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Guaranteed to fit every time. eBay, things people love. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, April 17th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of those stories, and help each other understand. Today, Anthony Spadafora tells us about his experience ditching the laptop and more from your emails. That's right, I'm Jason Howell. And I'm Wynne Dwight Dowell. Let's start with what you need to know with the really big story.

I put that extra really in there just to emphasize the bigness. A federal judge found that Google abused its dominant position in key markets and online ads technology. Judge Leonie Brinkema, Brinkema, we'll find out later when someone corrects me, found that Google had violated competition laws in the ad markets for ad exchanges and ad sales.

This is all related to Google's ads business, obviously. These are technologies that actually helped websites sell ad space and determine the placement of ads across the web. Now, the judge cited Google's practice of tightly integrating its ad server, that's double click for publishers, with its ad exchange. That's called adverting.

And Burkima said this, quote, enabled the company to establish and protect its monopoly power in these two markets, end quote.

Brinkema did not, however, and this is important, find Google to be a monopolist in an illegal monopolist, let's say, in the market for tools that are used by advertisers to purchase display ads. This essentially means that Google isn't found guilty of dominating ads on the open web. So, yes, guilty with the tools behind the scenes, not found guilty in this case,

of how they were surfacing these ads across the open web, the web at large, because there are a lot of other ad markets surfacing web ads there as well. The court is going to consider penalties, which could include forcing Google to divest its ad technology business in part or in total. And just a few important things to note, and then we can kind of bat this around a little bit.

This is not a consumer facing ruling. I suppose if if the third part that Google was not found to be abusing their monopoly position in that of the display ads, if they were found guilty there, maybe that would have some sort of consumer facing impact. But the tools behind the scenes aren't things that just the general consumer is going to run into necessarily.

And also really important to understand is as you and I, when we were kind of talking with Tom Merritt about this prior to recording, because he certainly helped us form a little bit better of an understanding of this pretty complicated thing. This story is that a lot of times in situations like this, the Department of Justice, the DOJ is going to ask for the moon. They're going to come out and say,

Google, we really feel like in this case, the result should be Google has to get rid of its ad business in total. And the reality is that, you know, it's probably pretty unlikely that that's going to happen in total. It's not an impossibility, but it's probably going to be somewhere met in the middle, somewhere of finding some sort of restitution or, you know, some sort of an agreement between

that makes more sense than just upending Google's entire business. Because, I mean, this would be a pretty huge loss if Google had to get rid of that. But I'm curious to know what you think about this story. It's, I mean, it's definitely very confusing. And I think I've learned a bunch of things today. Again, thank you, Tom Merritt, about the fact that, you know, and as he explained to us, that being a monopoly isn't necessarily the illegal thing, which I think I even myself until about 10 minutes ago had that impression that there's a lot of,

that being a monopoly in itself is bad, but what is bad is like the practices. And it was so interesting just because I think it sounded like, you know, especially reading kind of up on this is that it seems like a lot of times when we have now circled around to Google and all these other big companies and monolithic practices,

it feels like, didn't they do the market thing, right? Wherein they became a attractive, you know, powerful resource for publishers and advertisers. And, you know, getting a lot of publishers, you know, on board means that they're very attractive to advertisers. And then when the advertisers flock in, that makes them more effective for publishers. And so you kind of think sometimes, well, isn't that what we're supposed to be doing? Putting ourselves in a position where we become desirable to whoever our customers are. But then what happens is then they abuse that to kind of reinforce that, you

loop of being attractive on both sides of like this ad sell. So, I mean, yeah, I agree. Like it's so interesting because I think, yeah, as normal people, we always wonder what's the impact of this on us. And then also like, obviously on Google, like we, I think we all know by now that Google's business, despite being a tech company is ads. So yeah, it, it,

I'm curious to see what the restitution would be and how that affects, impacts Google from here on out. Because it feels like, and this is maybe a naive reflection on my part, just as a normal average consumer in this regard, is that will this just have ripple effects down to their other businesses? Because I feel like it seems like a lot of what Google has done

you know, as a technology company, and even though they have this wide portfolio of like all sorts of different things, we talk about Android all the time, but you know, Chrome, cloud, all these different services, does it, it feels like it all eventually ends up being somewhere about ads and selling, you know, like, like, like it all kinds of ends up being ads. So it does feel like,

Interesting to see where this will turn out because it does feel like a huge loss for them, especially after the previous loss that they had with the DOJ. I don't know. Will this actually affect anything? Will they be, you know, actually remedy? Like what's the verb when you have to provide the remedy? They have to provide remedies. Will this actually be significant down the line with appeals? Like what will happen in the end, I guess, for us?

as consumers? I mean, for us, that's a real big question. And I mean, I think, you know, related to this story specifically, you know, the ad tech that's driving, you know, the case behind the scenes, obviously not going to impact you and I because we aren't, you know, directly working with those tools. And a lot of this is really behind the scenes. I think what I'm really curious about as far as like the impact to consumers is, you

everything in aggregate because, you know, time and time again, the last couple of years have really been and continue to be painted. You know, we're also going to talk about Meta and their court case here in a few minutes, but continue to be painted by this worldwide kind of view, this refreshed view, looking at technology companies like Alphabet, like Meta and looking at their business practices. And, you know, it's not just the U.S. that's saying, OK, wait a minute, let's take a step back.

You've gotten a little too big for your britches. We got to really drill in here and see. And what are the wider scale impacts of all of these things in aggregate? This is one aspect. And yes, it's big. You know, Google's ads business accounts for around 12%, I believe, of Alphabet's overall business, this aspect of it, the ad tech business anyways.

You know, so that's pretty significant for a company of Alphabet's size. But, you know, this isn't the only case that Google's facing right now. They also lost another antitrust case last year that had to do with abuse in its dominance in the search market, online, search ads, placement, that sort of stuff. You know, there the DOJ is calling for, you know, you've got to divest Chrome. And again, coming back to this, you know, and Tom, thank you for kind of pointing this out. They always kind of go for the moon.

And then, you know, likely to kind of end up somewhere in the middle. But as a user, I look at Google and the products that I've used, Android, Chrome, you know, interacting with ads on the web, let's say. And I see all these things. I'm like, wow, how could this not shape the product that I interact with in some way, shape or form? And I think ultimately that's kind of the point, too, of a case like this. You got to change your business strategy.

structure and how you approach these things in some way, shape or form. But how dramatic will that actually be? We don't know.

It feels inherently good that, as you said, that governments and different kind of regulating bodies are trying to crack down on what has been built up over several decades now of this kind of landscape that Google and other big tech companies, not to exclude anyone, have forged for themselves in our kind of modern tech life.

And it's just so interesting. Yeah, I just feel like the impacts are just a little too huge for just us mere mortals to like imagine about, to imagine about. But I can't help but feel like it's a positive thing. I think we can always nickel on whether the, on the correctness, on the...

tech savviness or the understanding of certain rulings of like more governing bodies over the impacts of everyday life and on actual tech of like these kind of decisions. But yeah, it's just, yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. But it is, I feel like a positive thing is what I meant to say. It was like, it is a positive thing. It feels like that we're kind of circling around these companies and asking for some kind of accountability and remedies to this very, you know, nice and beneficial landscape they have carved out for themselves for a few decades. So anyway. Yeah.

Yeah, indeed. Certainly more to be discussed here as we start to hear what those remedies actually are, those proposed remedies. So that's coming up somewhere in the near future. Well, we'll keep ourselves and you all posted.

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His legal team argued that TikTok, YouTube and other social media platforms are posing strong competition to the company. And internal emails demonstrated Meta executives expressing concerns over TikTok's rapid growth, along with questions about whether Meta's products sufficiently compete. Meanwhile, attorneys for Apple, Google and Snap have criticized Meta for presenting courtroom slides without adequately redacting confidential information.

Apple called these disclosures, quote, egregious, while Snap's attorney called that meta's, quote, cavalier approach and casual disregard for the privacy of other companies in the case.

Yeah, they're saying like, hey, you know, if this was you on the other side, you'd be upset too. And that might actually be the case. But yeah, I mean, when I think about kind of this case and my understanding around it, TikTok, man, TikTok is such a force. And I think it's, I don't know, I think it gives...

It gives short rift, if that is the saying that's coming to mind, to disregard the influence and impact of a social network like TikTok on the business of a company like Meta. And I feel like

Yeah. Once again, I feel like Meta has a strong case to be made there as far as that is concerned when you're talking about this topic of their market dominant position. I mean, it's not Meta alone on an island. It really does seem like they're facing some pretty strong competitive wins.

No, especially in this like short form content creation space. I think that's a very fair point. And we've, we've heard and talked about, and probably as individual consumers participated in this, like this battlefield, honestly, for the short form, you know, for short form video content. So for sure.

We'll see how that pans out. That case continues, I think, over the next week and a half, if I'm not mistaken, maybe even more. Discord has begun testing a new age verification system in the UK and Australia that requires some users to scan their faces or upload a photo ID in order to access sensitive content. This is, of course, a response to new regulations in those countries that require stronger online protections against adult or potentially harmful materials.

for minors that might access them. Discord emphasizes that both methods result in no data being retained by the company. Facial scans are processed locally on the user's device without uploading barometric, oh, sorry, biometric information.

Any government issued ID upload uploaded for that verification purpose is deleted immediately after it's processed. According to discord, artificial intelligence is used to determine whether users meet the age requirement and accounts found to be underage may be banned with an option to appeal. And, you know, some of the stuff that I was reading about this is like, okay, this is

If anything, this is a sign, potentially a sign of things to come. This is something that we will probably are likely to see more of from other companies. I just think that's so interesting because something like this, there's always that level. There's always like an assumption or an element of trust

you know, that companies and I get it. This this if you don't like this and this sounds icky to you, I totally get it. This 100 percent understanding on the outside, it sounds very icky and it all comes down to trust and your ability to either have insight onto how the company's practices and whether whether the thing that they claim on the outside of not keeping data of everything being local and no no actual data leaving that local space like that very sensitive data of your face or your child's face.

doesn't leave the, leave the, leave like that local space. And I just think it's so interesting. Like, you know, I feel like another case we talked about, maybe even just

with its preview or what's that? The snapshot feature. Like there's so much element of trust in here. Like how much do we trust companies to do the right thing? And as someone who works on the inside, sometimes I have absolutely no trust whatsoever in companies to do the right thing. But I just think that's interesting here is that we're going to continue to try to address certain concerns like this age verification, but then the ultimate solution is that concern has so much of an element of trust on the company's implementing it. Indeed.

Well, TikTok is launching a new feature called Footnotes, allowing select users to add relevant info and context to videos. The feature is similar to Community Notes on X and is aimed at crowdsourcing expertise on subjects so viewers can have a better understanding of the content they watch and more easily spot misinformation.

TikTok will continue to work with more than 20 accredited fact-checking organizations to adhere to its moderation policies. The feature is being tested in the U.S., and contributors can be users over the age of 18 with six months on the platform and no guideline violations.

Everybody got everybody has their community notes now. But I mean, TikTok doing it, I suppose, a little bit differently than some of the others doing this and keeping those fact check organizations still kind of involved and integrated. So, you know, I'm good with that. I like that. Into it.

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with 04 Mini offering a more affordable option, strong performance in similar areas. Both models allow for the ability to use and interpret images within the thinking process. So that's another big part of these new models and their capabilities. OpenAI is also launching, this is just another quick piece of related news, Codex.

CLI, a new coding agent for developers. They have plans to release a more powerful O3 Pro model as well sometime soon. I played around a little bit with O3. I'm actually feeding it some of my YouTube channel metrics and being like, what can you tell me about what I'm doing here? It's kind of impressive. I haven't done that with previous models, so I can't really compare it. But so far, it's looking pretty good.

Well, Xi'an and Timu announced they will raise prices for U.S. shoppers starting April 25th, 2025. A response to the new U.S. trade policy issued by the U.S. presidential administration.

So imported goods from China are set to include a 145% tariff beginning May 2nd, as well as the removal of the de minimis exemption, allowing goods under $800 to enter the country duty-free. Xi'an and Timu sites are using this deadline to convince U.S. buyers to, quote, shop now at today's rates ahead of the price increases. Shop now while things are still cheap because soon they will not be. Yes, please get it in while you can.

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Apple has released urgent software updates for iOS, Mac OS, iPad OS, TV OS, and Vision OS to patch two zero-day vulnerabilities that were actively exploited in pretty sophisticated attacks that targeted specific individuals anyways. One flaw was in the core audio system that allowed attackers to execute malicious code by processing a specially crafted audio.

audio file. The other enabled attackers with read and write access to bypass pointer authentication that's designed to prevent memory based attacks. There's no word on who is behind these attacks, but Google's threat analysis group, who happened to also be involved in the discovery of at least the core audio flaw, is suggesting possible links to state sponsored espionage, surveillance operations, that sort of stuff. Users are advised

to install the latest updates immediately. So you've had the warning. This actually legitimately freaked out my husband when he read the core audio story. And we don't use Apple products, but I think just the idea that this is possible. And so he actually turned off the mic and camera on our Nest Hub, which again is a Google product, not an Apple product. But I think this idea is just really frightening.

because of the examples that they show of like what they can actually do with just an audio file that you might not even know is happening or is being played. So, and sometimes nothing feels safe. Take it all back. I changed my mind.

Yes. Patreon is launching the ability to live stream content directly on the platform. This gives its creators an alternative to external services like Twitch or YouTube. Live streams are ad-free, can be run from mobile or desktop, are downloadable after the fact, and include features like real-time chat, moderation tools, emoji reactions, and integrations with streaming software like OBS and Streamlabs.

The new tool is currently in early access for select creators and will roll out more widely this summer.

Kind of surprised Patreon didn't already have this, but I think it's a good thing to add to the tool set. Creators, you know, love to live stream. We are definitely some of them. But then now it's like, okay, well, now I got to figure out, does it make sense to live stream to yet another platform? I guess we'll find out. Yeah. Well, those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper in the ongoing stories and follow up.

Anthony Spadafora from Tom's Guide recently wrote that he ditched his laptop in favor of a mini PC, AR glasses and a portable battery. Tom sat down with him to get the details. Anthony, it's good to have you back. We crossed paths at CES and it took too long, but it's good to talk to you, man.

Oh, yeah, absolutely. So why did you try this mini PC, X-Reel glasses and battery thing instead of just sticking with a laptop? What motivated you here? I work from home and, you know, I'm a big desktop person myself. So I really stick to my desk and my, you know, you know, using a full size computer. So, yeah.

I rarely use a laptop. And when, you know, when I do like a CES, you know, I usually end up bringing, you know, a mouse, a mechanical keyboard, a portable monitor. So I have all this extra gear. So I'm looking for ways to kind of cut down on what I bring through airport security. You're not one of those people who can use a tablet to do everything, it sounds like, which neither am I. I know some people like that, but it's too confined. It's too constricting.

Exactly. Yeah. So walk us through. There's a great article on Tom's Guide that people should look at to get the full details. But give us the summary of what gear you used. OK, yeah. So I've always been into mini PCs and I started reviewing them and looking at them more closely last year. And one of the most interesting ones I tried out was the Coddus Mind.

And what's neat about it is it's, you know, instead of, you know, like a cube shape like your typical mini PC, it looks more like a portable hard drive. And it's the only one I've tested so far that you can power, you know, via USB-C. So form factor is a little more portable because it's flatter, right? And then the power situation, that's great. Yeah, the power situation is great. So, you know, I mean, they have a few docks. You can drop it on a dock magnetically if, you know, you need more ports or whatever.

You know, you need to use multiple displays. But, you know, for this project, I realized like this is the only mini PC I could power off of, you know, a power bank. Yeah. So power bank makes sense to me because you probably already had a power bank you would use with a laptop, right? Yeah. So, you know, a large size power bank. And I made sure to get one that was under 25,000 milliamp hours so I could bring it on a plane. And then what led you to plug in the glasses and why did you settle on the X-Real ones? Oh.

Yeah, so I'm always looking at new tech. I'm trying out new stuff every week. And I was thinking about trying out maybe the MetaQuest 3 or VR headset.

And, you know, my my colleague, Jason England, he's really into the AR glasses. So he suggested those instead and was like, oh, you got to try the X-Real ones. So he set me up with X-Real and I reached out to Cotas and got all the different products I needed for this setup. And the X-Real glasses, they're they're really just acting as a display for you. Right. Are you using them for anything else?

Exactly. They're just a display. They don't have their own battery. They're powered by the device you plug them into. But with the X-Rail Ones, they have a dedicated spatial chip

So yeah, X-Reel's X1 chip. So, you know, for things like, you know, how you're tracked, how things move, you know, when you're wearing the glasses, you can do all that with a button right on the side. All right. So you've got X-Reel giving you the like virtual huge screens, but you don't have to carry the monitor around. I get that. You've got the power bank. You've got the Codis mini PC, everything.

How does this work in practice? Like, how do you arrange this around yourself? Yeah, so it's a lot easier than I thought it would be. You know, I just, you know, I always bring, you know, a small mechanical keyboard and a Bluetooth trackball mouse. So I always bring those with me. So it's okay, let me add those. So I have those set up on, you know, the table or wherever I'm working. I have the mini PC plugged into the power bank.

You know, and it's one USB-C port. And then I have the X-Ray ones plugged into the other one. So the space on the table seems like the big savings here, right? You don't, you just have the keyboard, which you would have had anyway. You don't have to have the laptop. You don't have to have the screen up. The screen can be wherever you want it. Were there any other advantages that you found to using it this way?

Yeah. So, you know, uh, actually before I wrote this article, uh, you know, two weeks ago I was in New York for the Nintendo switch, uh, experience. And I actually brought the whole setup with me and, you know, on the way there, I set it up on the tray table of the airplane. Did you get any looks? Uh,

No, I thought I would get more, but everybody seemed kind of, you know, sleeping or, you know, doing their own thing. So I guess they just don't notice that you don't have a screen. They see a keyboard and like, OK, that guy's working. And then you have glasses on. Do you ever get anybody asking you about it while you're using it? This one, not so much yet. You know, I kind of just went to the cafe real quick to take the pictures for the article.

And I've been using it around home and in my hotel when I was in New York to write my hands on for the Switch 2. It seems like you like it, though, that you might keep on using it. Oh, I absolutely love it. It is just so nice. You know, because I already had my mechanical keyboard, my trackball mouse. So to have just a bigger screen, because with the extra one glasses, you can switch to an ultra wide mode. And the way that I do everything is I have, you know, one Chrome window on one side, one on the other.

So you don't have to switch back and forth between windows. Yeah. And they could be as big as you want them to be basically. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe it's 154 inches, but you can,

It's a massive screen. Yeah, more than you would probably need for a Chrome browser usually. That's amazing. I'm fascinated by this and I kind of want to try it. If people want to follow in your footsteps, do you have any advice? Yeah, so I used, you know, I reviewed the Mind 1 last year and, you know, I sent that back. So I reached out to Kodas and they sent me the Mind 2S, which is super powerful and probably overkill for most people. But you can get the Mind 1 for a lot cheaper right now.

And, um, to bring down the price too, you don't have to go with the extra ones. You could go with the, um, I think the Ares is, uh, you know, the previous version. So you could probably put the whole setup together for around, you know, 900 to a thousand dollars. Yeah. Which is, you know, you're talking cheap, thin and light laptop price for sure. Exactly. Yeah. Uh, any downsides you'd warn people about?

Ah, downsides. I mean, the only one I could think of is like, I guess you have to plug in stuff, right? With a laptop, you just flip it open and you're on your way. Yeah, you just flip it open and you're ready to go. Um...

Yeah, I mean, I think if you're used to working on a laptop, this might not, it might be a bit different for you. But if you're primarily a desktop user like myself, this kind of gives you that experience anywhere. Well, folks, you got to go read the article. Like I said, it's tomsguide.com. We'll have a link in our show notes as well. Anthony, if folks want to follow what you do, where should they go? Yeah, Tom's Guide. Yeah, that's where I have all my stuff. Fantastic. Thanks, man, for chatting with us. Yeah, thank you so much.

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So we reached out to both Bodhi and Steve Sheridan and found out that 1000-volt EV architecture provides several notable benefits compared to the more common 400-volt systems found in many electric vehicles today. The higher voltage allows for significantly faster charging, potentially up to two and a half times faster, assuming the charging infrastructure and the vehicle are designed to handle similar current levels.

current levels. In addition to speed, higher voltage systems can reduce the size and weight of onboard components such as wiring and power electronics, which can improve overall vehicle efficiency and performance. Currently, most EVs use the 400 volt systems, though some newer models are adopting 800 volt or higher platforms. Charging networks are beginning to support these higher voltages as well, but compatibility can vary.

So while voltage is a key factor in determining charging speed and system efficiency, it's not the only one. Current, amperage, battery design, and thermal management all play crucial roles as well. So while 1000-volt architecture has clear advantages, its real-world benefits depend on how the entire system is engineered.

Very interesting. A lot of benefits there. And I can get down with 2.5 times faster charging like that right there. I'm like, sign me up. Yeah. And this is really interesting because I think we're currently shopping for a new EV and so are a lot of my friends. And so we've been talking a lot in kind of our little group about, you know, what, you know, especially long term, like what are the benefits of different EVs? And I keep hearing my friend say, for one thing, his particular brand of EV is not that efficient.

And now I can kind of see, okay, this is what you're meaning. And it all kind of interconnects together because I think a lot of times, especially since EV is new tech, I have no idea how to judge. Not that I know how to judge like ICE cars very well, but it's just interesting. It's like a new like, you know, space for us to kind of exchange our anecdotal knowledge about our own EVs and try to relate that to actual decision-making. So cool. Yeah, a new place to grow our own understanding of how it all works. Absolutely. We're still in early days when it comes to EVs.

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