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This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, May 6th, 2025. We tell you what you need to know, follow up on the context of those stories, and help each other understand. At least we try. Today, Bodie Grimm's given us a little assist, telling us about the environmental impact of electric vehicles. A lot of debate around that. And Microsoft has some new slightly smaller Surface laptops. I'm Jason Howell. I'm Tom Merritt. Let's start with what you need to know with a big story.

Or maybe we should call it the slightly smaller story. Microsoft unleashed a slew of announcements this morning, a whole gaggle of them, beginning with a new, more compact 13-inch Surface laptop. This one starts at $899, and apologies, Microsoft.

incoming influx of specifications, but just so you know, it's powered by Qualcomm Snapdragon X plus eight core processor, 16 gigs RAM, 256 and 512 gig storage options. You get around 16 hours of battery life on that one.

Microsoft removed the Surface Connect charging port as well as Windows Hello facial recognition. That's in an effort to reduce the footprint of the device, lower the price of the laptop, of course. Users will have to use their fingerprint if they want to go biometric for access as a result.

And then there is another device. Microsoft also launched the Surface Pro 12 inch. This is a compact tablet that starts at $799, $799 in the US. Features the same processor, same RAM, same storage as the Surface laptop that I just mentioned. The 12 inch LCD display uses a 90 hertz refresh panel. There is no upgrade option to OLED if that's your preference. Sorry.

It does drop the surface connect charging port for two USB-C 3.2 ports. It adopts a fanless design. So that's kind of nice with a rounded chassis along with a redesigned flat keyboard. Apparently the previous keyboard had a little bit of a, like a slant to it. This one lays flat on the tabletop that sells separately for $149. And then the slim design,

pen, the surface slim pen doesn't mount into the device. It magnetically attaches and charges on the back of the device. And Microsoft has done some work to make sure that when it snaps there, it's not going to cut loose very easily if you like throw it in your backpack.

I think that remains to be seen how true that is. But both devices qualify as co-pilot plus PCs, thanks to the inclusion of that Snapdragon X plus chip. So you get recall, you get AI powered Windows search and a host of other AI related features are present there as well. So, OK, slightly smaller. What do you what do you think, Tom? I'm not really like invested in the surface technology world myself. I'm curious to know your thoughts.

Yeah. So half pound lighter for the 12 inch and I think like a third of a pound lighter for the 13 inch. So there's some weight concerns there that are pretty significant for people who are on the go a lot. I think it was, and Gadget pointed out that with current sales, which may or may be gone by the time you look,

The new Surface Pro 12-inch is the same price as the bigger one, which isn't going away. They're not discontinuing the previous ones. And the 13.8-inch Surface laptop is actually cheaper right now than this new, less well-specced-out Surface laptop. So I'm...

a little curious what the niche is here that they're serving, 'cause it's clearly not priced. There's not that much of a price difference with them. Maybe it's parts. Maybe the parts are cheaper to make so they can continue to make them for a longer time. Certainly though, they're a little bit smaller and lighter weight.

And maybe that's something they found in their data is that people were holding off because they wanted something like that. Microsoft's hardware is always a little bit of a weird strategy anyway, because they want competitors to make these kinds of laptops and hybrids themselves and compete with Microsoft. Microsoft calls these sort of reference designs, if you will.

Hmm. Yeah, that is interesting. I was looking into that as well to kind of like see what the previous generations were running. And I mean, it's the same on both sides, right? Like you're talking about the 2024 Surface laptop that's coming in at $799 right now. Same price if you go to Amazon and Best Buy right now. They're on sale at the moment. So who knows when those sales go away? Also, you know, how long does it take for Microsoft to start adjusting the prices when you're talking about the Surface Pro 12 inch laptop?

that's at 799 or sorry. Yeah, that's that's like legitimately at 799. Yeah. And matching matching what Microsoft is offering there. So it's a little puzzling now. Maybe it'll make sense, make more sense as things kind of

level out in the next month or two. I don't really follow how Microsoft does its pricing. I know when I'm talking about Google and their pixel prices, often it's kind of like this is what you're paying now. But the standing recommendation is wait a couple of months because guaranteed Google always drops the price a couple of hundred dollars through sales and stuff. And maybe it's just the same with Microsoft right now. It's confusing. In a couple of months, it'll make more sense. Yeah, probably. And maybe these larger models

do get discontinued once they move through the inventory or something like that, like you say. I think a lot of people are making a big deal over the fact that these are now USB-C charged instead of having the Surface Connect charging port. But that seems to be the way of the future. Some of it, I think, is just the fact that you can make a slimmer design. You can use USB-C. It's very reliable and people have the chargers. And it's definitely affected by the EU saying,

you need to have USB-C charging in your new devices. So they don't want to have to make different SKUs for Europe and the rest of the world. So that's a big part of it too. How do you feel about that? I kind of like it. I know I'd, I'd,

Some people don't like the fact that it's not shipping with a charger in the 12-inch case, and so you'll have to add that on. But if you already have a USB-C charger, you don't really need one. I mean, at the end of the day, I am swimming in cables and chargers and everything. Now, granted, this is part of my job is to manage and test and all sorts of things, all of these different hardware technologies. You're going to have more than the average person, bro.

I'm going to have more than the average person, but I would venture to expect that the majority of people, maybe it's not an overwhelming majority, but probably more than 50% of people already have what they need to charge when it comes to USB-C technology. And I'm all for standards that make things easier as far as charging is concerned.

Not you need this very particular specific thing in order to do it. So, although I'm don't forget, not all wall warts are created. Yeah, that's true. So you do, you do need more wattage, uh, for, for some of these, but, um, but yeah, I think, I think most people can deal with that. Um,

I love that USB-C can charge everything now and that we're finally moving into that world. And I'm finding fewer and fewer needs for USB-A. I'm actually finding that I end up putting these little Anker A to C adapters at the end of my USB-A cables so that they're always ready for USB-C and then I could just pop them off if I need to.

Yeah, very, very handy. I like that too. Um, but that's not all. No, real quick, just to mention Microsoft also announced a bunch of new features for windows 11 and copilot. I'd say too many to list them all, but there are a few standouts when I was poking through, there's an AI agent for finding and adjusting settings and windows 11, basically conversational voice entry for settings, uh,

- How do I do this kind of thing? - Yes, which I think is really great. I love that we're seeing that more in mobile devices and laptops. - If it works. - If it works, yeah, exactly. An expansion of Click To Do that includes Excel table conversions, drafting into Word, scheduling team meetings. That's kind of a new feature that they're opening up. A heavily leaked, apparently, redesign of the Start menu that includes all apps.

Because why not have all apps in your start menu? That makes sense to me. A photos relight feature for adding light sources and setting different focal points in your pictures and photos. And then a perfect screenshot, AI-driven screenshot cropping feature. You know, a bunch of AI features because this is the year 2025. Yeah. And they want you to buy a copilot PC the next time you buy a PC.

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All right, there's more we need to know today. Let's get to the briefs. Open AI is going to change its corporate structure. And you may say, well, that's not going to impact my life directly. But what they were and what they're going to be is helpful to understand why the company will do some things differently. So if you know this, like I said, it may not impact your daily life. But when Open AI makes a decision, you may go, oh, that's because of that thing that Tom explained to me on DTNS. So

First, here's where they come from. OpenAI was started as a nonprofit with the idea of making sure any super intelligent model was not in the control of a private enterprise. That limited investments though. And as more private companies came into the market, OpenAI created a subsidiary that was capped profit. That meant they could get investors now because they could make money back, but each investor could only make a hundred times its investment back.

So they got some investors like Microsoft on board, but still it was limited who would buy in. Some people would not invest because of that cap. So recently, OpenAI was planning to create a Foley for-profit company.

and spin it out of the non-profit parent company. The non-profit company would stay as a foundation, but it would be unrelated to the for-profit company. The idea would be that the non-profit would have a stake in the for-profit company, but just not control it, and therefore there would be no limits on investments.

Well, that's not what OpenAI has ended up doing. The for-profit company is still going to remove the cap on profits and become what's called a public benefit company or PBC. A PBC serves goals other than profit for investors, often environmental or social goals.

In this case, it's going to be the same mission as the original nonprofit, to benefit humanity, though the details have yet to be published. So we haven't seen exactly how they express that, but that's what they're saying the idea is. That was actually always the plan for this for-profit arm, but the change is that the nonprofit parent company, with its fiduciary duty to humanity instead of investors, will remain in control.

of the public benefit corporation, though we don't know how large its stake will be. This is very similar to what Mozilla does with Firefox. Firefox is a for-profit enterprise, but the Mozilla Foundation is a nonprofit that controls it. It's not exactly the same, but it's similar. OpenAI says it changed its mind after discussion with attorneys general in California and Delaware who would have needed to approve the restructuring.

OK, well, thank you for going through that, because that's that's definitely helpful for me, because this can be a little bit of a complicated spider web to follow along at this point. One thing that stands out for me, though, and I think it's hilarious, is the benefit humanity thing, which is, you know,

who, who defines and to serve what purpose. And the correlation that I can draw there is like AGI. It's like defined by whom and to serve what purpose they're both as cloudy as clear as mud. Well, and that's why I made a point of saying they have not yet published the, the terms, so to speak of what that means. So it'll be interesting to see how they express it. Uh,

But what I do think is significant is a regular corporation only has a fiduciary duty to its investors. So all it does is benefit the investors, whereas a public benefit company says, actually, no, the investors aren't the only concern. They are still a concern, but there are bigger concerns. And that way, if an investor tries to bring a lawsuit and say, you need to do this because it'll make me more money, a public benefit company can say, actually, no,

"We have to serve this other goal first," and it supersedes you. So like you say, the devil's in the details about how they describe those goals, but it does put other goals in front. And they were always going to do that with the for-profit company. The big news here is that the nonprofit will stay in control. We don't know how much of a stake it's gonna have in the PBC, but they did say it will stay in control. - Interesting. Definitely appreciate your walkthrough on that. Thank you.

Google posted, then deleted, a blog post showcasing Material 3 Expressive, one of its major announcements from the upcoming Google I/O Developer Conference that's going to take place a little bit later in this month on May 20th. The update is described as the "most researched UI update."

It saw 46 rounds of design changes over three years. Research, more than 18,000 participants were involved, apparently. The goal is to make Android's interface more visually appealing, engaging, and easier to use. So you can expect to see some bold colors, a variety of shapes and sizes, and lots of motion in the interface when it's officially announced.

The song that came to mind is Oops, Google Did It Again. They gave you a blog and leaked all the news. Ooh, baby, baby. Kids, ask your parents. No, that's really good. It looked rounder. That was my first impression. Rounder, yes. It continues to get rounder and pillier. Yeah, rounder and pillier is what I expect at Google I.O. on May 23rd.

Uh, Amazon updated its Kindle app for the iOS to include a new get book button. This, uh, comes after the recent court ruling in the Epic games versus Apple case. Uh,

preventing Apple from blocking external links to other payment methods. They weren't actually blocking them. They just put so many restrictions on them that a lot of them couldn't be done, or you still had to share 27% of your revenue. Apple's not doing that anymore. So you can now quickly buy an e-book by tapping a button, which takes you to an Amazon page to purchase it, and then it'll show up in your Kindle app, you know, like you would expect it to work. The book automatically syncs to the device once the purchase is complete.

That's like magic. That's amazing. Yeah, it only took a court case and an appeal and an injunction and an overrule and I don't know what else to make this happen. But hey, here we are.

and a decade's worth of work yeah uh timing youtube is testing a new premium subscription plan designed for two people and a pilot taking place in india france taiwan and hong kong currently anyways the price of the two-person plan sits as you might imagine between the individual and family tiers it resembles spotify's duo offering so it's really targeting pairs so couples roommates that sort of

I have a feeling it might. I wonder if this is targeting me, Jason.

because we have a two person and one dog household, and I saw nothing about dogs in here, so I assume it's just two humans. But we have a family plan which allows us to have more than two people, so we share our YouTube family plan with Eileen's sister. And then she gets the ad-free YouTube premium and such,

It's going to make us go like, huh, we could save some money by dropping her, making her pay for her own plan. I don't think we'll do that, but it will make us think about it. So certainly. Yeah.

Got a couple of self-driving vehicle stories for you. Aurora Innovation is out of the testing phase and claims it is now the first company to launch a commercial self-driving trucking service with heavy duty trucks on public roads in the US. If you're like, "Didn't they already say this?" Yes, for four years we've been covering them

with various tests. Now it's real. Now it's actually a commercial service. It's happening. It's happening. Aurora trucks are now carrying loads for Hirschbach Motor Lines and Uber Freight between Dallas and Houston, Texas. Company plans to expand to El Paso and Phoenix by the end of the year. Speaking of Uber...

Uber and China's WeRide will expand their autonomous taxi service to 15 additional cities over the next few years. The two companies already operate a ride-hailing service in Abu Dhabi and will soon launch in Dubai with plans to expand to Europe and elsewhere outside of China and the U.S. Uber handles the software that gets people their rides, and WeRide handles the autonomous vehicle tech that moves the cars around.

I feel like the auto taxi or the autonomous taxi thing is, man, every week there is a ton of news on this. It feels like it's, I don't know. It's rolling along. It's moving down the road. It's rolling along. Yes, it's smooth ride. Smooth ride for autonomous tax. Got its own momentum. Yeah.

Instacart is getting boozy with the launch of Fizz, a new app designed to make group ordering of drinks and snacks for parties easier. Also, it's very appealing to Gen Z users. Apparently, multiple users can add and pay for their own items in a single delivery for a flat $5 fee. The app integrates with event platform Partiful, linking orders to a single event invite.

as one example. Fizz also features a loyalty program called Snack Bucks, so you get discounts on your snacks, as you can imagine. Snack Bucks! Snack Bucks! This made me think of Drizzly, which DoorDash owns now, but the key here is being able to pay for your own items in a delivery that's coming to the place you're going, so you don't have to swing by the convenience store and pick up the beer. You just...

pay for it and have it delivered. And then people can criticize what beer you chose. That's true. Recent Roku OS update version 14.5 has caused widespread problems with HDR content.

on a number of Roku TVs. It seems to be mostly affecting TVs, not the Roku sticks or the Roku boxes, but it results in washed out colors. The issue first appeared on Disney Plus, and some people were saying it only affected Disney Plus, but other people reported, "Now it's happening to Netflix for me, or Apple TV Plus, or Prime Video, or YouTube TV."

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No, I saw somebody post a picture of Andor in the non washed out and in the washed out. And I'm like, yeah, that would be pretty annoying. Yeah, that looks like a bad Instagram filter was applied. You're waiting for the new episode. And this is what you get. Yeah, that would suck.

We told you just yesterday about a hacker accessing archived chat logs. TeleMessage, a spokesperson for TeleMessage's parent company, Smarsh, said, quote, out of an abundance of caution, all TeleMessage services have been temporarily suspended. The dream is over. Not a big shocker. I think the biggest news out of it here is that I didn't realize TeleMessage's parent company was Smarsh. Smarsh. Smarsh. It's fun to say. There you go. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper.

All right. EVs have low emissions, as you know, but there are other negative impacts on the environment along with that. Tom, you spoke with Bodhi Grim from the Kilowatt Podcast about how to get a full view of the environmental impact of electric vehicles.

Bodhi, thanks again for joining us, man. Thanks for having me back on, Tom. Yeah, so there are a lot of impacts from a vehicle on the environment. And I know a lot of people are familiar with the fact that an electric vehicle isn't going to have the emissions and all of that. And I think a lot of people talk about the disposal of them, but let's talk about the creation of them today. Yeah, for sure. So when you're driving an EV around...

It's more efficient than an ice car. However, like you said, when you are digging into the ground, there's no denying that there's an environmental impact when you're getting those raw materials. And then you have to process them and you have to transport them multiple times. So there's definitely an impact on that side. Who's responsible for that? Most of the work isn't done by the automakers themselves. Obviously, they rely on suppliers that specialize in things like mining, refining and manufacturing. Right.

And some automakers do a really good job at making sure that their supply chain is clean, ethical and sustainable. But others, maybe not so great. All right. So how do we keep track of this then?

Well, there is a coalition of organizations that lead the charge. Every year they put out a leaderboard of which automakers not only build the cleanest cars, but make sure that the materials come from clean sources, the workers are treated fairly, and the impact on the environment is minimal. And they evaluate 18 of the world's largest automakers.

So is this a name and shame kind of situation? No, they're actually very fair about this. And they, they, in some cases actually work with the organizations to, um,

clean up their supply chain. So like you said, it's not about calling people on the carpet. It's about being transparent and accountable. They take all of this data and it's a lot of data. You can read how they put this whole thing together. But the idea is to spotlight areas of improvement, but also to highlight when somebody does a good job.

I like this. I like the idea of saying, let's not just shout at people. Let's actually provide solutions to say like, hey, if we want to make this more efficient for everybody, if we want to make this less wasteful for everybody, here's how we do it. And let's call out not only people who can need improvement, we can help the people who need improvement, but let's call out the people who made improvements too. I like that a lot.

Yeah, they started this in 2023. So you can look back to 2023. But for 2025, when you look at the overall, like who led in the top three, for instance, for 2025, you're looking at Tesla's at the number one spot and then Ford and Mercedes-Benz.

But then if you're like, well, I want to know who did the best in terms of environmental performance. Yeah. You can. So you take out the worker stuff and the other considerations, just pure environment. Who did the best? Right. And that's Volvo, Tesla and Mercedes. OK. But but if you want to, if you care about the human rights, you can look and you'll see that Ford ranks highest in that category, followed by Tesla's. And again, Mercedes, Mercedes at a solid three. And this is all at lead the charge dot org. That's their website, right? That is their website. Yep. OK.

But it goes further than that because like I said, they collect a bunch of data. So if you want to know more about what a specific automaker is doing, then you could just click on that particular automaker and you'll see a summary, key findings. There's great visuals and graphs and charts. And then they make the information really easy to digest because there is a lot of it on there. And if they just wrote it out all in text, it would be my number. Yeah.

That's really cool. I like the fact that this is a source of information for people and it looks like a pretty comprehensive one to me.

Yeah, I think everybody can agree that we as much as possible, we would like to buy things that come from a clean supply chain, you know, treat their workers fair and it's a sustainable process. But to be honest with you, Tom, because this started, like I said, in 2023, I started interviewing the company in 2024 or the organization. And I thought we were much further along than we are when it comes to a clean supply chain.

But in reality, I was a little off. And you have one example of how lead the charge does have effects and how it can help a company change its processes to make it more efficient, make it less wasteful. And it involves a group that I think is very close to my heart. Tell me about this.

So there is a group called K-Pop for Planet. And there is a membership, and maybe you and Eileen will join, but it's 88,000 members strong.

That's a lot of people across 200 and some countries. I can't remember what it said on their website, but this is a big organization of K-pop fans. And it's across groups too. So if you're like, wait, I'm a LeSeraphim fan. Am I going to be allowed in here? Yeah, it doesn't really matter. You're in. Yep. They welcome everybody.

So this year when I interviewed the lead the charge folks, one of the folks that I talked to was Glenn Hurowitz, who is the founder of Mighty Earth. And he mentioned that Hyundai had an aluminum supplier that was they had some questionable behavior when it comes to land grabs, human rights, and they were just using a massive amount of coal. So Glenn and the team reached out to K-Pop for Planet.

And they actually showed up at the LA Auto Show. And then, you know, K-pop is, you know, South Korea, Hyundai, South Korea. Right. They actually put enough pressure where Hyundai said, you know what, we're going to stop using this supplier. And it's viewed as a success in the K-pop for planet world, as well as the lead the charge world.

Okay. So, so it's, uh, the very famous organizational prowess of, of K-pop fans, uh, using the leaderboard information, uh, to, to make some changes. It seems like a good change. Yeah. And, you know, to Hyundai's credit, they listened and they stopped using that supplier. If we need to get, if we, if we could just give that, that supplier a little bit of credit, according to a Reuters article, uh,

They are planning, and whether this was in the pipeline or not, I don't know, but they're planning now to build a hydro power plant for their aluminum smelter. So, you know, it's good all the way around. Yeah, yeah. So it's not just having Hyundai use a cleaner source. It sounds like it possibly could have had the effect of making the source use a

a better, more efficient, uh, way of, of doing the power. So I, I, I like that too. Good, good job. Blinks army, uh, stays all y'all for, for getting together on that.

Now, if anybody out there is listening, I would like a Swift for Planet group. I don't have the time to put that whole thing together, but I will join. Excellent. Excellent. Bodhi, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention. I like all of this, especially the leaderboard. Again, that's leadthecharge.org. If folks want to find what you do, where should they go? Start off with 918digital.com and you can see all the things I got going up there, including Kilowatt, which is an electric vehicle podcast. Thanks, man. Thank you, sir.

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And finally, we end every episode of DTNS with some shared wisdom. Today, Mike has a question to help us understand. Yeah, he says, I was fascinated by your story on the use of chromium sulfide bromide to store data on quantum computers from Monday's show. The key attribute was that this substance is one atom thick.

Chemistry isn't my strong suit, but I think I'm counting seven atoms in this molecule. So in this molecule, are all the atoms in one line? I'm just imagining the molecule mapping in high school with one hydrogen atom connected to two oxygen atoms. So I'm just thinking this substance would be thicker. It's a weird question, but you're all smart and have the smartest audience on the internet, and they might have the answer. Thanks for the great show, Mike, in stormy Virginia.

And yes, this was something that was in the article I read yesterday. CRSBR, the chromium sulfide bromide, is layered. They described it as being somewhat like phyllo dough. And there's a process that they used in this research paper to exfoliate the layers. So you end up with atoms all in a line like you're talking about that are one atom thick sheets.

So graphene has a similar process where you can make it be one atom thick. However, any physicists in the audience who want to weigh in on this, please do, because I'm not claiming to understand it. That's just what I read from that article. Well, lucky you, Tom, because I am not a physicist, so I can't help you at all. But I'm curious to know the answer. Yeah, please. Please send us any additional information on this. But yes, the idea is that it's one atom thick sheet. So that part I can say for sure.

All right. Well, if you've got this answer or you're thinking about something else, you've got insight into another story, whatever it may be, share it with us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. Big thanks to Bodhi and Mike for contributing to today's show. And thank you for being along for Daily Tech News Show. The show is made possible by our patrons.

at patreon.com slash DTNS. Super quick note, Tom is doing a workshop in Austin, Texas the weekend of June 27th, and you can find out more at bestnewsever.com. The DTNS family of podcasts, helping each other understand. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program.

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