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well, we've got a big packed show, lots of news. The week before thanksgiving will IT ever slow? No one knows, certainly not today. So let's go to the quickest. Comcast announce IT plans to spend out all of its nbc universal cable networks, except for bro, into a separate public publicly traded company initially called spin n coal contest hopes that by shaddy declining assets from these properties, the company shares might rise and bc universals michaud's will head spin KO and he said in a statement, as a standalone company with these outsider assets, we will be Better position to serve our audiences and drive share holder returns in this incredibly dynamic media environment across news, sports and entertainment .

and cybersecurity. Company with has acquired death and A I driven cloud security firm for four hundred fifty million dollars to enhances platform that specializes in mediation, focusing on rip prioritization and resolution. This is with a third major acquisition this year, including a acquiring gym m security for three hundred fifty .

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Big acquisition year for is head of instagram and also threads. Ada mercy says that the company, the combined company, is twisting its algorithm to prioritize posts from people that you follow over recommendations. So starting thursday, the four u feed on threats will surface fewer posts from strangers and focus more on connections that you already have. The shift comes as blue sky recently hit twenty one million users, although threads added fifteen million signals in november alone.

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see site for details. Facebook messenger is getting in some more robust features. That is, if you use IT to to communicate with a lot of people, I do for some such as added support for hd video calls, audio and video voice messages, generative backgrounds of that, something that you're interested in at all, a zoom and support for apple theory, that part is kind of interesting.

Iphone and ipad users can now ask siri to send a message through facebook messenger if they so desire. Hd video coalition will be ond by default on wifi has to be turned on by the collar if they're on a silver lar connection. So you've got to kind of check your studies here, parent company medications that the generated backgrounds for video calls are coming soon.

So you're not going to get them today necessarily, but you are going to get them eventually. Facebook passenger is also going to let users send audio or video messages when their friends don't pick up a call, so you get a record message button option on the call screen to send an audio or video message to the chat conversation. This is basically waste, e, meta said in a statement about the new features around world people collector to spend over seven billion minutes on calls across facebook and messenger every day.

All right. So I assuming that those numbers are true, a lot of people are using this. Justin IT kind of feels to me like facebook wants to take over your your sales service career. Is that possible? But I don't .

know if if taking over the self service career would be necessarily what they're the aiming APP, but certainly to replace the full sweet of communication tools that you have natively on your phone, either through google or apple or or any anything else that you have, they want to be able to own that space. And in in part, they actually have a really good product. In facebook, messenger is a reason why people use IT.

It's fast that already has a lot of the context that you have made through their social graph and to add different ways to communicate if they are as sick as the rest of that product will be well used. I think your point is interesting that what is the role of our cell Carrier going forward? And exactly how are we going to a look at that further commoditized universe going forward, especially if we get so many of these features that continued to evolve? I think .

one of .

the things that messenger is also trying to do is IT is meet IT. IT is a facebook product. So once they get in there, you're in there and they will, in all places, were as legal for them to do so.

They will get data from you. They are going to get they are going to get analytics from how you're using IT, who you're using IT with, potentially even what you may be sending back and forth. So I believe that this is just another way that they can say, you know what? A lot of people use this.

Let's keep giving them features to keep them on IT because I think another part of the two is that we have to remember that mental also owns what's up. There's probably at some point, no coming down the road. There's going to be integration between messenger and what's at.

And then at some point, you may even see immigration between um messenger and know in these other platforms, maybe like you know google messages and I message and stuff like that. So I think that they just want to make sure that they are in the game. They are a major player here. And the more the more features, the more services they give us, the happier people would be within and probably stay instead of meta world garden.

That that was kind of my first question is like what about the WhatsApp universe? I guess facebook will meet a you know as the parent company of all these companies is um I understands that the people that I talked to on whats up are not the people that I talk to you on facebook method. They could be you know we have options, right? We also have plenty of other options.

We could do you know if were in the apple universe its face time, we could do zoos, we could be on squad. Caroline, the life goes on. But facebook messenger is. And Roger was mentioned, but before we started the show that you know, that's for like family members, they're really marn any other people that he talks to on facebook messenger. I don't have that many people that I talk to on facebook messenger on a regular basis, but they exist they definitely exist and they're not going over to whats up.

Um in fact, i've i've got a friend who lives overseas because if you live in europe, you use what's up and you're just like obsol annoyed that americans don't use what that some of us do but you know a lot of people don't and she's like, it's the best. Why not just try IT and I like but but nobody else on there it's just you and me. So I think that IT makes sense for messenger to become something that it's it's not just about sending like A Q Z text back. And for IT, this is something that you could use for work. This is something that would yet would would um take care of a company call um that could be that that that feels like a fully big product that looks good and sounds good.

Well but but also what facebooks a great value is the social graph they have marked your life and the people that you know and talk to for over a decade, right? And and your fastest stability to have a real time communication with them is via this APP. And they want you to be able to do that many different ways.

I don't believe that what's have a messenger ever going to particularly join together, at least at any time where they are both really relevant. If one of them falls off totally in terms of its usage, then maybe you can see IT folding folded in. But the error that we're entering now, and I think it's a good one, is give people the exact experience they want.

Stop trying to artificially jam everybody into one thing. I mean, even look at the the way that they wrote about how popular messenger is in this in this press release around the world, people collectively spend over seven billion minutes on calls across facebook and messenger. Every deck they're saying they're just time.

Two different products together, you know, facebook, the web APP and messenger, which is largely A A mobile b like that's fine. Meta can still say at the end of the day that a gigantic goi number uses their products. There's no need to combine.

You always see about kids don't use kids don't use Young, the Younger generation don't use as well. They do. They are in instagram. There are there are other products, but adults still tend to use IT.

I mean, there's like everyone that I know has a facebook account that is my age, ten years Younger, ten years to fifteen years old, they all have them. So this is a plate where we've already got you. We're going to just we're going to keep you in our world gardening by giving you services and features.

They just make IT easy for you to communicate regardless of what platform you're on. They do that very well. These tools work very, very well.

IT kind of reminds me of the the ongoing social network, like which one is the right one conversation that we're all sort of having because that still shake you out to some extent. There was a time where if I on my iphone, if somebody was calling me on facebook messenger, i'd be like, wow, weird. Don't want to do that.

Call me if you know my phone number, you know and now i'm my go. fine. I don't care if somebody face time audio s me.

Well, if the video of face time I am like still now, but this time audio versus just a straight up phone call from phone number to phone number also doesn't bother me. I think we're all a lot more used to that. It's like someone wants to get a hold of me.

IT might be a video thing. IT might be an audio thing or some combination of the two. And it's not that we're a name or we just have more options.

What will change is a little bit to be. The free ad supported streaming television service, or the fast service backed by fox, has introduced a new short phone video feature called scenes that enables users to explore short clip from over two hundred and fifty thousand popular television programs and films.

Seems is designed to enhance user engagement and facility content discovery positioning to be to compete both with traditional fast training services and short form video sharing platforms like instagram, rails, take talk and youtube shorts. This feature is now available to all tube users on IOS and andry devices. And I actually updated my a tube application on my android device earlier today just to see this.

You're a to be user.

right? I am a tube user. I watch to b IT is probably IT is probably a top three streaming services for me. There's just a lot of content on there in its background.

The ways for just TV just running for me um I updated to IT I I looked around what and play with IT all this is kind of cool and then I thought that kind of reminds me of networks moments that they just announced that know a couple of weeks ago, but there's a big difference. And and maybe to be update this um with nefer x moment, you can share clipsed across social media. People have to have netflix account to actually be able to view IT, but you can at least share, hey, this is really cool to go watch this.

You can do that inside of to be all you really can do is just watch clips. Um so this is this is a very, very personal thing. You just enjoy them for yourself, if they could share them, if you could share them out via social media, I think that would be be a boom for a lot of people.

There's like an old movie is on there and you share IT out because, you know, you have an, as you know piece of in the storia, there's something like that and then you share to your friends and they can come in and watch IT as well. And if they don't have, they don't have to be they just doesn't matter because to be free, you don't know you have to have an account on your phone, you know yet? No, you can have an account.

You don't have one. So I think they're missing IT by not, you know, making this being sharp, but this is a pretty cool feature to where you can just go and just really watch clips, almost like watching movie trailers. You are you just watching a piece of a movie, let let me go check that out.

Or you're watching a clip, three to five minute clip thereabout ts from a show that you want you several times already through reruns. But you really like the scene. It's funny and you know it's IT, I don't know, makes you feel good. This this gets served up to me on facebook all the time because i'm constantly getting friends reruns, uh, little scenes or like, you know ha ha funny bluer. But the one Rachel said, the funny thing type, I watched that stuff because IT doesn't require me to really pay a ton of attention or even give anyone thirty minutes of my time and it's pretty easy to to share although i'm not always like, hey, look at this funny friends clip that's what I was doing at nine this morning. But yeah, just what do you think about the whole idea like this, this kind of taking a clip out of a longer form content and the person knowing, I know i'm not watching the whole thing, but I only need to watch that funny scene that I already know is there or maybe i'm learning for the first time it's doomed.

That's what i'm telling you. This is that yeah, it's a doomed feature. And here's why.

Number one, IT is something that happens quite a bit where it's an ad on feature, right? We can all agree that is somebody in some marketing, some room in tubes like, hey, why are we not tiktok and then somebody says, oh, we could maybe be tiktok and then they create a feature like this. That's not the reason why it's student.

The fact that it's also rent if IT was also rain and IT was really, really well done. And I avoided this one. Pittore, I would say, would have a jet.

But the reason why these kinds clips deliberate in the gray market, wink, wink of reit, youtube, tiktok. Because if you want to play in this game with the legal rights, that means those legal rights can be taken away at any given time. And what makes these ecosystem special and awesome are a lot of hard work from users. What user is desperately going to want to spend their time and effort to make the best clips if they know that at any moment american gladiators can come off to be and now be exclusive to amazon prime? And now everything that you did just gets new because you spend so much time finding all the best turbo and ice clips.

But if everybody leads all the clips, what do we go really?

Because that mean this is the reward of the user generated ecosystem. You want the cloud. You want the ability to say that, that there's because with the talent comes the people. With the people comes the cloud.

And so if if you if it's always gonna on shaky ground and like rob said, you're already boxing IT on some level because you're not allowing IT to be shared on other places, it's just existing within tube, then maybe look, i'm not familiar with that ecosystem. So maybe there is a thirst and a hunger for IT that people are really going to a want to do IT. And maybe there is just a two b generation that wants to spend more time there but wants more short form content, possibly. But in general, the history of these kinds of things are pretty fruit because it's way easier to just steal the clip and put IT up on youtube where somebody's going to say, oh my god.

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Alright, big story to day. In a washington federal court, the U. S. Department of justice filed proposals to restructure google's business after earlier this year, a judge found that google had abused its market position in online search and search text ads.

Among the proposed actions would be the sale of google chrome browser within six months post a five year ban from reentering the brows er market and also blocking google from pain third parties such as apple to make google the default search engine on their devices and their products. If those proposals don't work, a total divestment of the android mobile Operating system has also been suggested and currently on the table. Because nothing has happened yet, google is expected to file its proposed remedies by december twenty th of this year.

The judge will then hold a hearing about their proposals from both sides in the April of twenty twenty five. So this is onna. Take a while. Then the judge will deliberate and make a decision about which, if any, of these remedy he will impose by the end of August of next year. Are right, Justin, how realistic are these proposals?

Not not .

just not T I O T period. Yeah.

sorry to make IT glib, but this is the beginning of a process. Google has a lot of time, a lot of money and a lot of lawyers that are going to continue to help them shade. Whatever this settled is to their benefit.

And by the time eventually comes due, we might be double tailed with other different changes that google might want to make going forward. Obviously, this is not the kind of stuff that they want to see, but let's be realistic about this process. It's the very beginning of one, and I don't believe that IT is going to end with the worst case scenario. Google.

I agree, who hardly I will add to your one word and I will say not at all. This is simply this is simply just not going to happen. I'm thinking about when the dlj suit microsoft for doing way worse things than what google has been accused and found guilty of doing.

And they didn't break microsoft up there. They are not going to not going to do this. They may do some, you know, google is not on the day and free here, but chrome will still be a google thing.

Android will still be a google thing. Search will still be a google thing for the for super future. And i'm talking about years of that decade.

So um as you say, this is a process. This is the beginning of IT. So as like what's let's ask for the mountain and and see what we get.

And i'm imagining that once this is all said and done, google will feel some pain here, but crime will still be part of their you know of their ecosystem. Android, i'll definitely still be part of their ecosystem. Search will still be part of their ecosystem.

Well, I mean, as far as some of the the remedies have been proposed, the idea that android might be prevented from favorite in google search force google to sell android of an oversight committee finds further evidence of misconduct also far fetched. But okay, that's that's an option.

Uh, google could be a required to ensure that websites can choose not to have their content use for training gami or any other AI model that google might have going forward. I mean, what what do we think I mean is is this just by, I don't know, mid twenty twenty five google walks away from this and everyone went, uh, what a waste of time and money. Or do we think that google will have to reneging on some of .

the stuff that we're going to see some kind of change? You don't go this far down the road without there being some pound of flesh. Just the difference is, will you do material harm to google business? Google core business is selling Edwards.

IT needs the elements of its business to continue to sell the ad words at the level that they do. I would see IT a little bit more likely that, okay, well, google is prohibited from you buying certain access or something like that? I don't know. I mean, I I would ask a legal scholar to have a Better sense of exactly what what is going to be. I just find IT to be historical far fetch for them to say, hey, let's take a hammer to your core .

business yeah I think right you're hinting the nail right on the head. Google may, when this is all said and done, may not be able to give apple billions and billions and billions of dollars to make google be the default search. They may not be able to just make IT hard for any other search to exist in the world.

They may rain some things in, but when you hear that we want to have crime no longer be part of google, potentially android no longer be part of google. You are you say google, you can still exist, but we're going to cut your arms, your legs blind and beefing you um and the removal ability to fill things um you know away from you is like the company can't really exist in that way. So I don't think the government is going to get into we're going to shut the company down, which actually you will be doing if you if you take these big parts away from IT. So uh, google will feel some pain at the end of this, but they will still have chrome, they will still have android, they will still have search when this all get sorted out. I'm a so many, it's just going to be massive.

massive fines. Yeah that's IT money. That's when this is going to come down to they're going to say either you're not allowed to pay for a massive amount of money for preferential treatment and or give us money you need to now give us a gania find and that'll be there.

How many dum trucks of gold? But do we want you to back up to the dog? That's basically .

what this is. I test number on what google pay double to be devolved search in IOS think he .

was something like the rear four billion dollars.

Null, right. yeah. So it's like I mean, clearly, google feels like IT gets way more out of that or I wouldn't bother but know some sort of restructuring that would be my best gas of of some of concession where google has to be like iran or you know something else that has been floated is making google license its search and uh, index to other search engines to be able to say, like here's how we do IT and you can do IT to and people have more choice.

I'll tell you this, now that ChatGPT has search, boy, have I used google a lot. You're not the .

only person of your I have heard this quite recently from folks. We're like, you know what if you just use ChatGPT instead of google, it's really great and make so what does that? IT just has a little button.

So if I want to talk to IT, I can just say, give me a pilot links and I just searched the thing boom bunch links and by the way, it's good.

bad in bad gives associations and the giving the links. It's like I thought that I was going to have to go away from know what to click on stuff and go somewhere. I ve just want to get an answers. No, does not. actually. They search experience .

that we're used. I asked IT, and I was like just a question of who wrote a certain sl sketch, found IT immediately, and found the citation tions for IT IT. IT was pretty good, pretty good. I cannot wait until I make IT my default search .

on all of my devices that a lot of people are, at least I don't know, excited as the word, but interested in trying to do things differently like let's or we imagine a lot of things and technology right now you know we imagine in search, uh kind of high up there um well, we are love to imagine things up with the help of you. Everybody who sends that feedback feedback a daily technical, showed up. Come, rob, let's check out the mae back.

T, J, emails. Some thoughts on our G, D, I. Discussion regarding the casio ring watch wrote, i've first heard about the ring watch in several of Robert hinman science fiction books.

He made references ces to characters looking at their finger to check the time instead of looking at their risk. My mom had tiny dressed watch he never wore. That was about as wide as my finger.

IT was analogue with an oil face. I reconfigure the watch band so that I could put in on my finger in viola, a finger watch instead of a risa ch. I've won in apple watch for nine years, and i'm intrigued by the rain watch.

Justin of, are you going to wear a watch on your finger?

No.

no, no, no. I'm not probably just because I have tiny little bird hands, but and I also like my apple watch, like i'm fine with the rest of thing, but I am intrigued by how much a attention the casio watch and just the idea of a watch that's on your one of your fingers. Maybe it's your index finger, maybe you're them rather than yes.

I am not a ring guy. I I not keep Richards think ring was the was the the the extent of where my my ring universe ends although to ring guys everywhere go not I didn't .

see IT as as tech. I saw IT as jury. IT was as a piece of jury that you could tell time moon.

So I think that for me, they just put into a different mindset. But that's not practical for me to wear every day. So folks, we want to thank A, T.

J. For the email just in Robert Young. We also want to thank you for coming and hanging out with us. Tell folks where they can find out more about which you got one.

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