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Today we get Jason Howell's on-the-scene overview on Google I.O. Plus Epic wins again! Fortnite is back in Apple's U.S. App Store. But for how long? I'm John Merritt. I'm Jen Cutter. Let's start with what you need to know with The Big Story.
Tuesday, Apple approved Fortnite for distribution in the U.S. App Store. Now, we could just leave it right there and that would be the news. But I know some of you have been following this along with us. Some of you have not. So previously on Apple versus Epic, I'll try to keep this as short as possible. But here's the summary.
Apple suspended Epic's U.S. developer account in 2020 and removed Fortnite from the App Store in 2020 after Epic violated Apple's policies by putting a third-party payment option in the app without approval. They just did it. Apple and Epic went to court, and Apple won.
The judge said, no, you can't just put your third party thing in there in violation of policy. You can't do this. Can't do that. However, there was one provision that the judge put in that required Apple to let developers link out to other ways to pay outside the app.
Now, separate to that case in the European Union, the Digital Markets Act came into being in that time period and required Apple to let users load third party apps and third party app stores. And Epic started its own third party app store in the EU. That is different than the U.S. situation. Anyway, that brings us to this week's
When Epic said that Apple wouldn't approve its submission of Fortnite to the U.S. App Store, even though it used its legitimate European Union account, which is not suspended, to submit it. Apple said it wanted to wait for its appeal of a judge's ruling that Apple had to let the links go directly out without taking a cut. It was appealing that.
Epic filed a complaint with the judge saying they don't get to drag their heels on this, do they? And the judge wrote a brief, terse opinion that no, they don't. Apple knew what it should do. And if it wanted to appear in court to argue about it, Apple could name the person responsible for the decision, which most court followers said implied there might be a question of contempt of court for that person. Apple not wanting contempt of court charges, uh,
approve the app without comment so fortnight now in the u.s app store but that's not all uh you know roll credits and here's the post credit scene on this story uh late tuesday
Microsoft filed what's called an amicus brief. That means we're not part of this, but we're friends of somebody in this and we want to, yeah, our opinion to be considered in the decision, uh, in the appeal of the ruling that forces Apple to let apps link out. Microsoft says in its filing that it wanted to offer an Xbox mobile web store that would link out to web to purchase in app items. But Apple has not allowed that. Uh,
It hasn't resubmitted it since this latest decision, but it also didn't allow Microsoft to let people stream games they buy in the Xbox mobile app. Microsoft could do that all now under the latest court order, but wants to make sure that the whole system doesn't get changed on appeal before it does. So Microsoft explaining why it hasn't made changes that it is currently allowed to and
Microsoft wrote, Microsoft's own experience managing app stores confirms that Apple's policies could be restored if Apple ultimately prevails on appeal. This, by the way, also sheds a little light on why Netflix might not have added its own links out to buy Netflix subscriptions. So there we are, Jen. Fortnite in the iOS app store. However, it might not stay there depending on how that appeal goes.
Yeah. It is extremely specific to the U S app store. The second the news broke, I was like, yes, I'm going to go search this, uh, in the Canadian app store, which of course didn't show up now. Also, uh, it takes a while for, uh, things to get refreshed and databases. So Epic had a direct link to the U S app store link. Cause it wasn't showing up in searches for American users either. Uh,
But yeah, in Canada, the app is still not available and it is only slowly showing up in search results for U.S. users today. I am sad. Canadian will continue to get ignored unless we also start yelling at Apple. I think Canada is not alone in that. The EU has its rules. The U.S. has this court order. But Apple can still throw around its policies anywhere else where it doesn't have one of these cases going on.
Yeah. It's choosing to be hyper specific as the judge said, knock that off. But yes, that does not apply to Canada and Microsoft being very careful here. Like I can almost guarantee you again, based on nothing that Microsoft has this ready to go. They can go and submit this anytime they want, but they're choosing to be like, Hey,
hey, we're just going to put this out there so that everyone knows and we'll see what happens next. I have a feeling they also were like, we don't want to do a bunch of work to put this out and then have it pulled. Let's wait until this is fully resolved, which is I think what's going on with Netflix as well. I'm curious if it does show up in the Canadian App Store. Let us know. I'm going to guess it doesn't, but should it bubble up somehow? That would be interesting to find out.
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There's more we need to know today. Let's get right to the briefs. Google I.O. continues, which means the news continues. For example, Google announced that Volvo will be the first to get the Gemini chatbot in its cars. Drivers will be able to use natural language to get navigation help, find specific locations and get answers from the vehicle manual. While Gemini is also coming to Android Auto for any installation, Volvo is
Volvo is adding it to its installation of this similarly named Android Automotive, which runs more than just the info screen. Volvo's installation will serve as a reference design for other car makers, which among other things means Volvo drivers will get the new features first.
Yeah, that's a good get for Volvo. I know that Android Auto, Android Automotive distinction is so confusing, especially because of the names. But, you know, it runs at any more fundamental level, the entire system, not just what shows up in that little infotainment screen. So good for Volvo users to be able to get that Gemini goodness in there, right?
If you work in visual effects or generative model development, pay attention to this because this is about workstations. This is about beefy desktops. This is about stuff that's not even just a gaming machine. This is about things for the enterprise. AMD announced some details about its 9000 series Threadripper workstation CPUs at Computex.
The series moves to AMD's Zen 5 micro architecture, which launched with the 9000 series desktop processors last summer and has also come to AMD's Epic data processors. That's epic with a Y, not epic with an I. These high-end desktop and workstation versions that were announced today
will be available with between 12 to 96 cores. That'll be the most cores you can get in an AMD 9000 series. They'll release in July. No price on those yet. AMD also teased new workstation R9 700 GPUs with the RDNA 4 graphics architecture and 32 gigabytes of VRAM. AMD says, and
There's a lot of good information about why this may or may not be an exaggeration, but they say, AMD says they outperform Intel's Arc Pro B60 and NVIDIA's RTX 5080 at AI tasks. Those will also launch in July.
Amazon has begun issuing refunds for items returned by customers as far back as 2018. This seems to be the source of a one-time $1.1 billion charge mentioned in Amazon's early call on May 1st that was also attributed to stockpiling ahead of tariffs. In emails to customers, Amazon said it had been unable to verify the correct items had been returned, but...
could have notified these customers more clearly and earlier to better understand the status and help us resolve the return. Given the time elapsed, we've decided to err on the side of customers and just complete refunds for these returns. So the optimistic reading is Amazon realized that it had made this mistake and made it good. The pessimistic reading is, I wonder if somebody threatened to sue them if they didn't do this, so they did it for everybody.
This is the nuisance cost and is worth it just to say like, hey, let's get the good press instead of the bad press. Yeah, exactly. MIT Technology Review has done a comprehensive analysis of how much energy is being used by AI-related processes. And I cannot recommend highly enough if you really want to understand this issue and you don't just want scare tactics and you don't just want overly optimistic platitudes, read this article. We will have it in the show notes or just go to technologyreview.com.
Here's a few things that I gleaned from reading it. From 2005 to 2017, energy use by data centers remained fairly flat thanks to increases in energy efficiency. So we were increasing our use of data centers, but they...
the energy efficiency kept pace with that increase, and so the energy use didn't rise very much. However, between 2017 and 2023, the energy use of data centers doubled. A study by Berkeley Labs estimates that data centers now use about 4.4% of energy in the United States. So I've seen much bigger numbers bandied about. That's not a small number, but that's an accurate number. While that does not separate the AI from the non-AI use,
Given the fact that everything was pretty even until 2017, AI probably contributes a large portion of that rise. The report is a comprehensive look at what models are.
what we know and don't know about their energy use, how queries affect energy use, and what fuels are used to provide power for the data centers. So trying to figure out what is the actual energy impact here? We know it's rising, but how fast is it rising? How fast is it likely to rise? And when you type in a query, does it really use a lot of energy? For example, the report notes that
Queries vary widely in how much energy they use. So you can see some really pessimistic estimates, but that depends on which energy grid the data center is tied to, what time of day the query is made, what kind of query it is, what model it's using.
Queries can be very small and often are, but some queries are much larger. So again, it's more complex than just saying every time you type in a query, X happens. The short answer is that companies need to be transparent if we want to have accurate estimates of the coming increases in power consumption, because they are going to increase significantly.
And it would be good to know for planning and to reduce emissions to know how much they're going to increase. However, the companies are not being transparent. That's the big problem here. Let's focus on that.
Also, governmental agencies have not kept up with this. For example, the U.S. Energy Information Administration projects energy use for industries like mining and construction. It probably, according to Technology Review, should treat AI energy use as its own sector as well so we can get accurate projections there from the data that that administration has. Without this kinds of transparency, without this kind of detail, it's going to be difficult to manage the increase.
I'm of the belief that people are good and people are trying to make changes for the environment and the health of the local areas. But when people throw around numbers like 4.4%, it's like, okay, great. What does that mean for me? What is it measured in? What is my house normally using? You have to generally use special tools or really read your bills to find that out. And yeah, I
So Canada gets a lot of its energy from hydro. So it's like, okay, are we doing worse for the environment? We're doing better? Is it solar? Is it gas? We've heard about older coal factories being put back into use.
I really hope that this gets sorted out and government agencies take this seriously. Yeah. This report is so good because it's, it's not trying to paint this as a, as an insolvable problem, but it's also pointing out that it can be really bad. Like some of those pessimistic estimates maybe aren't accurate, but do do show us like, if we don't know, we could end up doing that. Um,
And so what they're saying is there are lots of ways to solve this problem that aren't just don't use AI, that there are a lot of benefits that come from this and telling individuals to not use queries isn't likely to work and also could have negative effects.
So let's actually get transparency from companies so we know where the power use comes from and not just be like, we're going to make a deal with a nuclear plant because that can actually end up driving up costs for everybody else if they strike a very beneficial deal for the tech company that the energy company then has to raise rates.
to make up for. So this is a very complex issue. And I was very glad to see Technology Review being one of the first outlets I've seen to really treat this as a data problem and say, here's what we know, here's what we don't know. And there's a lot we don't know. And the key to solving this and making sure that we have enough energy and that it doesn't increase emissions is to get that transparency.
Yeah, I think I speak for a lot of people where the most thing we know about power is, yeah, we try to run appliances late at night when it's cheaper. Yeah, right. And I guess making your queries late at night when it's cheaper could help. But if the data center is halfway around the world in the middle of the day, well, then you don't know. So it's not something easily solved by your own actions alone.
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NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang was pretty blunt in criticisms of U.S. restrictions on chips going to China in a news conference at Computex on Wednesday. You would expect that. NVIDIA is not making as much money when they can't sell chips to China. But here's what he said. Limiting NVIDIA chips from being sold to Chinese companies has spurred Chinese development,
He said, quote, export controls gave them the spirit and government support accelerated their development. Our competition is intense in China. He pointed out we sold 95 percent of the chips for this kind of stuff before the controls. Now we sell 50 percent. So you haven't necessarily achieved your aim. If your if your aim was to impede China from development, you've encouraged.
it. He also noted that the U.S. ban on selling H20 chips, which were already degraded versions, reduced U.S. tax income by $3 billion. Hacker YTM Elysium has successfully ported a large language model called Lama 2.C to the Commodore 64. Yes, you heard that right.
It runs the C60K Tiny Stories model, which lets you create a prompt that the model will then turn into a children's story. It is slow, but it runs on the Commodore 64. C64. I always love this, like running modern tech on an old thing, especially the C64, which is close to my heart as the second computer I ever had. Those are the essentials for today. Let's dive a little deeper into what happened at Google I.O. this week.
Google I.O. has been all about A.I. Jason Howell is at I.O. and talk to some folks at Google about what that means, especially for search. Take it away, Jason. Hey, it's Jason Howell. And I'm actually I'm actually all done with my day at Google I.O. It is actually it's
pretty late in the evening. It's been a long day as Google I.O. day ones usually are. I'm sure you guys have talked a lot already on the show about some of the announcements from Google I.O. And I thought I'd just give just a few minutes of perspective on what it felt like to be there, kind of the general tenor of
you know, the announcements and the interpretations that people were kind of walking away from the event with after such an AI heavy event. Because I mean, any way you slice it, it really seems like Google I.O., especially this year, it's not the first year that this has happened, but especially this year has become an
AI event. Yes, it's still for developers, but it's from a very different perspective. Artificial intelligence is seeping into all of Google's products and has been for a while, but now even more so. And during the keynote, I even put out, I think on Twitter, just saying like, if you are
the person who hates hearing about new AI news, then you absolutely can't stand this keynote because it's entirely filled with nothing but AI. I can't even tell you that there was an announcement that didn't involve AI to some degree. And I think at the end of the day, that really explains where Google is at right now. Some people have looked at Google and its early kind of pioneering work in artificial intelligence,
And then to see Google somewhat put onto the back burner in favor of the then up-and-comers, now dominating companies like OpenAI and Anthropic and the other new names that have come much later than Google to the AI space. I think a lot of people kind of perceived Google's place in AI as being behind even though they shouldn't be, even though they were there a lot earlier.
And, you know, why isn't Google competing to the same degree? And it almost felt this year like Google was saying, hey, by the way, we aren't only still here doing AI, but everything that we do has something to do with the advancements that we're making with artificial intelligence. There was so much talk about that in the keynote, really kind of, you know, showing off the different placements and the different leaderboards as far as
how impactful and effective these AI models are. Also seeing a lot of
collection of their various disparate services into one kind of cup or one kind of container. I spoke with Nick Fox, who leads the search team at Google and really has been one of the primary forces driving AI mode, which Google talked about immensely during the keynote.
And, you know, we talked a little bit about how these tools are all combining the powers and the abilities of all these services that that users, you know, power users have been really investing themselves in over the years. You know, if you are a Google power user, you've got your docs in Drive and you've got your emails filling up a gigantic database.
stack of storage in Gmail. And you've got all of your information, your search history, your knowledge graph, all this stuff spread out amongst all of Google's various directions. And now they're really seeming to kind of
double down on using the AI to be the connective tissue between it all. And this isn't new. We've heard about these services, you know, potentially at some point having the ability, and Jim and I can do a little bit of this, of reaching into these different things. But now you've got it going into search. And, you know, I think my comment to Nick was,
You know, is search a suite of apps or is, you know, or are all these things, you know, kind of combining into one? Like, how do we look at that? And of course, his response to that is if Google is doing its job the way they want to be doing it.
that, you know, combining these things, it's not a matter of a suite of apps or a suite of services. It all combines into a singular thing that feeds everything. And of course, a large part of that is as a user, you have to be okay with this and you need to kind of give the thumb up and say,
all right, I'm okay with sharing all of this information and all of this knowledge about me into these systems, into search, into Gemini in order to gain the benefit of
that kind of that reachability of that information by these services. And of course, Google hopes that many, many people choose to do that. I'm happy that they're still leaving it in the hands of the individual to do that. I think another kind of curiosity that I have, especially as far as AI into search is
You know, AI mode as it is right now is a separate place. Now, granted, everybody has access to this. You can jump into it. You can choose to use it and, you know, use it in place of search or, you know, as a compliment to to your normal search habits.
But I thought it was really interesting during the keynote, I can't remember who it was who said it, said that AI mode is the future of search. Basically stating that this is the direction that search is going. And that has me wondering, okay, well, at what time, at what point does AI mode become search?
Right now, it's an option. Right now, it's something you can choose to test and play around with and see why you use it over something else. At what point is it just the way search is? And does that combination, does that perceived complexity have the potential of harm against
The property that is Google's bread and butter, you know, search driving ads and people look at search and, you know, it's been a long time since the blue, the 12 blue links or whatever it was called, but people look at Google search forever and have thought, you know, the reason that it was effective is
is because A, it brought you to the place that was the best match. And B, it was simple. It was easy to understand. It wasn't cluttered. It wasn't trying to do all things for all people. And the integration of AI into search, yes, brings a lot of capability into it.
But it also makes it a lot more complex. And what is the perception of users when that complexity is introduced? Will people understand and know automatically why they use AI mode versus a traditional search? Or my question...
Will people know why they use AI mode versus opening up Gemini to do the same query when, you know, there's so much overlap on these services doing much of the same things, but kind of maybe presenting the information a little bit differently. And that's, that requires work on the user part, on the user side to understand those differences and to make those decisions at the right place at the right time. So,
Anyways, if you didn't like AI going into this keynote and everything that they showed off, you probably didn't enjoy what Google talked about at Google I.O. I will say before I wrap this up that from a perception standpoint, from talking to people and kind of seeing how they felt,
I think in previous years, I heard a lot more of the perspective of, oh, God, it's just nothing but AI. And I heard a little bit of that this time around. But what I also heard this time around that's a little different is people, it's almost like they've gotten over their resistance and now they've reached the point of acceptance. They're like, yeah, you know, this is just kind of the way it is right now.
and the way it's going to be. AI is a driving force. Google wants to get us users into the mentality of, it's not the technology, it's not the AI that's inside, no pun intended, it's not the AI that's inside all of these products that's the most important piece. It's do these products do useful things for the people using them?
And if AI is the conduit for that, then I think Google believes that, you know, great. The users, their users are getting what they came for. And at the end of the day, that's really what it's all about. Those are just a few of my random thoughts as I contemplate my very long day at Google I.O. I have a bunch of editing to do. The Nick Fox.
The Nick Fox interview is going to be on AI Inside, my AI podcast. I should have that up tomorrow, Wednesday. We also had a wonderful Android interview. And you can check that out on Android Fateful. I was engineering. I wasn't running that interview. But anyways, that should be posted now. And yeah, I hope...
I can't wait to hear what y'all in DTNS land think about Google's announcements. I'll certainly be listening. All right, Tom, back over to you. Thank you, Jason. And if you want that interview Jason mentioned, keep an eye out at aiinside.show.
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Did you know that foreign investors are quietly funding lawsuits in American courts through a practice called third-party litigation funding? Shadowy overseas funders are paying to sue American companies in our courts, and they don't pay a dime in U.S. taxes if there is an award or settlement. They profit tax-free from our legal system, while U.S. companies are tied up in court and American families pay the price to the tune of $5,000 a year.
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It's a common sense move that discourages frivolous and abusive lawsuits and redirects resources back into American jobs, innovation, and growth. Only President Trump and congressional Republicans can deliver this win for America and hold these foreign investors accountable. Contact your lawmakers today and demand they take a stand to end foreign-funded litigation abuse.
We end every episode of DTNS with some shared insight. Today, David has a question. Yeah, David says, I might have missed it. I didn't hear anything about the Google Voice Assistant, assuming that's the right naming convention anymore, LOL. In other words, what they're doing on the Nest line of smart speakers to keep competitive with the announced features coming to Amazon's
February announcements by Panos Panay. I'm the host of the Echo Tips podcast, so I try to keep up with this stuff. Just got a new Nest Mini and a home assistant voice looking to try it out and see what's what.
And you're not wrong, David. They didn't say anything about Gemini coming to the smart speakers, the nest line of smart speakers. PC World did an article about that very thing, noting that the closest we got to a smart home shout out was Gemini coming to the TV, which Google technically considers part of its smart home offering.
And they reminded us that Google has promised Gemini coming to Nest devices. Gemini on Nest speakers has been on a public preview basis for months now. Back in March, Google confirmed a new experience powered by Gemini coming to smart speakers and displays. But you're not wrong. They did not give us any new details at I.O., at least not yet.
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Did you know that foreign investors are quietly funding lawsuits in American courts through a practice called third-party litigation funding? Shadowy overseas funders are paying to sue American companies in our courts, and they don't pay a dime in U.S. taxes if there is an award or settlement. They profit tax-free from our legal system, while U.S. companies are tied up in court and American families pay the price, to the tune of $5,000 a year.
But there is a solution. A new proposal before Congress would close this loophole and ensure these foreign investors pay taxes, just like the actual plaintiffs have to.
It's a common sense move that discourages frivolous and abusive lawsuits and redirects resources back into American jobs, innovation, and growth. Only President Trump and congressional Republicans can deliver this win for America and hold these foreign investors accountable. Contact your lawmakers today and demand they take a stand to end foreign-funded litigation abuse.
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