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IT is IT is good to see you and know we've got to watch to talk about that. I can not wait. So I I guess I got some questions and I guess .

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So let's get into some of these bigger tech stories we're going to talk about, starting with the social media platform. X is rolling out its controversial update to the block feature, which will now allow users you've block to see your public post. Block users can still, still can't follow the person who has blocked them, engage with their posts or send direct messages to them.

They can, however, now see the following, following and follows list of people who have blocked them. X set. The logic behind the change was that the block feature can be used to share in high and harmful and private information about someone and is now its new inertion would result in more transparency to where do you fall on this block feature you think this is a good idea or what are you does not put words into your my.

you know, at first gLance, IT almost seems like a reasonable change, because IT is so easy to get run a block that you can almost say, well, kind of make sense that they basically making this more transparent. But you know, you only to think about for a few seconds to realize that that's that's not really what's really happening here.

I'm very much with Tracy child on EXO said that basically why would you make IT easier for someone to get around a block? But the basically making this so that you no longer have to go on to cognitive tab or you no longer need to log out in order to see some as cotton. That's black.

you. And so if you are someone who's stealing someone else is content. If you are someone who who's harassing someone, it's just so much easy now for you to copy and past their stuff and post to yourself, or to take a screen grab and and reposted if you want to ask them.

And I don't know why you would make IT easier. Why would you make this change without proposing a change that makes IT easier, makes you more secure? That just doesn't make sense for me.

You know, the conspiratorial theory in me just feels like this is maybe a way for x to boost their metrics. H, which must be declined right now. Certainly, this is going to make a lot more post more visible .

than they would be others. Ze, yeah, I understand the words that they're saying that they are using when they say, well, this is why doing IT IT just doesn't make any sense if if you have a big giant social mini platform has hundreds of millions of people on IT and there's a few that you just don't rock with things like I don't want to do with you at all and I block you.

I don't want you to be easy for you to continue to do this stuff that you've been knowing um I understand that well, I could just go in a canal molecular new account and I can go and I can at least see who you are and see what you're posting. I get that but IT should never be easier to not be creepy in this case that I believe that would trying to. So yeah, so it's really interesting to me to where they would ve done this.

I almost wonder pulling my conspiracy head on. Is this just something that, you know, what can I do to get under a certain segment of my user skin? I know i'm being really facias when I say, but really is like I just I almost wonder, are you're doing this just to earth people that, you know, we're gone to be bothered by IT because people are gonna to fashioned, you know, one group is gonna absolutely for this. Another group going to be absolutely against IT. And as you say, tim IT may just make more, more content people are going to be talking about, which ultimately will drive up numbers for for x.

And certainly, there's someone on eggs who has probably more blocked in anybody else on x in that person in particular would want to have more engagement on their the post in that person would be the one who can absolutely make this change go through. So ah there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical about the reasoning behind this. And so it's pretty hard these days, I think, to not look at all these changes in the skeptical light.

So yeah, I think you're absolutely um that is at least to build perception. X obviously doesn't care what public perception is at this point. There haven't make these changes regardless. Um but at the end of day, we're talking about a legitimate safe issue for people um and for creators are particularly strong issue when IT comes to their content being copied and to make the changes like this that makes IT easier for people to copy work or to her ash again without implementing anything else that that is a road block really bump is really fortunate.

Now there may be some questions that um the x have to answer answer because apple's apps store says that apps with user generation content must have the ability to block abusive users from the service. Google has something similar with interaction with specific users. For example, direct messaging, tagging, mentioning ing extra must provide an internet functionality for blocking users.

So I wonder if this is going to meet their definition of block. And clearly, you can still block. And as the article says, when you block someone, they cannot interact with you, they cannot, dm, you, they cannot, they can't comment on your post, they can't do those kind of things, but they can still see them.

Does that meet the criteria for what google and apple say? Our blocks as far as there, is there a their ecosystems, their stores are concerned. I think that is a discussion maybe for another day.

Yeah for sure. If anything, I would like to see apple and google update those terms to be a little bit more specific and a little bit more strict and then force you know the hand of social look like this to do Better and don't be great thing.

Yeah so likes IT for me personally um I am not a big user of x and I longer IT IT has been a it's probably been like a two years think where i've got not over the point now I still keep my cell phone there, still having account in case anyone wants to the m my just because i've been on x for so long you know before it's twitter for so long and I wouldn't want to have people who only can contact me that way, not be able to, but it's party rare personally that I am even I I I only check IT any longer.

It's only if I get an a fiction that I have A D M, that I even go back and look at the platform. So um maybe this will create more you know more people. Maybe it'll bring people like me back and I don't know that the case for me personally, but we soon we will see yeah i'm .

pretty much the same boat myself and more less moves most my interactions to blue sky threats to even ask him, I see a lot of engagement on there as well. So it's what i'm doing my social ministry ff, these days. But onesta in general, i'm just going a lot less of that overall. And I used to I don't think that's is really bad thing.

So moving from social media and ask, let's move into driving vehicles because I i've been waiting to have this conversation with you in an interview with the virgins. Neil patel, bair, gm, senior VP, sofa and services, product management, programme management and design so long when explain the car companies recent decision to drop apple car play and android auto from gms future evs, the need to create a unified U.

X, and a comment, things as desperate as audio play back to monitoring a trail, your truck as pulling lends itself the vertically integrating the hardware and software in house and offer our unified experience. Let's still tailor to the vehicle bears encourages partners like apple, google, emma's on is sponsible y ed to share some piece of the information that can be access outside their world garden to allow for the same experience from vehicle to vehicle. So tim, my god, said i've been waiting to talk to about this is just a good thing for this is a good thing for jim to be this on their evs because I I think IT doesn't sense in some ways, but I D know there. This will be a lot of folks who are really in the car player, who really, in android out there, are gonna real myth that they can use the system they've been using for the last ten, twelve years.

For sure, the vast majority people that I talk to will not buy a car that doesn't not support either and order or at a car play, depending on which smartphone platform they've chosen. And so for that reason alone, I have a hard time thinking that this is really a good move for G. M, especially as they're really struggling to get momentum behind their EV sales if that so many issues I was delays.

Um and then to further put another road block up ahead of adoption for these these cars that are really important in the future of the business. Um IT seems short sited to me, especially when IT is so easy for them to do whatever they want to do on the top front while also offering smart from projection. It's such a trivial thing to implant in a car of these days that it's really just kind of a an ethical, religious, almost choice that y've decided to make.

They decided to draw line in the sand. They're not going to cross IT the reasoning that he this year is pretty of the same that we being heard from you from other people like tesla, like Riley ant um basically that they want to control the experience. Of course, that makes sense.

The dashboard is it's really the part of the car that you see the most if you're driving your car. And so they want to make sure that you're providing a clean, seamless go here of experience. But for decades now, many factories are proven that they're not really very good at doing that.

Uh, and so smart from projection, that's why that exists. And in general, people are not happy you're using car play or and all the vast majority of the interfaces. I think kind of funny thing about this is the G M solution is android.

Basically, IT is an android interfaces. IT looks a lot like you're using any old android tablet. IT is very friendly skin, and you can pretty quickly and easily see the google going on behind them.

So for them to say that android automotive or or under auto, excuse me, is not okay, but android automotive is okay is a bit curious. But really, the other side of this that I thought was really optimistic was, as he said, barris really hoping that they can open doors to more information being shared from apps. So for example, your pond cast preferences that anything would be able to be shared with the car.

So is living within your podcast APP. We've been dealing with the APP store for, you know, fifteen years and of course, application development. Has been going on for a lot longer than that.

And I still have apps that don't support niit mode, for example. But but he is optimistically thinking that G M can force all these, that manufacturer to share all the mediated with them in the car, which I think is unfortunately just just very optimistic. So as a such a decision, there's no reason for them do not offer both if they can prove they can do Better, great than they can turn off. But they have not yet proven that in my, in my both .

yeah I remember uh, back in the day that I ve only ever owned G M. Vehicles of my family. Many of my family means work for G, M.

So just the discount you could get and the fact that everybody that I knew had a gm car made getting A G M car easier. But I do remember that, you know, even on the higher and lucky y cds, IT took forever for G M. To introduce blue tube in.

The reason that they did is because, well, we've got this on star. And we would rather instead of you using your phone that you have to pay for to make phone calls, we want you to use a completely separate phone number that you pay us for to make phone calls in a, in a not optimal way. And they fought truth in nail to not have lue tof in cars until so many people.

I just want buy a car. If I can give blue finit that they finally did. I believe I was like two two thousand nine or two thousand and ten.

This kind of reminds me of that to where, like, you know, the reason that car play and and you know in android auto, the reason that they are so popular is because their software companies that build software and they interact and keep getting Better and Better and Better and Better with IT and U. S. Car companies.

You put a car out in which you get pretty much which you got and IT doesn't really get Better. You don't update. I know on evs that maybe a little bit different, but that has been the history of of of the companies like jim that we've known is like you know, the of are you get the software that you have.

I have cds in cars with maps on them from two thousand and nine because it's like why why I want to upgrade that when I can just use my phone. So I I understand the point that they are making that if you want to have the best integration we've got to do IT, I don't disagree with that. I just wonder, is this the right application to do IT with? I'm not so certain. Yeah.

i'm not another it's also interesting to me see different manufacturer taking different approaches to this. We see art line stands on one side from riviere, teslin and A G M. As well. Other side, we have manufactured res like portion who are actually opening things up to even more for smart phone factories.

So the next generation of corporate in next generation portions, curly, what I should be able to run in the gage cluster, even to have access to data from the car, as so you can have things like speed, read out information within apple car play and other features. Mujuru, a fact from within car play. So instead of basically trying to pull the smartphone stuff into the the dashboard, into the porch experience, they're basically pushing porsha stuff into the apple experience, which I think is a really interesting move in the opposite direction.

And I think that's really embracing the things that people want. Other cars. Of course, if you're an android user that does not like going to helping too much.

Um but again, it's it's a sign that manufacturer don't really know what people want, don't really know what the right way forward is. I think my answer is, is soft. We should give everybody everything that they want. And you ouldn't really dislocated or on anything, because it's all code sh. You can do anything you want to work.

If I had to play prod investigator and just be a betting person, I would bet that within a few years, James going to do what they do, what you're going to bail out to plug your own in and get that up. I am struggling to see a world to where I can just foresee there being such a revolt, uh, from people who are completely happy with their cars, but they are not happy with their entertainments.

M like, if I can get what I want, i'll just get something else. Because cars pretty much do the same thing. They go forwards, backwards, turn left and right. That's pretty much with cars do.

So when you start getting into the software pieces of them, people might make a decision based off of while like this software more therefore, are you want to get back here. And jim does not want people deciding whether not they get their car or not based off of software that their car runs. That's probably not a tenable position for .

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Imagine being a student right now, you're twenty twenty four the year without access to wifi, it's a disadvantage.

Millions of households actually still don't have wifi.

So I was reading about what A T is doing and pretty incredible. What they are doing is equipped twenty thousand students, so twenty thousand kids essentially in need with backpacks loaded with laptops and school supplies to get that connection. You've got this generation of kids that are gonna the the teachers, doctors, health care workers.

Ed der mas mala is his name of friends of the children in seattle. It's a charity that eighteen and t teamed up with. He has a quote and he he says, every backpack and laptop provided by our generous partners isn't just a gift, it's a lifeline. He says these tools lay the foundation for our youth, ensuring they have the same opportunities to learn, grow and succeed as anyone else.

So it's important connecting changes. Everything is .

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So we're going to keep talking about cars in this story. We're going to talk about one of the more conditions aspects of evs are fire risk. Detractors on social media and you to make claims that evy battery technology makes fires more likely to happen and more difficult to put out.

But is this really true? I don't know from you, because you recently roll in article inside dv titled r evs really fie prone death trap. Can you walk us through? And just kind of let us know this is this fear and certain the and double, or should we be worried or we over, over exaggerating with the with the really in this situation.

I think something like something that people should be should be aware. But ultimately they, I think is important as ever in these things to look at the numbers and look at how realistic these things are. And of course, to be aware that there is so much I hate of four evs right now, all of the irrational, that thing like this that happens is going to be blown up.

So the end the day, ah yes, he is can cash fire. And the reason that, that happens is usually something that's called thermal running away, which is basically where the battery something happens in the battery. Either it's overhitting due to charging or this damage to the battery more likely that causes you to start gaining heat and heat more quickly than I can discharge through the barter cooling systems with all modern VS these days.

And so IT just continues to gain he and gain he into the can bus. And when he does catch fire, we've probably all seen footage of them. It's a pretty scary thing because IT is a big fire.

I can take a long time for those fires to distinguish. And if you know that happens to happen, why your cars in the garage, for example, that can definitely cause damage your home, if not cause you to burn down. That is a pretty scary thing.

Um and again, because evs are new and because there's a lot of people who have vested interest against them, there's a lot of publicity whenever those fires do happen. But there's been a ton of research has gone into E V fires looking into how likely they are to happen, the intensity, the damage caused by them. And far away, they are far less likely to cash fire than a typical gasoline power car. Uh, and because of that, they are simply far lower risk. I'm going to read some numbers because I want to make sure that I get them.

There was a twenty twenty to study in sweden that showed uh basically fires from uh, between four point four million few burning cars verse six hundred and eleven thousand EV in service did the math on all the fire and learn and found that there was a zero point zero zero four percent chance of a given EV cashing fire compared to a zero points zero eight percent of ice cars that basically order a magnitude more common for gasoline power car to catch fire than a barry power car um there is also a one in in norway that showed uh battery res between two thousand and six and twenty sixteen of ten year period. E, B fires made up less than five percent of overall vehicle fires in norway. So even if you correct for the number of evs, which is a lot in norway, remember there are about half of the overall driving population in way.

It's a significantly lower chance of having a fire in E. V. And interestingly, that number actually dropped significantly over that period. D, again, I was going from two thousand and sixty, twenty sixteen. So as got more modern as baty technology got Better, the fire risk drops substantially. And so modern evs which have active cooling and lots of other safety measures, built them to shut down any batteries that are damage um are much less likely to catch fire um but they can catch fire. Uh and certain ly, we saw a few um some news coming out of the recent hrk anes in florida or a few counts were emerged.

Salt water did cash fire interesting? Ly, they were exclusively they seem to be tesla in particular tesla model x is but even if you look at the thousands and thousands of cars that worse emerged during the flood, I think there was something like um a dozen that they catch fire. So that is again pretty worrying.

Um but out of the huge number cars that we're damaged during the hurray es, the numbers are overall very low. And I think the the most important thing to remember is that we all know that gasoline is explosive. We all not was very this is something that we kind of treat as kind of a day day occurrence.

There was a massive tanker explosion in nigeria just I think, just a week ago that killed one hundred and fifty people. Um that kind of thing happens quite regularly where gasoline burns, gasoline explodes. But because it's something that is something that we've all seen heard before, IT doesn't really even tend to make the news because it's just a stand of thing.

But again, because evs are new, because people are curious about them, any evy fire turns out to be a big, a big story, basically. And so again, evs can catch fire. IT is a real sic thing but is much less likely than you would think based on the kind of coverage who were saying.

Now I think maybe one of the things that could go to making people fearful of this is that the fires that you see for E. V, they look bad.

So they very hard to put out. And that's, I think, part of what needs to change in the response to these things. You we know if you get an a big crash, if you see a big crash up inside the road, you would just expect that your local emergency response would have something called jaws of life, which can cut the car open.

Back in eighties, that was a rare thing. But when those became, when those were invented, they very quickly spread across space with the county, so that just about everybody has them. But right now, most other departments ers don't have any special to equipment for dealing with E V fires.

There are there is new um new technologies and new equipment that can basically inject water directly into the battery pack to stop those EV far as much more quickly. But because again, these are new because E V doubt is low right now, a lot of departments SE don't have that yet. So I think if we can get some momentum behind bees, encourage our local, but just the response to have that equipment that we could ultimately reduce these far as pretty substantial. But as IT is right now, the only solution to a nevy fire is to dump a whole lot of water on IT for a long time until the finally british out.

So we try to make these shows as personal as possible. So I i've got this a personal question. I have a great uncles, eighty eighty seven years old, and he has made the decoration. You'll never catch him in an EV because in one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight, he had a battery on a tractor. They caught fire and damaged his tractor.

So in his mind, batteries in cars, even though every car he has owe since then, and every car he will own from that he ever owe from now until he don't, on our own cars, we have some type of battery and IT. Are evs safe? That that is the question. Are they are they as safe as cars that have twenty five thirty gallons of combustible flab, most flaming stuff that we've ever seen.

and actually safe and y're absolutely more safe? Certainly the battery that that come on him would have been to let acid battery there was just basically know a pilot of leds submerged and as if that things just to overheat, if that thing catches fire, there's nothing and there to stop that from. In a modern EV, each cell within a Better pack is terminally manages termly model.

Again, they all have active cooling systems that can ramp up if the barrier stressed, overheat. If they detect the issue, they can shut the barrier e down and disable the car before does cash fire. So IT really takes a pretty traumatic event to cause and E V two cash fire. So he has far more safety measures in an E, V, when IT comes to fire returns than he does in the traditional car. So anything, if he's worth about fire, I say he's much safer in an E, V, in a traditional gas.

A Fisher, okay, I want to tell them, T, M, say you're safe or tim said you're IT leads to safe as you would be in a car with an engine that also has a battery. The numbers .

don't like for sure. He's much safe.

So folks, we want to go over to the male bag, if you like, never send us a message. You can do so by sending a message. You feedback at daily. Take new showdown b the first one we're not going to get to is from Russell, who has some thoughts on a conversation last thursday with Justin Robert Young about what's happening in amazon and going back to work. Russell says one reason that companies may be calling people back to the office that when they built the officers in some locations, they got a significant tax and center.

Some of those assumptions around these incentives are that the companies were allow to bring a certain science population of employees into the community on a daily basis, which which fuel growth for other local businesses in the area. The people are not there. This is diminished specifically with amazon.

There could be a parity issue. They have a larger employee based in warehouses and working in distribution centers. They cannot work from home. So they may be trying to create a bit of baLance theirs. Actually that point .

that is yeah I certainly heard people saying, you know, that people are doing R T O staff to basically as as a way of doing layout s about having to officially do layout. It's an angle and I heard heard before in the mix mixed on the same. But that makes us understand .

a lot of these really big companies have you know buildings downtown that seek thousands of people. If they're not understand, absolutely could affect those downtown cems.

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