads letting you know that RCS is a thing and, you know, referencing all kinds of pop culture things. Yes! And encryption coming. Although I have to admit, I'm not really much... I don't know much about standards and how they're written and why they're written. And I was...

I suppose like maybe that's, it's not unfair. Maybe it's an unfair question, but why wasn't this in the standard to begin with? Like, is that a standard writing thing where we kind of start with the basics and then clomp on is end to end harder than we think? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there is support in RCS for end to end encryption. It was the cross platform implementation thing that was the tweak. Okay.

So I don't know the answer to that either. Maybe somebody out there in the audience does feedback at dailytechnewsshow.com. I would suspect it was a, you know, let's get the standard out the door sort of thing. Although RCS has been around for a while, right? So I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. I just wonder whether it's something that – and I know that people really care a lot about end-end encryption, which wasn't always the case. Maybe most of us didn't know what end-end encryption necessarily was or how it worked, I don't know, throw a number out, 10-something years ago. But it does feel like recently people do really, really, really care a lot. So I don't know. Maybe that's just a muscle that we're all flexing now to worry about end-end encryption. Because, I mean, I think that was one of the primary –

detractions, I guess, or just kind of sticking points when RCS first came out that, oh, well, you know, it still isn't end encrypted. So why would I still, why would I use it? I'm just going to stick my blue bubble friends. So I'm just curious. I'm not trying to like poo poo that we have it. No, no, no, no. It's a fair point because I think a lot of people are like, well, I use WhatsApp anyway, which is end encrypted or I use cacao doc or line or WeChat or, or whatever it is. So, you know, how, how,

RCS isn't as good as them anyway, and it doesn't even have end-to-end encryption was something I definitely heard from people too. And I don't know that this is going to cause a firestorm of use. People like, that's it, I'm abandoning my messaging app for it. But here in the backwaters of the United States where we all still use SMS, it's a good thing to have. And it's just a good thing to have in the standard too, right? Interesting.

Because you will use RCS for things. Even if you rely on messaging apps, occasionally you're going to use that built-in text messaging app from your carrier. And it's nice to have that

sense of reliability that you don't have to wonder like, oh wait, should I say that in the off chance that it were to be overheard by somebody? Now you can rest assured that everything's encrypted. Absolutely. Happy days. Happy, happy days. Mm-hmm.

I did finally see for the first time the RC, like I could see the little confirmations that showed me that RCS, that my RCS message did reach my iPhone using friend. And so in the near future, hopefully I will be assured that anything else I sent him will be end-to-end encrypted. So I'll be, I'll watch what I say for now, but in a little bit.

But party's on, dude. Party's on. It still doesn't solve everything. Obviously, there's not support for everything. And the reason I say that is I just remembered texting someone from my iPhone. They had Android. And I just gave a thumbs up, right? And that doesn't translate yet in RCS.

It says the person, oh, actually thumbs up now works. So this must've been before RCS implementation, but I know not everything works. And what happened was they said, I don't speak Korean. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I sent a thumbs up. And then I noticed I had my Korean keyboard up. So when it sent the message of like, the person has sent a thumbs up, it sent it in Korean. No way. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh.

Oh, so it was still doing that. Okay. Yeah, this must have been before RCS implementation. But yeah. Anyway, well, maybe it'll solve that too. That is really funny. Well, DTS is made possible by you, the listener. Thanks to HiTechOki, Chris Zaragoza, Jim Hart, and Clint Williams. Yay! Yay!

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Well, Google announced Thursday that Gemini will get an experimental capability to customize its responses based on what Google knows about you. So if you already let Google know your search history, map data, shopping patterns, etc., now you can benefit from that, not just third-party advertisers. The service will start with search data before adding other services like photos and YouTube later.

But even that could be useful. For example, it could use your recent food searches to inform a restaurant recommendation. The feature uses Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking Experimental AI Model, a reasoning model that double checks answers before outputting them. Always a good idea. As such, it will examine queries to see if the answer might benefit from personal info.

Now this feature is opt-in and only available to people 18 or older. The model will show what data sources it used and always display a link you can use to turn off access.

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I love this. And I know there are people wanting to find a privacy violation here, but I would remind everyone that this is data they already have. So if there is a privacy violation, it was already happening. Yeah.

Uh, they are just giving it to Gemini. Now, I guess the worry would be like, well, what if they use that as training data? Cause you put it in Gemini and then it accessed it. Uh, Google says it shouldn't work that way. Uh, but, but, uh,

For me, I feel like, well, if I'm properly restricting what Google has access to me and I'm okay with them having certain things, then I shouldn't be less okay with them using Gemini to customize the response because that's super helpful. Yeah.

Absolutely. And this is not unlike things that I feel like this reminds me of some features that we missed from back in the day, like at a glance and things like that, where Google would kind of proactively look at some of your things. For example, just easy things like your calendar, and then just show you information that could be useful to you like cards or the typical, oh, you need to leave by so and so time because you know, you're going here at this time, it'll take this much time. So it's

Taking all the gen AI hesitation and things like that, it's not things that we haven't done. Not to say that you should just be very flippant about where your data goes with Google now that you have it. But I think you're correct. I think this is not different than the kind of...

however permissive you are with Google already. Yeah. Yeah. You should, you should pay attention to what you're allowing Google to have first and then, and then make,

let them make use of it since they already have it for you. And I think that's good. And they can make use for you of things in Gemini that they are not allowed to make use of for third-party advertisers because of various regulations. So that's good too. I think this is a big advantage for Google over OpenAI because they do know so much about so many people. Always is the advantage with Google. Especially for those of us who are like, yeah, they already got my stuff. So do something cool with it.

Speaking of Google, they've released a fix for Chromecast second generation and Chromecast audio devices that were returning an untrusted device error. Speculation has been that a baked in certificate in the devices expired. Google has not said what the bug is, but that seems to be the best guess and it kind of fits the facts.

Connected devices should receive the update. So if you disconnected it, you might want to reconnect it so it can get that update. However, if you try to factory reset, it might not work. And Google says they are working on a further fix for people in that situation. Love to see those second-generation Chromecasts. Sorry that it resulted in this, but that's awesome. Yeah, it's good that Google is making the effort to support it.

Well, the Cyber Administration of China announced new rules Friday that require service providers to label content generated by a machine as of September 1st. The labels can be visible or in metadata. App Store operators must check with developers and review their labeling mechanisms. Now, some content can be provided without labels as long as it complies with other relevant regulations.

Also good news for Huawei. According to CounterPoint, Huawei's HarmonyOS passed iOS in Chinese market share in 2024 to reach 19%. But also, I have bad news for Huawei. Police are investigating several addresses in Belgium and Portugal and have arrested several people on allegations of bribery of EU parliamentary officials. Two European Parliament offices have now been sealed as a result.

The case suggests a criminal organization used excessive gifts, invitations to soccer matches and full on direct bribery eventually to benefit Huawei in Europe. So they were masquerading as a lobbyist, but doing more than lobbyists are allowed to do. Huawei has responded, says it has zero tolerance towards corruption or other wrongdoing and will cooperate with the investigation. They're shocked, shocked to find this was happening.

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I also find it fascinating that Google Play stays because that's Google's rule. If you want to use the Google version of Android, which Xiaomi is in India, you got to include that. But Xiaomi is like, yeah, we can get rid of our own app store. You pay us enough. That's fine. So, you know, PhonePe has a pretty good reputation in India for the most part. So it's familiar and that's likely to help it too where people go, oh, I know them. So I'll use their app store. We'll see if it works. 100%.

Two civil rights groups, Liberty and Privacy International, have filed complaints in the UK on Thursday against an alleged UK secret government order. You know, the one that requires Apple to give the government access to user encryption keys for iCloud.

Since the reports of such an order surfaced, Apple ended its Advanced Protection Program in the UK, which let users store encryption keys on their own devices where they would be unavailable to Apple or the government. However, the law does not let Apple acknowledge that they have received an order, so there has been no public confirmation of it. Apple has reportedly filed its own legal challenge to this as well, but they couldn't talk about that either.

And a side note to the story, if you go and read about it or if you've heard about it elsewhere, you'll hear the acronym TCN related to these stories. TCN stands for Technical Capability Notice. That is the notice that the government sends to a company when it orders them to have the technical capability noticed.

to comply with a court order. So you might hear that the UK sent a TCN to Apple. That's them saying, you need to be able to comply to a court order. We don't know that any court orders have ever been issued requiring Apple to hand over any information. It's just this TCN says, you need to be ready in case we have one.

I just like the idea that Apple kind of gave off some not explicit warnings, but just like some body language as if Apple was the entity that had body language. And Liberty and Privacy International was like, we're coming. We got you. We got you. You know, it just came to its rescue. It's so tortured to explain because you can't say –

It has happened because we don't actually know what's happened, but it's pretty clear it happened from their actions. And then this court, this court case from the two civil rights groups has to be like, if this has happened, then we we want this to happen. So the court has to go find out. And they also want the the Apple challenge to be made public as well. I doubt they're going to succeed on that. But it's interesting that they requested that.

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Countries like Iran and Venezuela also use cryptocurrencies for international trade. This is far from a widespread movement, but it is interesting to see that the sanctions against these countries are raising the use of international cryptocurrencies.

Hanhai, aka Foxconn, reported a 13% drop in income and blamed slow iPhone sales in China. The company also makes servers for data centers and expects sales there to double this quarter. The company is building data centers in multiple locations, including the world's biggest AI server assembly plant in Mexico.

Foxconn also supplies Nintendo, which will be launching a new Switch later this year. Yeah, this is a confusing one for some people because they're like, wait, Foxconn dropped? Is that bad for AI because of DeepSeek? And Foxconn is saying no, but I guess we'll find out. We'll be fine. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper into some ongoing stories and follow up.

All right. Well, the buzz about South by Southwest Interactive in Austin this year was often about how it was smaller. So today, Tom talked to Andy Beach about what did happen there from AI to podcasting and more.

Andy, thanks for joining us, man, especially to give us the broad overview of South by Southwest. I appreciate it. Yeah, I feel bad. I can only speak to where media and AI overlapped in it, but it really did show up in a lot of different panels. So I want to sort of dive into it.

Yeah, I think a lot of people were hearing the message of like, oh, interactive is dying or, you know, it's shrinking. But there was still really good stuff that you identified here. Take us through some of the highlights. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm referencing a Business Insider article that I thought did a great job of really summarizing a lot of the different diverse perspectives and opinions you were seeing there.

But it really boiled down to sort of four or five memorable areas. One, obviously, was the AI debates. There were multiple different panels, both for film and TV production, that talked about sort of their anxiety around where AI lives. And a lot of it was around intellectual property and what they're

what they're getting into when they submit their content to a model. Also, what are the implications of that potentially being part of the training data? There's a lot of fear around how big tech will continue to dominate the creative space.

or the creative autonomy that's there. And they want to make sure that that is a missed. They also, of course, we're talking about actor compensation when it comes to the studio system and how the business behind this works. So less about the AI and more about that.

Everybody, by and large, though, was bullish on the notion that we are going to be seeing more AI adoption, but we're probably not seeing a completely AI-generated film anytime soon. It's going to be something where the AI is in that assistant role, helping create in a variety of places in the workflow.

Yeah. So more information around the trends that we've been seeing in these kinds of debates, it sounds like. Yeah. There was also a lot about content, about the kinds of content that are becoming copied. Yeah. And this was an interesting one that came up in two different panels about the rise of sort of conservative friendly entertainment. And you would –

you kind of think maybe this has to do with uh with the the recent trump election in in the us and and they did call out amazon that is has greenlit uh both a uh a trump related uh show and a documentary about melania

But there also was a general feeling that in the world of politics has generally been more conservative in the last two years of elections. And that has globally led to there being more conservative content that is being generally made to that market. So was the South by Southwest crowd conservative?

What was their attitude towards that, that increase in content? You know, it was interesting. I think what it made them realize is that there is a, you know, acknowledge that it's there and that it exists, right?

and have more thoughts around what the impact of social messaging and political messaging in your content is. Are you driving away an audience? Are you bringing in an audience as part of that? And that tended to be the tenor of the conversation. - There was also a lot of talk about the continuing change to the landscape of the industry.

Yeah, these last two sort of go hand in hand. And so I'll talk both about them. But really, the top level was industry fragmentation, which has been a thing that we've been seeing. Now, I've talked recently –

about how the streaming part of the business is sort of collapsing or contracting, and we're seeing fewer of those. But we are seeing more ways that people want to consume content outside of just OTT streaming or even traditional cable.

We're seeing sort of the mass media monoculture dissolve more and more, and people are consuming their content on YouTube. They're going to Tubi or other fast channels for content here or there while they're still taking part in some sort of subscriber content.

Now, this led to an interesting one that I want to talk to you about. And this was really the evolution of podcasting. And really, they were there was a whole panel around how the production costs of podcasts have come up. We've seen sort of the rise of of.

of more boutique style content that's out there and the notion of series within content. And that's led to video playing a big role in podcasting now and YouTube being a platform of choice for some of those video based podcasts.

Yeah. And don't get me wrong. I would love to talk about podcasting because I'm a podcaster, but I think this is legit. I think there there is something to the fact that podcasting is going through a moment and it certainly has gone through evolutions before. But in this evolution, it is starting to be treated just as on demand. People have said that before, but it's continued to be a feed.

And this is podcasting breaking out of the RSS feed and YouTube in particular getting a lot of buzz about the fact that more people listen to podcasts, listen to podcasts on YouTube than on a whole lot of other platforms. What were they saying about it at South by Southwest?

Well, the advertisers were there and they were talking about increased attention to video podcasting in particular and driving higher dollar value for advertising. Higher dollar value for advertising is always going to drive higher budget possibilities for the productions. And so we're also seeing that. And we're seeing a complexity of the types of things that are out there. This isn't just...

necessarily podcast as we traditionally think of it, that is sort of either a news or a commentary piece. There is also some fiction-based work and narrative-driven video podcasting that is coming around, just like we've seen audio narrative playing a role for the last several years.

I'm tempted to just jump to, here's what I think is going to happen. But I will resist that for a second to point out that for the first time in my personal podcasting career, which dates back to 2005, we got a pitch for an advertiser to do our video podcast.

That's not our video podcast to do our YouTube video specifically. And to me, that's a huge sea change where people are just seeing you as a show now and saying, oh, we would like to advertise in this part of your distribution platform. What I think is interesting, and they did touch a little while YouTube was most of the conversation, they talked about Spotify and Apple also stepping up more into the video space.

And I think it would be fascinating to have a point in time where you sit down with your Apple TV and you've got your sort of what's next. And your what's next might be a severance or a show on Paramount or it might be the latest podcast. Like it just becomes part of that like nighttime entertainment that we think of.

Yeah. And personally, we do that. Our first stop when we sit down on the couch to watch television is YouTube to see like, oh, is there any quick stuff to catch up on? Any longer things that we want to make sure we don't miss, you know, and watch later? And then we might go to that, you know, what's up next row on our streaming box and then watch The Severance or K-Drama or whatever else we're watching.

I think it'll make for interesting topic. And I think, you know, we've seen a number over the years, we've seen a number of sort of in particular YouTube stars get broadcast deals. I think this might be broadcasters getting into the video podcast business more and more.

Yeah, I'm seeing more headlines covering stories about podcasts being turned into other things, whether they're Apple TV shows or just YouTube shows or vice versa. It's interesting to see how this is all melding. And I think it's going to shake out the way it always shakes out, which is radio and television, right? Some things are best on video. Some things are best on audio. So Andy writes about this on his sub stack. If you're interested in his analysis, you can get more of it. Where should they go?

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I got really excited about that Fendi hoodie for a second there. Yeah. And I wrote, this is Tony Wang, by the way, if anyone knows him from, from the wider podcast verse. And I asked him, I was like, wait, Fendi, Fendi. Like, and he's like, yeah, yeah. It's an actual Fendi hoodie. So yeah. If you're wondering what folks are going to be doing with the, with the Pokemon now that it's been sold, this is what they have been doing. Thank you, Tony, for, for giving us the lay of the land. Yeah.

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