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D, T, S, if you've played pokemon go or in press, you help to make a 3AI model of the world。 Plus, amazon has new echo o shows, and the playstation portal can now access the cloud that time. This is the daily tech news for wednesday, november eighth, twenty twenty four, in los Angeles. I'm from .

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taking steps to address what IT calls parasites seo, where lower quality websites use tactics to get Better search rankings. The verge gives examples like a news blog that publishes online shopping coupon codes in a hidden part of its website or an educational site that publishes unrelated affiliate marketing content. Google wants the changes to give higher rankings to genuine content and reduce the visibility of those parasites.

Four of four media obtained leaked documents that show the grey key, a forensic tool from gray shift, can give partial access to iphone actually full access to the iphone eleven, but partial access to iphone twelve through the current model iphone sixteen if it's running IOS eighteen or eighteen point of one IT also can give access to android models. This tool bypasses security features and encryption, so law enforcement retrieves IT, uses IT to retrieve data during criminal investigations, IT does not appear to be able to access phones running any of the current IOS .

datas rest of world notes. That survey results from the global system for mobile communications association intelligence, also known as gsma, find that fifty seven percent of the world's population is connected to the mobile internet, but the number is slowing a bit. From twenty fifteen through twenty twenty one, the number was consistently around two hundred million new users, but that dropped one hundred sixty million over the last two years.

Doesn't seem to be a coverage problem. Only four percent of the global population lives in areas that is not covered by a mobile broadband network. The international tele communication union points out that the cost is lightly a factor.

Cost of you know just haven't access or having a phone or beat something like that. Well, the cost of access is declining overall. Did IT africa is more than twice of what that is in the america's, and the america's are the second most expensive region.

Microsoft, following up on its constant promise that everything you look at is an xbox, by expanding xbox cloud gaming to include fifty games that are owned by x box game pass ultimate subscribers, sophie lda, get three hogwarts legacy and the like, you'll be able to play me through xbox cloud gaming. This is part of a broader role out to let players street thousands of xbox titles that they already own.

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I write, everybody, let's talk about whether or not we want to mount a smart hum device on arable OK, shall we?

I didn't. I got the amazon echo show fifteen a couple years back um but I bought the stay. I didn't I didn't mount .

IT on the wall. So amazon introduced the echo twenty one four hundred dollars. It's a smart display with a twenty one inch ten A D P.

Screen, hence the name echo show twenty one. The company also announced upgraded ecosia fifteen for three hundred dollars. The echoes fifteen they build back in twenty twenty two.

So amazon is kind of doubling down on that, but also introducing a model that's significantly larger. Both models have improved audio quality, more base noise production stuff like that, a Better camera, sixty five percent zoom, auto frame, mean support, support for wifi sixe. But what I think amazon's go for here with the echoes twenty one is essentially a mounted TV, not a large T, V.

I mean, twenty one inches. That's a small TV. But if you've got something that works for you, you know, for anybody who has, I will show, and I do have one.

It's little long in the truth at this point. I think it's the ten IT really does come in handy. I don't have IT mounted. It's it's very small. Sweet IT sits in a corner of my kitchen.

But scot, I wanted to ask you, what do you think about the whole thing? Because we we've got rumor s of apple coming out with the device much smaller than this. That's that's the rumor mill anyway. But the idea of having almost know almost like like a google nest know where it's like you put IT in the right place and he does things for you yeah i'm so funny .

to say that twenty one inch isn't very big immediately brought back to the midd nineties when I was trying to get anything larger than in nineteen on my CS and IT was.

So it's not big if you think of IT as .

a television and big is display even even as a computer display, it's already kind of not big enough for most people, right? So IT is IT is a little bit small, but also this kind of device in the kind of multiuse purpose of IT probably needs to be something in the range that IT is about a toy or two in one inch device. I'm trying to think how I would use IT.

And unfortunate, I think I would continue to use IT the way I already to use my old show. I've got one of the old, like little foreign ones, pretty ancient. But IT still does everything.

I bought IT for, which was me, yellow added, telling them to do things, that of certain lights, that sort of stuff, and IT responding in doing that, sometimes playing music would have you. I've never used that once, given its small foreign tor for any kind of video watching. So this would probably get some more of that play.

Have never watched IT or you've never used to watch.

It's too small because the things like I, like I say, it's maybe five and half french. Any miro that model was called it's old. The five yeah probably yes, because they're this all based measures.

But I haven't been I haven't been in the market to kind of upgrade in a while because in terms of use case, I think minds a little more limited. I also the kitchens really literally adjacent to a room with a to four KTV. That's you right there.

So i'm going to do TV going to do that that way. yeah. But as a kid, I remember thinking, have a TV in the kitchen was the single cool thing you could do and so there's a part of my life or this would have been a no brainer.

And I would go for IT those tvs that used to be mounted under the um the kitchen cabinets. I was so jealous .

and all money.

Watch TV in the kitchen.

Yes, wow. yeah. We have a five and we barely ever watch video on. And I came over the last time we watch video on, and we ended up moving IT.

We used to IT in the kitchen, but we moved IT into the bathroom and shot off the camera. Has a sliding thing to shot off the camera. But, you know, we use IT for weather and music and stuff like that.

The fifteen that we have, we used for TV every so often. But IT feels like a secondary feature. IT feels like this is really meant to be a smart home hub. You want a mount, they want a mount IT on the wall in a central area. Or you can use IT to, like, look at the weather and control your smart home and then see somebody and using your ring door bell and you know maybe play some TV too, right? Like it's it's it's all those things certainly twenty one introversion is lending itself more two more video uses um so I kind of think amazon is like, yeah you could use IT as a VR TV, but they they seem to be pitching IT mostly as a smart home hub and and part of a cool look and one that can do lots of other things too. And that's why they're improving the audio because they know you're going to play music off of the two you know just something to serve that central area with anything you need.

Yeah and I think that's that's where amazon is trying to sort of up a scheme when you say like check the weather and you just kind of check your rings, that sort of thing, you know a lot of people would be like, I don't need, I don't need to like, buy this device put on my wall somewhere. But you also have and doesn't have to be in the kitchen either, but for example, minus in the kitchen and i've got my my carousel, which you can customize ze set to like, send me just like various recipes based on what I have told amazon to put on my shopping list in the past and so I will get these recipe when my oh cool yes, say that you there are a lot of things that I think just as for as lifestyle stuff goes, that IT can be helpful for we use as we not need.

Sorry.

just going to say and was that is not the only you only company in this game, but I do think that the echoes is it's a great little product.

I use IT all the time. Yeah, we use IT for photos, which is another one, the one of the twenty one inch. Would you be even Better with that big screen? Let's go on to SONY is showing a system update for the playstation portal.

But let's do what a lot of people wanted IT to do what at first to launched play games from the cloud. The portal could only stream games over wifi from your PS five, but now I can connect to the playstation plus game catalogue and play PS five title. So it's still somewhat limited.

You're going to need a play station plus premium subscription that seems obvious and also recommends you have a seven mega bit per second connection if you want to do seven twenty p or a thirteen mega bit per second for ten eighty p feel like most of the serious games probably have that, if not more. It's a beta. That's why it's only PS five games for now and you're not getting some of the other features you would get from cloud gaming, no game trials, party voice chat, 3d audio， no in game commerce, few other things, at least for now. But it's got this. I heard the sound of many PS five and portal using gamers cry out in Victory when they announced this.

I think so. I mean, like you said, I think people wanted IT at the start, but this thing sold well. IT isn't like, I got thing for not having this functionality that was really hard to get at first.

They were so like okays, I ended up getting one, basically the second run that they did and quick props for the device itself. What IT was designed for then work really well, like extremely well, maybe even shockingly well. I didn't expect wifi performance to be as good as I was for that device, so that bode well.

But there was always this feeling of, like this is weird and remote, controlling this from a device that the other part of the house and without that device, this thing is a brick IT doesn't do anything for anyone except that one function. And that starts to make you question your purchasing decisions and what's worth what money and that sort of thing. This adds a whole another level of value to IT.

Um I hope and would assume that we can expect the similar performance in terms of late cy out of their cloud gaming. Um they will be using microsoft back. And so a similar results is what we're hoping for there that we get the game pass and suddenly that device is a lot more lucrative.

I think it's totally worth owning one. Now um whether or not IT will be all the titles everybody wants and the test the extensiveness of what's available on the platform, that's a big question, but I do think this will help. So only drive more subs.

But right now there they're lacking in at least compared to the competition. So all of this is good. Even if I believe in my heart of parts that should .

have had IT at launch, I feel like this increases their revenue per user, right? IT says two existing playstation gamers hey, here's a new way to take the best advantage of the games you love in the playstation five universe um which is actually what the what the proposition was at launch. You've got p five games playing on this.

Don't go buy a steam deck. You can play your PS five games on the steam deck, not without a lot of hacky. So do IT this way. You'll only pay two hundred dollars. Now they're saying, okay, you can play your own games.

What if you want to play your cloud games, you know, games that you don't actually own but are available in the cloud here, we'll make that available to. But I really is also still just appealing to PS five users. There's nothing wrong with that. It's it's a good business move. It's going to help them.

But when you look at the landscape and you see what microsoft is doing, what we just talked about, the quick hits about, you know, making x box everywhere and the joke IT was in penny arcade this morning about looking at a walrus with task and being like that doesn't look like an x box to me, because microsoft are doing all those ads. And like, this is an x box and this is an x box, but that plan means everybody can subscribe to the microsoft service no matter what device they have. This still locks you in.

You know, this is not expanding the playstation universe, and I feel like they also need to do something that does that. And this yeah I think this has to do that. But I look at this and IT reminds me like, yeah, they don't have a portable game solution for people to bring people into the playstation universe yeah.

there's also just this feeling that I would be nice to have these games native on the device if you had an option to download them. Think of IT as, like netlist, I can stream IT, but I can also, for this flight, I can put down, yeah, right, a movie. That kind of functionality is still what we would prefer on devices like this.

But when IT comes to somebody who knows what you're getting into, i'm getting this to stream video games over the internet and get a pretty good experience out of that. I think this is this is going to be fine. IT is a big generous display, a beautiful one of that not all LED, but it's good.

Um and if you're really in that SONY ecosystem with you, you're absolutely right. Theyve got one foot. They have stepped out kind of hard on this one foot, said what we're willing to do.

But their other foot is firmly placed in play station land ah and it's hard. They do not want to let go of that. Well.

we are. Anyone who's rades twister knows this can be an untended able position have held do on absolutely.

You can't hold IT for that long, but I I do think is a step of the right direction. And IT is good for certainly for SONY players. So we'll see what happens when the implemented. I don't know if they gave a time line, but I assumed they rolled out out, you know like they do anything else should get IT eventually shot. If you have feedback .

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Niantic, the maker of pokey mongo in ingress mobile games, announced its building a large geo spac model. A I model sometimes notice an l gm to let computers perceive and understand physical spaces, but also interact with them in new ways, forming a critical component of A R glasses and fields beyond. That's a niantic s words.

L gms are analogous to alums for text, but trend on billions of geo located images from around the world to collected from millions of poking mongo players, because there are millions of them. Scott, we now have AI perhaps directing the future of games. But along with AI models in general computing, if games are doubling in as training data collectors, what does that say about the information we get back? And with that, it's interesting.

We don't know exactly and they don't either. They're optimistic about the fact that they know data. We have technology in the form of these models to like parts and use IT and compile IT and figure out what to do with that.

I'm not sure ultimately, they really even know this feels a little bit hit funny because I always thought that we would get here with this amount of data through just the sheer fact that everybodys got a device in their pocket. Now that takes decent photographs. I thought that somehow would do IT projects in the past.

Remember, microsoft had a project at one time where everybody's photos in a certain place, lets say in france, read around the iphone tower where being stitched together to make one whole image. And I was like this big wop at the time. Um this is expended title larger than that.

But coming from such a weird source, it's not just that everybody got a camera, is that they willingly held them up and had an AR experience where a fake little, you know, monkey monster set out twenty feet from them and they threw a fake ball at IT. But you're filming in the park. You've got these trees in this area, in this building, in this, whatever.

See if this, this geolocation, visual data. Well, what do you do with that? And the answer is, well, now that we have these AI models, you start to use IT in the models. Ultimately, I don't know what the final use case is, but IT does seem interesting, right? That seems like we just don't know yet.

IT will crop up and somebody one day will go, oh, you know what? All these data in the antiques, we could probably buy some of that, and that will fill out what we need for this. With this, I think that's how this is going to pan out.

That's almost like this is worth doing just because it's worth doing. You have the data, we have the technology. Just go ahead and do IT and then lets see what use cases, maybe a rise. They seem very excited like automat of earlier.

They kind of have the get the data put IT in the model profit, right? But we don't know yeah but we don't know what step three like and that's a step is very hard to describe and they don't even even really know how to describe IT. But you're going to start seeing this with all sorts of stuff you already see with platforms where mean ax and everybody else is either asking you for or brute forcing a wave to scan and use your data.

And they're not talking about just the stuffy posted today. They're talking about stuffy posted in two thousand and seven in the annan's s case. They're talking about visual data and geolocation data from twenty sixteen, twenty fifteen like old old stuff.

I mean, I was very into pokemon go in two thousand sixteen that was you would know a lot of things about me based on my usage at the .

time yeah, once again, it's another one things where some people are going to see this as invasive or go away to end at my house in the whole bunch of those photos because right out my street as a poke stop. So everybody's they are all the time and they're always face in my house because apparently the poker stuff faces out and this sort of stuff like there are questions.

I have a lot of questions about that and how some of that data get used, not just safely but with proper permission where needed, like we're still faced with all the same ethical questions around that. We have around a lot of questions were at A I L L ms art generation this kind of thing. But in this particular case, it's more about who's going to use IT and who they would sell IT to expose.

So I don't know i'm not I haven't thought to doom and gloom about yet. Um I just think the data itself is super interesting. And so my hope is that I can be used for good and not evil.

I mean, anything that is based on the actual you map of the world, which something like poking mango is, you know that I I can I can only imagine that, you know, lots of companies would be clamoring for that information.

Well, not only that, but it's funny. It's almost like it's a sin which affect her, a pilot. Because the data that pokemon go relies on to have their game work in the first place is geolocation data that twenty five, thirty years ago wasn't even possible. We're using you mostly google stuff, but we're using satellite image and we're using map data that we never had prior to this.

And so we're all out out to the ingress players who are shouting right now like we were the ones who created that map for. And there actually that's a really good point .

because the english data literally some of the the pokey stops and the ingress stops, whatever the equivalent was our identical. They didn't change IT at the beginning in the beginning for sure. Yeah my neighbor od some of them were still the exact same places.

Um so you have you have a kind of a complicated thing. It's not like we suddenly have this data out of nothing. We we've been building on up for a while and it's on the shoulders of map data, on the shoulder of satellite imagery, on the shoulder of other technologies.

So at the end of at all, what what does that mean? Who owns at what privacy concerns are there? Like these raw questions are probably have to be addressed. But of course, you're going to do this. And I think this is going to be true of any kind of large data set. Everyone's ebling them going well, what if we plug that in the black and we did model black and pretty soon you're doing all kinds of black, you know well.

and then I know a lot of people would be like what I want to opt out of this. I mean, if the data is anonyme ized, then you, you, you still should be able to opt out that I think that that's a choice. Some people to just say, no, don't want to be part of the machine. But if if you you know nobody nobody y's going to be like, well, niantic so that you live here at this house and some is gonna come knocking on your door you know asking you money is part of like what's what's the worst case in ario here um but for yeah for folks that feel just kind of wary of this in general, I think that this is yet another example of this is going to happen. And companies are going to have to figure out how to explain that to their users and also offer users a way to be like, I just don't want I don't want to be part of IT.

I thought IT was interesting about the videos um that I saw explaining this is that they're using the multiple views of say like like a statue in a park to be able to map parts of the world that you cannot get to with a vehicle. You can put a google map street view thing in there. It's probably not even practical .

to yeah .

to send backpack kers in or anything because you're getting thousands of views of this. Then to you know to Scott's point about the iphone tower, you can stitch him together and make a very highly accurate three d model. And what that's going to be useful for is augmented reality.

Now that's the blank. Step two is like, what is augmented reality? Onna be. But the ability to say we can, with extreme precision, put a virtual object on top of that statue or hanging around its neck or anything is what's going to be valuable about this data.

So it's to me, this is less of a privacy issue than than many other situations because this is all public arena stuff. And it's mapping that at A A A highly precise way. And I think it's worth pointing out, they were receiving about a million fresh ans each week because poking on horizons has made pokemon go more popular than ever and people are playing in a like crazy yeah.

we're not even at the peak of what poke amo was in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen like we're still kind of on the the lower trend on IT. And still that much day is rolling in constantly. So I don't know if I was the anti, I would be doing exactly this, but I would also hope the I would have a plan to work with the public on what this means and how IT works and be very educational about IT and transparent.

Hopefully they will. right? Let's check out mailbag.

Let's do IT. This one comes from gary. He wanted to ask his thoughts about our gdi discussion about microsoft announced windows sixty five link PC gary rights. In the seventies, I worked for a dec main frame at an ero space company for submitting for train jobs on punch cards. Later using a teletype or dumb terminal.

In the eighties, pcs then max took over, but we still have a unique server that we communicated on with dumb terminals or terminal emulators over an x tot twenty five network. Then I worked at a different company that only used x terms when I hired, when I was hired in one thousand nine hundred and ninety five. Within five years, we were all working on windows pcs.

And the x terms were history. Gerry says. Maybe this time centralized servers with dumb ish terminals will take off. But I doubt IT.

that's what everybody says, like until IT works, right? And i'm not saying this is the time that works, but all that all that history goes out the window when you apple makes the ipad or or whatever. The thing is the books, the trends, so will see maybe the link is gonna be that maybe it's not it's a good history. No, I appreciate that functions ipad.

It's like I remember a time when all of retail was like we can do these flat little tables. This makes no sense. And then tablets made sense. And now that all, see, so we just have to hit whatever that is. Well, thanks.

everybody who sends us feedback, keep becoming feedback and daily technique showed outcome. And thanks to you, Scott Johnson. You know, I was about to say whether you're a tablet guy or not, but I know you are. Where where can people find what you're have to do lately?

Well, the best place to go today ended up having a really interesting stuffer around gaming. Um and I beg on that, I love the gaming industry and I have a show on thursday is called core recorded every thursday afternoon. And IT is all the big maginness of the business as well as the stuff we play.

The things were into the trends. We ve got a lot of stuff coming up, including game awards, other things to talk about. So if you are interested, any of that at all, check out the core podcast, which you can find a frog pants 点。

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And boy, do I have a story about my mac mini. You do not want na miss this one, and i'm saving IT for the show. I will not talk about IT anywhere else. But that show gets subscribed now at apple vision show at dot .

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