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All right. Starting June 20th, 2025, all smartphones and tablets, well, most smartphones, we'll get to that in a second, sold in the European Union must display a new label inside the box with detailed information on battery life,

energy efficiency, durability, repairability, and ingress protection. Each category will actually have a letter grade attached to it on a scale from A to G. Interesting. This is all part of updated EU regulations that are meant to make electronic devices more transparent, more sustainable for consumers. We'll get to the sustainability part in a moment. But these new rules apply to smartphones, feature phones, smartphones,

Cordless landline phones, which, okay, that's still a thing. And tablet devices with screens between seven to 17.4 inches. Notably rollable displays are exempt. Um, so that's interesting because we don't really have a whole lot of rollable displays on, on these types of devices yet anyways.

and devices already on the market prior to that date exempt. So it's kind of like on that date, starting from there, going forward, these rules come into play. There's more to this, but I want to stop right there and just kind of see what you think about this. I mean, I think, you know, consumer protection is always a good thing, but, you know, there's always the risk that it, you know, could hamper innovation, as they like to say. What are your thoughts? I really like this. I think, you know, we...

We hear about a lot about regulations and I guess initiatives like this from the EU, which, you know, I think to give them a lot of credit, do work very hard at consumer protections across all kinds of spheres in tech. Sometimes we very much disagree with what they do. And sometimes we more agree. I actually, I'm kind of a fan of this. And, you know, we, I hate, I don't mind. I hate bringing, always bring up our other show, but we're talking about smartphones right now, so I can't help it. But, you know, we talk a lot about,

The right to repair and especially with the, you know, kind of economic conditions, people are really looking to hold onto their phones. And I think this just plays right into that. Right. And part of it is,

rather than I think just, it's kind of giving consumers informed choice. And I feel like so many times we've gotten emails from folks that have gotten nice phones, mid range phones, premium phones, and something just doesn't feel right. Like the battery doesn't last as long as they want it to, or the battery seemed fine for like, you know, the first six months and then totally just like tanks. And this does put, I think more burden on the manufacturers, I assume,

to do this testing to comply with these stickers, which by the way, are very nicely read. Like there's a lot of icons, like the ATG are color graded. So it really feels like it's meant to make

characteristics of a phone much easier to interpret to like an average consumer because I feel like you know we're used to looking at these numbers and knowing sort of what IP you know X8 or IP68 yeah Ingress what does that mean and I like the idea that they're trying to make it just at a glance a little bit easier for a consumer to know what they're buying so

So I'm all for informed decision making. And I think this goes along very well with what people have very explicitly said and showed that they need, which is more choice in getting phones that are durable. So I'm all for it. Mm-hmm.

I don't really have too many negatives to say about it, honestly, other than, yeah, sure, it'll make it a little more work for OEMs. But I don't know. What do you think, Jason? Yeah, no, I mean, I completely agree with everything you said. I think, you know, an informed public about what they're buying and what it's capable of and what they can expect, you know, I would never...

I would never say that that's a bad decision. I think, you know, consumers should have choice and should have the be armed with the information to make that choice in a responsible way. Now, along those lines, the EU also announced new eco design requirements that must be met in order to be sold in the region. This is where things get a little bit more aggressive. I think devices are

must be resistant to drop scratches, dust and water. OK, how do you define that? I'm sure, you know, that that seems like kind of a why. What is resistant? You know, that it has some sort of resistance, you know, like a scratch resistant screen or whatever. Is there a minimum maximum? You know, I don't really know the detail on that from a specific sense, but that seems wide open. But

Batteries must last at least 800 full charge discharge cycles while still retaining 80% of their capacity. I applaud that. Manufacturers must make spare parts available for seven years after sales of the product ends.

OS updates must be provided for five years after the end of sales and manufacturers must update the OS within six months of the source code availability. Oh, my God. These are all things that I mean.

None of this is bad. If every phone manufacturer did this for every device, like I'd be standing up, you know, what is that gif of the guy standing up, you know, applauding aggressively? Like, that's how I feel about this stuff. But it's a lot to suddenly present to manufacturers and say, from now on, you can't be sold here unless you do all of these things. And I really wonder how...

I often wonder with these kind of regulations and rules how it impacts the regions outside of the covered area. You know, it seems like a lot for a company to do some of this stuff for one area and none of it for another or, you know, or just the entire company on board. I don't know. And that's a great thing, I think.

Yeah, it's kind of like the conversation we had when the EU demanded USB-C ports. And so what is the question became, what is Apple going to do? And Apple's like, you know, a huge company. They could conceivably do this. It's just more like waiting to see whether what decision they made. And of course, like what aligns with their business interests. I think these are all good things. Like as a as a consumer, I like these things very much.

I woke up to, okay, now I think I could see a generally reasonable argument for stifling innovation for some of these things. And this is interesting why maybe the rollables were exempted, right? Because...

Right. Because the foldable, so taking foldable is one of my favorite subjects and rollables and these kind of new form factors. These are especially these new form factors that are kind of crazy with all these like different mechanical parts. They are a lot more, they're a lot less durable than the traditional candy bar phone. And so I just wonder how that plays into it, especially with the exemption for rollables. And yeah, I could see that also being a case for

innovation might be impeded because yes, as we, as manufacturers play with certain form factors, barring, you know, the wild things they do for CES and other trade shows, if they actually wanted to sell a niche device, this kind of does hamper it a little bit because it's,

I think when you're selling a niche or putting out a niche, you know, example device, like the, we talked about like a purse, a purse phone on our show before, like all these things are, I think honestly really great in general, but I wouldn't, I feel like they had to make these purse phones, these rollable phones match all of these guidelines. Eco, like the eco-friendly sustainability, I'm willing to kind of be more hard, hard ball on, but maybe some of the sustainable parts and even the support parts, like, I feel like you could make an argument there that,

that might stifle some of the innovation we were seeing in terms of form factor, just because they're right now, the technology is still building. So durability is kind of like on the, I wouldn't say less prioritized, but it's less, it's not, hasn't been, yeah, less certain. So,

Yeah, yeah, that's a really good point. Yeah, nonetheless, very curious to see kind of the broader impact of rules like these in other markets, you know, maybe even here in the US, how does it influence and impact what we end up seeing here? And yeah, very curious to see how that plays out.

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The new Firefly Boards tool enables collaborative mood boarding as well. Adobe did not give a specific timeline for rollout other than to share that the new models are coming soon. I mean, I work really closely with Adobe tools. So anytime they make these announcements, I'm like, oh, these are tools that I'm probably going to use in some way, shape or form here coming soon when they roll out. I'm always super curious to see what Adobe is doing. And that vector is...

model creator. That sounds pretty cool, actually. Yeah, 100%. Jason Citron, co-founder and longtime CEO of Discord, has stepped down from his leadership role with the company. He will continue to remain on the board, serving as an advisor to his successor, that's Humam Saknini. Saknini is former VP at Activision Blizzard, has experience leading major gaming companies through acquisitions and public markets,

Discord, of course, is preparing for a possible IPO later this year. And Citron told VentureBeat that the hiring of Sagnini is a step in the right direction toward that goal. But I mean, that's a long time. He's been with the company for a very long time. So it's pretty notable.

I think a lot of folks that I, one of my friends, a lot of my friends were kind of like, I don't know, surprised by this news. Although who knows what's happening might make a lot of sense as said by VentureBeat given that they're going to IPO soon. But...

Well, TSMC has unveiled its advanced 1.4 nanometer A14 chip manufacturing process set to enter production in 2028. The A14 is expected to power devices from Apple, Intel, and AMD, offering up to 15% better performance and 30% lower power consumption when compared to TSMC's upcoming 2 nanometer chips.

Thanks to a 20% increase in logic density. The A14 process uses second generation gate all around transistors and an improved NanoFlex Pro architecture.

Apple products with these new chips likely won't appear until at least 2029. Yeah, we've got to wait a little bit for that. But wow, that's 1.4 nanometer. That's crazy. It's getting... It's packing in those transistors and those bits and bobs. Indeed. Those are technical terms. Yes, super technical. It's impressive that we can get to these points. You know, it always amazes me.

Motorola launched its new high-end Razer Ultra foldable with a $1,299 price tag. It has a real wood grain back panel design, kind of reminiscent of some of the old Moto design that people know and love. Snapdragon 8 Elite chipset, 16 gigs of RAM. So this is a high powered device. Obviously, it's got the Ultra moniker.

Motorola also announced upgrades to the Razr and Razr Plus foldables. Those are priced at $699 and $999 respectively. They include sturdier titanium hinges and reduced inner display crease features.

visibility. So you won't see that that creases as much. All variants include a new AI button that summons moto capabilities like remember this for saving images, screenshots and voice notes. So an AI button, it's a thing. I like this. We're both the future and the past. We've got a wood grain back, but we hey, we have an AI button for you. What is more 2025 than that? Yes, right. It's everything and the kitchen sink.

The new OnePlus 13T is now officially available in China armed with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite processor, a gigantic 6,260 milliamps silicon carbon, by the way, battery, and a large 4,400 square millimeter vapor chamber for cooling.

So this 6.32 inch device is thin as well at 8.2 millimeters thickness with a 120 Hertz AMOLED display and up to 16 gigabytes of LPDDR5X RAM. Lots of RAM. OnePlus's signature alert slider is unfortunately now gone, but it is replaced by a dedicated action button for

For things like the flashlight, do not disturb and camera access. The phone starts at 3,399 yuan. That's approximately 470 USD. And OnePlus is expected to release the 13T globally in the coming months.

Yeah, this is usually how they do it. They release first in the Chinese market and then usually a couple of months later, they end up widening it out to a more global release. So we will almost certainly see the 13 T, um, offered, you know, here and elsewhere that dedicated action button. I mean, it was there, you know, they're, uh,

the nothing phone that came out the, what was it? The three a, I think I'm getting my version numbers mixed up, but it has, you know, a similar button that ties into AI features. And I do wonder, you know, if this is going to do that as well, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 2025, the year of the dedicated button, one plus roll the,

Sorry, nothing. It's like we were there last year. What's old is new again. That's just the way it goes. That battery is impressive, though, for being so big. Sorry. Yeah. Silicon carbon. Yeah. I mean, that's OnePlus really leaning into the silicon carbon battery thing. It's worked for them on the watch. And so they're doing it on the smartphone, too.

Volkswagen of America and Uber have announced a long-term partnership to launch a commercial robo-taxi service in the U.S. using autonomous all-electric VW ID Buzz micro buses. The new service will debut in L.A. and Los Angeles by late 2026.

Human safety operators initially in place and then full driverless operations expected by 2027. All of this, of course, is pending regulatory approval. Volkswagen's autonomous mobility subsidiary, ADMT, will oversee the rollout.

Well, I see your Volkswagen and Uber robotaxi and I raise you a Tesla robotaxi. Tesla has begun testing its FSD supervised ride hailing service with employees in Austin, Texas and the San Francisco Bay Area. This is a key step toward the company's planned launch of its robotaxi service this summer.

These tests use existing models or Tesla models like the Model 3 equipped with passenger screens and emergency stop buttons. A safety driver will be present as well. Tesla plans to launch 10 to 20 robotaxis in Austin in June to kick things off. Yeah, I was going to say 2025, the year of the robotaxi, but I think it's kind of like it's like five years, right? It's taken so long to get to these points as little baby steps. But yeah, it seems to be widening a little bit at this point.

And then finally, Perplexity has launched its voice assistant in the iOS app following a delay that was caused by Apple's permissions requirements. The new feature lets iOS users interact with the assistant through conversational voice commands, as you might expect.

And you can continue speaking to it even after leaving the app. So I'm curious to see how that works on iOS. However, the iOS version does lack some features that are available on Android, such as screen sharing, camera access, and alarm setting, though you do get tasks like setting reminders, booking restaurant reservations, though you still have to confirm at the end stage, playing media, composing emails, that sort of stuff.

All right. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper in the ongoing stories and follow up. So, you know, Tom recently returned from his trip to Japan, had a lot of fun there. One topic that came up a lot apparently was the differing culture of toilet tech. And Tom spoke with Sean Hollister about some of what they saw while they were there traveling. Sean, thanks again for joining me to talk about toilets. Oh my, I can't wait.

I feel like you're not alone. There's a lot of people are from outside of Japan, fascinated with the toilets in Japan. I think most famously because they all have the washlet, the spray, the bidet function built in. That's very common in hotels of all levels, not just luxury hotels. I found it rather surprising that they had it in the train station toilet. When I think train station toilet, I don't think fancy. And yet...

I went into the train station to go to the bathroom and there it was, the full Japanese toilet experience. When I first came to Japan 20 years ago, there were total washlets, but there were also still plenty of squat over them toilets, the traditional Japanese toilet, the old fashioned one. And now...

The total washlet is this ubiquitous symbol of hospitality everywhere you go in every single bathroom that I think I've been to here. I did see one knockoff, but the same idea. And they are so fantastic.

fancy now. I must have tried eight different varieties from the basic one that has your buttons on the seat controls, but still has butt washing and bidet functions and heated seat all the way up to... We went to this little cafe where...

where we went into this fancy bathroom and this toilet, when we walked in the door, it opened up its lid for us. It started, it started playing a little bit of music. When we finished, it closed the lid automatically. There were buttons on the wall to open both its lid and its, and its, and its secondary, you know, seat pan. So you can, you can get in there with, if you're standing up, you don't have to touch anything. It flushed automatically and walked away. And I mean, I figured that's fairly common for, you know, US automatic toilets. We got that here, but, but just

Close the seat before it does so, so that no spray ejects the bowl. Beautifully heated before you get there. And in the homestay we did, we did an Airbnb. It's networked. So there's this little panel on the wall that you use to control the toilet, do all its functions.

When you flush it using one of the wall buttons, it automatically starts up the vents to eject your smell or whatever. Automatically turns those off. It knows when to heat by the time your butt is on the toilet. It's already warm for you. How do they do that? The toilet seat is never cold in Japan. Ever. I don't understand this. I mean, maybe it goes into a power saving mode when you leave the entire house. There must be some kind of smart home sensor here.

It's amazing. Yeah. I want a Toto washlet. This is my number one takeaway. I'm going to have to get one of these. I know they're very expensive. And if anyone doesn't quite know what we're talking about, it's got a spray to, like Sean said, clean your butt. It's got a bidet function. Sometimes they have a dryer function as well to dry yourself afterwards and a flush cleanser.

On the control panel, seat temperature, adjustment for the level of the spray. You can have a nice gentle spray or a more aggressive spray. Am I missing anything? Oh, the sprays. You can set the sprays to pulsate. Ah, right.

You can change the temperature of the water coming out of the sprays. It can be hotter or cooler. Everything to your liking. Some of them will do like sounds if you want. I saw less of that this time, I want to say though. Yeah, when I came here 20 years ago, one of the things that we studied in the Japanese language and culture program was this relatively recent phenomenon of people apparently being a little bit embarrassed by

their own bodily function sounds. And so there would be a button you could press to make sounds that people would hear a jingle instead of your bodily function. Yeah. I see as many of those this time. So I wonder if maybe the embarrassment has left. The embarrassment never leaves. I can't believe that. There is technology in homes beyond toilets. Like you said, you stayed in an Airbnb. We rented a kind of a condo place in Lake Kawaguchiko and we were puzzled

one morning to find that there was no hot water. No hot water. Yes. The previous evening, being a responsible citizen, I noticed a button that to my eye said 24 hour vent. And I noticed that the vent in the bathroom was constantly running. I was like, okay, that's using, that's using too much power, right? Let me turn that off. And so the next day I got blamed for the

There being no hot water. Tom went around to, I think he went around to every panel in the house with Google Translate, aimed at a thing and found one in the kitchen that was mysteriously not lit at all. It really wasn't the Google Translate. It was the fact that it was off. And that one had caught my eye the day before because it had a nice bright blue and red LED with the number 41 and CO2 by it.

And I thought, huh, is that some level of carbon dioxide? Is that like a carbon monoxide monitor? Maybe I'm misreading it, but it was off. So I used the Google Translate to figure out how to turn it back on. And when he did, I saw the katakana letters for gasu. It's like gas. Oh, and then that little flame popped up, little flame icon popped up on it. And within about

five minutes, maybe less, we turned on the sink and there was hot water again. Yeah, that was the crazy part is we thought, oh, this is going to take a while since it was off. It's going to have to take a while to reheat, but it reheated immediately. There was no having to go find it and mess with pilot lights. It just turned itself on. I also discovered...

that there was a remote bathtub turn on function because my wife said the water just started coming out of the bathtub when I was messing with that panel. It sure did. Yeah, he hit the G-Doll button for that. But the entire bathroom, oh my goodness. In addition to the total washroom, I want a Japanese bathroom. The bathroom is actually for the bathing. It's not, the toilet's always in a little separate room, even in the little tiny Airbnb, even in the tiniest hotel that we're in here in Kyoto.

It's a separate room, which is completely waterproof. It'll have a shower of some sort, and you can aim it in any which direction without worrying about getting leaking on the floor. Because when you go into the bathroom, you close the door, which has rubber seals all around it, as well as a nice automatic vent so you don't get too steamed up in there. And then there's usually a floor that slopes diagonally toward a drain that you can stand on and shower in.

With that water spraying in any direction without worrying about it, the tap in there for the shower head and the bathtub had a faucet that could swing around to the left if you wanted to fill the bucket or swing around the right to go to the tub. It had an indicator on the dial to get

the perfect temperature dialed in. If you wanted to go past the perfect, nice, hot temperature to something more scalding, you would have to press a little button first to indicate that you're an adult, you're not a kid messing around with the dial. So it was protected. All we had to do was turn the dial as far as it would go before it would click. And there was perfectly hot water at the exact right temperature for a bath coming out of the tap instantly. And I love that separate design, which I've seen in the US too, but that separate design is absolutely

everywhere here where the temperature is separate from the water. So you're not turning the water towards hot to turn it on. Once you find that right temperature in the shower, you can just leave it there and it'll always be the right temperature. And then you turn the water on and off. There is technology outside of the bathroom.

In Japan. One thing that I noticed in that condo we stayed in was a projector because it was a small room, but it gave you that huge screen that a projector gives. And they had built HDMI into the wall. So you could just plug your phone or your laptop or whatever HDMI source into the wall and it would route it up to the projector for you, which again,

Not a crazy thing that you couldn't do anywhere else, but it was just kind of a standard feature. This wasn't a luxury condominium. Yeah, we saw pop out pollen filters on the walls almost every place we've been in. Just it looked like this kind of a domed pyramid almost.

hanging on the wall and said, what is this thing? And you push on it and it just pops out. And it turned out to be some kind of allergen filter that was just, again, in several of the places we stayed, regardless of how expensive or cheap they were. A lot of stuff you could do with apps and QR codes too, you know, to do remote control of things. Again, to me, it's not

that any of this was stunning. Well, maybe the toilets are, but most of it was not stunning that it could exist, but that it was much more common and much more considered like, oh, this isn't a high-end feature. This is just, you know, your basic living arrangement. Light switches on the walls that have an LED in them so that whenever the switches are off, it's there for you. I have installed switches like this in my home, smart home switches, and they've added that feature. But to just be, to walk into this place and be like,

I always know where all the light switches are. Super nice. Let's finish on toilets again since that's where we started. I like that often toilet separate from shower. Not in hotels, but in the condo we had, the toilets were all separate so that if somebody needed, and when I say separate, I don't mean in the same room, like an entirely separate room to go to the toilet.

When you've got a group like we did, especially, you know, you've got a couple of kids who are going to need to be in there, a couple of folks. You don't know how long any person is going to take. Somebody else might want to brush their teeth. They can go and do that without worrying about necessarily intruding on the toilet. One last piece of technology. I don't know if you've got another one. Let me know. But the door key system, this is fairly common in other countries as well. But the door key system where you just punch in a code so you don't have to share keys. You just tell everybody the code.

And if it were compromised and somebody overheard the code, you just change the code and then tell everybody the new code. So you never had to be like, do you have your key? Oh, can I get the key? Everybody just knew the code and could come and go as they please. They automatically keyed it to the last four digits of my phone number. So I didn't even have to tell everybody. And when we got to the places in Kawaguchiko, just, hey, what's the last four digits of Sean's phone number? We could all get into the apartments and hang out.

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And we end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Yesterday, we were talking, or rather Tom and the gang were talking about the EC's fine against Apple. Part of that fine was for Apple charging developers too much to link out to their own payment systems. And Jen was wondering why the EC didn't say what the right amount would be. And this reminded Tim, who wrote in, of something. Tim posted on Patreon,

You can charge some amount, but what you charge is too much without telling you what percentage price would not be excessive is something that would be extremely familiar to anyone who has dealt with auditors in the business world, both IT and financial auditors, lest anyone think that they're just picking on Apple slash Facebook. I still vividly remember this exchange with IT cybersecurity auditors at one of my first jobs.

auditor you have too many it employees who have root access my manager how many would be an appropriate number auditor we don't know but you have too many i think what comes to mind for for me on this is one of the greatest films of all time office space yeah if you if if the requirement if you want me to be wearing 37 pieces of flare then make the requirement 37 pieces of flare

Kind of the same thing. Very much so. I don't know. Yes. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. I would absolutely agree with that. Just, yeah, give me a target to shoot for. Always a good thing. Well, what are you thinking about? Have some insight into a story? Well, share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com.

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