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On tuesday show, we talked about meta expanding search and and with Charlotte, henri and rob dmd and myself, we talked about how WhatsApp in particular might be the place for that super advising. You know, if you're going to put IT search into anything, what's up might be the place when IT comes to matter.

Today, OpenAI announced and enhanced ChatGPT for pro users with search capabilities using microsoft thing to provide real time internet answers, making IT a stronger competitor to not only meet but definitely google. Those new features mean that ChatGPT can offer up to date answers, and for users with pro accounts, they can leverage dully three image generation as well. So just what you what are your thoughts on this? I mean, this whole sort of like, you know, AI race to race to the finish line is one thing, but A I plus search so you never ever leave yeah different conversation. So let's let's .

start from the beginning there with like the super APP idea because I do think that partly that vision is something that increasingly feels a little bit dated. There's a lot of different solutions that have made things like buying impulse purchases on websites or apps that you've never been to a lot easier. Services like crime, you also have tapped to pay your apple pay, google pay, samsung pay that also kind of make these things a lot easier.

So the concept of the super APP was not only do you do all these other functions that you want to do, but also you can do a lot of usually financial things because that's where the money he's at. What's APP obviously has a killer feature when IT comes to chat. However, I do think when you look at A I and you make the questions of, okay, well, what does A I open up in terms of other functions?

Search is really at the top of that list, which brings us to search gp t, what was called search gp t. Now this is going to be searched within ChatGPT. Yes, we said when this first launched into beta a few months ago that IT could be an existential threat to google.

I still believe that. But I think not only does IT is an indication of two different things. Number one, the idea that we are just spending more time in our own communities, we're spending more time in smaller areas, and search is now becoming commoditized enough that you could get exactly what you want inside that community faster with their own author.

C search. The other thing is this google search is bad right now, and I don't mean that IT is a bad product that is still the most popular product on the planet, but IT is worse than IT has been. IT is harder to get results through google search. Now that he has no.

what do you think about google A I, inter?

Well, again, that's what they are trying to push. And they trying to create a world in which they can head off competitors like perplexity. They can head off competitors like open a eye. But IT doesn't get you away from their main problem.

The main problem is that they are so tilted toward feeding ads, not only ad words, but also a part of reason why google search is bad right now is that if you want to find a piece of information that in any way happens to be related to a current news story, good luck. No A I in my daydream, look for political news. I'm trying to find little political tidbits from history that make the a current world, very chaotic, noisy current world, make more sense.

Good luck trying to search for historical data when google is doing nothing but pushing very current news related searches into the first one, two, sometimes three screens of their results. IT is very annoying. And so I don't think that is a secret in silicon valley. I don't think that's a secret for a lot of these companies that have a lot of money. And I see a lot of these sharks starting a circle.

You know I yes, I I definitely get what you're saying about news at the same time. I mean, know google search even though it's feeling a little long in the tooth at this point. It's like that really the way that I I make sense of the world.

I use I use uh, ChatGPT and and other models here and there, but mostly ChatGPT know for this and that. And I find that IT just is not accurate enough. It's accurate most of the time, but the times that IT isn't i'm like that this is no good you know, like I have .

have you tried perplexity the other the specific AI and and search engine?

Yeah I have.

Did you find any accuracy problems with that?

No, but I also am not using that on a regular basis. So I sort like I had the same .

the same situation where I was like, okay, I let me try perplexity. I would love to make that my default search not only through safari, but also through my ions. And I just I wasn't able to do IT, and that's where I think you're really going to see a problem like IT right now.

What I see is a bunch of can and coal mine problems for google. I see titanic hitting the iceberg problems. When you see more on device, specifically iphone, be able to easily pip V T away from google as a default search. And ah the results to just be Better with some of these other some of these other platforms.

Yeah the the the idea of you know people saying like remember google search like like the way that we will remember red at lie or know live journal blogs type thing is like that doesn't compute to me right now. But I but I don't think that far away from a world where maybe google search is still find doesn't go away, but it's not the only place you go.

No has been the only place .

you go for a really long time ever.

Going to stick to the halloween theme, you can see the specter of yahoo saying IT can happen you too. I can happen you too.

Spooky well, um you know speaking of A I and you know other stuff, meta reported its q three revenue had a good have a good quarter. Revenue was up nineteen percent every year to forty point fifty nine billion dollars. Income was also up thirty five percent over year to fifteen point sixty nine billion dollars.

And family daily active people, which is matters cute way of saying like it's facebook, instagram, what threads it's the family um and IT makes the never seem quite a bit bigger. Also up five percent over year to three point two nine billion dollars on average for september of twenty twenty five. Perhaps more interesting though, is meta saying that its AI services have surpassed five hundred million users since they're launch in september, thanks to what's that messenger and instagram, the tools, including a stickers, you might like them, you might not adding the features also, you know, use them or not.

But clearly, people are. And metals on chat pot seem to be final success in reach, an appeal of AI across metic platforms. Now, Justin, I know this one is gonna be interesting to you because you're such a threats. Fan CEO mark cyberia said its social network threads now has almost two hundred seventy five million monthly users, adding it's been growing more than a million signals per day with an engagement growing this well.

I am here to congratulate threads on hitting two hundred and seventy five million monthly people who fat finger the wrong, but non instagram, and therefore accidentally bring them into threads so they can immediately .

close out and then go back .

to adapt that people .

actually use, I mean, to meet. I mean, I know .

my erasing of threads all the same. I I think that there's no reason why threats cannot be a thriving community for a certain kind of people. I do you think that, that is where the future is heading, that we have less and less of a actual main street, a town square, if you will, and instead, we sort of have self selecting communities that talk to each other.

And our mainstream thought is just the general cut across that hits all of these same, different communities. Threats is very much as an opportunity to be a part of that. I'll deferred the people that use IT on a more regular basis to critique whether or not IT is doing a good or a bad job in terms of evolving its product.

But there's no doubt that IT has a tremendous advantage because IT is so closely tied to instagram. There's a reason why IT has users. IT has there's a reason why IT has the number of engagement and beyond my snarky comment up top, the ability I have willfully walked into threads because I have seen a friend of mine that no longer posts on on x or twitter anywhere else that I do cement time there on instagram.

So you've effectively put a little window out there for me to to venture in to that APP. When I comes to meddle in AI, they have a very, very interesting philosophy. Not only do they have a huge install base e with the apps that you mention, but they've also largely put time, effort, resources into open source models.

Alama is one of them. They just put out a product this week that is a version of google notebook ml. Or am I always get .

that mixed up?

L M, yeah. Am sorry for a little transparent tion here, but they are. I think they're doing good work. They're taking a different attack then either apple OpenAI, microsoft or google, they're leaning into what people in the open source world are using and then they are folding those services into their own products. Therefore, I think making really, really good and compelling editions to other popular options.

Yeah I I agree I you know the the threads conversation um conversation ha ha um there are friends of mine who were, you know the friend who's like i'm gonna do that the you one out of twelve know school thing yeah on ex you know the formerly twitter and I see that more and more on threads was .

so long form content .

yeah like like i'm about to tell you a story yeah no and .

I might .

yeah yeah let's hear IT that kind of thing that sort of thing is very much a IT really is like a two thousand seven way of talking to people. It's like why I just have a blog but we all did that and then we all decided like now social network in is kind of, you know, the easier way to do this and now we're sort of going back like maybe we do sub stacks that's kind of like having a blog.

You know, it's it's it's the whole thing feels like a big shift to me. And you know, well, we sort of figure out what's best for everybody. And obviously, you have more choices than ever IT reminds me of, you know, back in the day was like, if you really just wanted to talk to the world, you had a block yeah and you know and then I was like, oh, then you had like a twitter account. Yeah you know and then IT was or maybe you use facebook but like and and now it's like, oh, threads as twitter and I just kind of turns into like where are your friends? Where is your body?

Yeah I think that there is a huge part of that. And that's why I do believe that the future is a more fragmented universe where again, people are finding, for whatever reason, be at right now. We are very in the moment with IT that it's like goal. People are mad about twitter or they're mad about blue sky, they're mad about whatever and only like i'm how far and find this new place. Eventually, anger fades and patterns emerge based on what you actually like on a platform. And that's always been my push back on threads is that there is an a journal in that I do think will eventually subsidy because the things that I wide up seeing the most that it's talked about on social media that is not microblog and social media that is not twitter is twitter, because there still is a gravity to that conversation, especially when we are looking at high news moments like the the likes of which we are .

in right now. I can't imagine what could happen in the next week.

Justin, I was strange.

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More than five hundred amazon dot com employees sent a letter to A W S O mt. Gma asking for a reversal to the companies return to office policy at an all hands meeting on october seventeen th, karma stated nine out of the ten employees he talked to. We're in favor of the plan of coming back to the office, a notion the letter rejects.

Gma added opponents of the plan should leave amazon web services that sometimes what they do. In september, amazon CEO andy Jessie announced that the company wide return to office rule was in effect and we would go into effect next year. So Justin, we haven't really know.

I don't know. I about a year ago, I think, uh, a lot of a people were stressing about return to office or not. Some people very much wanting that.

Some people very much not. And at this point, IT seems to have cooled down a bit. So you know, what do we think here with the amazon?

Well, I think that they are going to push for IT. And I do believe that this is enough of a buyers market from the perspective of an employer that they're fine with people leaving. There are enough people that do not have jobs in the tech sector that be very, very happy to take those gigs and many that would be willing to move.

I will say anonymized this a little bit, but there is somebody that I am very close to has been looking for a job in the tech sector for the last year. They got all the way to an offer. The offer was good, not as good as you would have been a few years ago. But they were returned to office, and they were giving people a two month runway to do exactly that. And what do you know?

That was two months runway.

like you had to be in the office, in that office in two months, even if you didn't live in that city. Now they were willing to pay for for relocation, but they're serious about IT. They very much believe that this is something that needs to happen from what we found out throughout that process.

Me in this person, who I who remain nameless, is that IT wasn't the manager. IT was hr. Hr was very much in that, which means that was a company directive that people just .

actually like hr didn't decide this.

Some hr, the meeting .

of .

the prose for return to office, there are some people that played dirty with this. So you can have effectively, if you work remote, you can have two jobs. You can do the job on one for one company, and you can do the job for another company, and you can make two paychecks.

It's not ethical, but I have known people to do IT. IT is not uncommon. IT is harder to do that when you are in the office.

Prose from the employer, perfect from the employee perspective. A lot of these tech companies still do have a lot of very, very generous perks. They have way is for you to get into the office. They fig meals from very, very fancy kitchens and nice chefs. Yeah I remember in the days of covered when people were being dispersed out of the office, there was a small riot at some tech companies because they wanted to whether or not the company was going to pay for their lunch because the company paid for their lunch when they went in the office. Why would they not pay for their lunch when they are outside the office?

sure. yeah. However, whatever exactly they were .

denied for the record at from everything that i've seen, the what we are finding out now is exactly where that equal library is for high quality talent, irreplacable talent, move the company forward talent, how much are they willing to put their feet in the ground and say we will not go back to the office?

If you're in a more of a middle management perspective, some of these companies might be fine to shake people off because they don't know it's going to happen in the next few years. We are still in attack winner, and we also don't know where we're going to go with a eye over the next five years and exactly what kind of headcount is going to be required. So I think this is the power of my companies. Game on.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, the whole, the whole, the whole scary. Since were in spooky, spooky day. The whole scary thing of like A, I is going to gonna get fired because nobody needs me anymore. That's that's a that's a real um you know that's a real um uh a scare a it's a fear.

it's a fear .

IT may come to fruition for some people and may not for others so there's that um the know the whole of the whole idea of people are Better in the office because we can we can watch them Better. That has has always sort of rub me the wrong way because it's like, okay, well, you don't trust me.

You know like if I have to be in the office because i'm going to be a Better employee there rather than no in my home office, it's because you don't trust me. But I think that, that is you know, if you're a manager with three hundred people under you, maybe that's the only way you can kind of feel like you're in control. You're the manager yeah I don't know .

how much of IT is like the proverbial manager looking over the shoulder of somebody to make sure that they are typing and not changing their fantasy football. Ter, I think that it's it's more engagement and it's specifically the idea that there is a common mission in purpose when you were trying to move things forward. I think part of what was learned over the last several years where you had just an unprecedented organic expanding of a lot of these workforces, largely funded by low interest rates, which we will see where we go with that going forward because that's the biggest thing that drives hiring is that there were levels and levels and levels of management that got in the way of innovation. And especially when you look at a company like open a ee, which exploded with a fairly small and very ill but very, very talented workforce.

So if you are one of these major companies, how are you getting the best out of your employees? And one of the things that I think is being looked at, at least now we'll see how this ages, is if you're not willing to commit to the office, then maybe you're not really committed to this company. And if you're not really committed to this company and especially in this market where so many people around the beach, we'll find somebody who is.

Right, right, exactly. I mean, that's that's the whole thing is like if you don't want to to come into the office, are you really committed to the company? And for some people, maybe the answer is no. You know i'm phoned in IT in a little bit for a lot of people like, yes, i'm very committed and this actually just like a way Better way for me to work and we're still trying to figure that i'm ill in the couple days everything was maham you know .

nobody knew what to do yeah let's let's let's look before that because IT was a very, very employee ruble environment precoe, where people would leave a company at the drop of a hat. You've been a year meta, and then you go to google and then you would go to facebook and then you go to a startup and then you will come back. This happened all the time in silicon on valley. This was very, very employee favorable and now not so much. Oh oh, I got a machine gun now says the employer.

Um well, speaking of employers in in the mailbag, we've got something something good that I think some of us may relate to, not all of us, but some of us for our patron post from yesterday's with Robin Scott annon junior says i've done the screen shot prank a few others IT was a gentle reminder to lock work stations since we were all part of a health care system.

Best one though, was when a friend and coworker asked how hard IT was to change the outlook notification sound for new email. This being north CarOlina, there was a big rivalry between nc state and u nc. Fans up for fun.

At his prompting, I changed our co worker's notification to the nc state fight. Sung SHE was a huge and the un. c.

Fan, best part says an on junior. Neither of us were blamed. Another front of got blamed. SHE was fuzzing him out on the phone. He figured out what had happened. So we started sending out emails as for us as he could, making her more frustrated and all of us more amusing.

The worst version of this was a prank that was played on a friend of mine of justice had all gotten a college where the error sound the like, like that sound on your, on your PC, just like the very short little like placed was replaced with alvin in the chip months. Christmas time is here, the full sag. Oh my god. Dry and drove cry. That maybe one of the most psychological damaging things i've ever seen happen.

I mean, do you member back and and and I may be janine, my self here, but, uh, the early days of twitter, when somebody would leave their computer and then you would type poopen.

oh yeah, yeah.

oh yes. That was, I mean, I mean, I mean, what a bunch of children, right? Like like that was what we did. But like that was what .

you did where you were .

like you got I just said poppy .

on your on your street .

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