591: KDE Goes Banana
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Well, I made me a little practical purchase. Spent a while, would you get? So the first router designed for open wt has been released.

It's eighty nine bucks, only sixty eight box if you just want the board, which might be all we really need. But I got the whole kit in there. It's got some robust hardware.

It's got a media attack. empty. Seven, eighty eight, one. B, S, O, C, dual ether .

net ports.

once two, five and once one kick a bit. okay. U, S, B, C, power. Nice modular expansion options.

Don't know what that means yet.

but cool. Ten box of the purchase goes to open W R, S. fund. It's built to be flashed in a way that you should not ever break, so you can experiment with different from wares, updates and IT should be safe.

right? I sum, this also means the hardware was chosen to be well supported. So it's not like some private kernel is locked to a specific version.

You got IT and you know I mean ninety dollars. I think I could make a nice little studio firewall and I haven't had a proper open W R. T.

Box in a long time. And I think they worked with the software freedom conservancy to ship this thing because the the S. F, C.

Made a big announcement about IT. And it's pretty exciting name. I think I was just yesterday. So I was like, saturday.

this came out. okay. Well, y'll have to report back because this could be a recommendation for friends of family.

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hello, gentleman, coming up on the show today. Both the kd, e, plasma and genome project are working on official linux distributions they hope could be your daily driver. Do we really need yet more destroys? And what is the special sauce is gonna raw? You in will take a look at that.

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Well, we have some news to get into this week, boys. In fact, maybe the biggest distribution news since this podcast has started. Oh, don't you think? I mean, think about the scale of this.

It's huge. Well, it's here and it's building on trends that we have been talking about for a couple of years. This week, we wanna talk about K T E linux, code named project banana and gomo s kd.

Linux is a new creation gono, as has been around for a while, and it's evolving into something they hope can be your daily driver. Now on september seven, that academy twenty twenty four, there was a talk given by one of the code creators of K T E neon. And they talked about the reality of building A K T E linux, an Operating system of their own.

And IT is now gathering a bit of steam. It's got a Vicky. They're putting things together. There's some early IOS. Neon remains a thing um but this is a whole new endeavour based on arch linux with an immutable able layer approached design. You might be asking why not neon? Well, neon has worked really well as way for people to test and try out K D E, but non ironically, suffers from using L T S.

yeah. Kind of the initial idea, right was will have a rocks solid base system. Let the evan tu L T S do what they are good at, which is making a rocks od system that you can just kind of rely on to have hardware support and just work where you needed to and and you know they could focus on ship the the latest .

kd e ofer on top yeah. Now the thing is, as kd plasma moved on and they needed new features in the underline Operating system to support them in plasma, they ran into issues that, ironically, would break the L T. S.

promise. An example I cited in the talk is pipeline. They wanted pipes before a bunch. L T, has had pipeline because I needed to build classroom.

The pipeline support yeah I think at least .

on the show we can without up. Yeah the other one the other use case that kind of registered with me is they've had hardware vendors approach them saying we wanna ship a plasma desktop so then they say, okay, well, you could go get open susa with plasma and they say, well, we're ready, have an open susa laptop. We want a plasma laptop well, you can go get in neon yeah, but it's kind of late the development cycle and you don't have the drivers for our new laptops in something. And they were really in the spot where they wanted to recommend something that hard reventlow could use directly or users.

Yeah IT seems like kd on never really got to the point of being quite a recommended. I mean, you know, you can if you want, but like where really shine was in long you to test the latest kd year yeah.

that's what i'm run in here. And IT has been a little brittle. I have to has broken actually right now. So IT has been great, right?

We were going to do something about that here last week.

The package management stuff is just breaks from time, time.

But know they also kind of stressed in the talk that because you run out of you, you end up needing things that aren't just package or to all the L, T, S. You know, now suddenly you're having to maintain those. And the whole point was to allow someone helps to do that so you can focus on the the kid east stuff.

So K, T, linux or A K project banana will have three target use cases, a testing edition built from get master in released daily enthusiasts edition, which ships released software and released to users on upstream. Kd schedule. That's another problem.

There's no disorder that really thinks to kd e schedule because kd e schedule exactly fit, the air said. And there will be a stable edition, which shapes only the released on a delayed schedule based on A T V D quality metric for everyone else. So testing enthusiasts and stable edition.

And then stables kind of knew, I mean, it's not new to K T, is there, but you know from the project itself because, I mean, maybe there are now on ones, but at least for a while, you you just kind of get either really, really fresh or .

really fresh. Yeah, now here's the architecture because you might this might sound familiar to you. It's gonna based on arch. It's going to use immutable areas like user and other places is going to have button affects for the file system, IT of a read only base like demos or for working at night or susa copper IT would go it'll do atomic image based updates, A B rollback functionality last system debt, I believe system debo t yep, ABS sol be flat packed based wail in bite default.

I think there is also support for confined snaps.

Okay, um this sounds a lot like, well, you blue or a lot like silver, blue or what what valve created because this one here in particular is arch based.

Are you picking up a trend? Yeah, are you picking up a trend?

Because i'm picking up a trend. I think this is fascinating yet. So system d sis extent system d sis extent allows users to overlay developer content on top of flash user without impacting the base system. So this will be a way they will overlay things on top of an immutable sas, U, S, R.

Yeah, right. So you can actually, it's unbeautiful the sense you can touch the layers, but you can do that cool composition thing and add more layers on top as a system extension.

So that mean that the immediate question that comes to mind is, why don't I just use silver blue? Why don't I just use the federal plasma spin? What about carbon too? So this is their argument.

A number one, it's distributed directly by K D E. And they argue this has several advantages. The chain of responsibility is never gated to a third party like they talk about how there's a weird disconnect where they create something and then everybody else PS IT for them.

K, D, E and K D E E V can have a drug relationship with third parties like hardware EMS. And they say, the last one he is kd can explicit recommend without, quote, picking favorites from their distro partners. They also want to design something that has no packaging knowledge required to develop for IT.

I thought that was a really interesting aspect of the talk kind of stress. Like, you know, packaging for the most large is really separate from the actual sort of programing.

He had a packed room, and he asked people to raise their hand if you've ever packed the software for linux and not a single person in the room.

raise their hand. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, there's been some focus here, unlike, well, let's not let's not deal with that. Do you know for shipping whole images anyway, we don't strictly need packages and interesting to see uh, what does that actually look like in in practice in the field? You know that just strikes .

me as is something that we've commented on the show a couple of years ago. We have the summer of immutability. We've been discussing on the show that immutable, able layer based linux distributions are clearly a trend that's up in coming. That's not if it's not just the same, that's pretty obvious. But I do think the insight that we captured that I think this plays out is linux is growth currently is coming from experts, system administrators, dev ops engineers, people that understand containers and composing systems in layers of systems.

That is the new audience for linux, because this tool lets them build systems without, even ever, haven't worry about how to package something they can orchestrate and design, distribute, build and maintain systems using the same tooling they maintain their info with and they deploy their applications with. And now all of that learn scale over the last few years that companies like red hat, others have invested a ton of resources. And getting people up to speed on is being applied to building linux systems.

And so we are seen a pleasure in an explosion of these immutable, able image based linux systems because the tooling is becoming available to more, more people. And arguably, IT could create a fairly good experience, especially for certain types of systems. But all of these, we're going to talk about Normal as here a second. They're all really based on this idea that learn pottery published back in twenty twenty two about what did you call IT was fitting everything together. And the T L D R of lear's very long post was hermetically seal slash user popularized image based oasis with modern security properties built around immutability secure boot tpm two verification adapted city auto updating the ability for users to factory reset in some common uniform components like system to you and system .

is added a lot to be able to enable this kind of composition. You know because if you are not going to know seal things off, turn things into images, ship them as whole units, then you've lost how you traditionally were able to extend in changes system, right? It's like previously, maybe you go need to go, uh, you know, when you're doing an update, you would be changing, uh should be a new version of some system file, system d file in flash user now you can say like, oh, well, I can use system extensions to just add this new version over here and way the system to understands that I want this to overwrite IT so brightly.

I'm curious your thoughts as a long time plasma user, you've jumped around from distribution but always stuck with plasma. Would kd, e, linux be something you'd consider? And what would you take for you to actually serious ly use IT?

I think IT is something I would consider. I remember when I first got into K D, I was thinking, okay, what's the most K, D, E offering out there? And I was little confusing to find that I think as a new user back then, I was aware of distributions, but there were so many like permutations.

You have this distribution doing all of these different test tops, and you can have another distribution doing the exact same thing. But then those experiences were very different. So which one was most vanilla? K, D, E, was really the question I was asking myself, and IT wasn't always easy to answer that question where this offering, you know, K D linux seems pretty straightfor that it's gna be vena K D E right out of the box.

And IT sounds like this would be more and user focused. I looked for sue. Help me look at nee on a little while to go as a potential option.

And IT never really he felt appropriate for me because it's focus on being a testing distribution. I mean, I guess that's what you're discovering that with things being a little bit broken in front of you. But um so I think this is really attractive.

And I do think there's a user base for IT. I wonder though, if IT might cause issues with the relationships already have with other distributions. Like if you look at cuban to what what does that mean for a distribution like cuban to.

Does IT make that project away? Does IT reduce its user base? Those are things I curious about and slightly worried about. Two, I mean, we've been building these relationships for melt decades now, really, if you look at some of these software projects. So how will that change if this distribution really takes off?

I'm curious. I was usk union for years because especially the time when I started using that, you know, I was familiar with the the base O S. So I could have latest Q D E, plus a system that I knew how to deal with, you know. And I mean, we used IT in the studio and had at all the fancy audio stuff that we needed. I'm curious, I I think there's a lots of uses. Only most users that you know do you don't need to do anything like that with the machine would be I would this would be a great fit for i'm curious what my experience would be like if I want to try to like tweet and push and um F W guidance for that or if it's kind not what they are aiming for.

Yeah yeah they do says they do have a list of things that they are not really kind of focus on, which is, you know I kind of glad they are put IT out there in a IT. Sounds like they're not going to support running time installation .

of kernel modules. yes. Okay, there up that limits of using .

older in video proprio cornal driver, if you have any in video card that's reasonably Priced, probably not gonna work virtual box is an example IT requires out of tree modules, probably not gonna cause you could always use Q M, N, K, vm, any kind of venture specific kernal module. You're not going to a load with the sucker. So it's not every workcell that's less and less folks as time goes on.

It's pretty impressively so. So that sort of skating where the puck going as far as i'm concerned, and I could see limiting some folks. But as time goes on, less and less.

one thing that really stood out to me was the comparison to demos. I I mean, I think when we saw steams come out, IT was like home. wow.

This is actually a very interesting way of bungling software for that specific use case. But I think we're seeing here how that use case. It's actually really attractive.

You have set a couple times. You just want steam so you can run IT on your test top. And is this exactly what you've been asking for?

Well, what do you think of this brand as a metric of success? You know what? Three, a few years after this, kt, linux exist.

Or project banana, I hope they leaning into the banana. I think it's fun. What if valve announced, like demos, four or five is based on kd linux.

you're getting prefer our predictions is episode .

yeah I don't think I love IT about the predictions is episode, you know, just to me because I think that have created something because they had to yeah and now maybe you've invested the time in the infrastructure that just makes sense to maintain that. But I wonder if the folks of valve took kind of the fifty thousand foot view adult instead.

Well, if we were to reset the clock, we would just go with this and add our overlaid stuff on top of IT and, you know, let them do all the hard work because creating Operating system is not easy. Might as well defer, if you can. So maybe, I think, would a benchmark of success be that companies like fava or other companies start basing off of kd linux, and kd linux becomes a base destroy? I think so.

I am curious. You know, anger is kind of mentioned the talk to that. Neither was sort of also always the ugly stepchild of the project because kind of superficial and love like, okay yeah use IT for testing and can be a nice place for that. But this is a whole difference. Sort like, hey, this that we are making the thing for you to use, please use IT.

How do you feel about this being based on arch of all distress? You know.

I think that gives IT IT to mean how they manage IT. I think that gives them access to a lot more modern packaging, which is probably one of the things they're trying to solve. Again, sort of like demos.

You recall the steam runtime. Me not to draw parallels here, but the steam runtime originally based on a bunch. And well, there IT is now, but stem s now based on arch, why they needed stuff from upstream. And you know, you see IT here. If this thing doesn't going to allow kernel modules, know third party kernel modules that are proprietary, then you want to be as closed upstream as possible, and we want to encourage driver developers to .

go upstream. And depends on that does not like Q A is going to be a major part of this effort as well. And you know, shipping things as a whole unit in an image does allow you to Q E IT as an image, which is something you don't get in base art, right? You just get everything integrated directly with you as upstream updates. But the image nature of IT really economy, you get the availability of a nice part of arch, but you can change that part of IT.

I will say IT does seem like it's gonna be a lot of work. So I think yes, I think that goes for both these let's switch to no as so not to be left out. Uh, developer Adrian, vote or voc come that quite.

I said you got a shot of that one brand. Yeah, brand got a shot for this one. Adrian.

I think it's a silent feet. I'm going with a silent feet adin. O the .

Adrian voc has a corresponding proposal for the known side and he has been really kind of cook on on this for a long time, but the talk of academy did kind of inspire him to make a post about what he would like to turn genome OS into, which already exists. It's gono e's homegrown destroy for testing and development for the good on desktop. IT is not meant for a daily driver. It's mostly meant to run on boxes.

Yeah, right? Hey, run this in A V. M. You can use IT to.

like develop panta. yeah. I mean, I think within last year too, they added real sports so you can run an unreal hardware.

And if you know IT is useful to have a sort of stand, standardize testing environment. So that's nice.

Now it's interesting about Adrian, and my opinion is he has been building something called carbon OS, which is essentially gomo s inspired by lindz post sort of the same kind of idea where you compose the system, you manage with with system ity, you make sure to secure from top to bottom, you make sure user is, what do they say her medically sealed. And so he wants to take over genome s and turn IT into something that could be a daily driver.

And he has suspended working on carbon O S. And he's begun work on modernizing good omas means is still quite a ways off, but he wants a quote, immutable, able distro, self updating with atomic rollback built from the metal APP to support an unmodified unknown this top. And they're gonna build the entire system all the way up.

So both kd engineer will have their own Operating systems essentially. And IT does make me wonder, if done well, will we see adoption? Will we see other distro based on this? But what does that also mean for their current distortion .

partners question? There's already kind of it's not necessarily strictly true and you can definitely find lots of ways to different. But I think there's a sense at the high level that like what even is the difference between some of these things? Oh, it's kind of like, well, what is the what are the default choices meant for you in terms of, you know, just stop environment and customization and plugins that the ship before that detox environment does that even this is further reduce, destroy different different .

change well and or does the differences come down to the F, S. Support bunt? Just added tpm description of, looks like there are so many things that be like.

yeah right you get with with A A bigger fancy or or this, you get more coverage if you can play your D R.

M. stuff. You ve got your codex. You've got your weird esol hardware support.

Maybe what do you think Brenti is there? Is that gonna be kind of, like you hinted, kind of a we're going to go from? I guess I have two questions for your brand.

Are we going now from the best top environment wars to like some sort of wider distro war to put you that most hyperboles spin on IT? Of course, in my second question, does that kind of take that competition up and noch? Or is this or is this just something we're making up? I'm not clear.

Like I don't know how the personality conflicts are going to work out. What are your thoughts like is this going to launch things up a bit? I think the .

main question that I have to ah is you know you change relationships in all sudden, the trends change too, right? But I I didn't get the sense from herald's talk about kd linux that there was a lot of CoOperation going on between K, D and go to home even on how to do this or even do they collaborate on the same base. O, S, and just have, you know their individual test competitions on top of IT. So there's also an opportunity for the opposite, which is collaboration, to get something like this done. But to lean on your question a little bit is like, yeah, this might start new coating, quote, wars if you want to keep IT nice and dynamic a and and makes me worried actually a little bit .

because of, okay, is this the positive spin? Maybe they become a reference spec of something like a reference implementation. Like, you know, when you gonna build a whole bunch of houses, you build a model house. Everybody tours the model house and they agree on, and then they go out and build all the other houses.

Yeah, I know. I guess you will. here. Here are two prominent just steps here. Here are them nicely, or at least in some way, integrated with a lot of have to do as well. Can you just lift and shift among to the system d files and then sort of address your distro stuff on top?

okay. So I got a few questions for the audience. What do you think of this boost in intel? Is your reaction to K, D, E.

linux and to goma s? Which one are you installing first?

And just our thoughts your thoughts about our thoughts like do you think this kick things up a notch? And also, what would be your predictions on how soon you might be run in something like that? You know, maybe a year.

What do you think boost? And let us know. Now I want to mention the taxes are open for voting right now tuxes dot party. We had some good responses so far. We ve got some new categories.

The number one, the number one complaint I see outside the jb community when people try this is they hate that some of the questions are Mandatory. And the number one feedback we got from people that in the jb community is more question should be Mandatory, not results. So it's a bit, it's a bit, but we got more categories and more questions in there. And join this december twenty second is our last two of there. When will be recording the taxes and other .

things five or nine responses, I think we can do Better than eight.

five hundred and nine. We can do way Better than that, way Better than that. I should mention on that december twenty second live stream will also be blasting insets to all our lifestream ers to help them get their alby hub set up or their new pieced I into into a wall.

If you just got fountain, maybe open some channels to a few folks and things like that. So december twenty second is a great day to make IT to the life dream, to have two shows, including the toxic and blast in some sets. Also, planet next call for papers are still open, but IT closes in just a few days.

Oh yeah, december night. And cash is already december.

yeah. That's so, you know, eight days away, depending when you listening to this. But if you've got a next story to tell, go similar paper then no, you have an excuse to go and you to say hi to your boys when we go there.

So link in the shown notes for that then i'm still asking as well one more thing. Boost in what you think the big meta story in linux is this year. Like the overall zoom way out story, this was the year of what in linux boost in.

So that way we can include your coverage in one of our year and episodes. And i'm kind of trying to get A A feel for what the audience thinks that might be. So the year of White.

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Well, this week you ve been flooding us with your excitement about a new dance thing you're playing with. But I gotten feeling it's not pio.

No, no, it's not. And it's not even at guard home, although those are both great offerings. And i've played with ad guard home a bit and i've definitely used by hole over the years. This is how do you think you say a technical um yeah .

that's what I was thinking. Again.

not the easiest to say. So IT loses on that count but the rest uh I think you might find IT interesting. I was kind of looking, Angel, to see, uh, what the options works as getting a home louder build set up after a few years of use in other solutions.

And technician come I I partially couched because I was package in nex. And this is gonna be a next box anyway um and IT seem compelling because, well, IT is a sea Sharon dnet SHE isn't great. That means it's super a cross platform on on windows, mac or linux, always on linux server.

But you ve got a windows server for some reason. Have that IT also armed rebel pie? No, definitely.

And just like IT seemed pie holes kind of a whole thing, right? Like if they have their own stuff, there's like the levers on A D N S mask. But read in there in D N S mask also. I just stock also a great option. And so it's kind of like it's a ad blocker first with a side of D N S and D H C P, whether I think technician is A D N S server with a side of D H C P N ad blocking, but not to those are not well implemented. But you know the focus is a little different yet has.

I guess, you'd say more power user DNS features.

But what struggle first is just looking like the package here. Annex is only a fifty nine files, basically just one build that says grab the source and build this dot net APP. And the module is about a hundred lines, which is really just setting up a single system d service. So that just struck me as like compared to something like pie hole, which I was probably going to have to run in the vehm or something. This was just simpler, me to understand what was going on.

I will say the doctor compose file about forty eight lies. So although there's a lot of comments in there, if you took out all the comments, it's a pretty simple docker compose, but it's a well documented docker compose. So either way you go, I don't think you don't have to be an expert either one of these either nicks or docker to get IT up and going.

And you know there are a lot of solutions these days. Two, you have like um you're one of traditional things like I don't know power D N S like high power D N S servers that have D H C P N ad blocking in plugins which in a way is what technical um is doing.

But technology um also is like ad guard home and I hn that IT how of the box comes with a nice little little website where you can see graphs and like look at what things are in your cash and what things have been blocked. Uh, it's also well, it's not unfortunately able to be easily like declarative vely configured from next, which would be nice. IT does have arrested. Pm, so I think you could do that right? Like have A A preston service and system bears something like are opposed, have some set of the use of the A P, I to restore your state, if you needed to.

But for the most part, functionally, the things I care about, i'm curious if I handles this is I want decent ad blocking, and I want A, I want A D H C P server that auto populates my DNA. And I might want like a split DNS set up, depending on how I have. My tailor can handle all that prety well.

Yeah, definitely. I mean, you can got, definitely got blocking. Yes, everything is blocking.

You can do text block. You ve got a text blocking report. You got okay. You can respond to any address or an external or a custom address if you want.

And I notice for blocking too, like you can subscribe like some popular blocking.

Yes, you've got a quick ad drop down for a lot of the common ones, but you can also just put in custom black list if you want. They also guide, you know just controlled for when you want, how often you want, and updated when the updated things like that. And then on the D N S side, they've got pretty sophisticated support built right in um you know can be both recursive and authoritative so you can do whatever you need to.

There also got a lot of some of the less common rf implemented. One that I like is d name support um which is like A C name record, but for a subdivide. So you can one thing you can do is if you want to, like kind of functionally aliens without IT being an aliens, been a little more clear what's going on this.

You can have A D M. Record from some internal host name. You're used to your tail.

that domain system. Uh, so essentially just ignore with the external DNF .

resolves as yeah right. So like I have to set up right now that this systems using nett so IT domain ed net dot cloud and I have a host name of internal map to that on the inside my network because .

most .

things have that right. That's like my flat mesh, so that's internal. But it's not only have pretty good support for setting up.

You set up a diverse set of zones, forwarding rules, right? You can also have stuff just forward to whatever DNS service. It's also got something called D N S apps, which basically like D N S plugins that you can add.

I haven't double too much in into these good example yeah here on point up the APP store. There's things like an advanced blocking, advanced fording. I think this is where if they also add stuff like uh split D N S is implemented in here ah there's waited round Robin if you do want a zone earliest they've got IT in here.

They've got support for if you want. Let's see here. They got a lot of of uh G O distance G O country drop request in as by rebinding protection block page if you want a block page way.

Yeah so present two.

If you getting really serious about that, you could break your own plug in in here as well.

Now I also so you mentioned a web ei, which that sounds like you're looking at right now, but that also has a command line interface. If you mess with that at all of you had to use that.

No, not yeah. But I have played with the A P, I, which is just kind of stand rest API and works quite nicely.

I notice they also support things like dn s over H G P S though.

Oh yeah, we've got. I mean, if they ve got a lot of that handled D N S over T L S, D N S over H B S.

do they do recommend to built in upstream DNA servers?

I believe they do. Really nice.

I'm looking at your screen. Shots you include in our dog is clean, simple, easy, obvious layout really. Ha.

yeah here i'm just checking here .

for the technical um technetium DNA over orders.

You can configure what what D, N S folders you want. quick. They ve got a quick select drop down, what the ford protocol dn s over U P T C P T N S issue to be as quick. I think the support they should be one, two and three.

Are you using that? Uses M Q T T, I C, M T T.

That would be .

the you there using M, T T to talk back to you. Guess so wild. Okay.

how about that? You can control the forward concurrency um IT dos seem to be, I do not need a super high performance D N S A for my home stuff. There they talk up on the get head that is based on acing IO that can serve millions of requests per minute, even on a commodity desk. PC hardware tested on intel I seven eighty seven hundred with more than one hundred thousand requests per second over gig about either that.

So I probably .

run fine on A P yeah, there's also robust support for proxy protocol, if you do and stuff like that late cy base name server algorithm that works with the concurrency feature. So also some advanced cashing stuff, like if you want to allow survey dail records, like if you have maybe know inconsistent internet, you know i'd rather just have that old record because I get IT begin at the moment.

That is actually a feature I would specifically use yeah uh that and being able to have internal systems have their split on resolution is really nice. The ability to create custom local network zones that sweet the D H C P C of immigration. So that way, when the machine, at least its host named automatically added to the name resolution.

is does he does the reverse points ords as well?

I love that. That is really nice. I'm curious what you would use a rest, A P, I for this kind of thing. Maybe graphs.

you or I think integrations with things you know like maybe have a three party system where you can get you know like if if you wanted a different way to integrate with your some VP intervention network, you could put the list to host names and IP es and feed IT in .

via arrest set up ohh, that be great for getting the server prepped and ready to go. Yeah, i'm with you.

Or if you have some like orchestration or automation and does not speak dn s, but can easily make like a curl commander, a python requests a call.

I'm kind of I feel bad that I haven't heard about this before. It's gpl three. It's been around for years, so I don't know. I have never heard of this before because IT looks really, really great. I could kind of make my pie hole look well, sort like amateur our, which I love my pile that I would like four, five years. But this is really this is clearly the way to go in the future.

Yeah, they do talk up that. They also have less rapier support, right?

So I see sap in the .

you total do that theyve got composed. There's a more just pretty only a few lines. So there's a lot, there was a lot, always get started. IT did, though, bring up an issue that was curious how you all handle k the ad blocking site is great, right? I mean, DNA blocking is is lovely, can do solve every problem.

but I can do a lot. And gis. Let me tell you when i'm on an lte connection, especially when the whole five five person households is on IT was on one L E.

It's so nice to save that band with. So that's one thing. Well, what's your question? Um well, I thinks that are you going there?

No OK, no, no. Um well, when you have uh, issues. So I think last week, two weeks ago, we are kind of complaining that might have been on the members.

I don't recall about the youtube bab, oh yeah, uh, specifically losing history. yep. Well, coffee or death in the matrix chat in love feedback, uh, posted the screen shot warning your watch history is not being saved. This most likely is caused by A D N S head blocker or network proxy to fix this White list, as on youtube dot com, or turn off all D N S blockers and proxies. So I nicely rode in in sort of a learn, even try I um so they want to test that he say ad blocking .

could be why sometimes the you to watch histories inconsistent .

yeah um and then I was separately from this. I was having an issue where when I switched isp and my last isp was still building me y've sense fixed that so it's fine they refunded me all that yeah um and but so I when I D first I was looking up all of my interaction records and all that right to make my case and when I first chat interacted with them I was just like the online web check yeah and then I went back and I was I didn't see how to get to support faces you can ever .

find IT yeah .

and I turned out that when I turned off D N S D. Locking with whatever list, i'd can figure at least a the chat pot right back up. So just maybe it's so is fine for me but like sometimes I even takes to me i'm in IT or for a different a long time to remember that I have that that is the thing that maybe I should .

yeah test yeah you don't think about IT when it's newark level so much. I think about IT more when it's a brothers extension, right?

And that made me wonder, like, is this something that I could recommend for a less technical friends, family like I thought about? Like, do I want to enable this? My fox has, but I feel bad if they left with broken pages that like maybe they mentioned to me or maybe they just sort of think that it's not working for some. They're no idea. Yeah, I could have been working.

Here's something where use the A P. I was is game a little bookmark let or something that just .

turns out now that's an idea. Oh yeah. Make IT an easy little .

sweet a button on the browse to book mark bar .

something maybe a background system d service that turns on in yeah, again.

they might not talk back on, right? Yeah yeah. So this I definite have this hit the family once or twice and I I .

haven't done a lot of testing yet to like, should I know? Can I get get a less strict? Like, yes.

maybe only one of two things need to be a Whitelees ted right? Family know. I think I recall IT IT impacted us once during learn from home, during covet something didn't load write, and once for something my wife was doing related to your business, the page didn't load right. And IT does take me way too longer. Remember that I have pie le because it's very rarely right?

It's so it's rare enough that you .

forget the most just works yeah as far as the youtube watch history, it's possible. But I kind of have phoo everywhere. So I never not watching you youtube without a block.

So and IT works both the time. I don't know. That's a great question. I'm curious what print thoughts are on deploying blocking to people that might not be even a where it's happening because you're right, IT does break thing sometimes.

Well, during the conversation, that was my main like I guess daydream was, oh yeah, i've wanted to apply A I hole that or something similar to my entire network here, but I do share the network with my brother and his wife and they're working from home now.

And sure enough, if things aren't working, I know how to diagnose that stuff, but that's not the case for them when they're just trying to get stuff done in my exact question was west as like for the few times that it's critical, you know I don't want to be responsible for this. So i've typically run something like that just for my own devices, but that comes with the whole other host of issues. So um I would love to hear people's experience with this.

Yeah people have this problem. Yes, that's a great question. I'll tell you my gut instinct is to air on the side of breaking things. And here's why I say IT, back in the day, I was the PC that we were really worried about getting attacked.

And so you put any violence on, you know, family members, computers, and you d run tools like sea cleaner and what not to keep them work and right? But h scammers have moved on and they recognize that everybody has a mobile device. And one of the best ways to attack a mobile device is D N S.

And ad crap in the browser. You need to do something that is applicable to mobile browsers and mobile devices and mobile episode, something usually at the network level of the DNS level. That's what. Or the other add network level, that's why I think IT is worth some kind of network level blocking because then you you're literally protecting every device on the network to some degree. And that to me seems worth the trade off.

Yeah and you know the privacy benefits as well. Yeah but that does .

also sound like the exact kind of thing you could have a take guy opinion on and then you go for real users and then you realize, oh crap, oh crap, oh crap. But IT also strikes me.

I just feel this more and more know just the divide between the people with technical know how and you don't right? Like we can live a totally different experience from we don't have ads and we to whatever content we need and the things are.

we have Better banned with Better internet experiences in general.

yeah. And then other people are left to sort of suffer with, like a freezing m account that cut s them off after thirty minutes and add spam.

And what page does IT does IT wash out in the end because the type user that you just said you know about the Better experience.

We're also the types es like you know have substitutions to feroni s and L W like we're more like the type to go support independent media where they're probably more like them just generalizing here, but they might be more like the type to go consume mainstream media and they don't have a way to support mainstream media directly, independently. They are supported by ads, right? Yeah there is that .

like we are aware that we're doing IT. That also means we take other measures to make sure supporting where we think.

And I think we we probably skill, on average, towards more independent outlets that have means of supported true. And so if you gave this power to everybody, they might not even be aware of that dynamic. So that is a tRicky thing. This the tRicky thing, let's know you think. The black friday sales going on for one more week, the face might be over, but the sale continues.

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And now IT is and now IT is time for the boost.

And our bar booster this week is from mr. Wine ego, who came in with fifty thousand sets. Using the breeze APP, which is a real nice way to get started, he says, plus one for former user of arch to neos conversion lapped up gaming P, C and even nas. Nas seems like a slam dunk really does. I'm curious how the gaming PC went because of illusion c here.

I had a bad experiences this weekend.

I've had a really good experiences, but I had a bad experience with the next box on game. Even know if I don't think it's because of next, but IT was running next. Sometimes things just go sideways.

So why legal? Thank you very much for the boost. If you want to check in and be curious to hear about your experiences, is there appreciate that menu .

comes in or with the granddaddy ducks looking up for all my duck hello from new zea love the six twelve th cornal coverage super interesting and helpful.

Okay, to know you know what a that boost means a lot more than you might think. That's the kind of signal we love to get to kind of give us directions to go in the future. And it's exactly the kind of episode that doesn't get a lot of boost because there is not a lot to discuss. There is just what IT is, matter of fact. And so there's not a lot for people to think their teeth in and tell us they like IT.

So then we missed out. We were not sure how land.

Yeah exactly. So thank you. Meter that that means a lot recited the mcduck ks use are twenty one, fifty four, six, five, four. One came in with a charge, a boost that's five .

thousand sets you most.

I recall some conversations regarding training voice models and be able to train your own voice model. Well, network connect just released a fantastic video to accomplish this to integrate with home assistant for voice control. I've heard people talking about, I record Chris was interested in being able to create a voice model based on his own voice.

I was able to train an onic's model using the piper tt s. There's interest. Check out the video in that works posted titled I failed in the last video. It's such a youtube or thing, you know, you know what is incredible. And replicating my voice is google's no book I am he does love you.

You can tell the you can give IT no sources, so just say like paste, give IT no for the source and then just ask you to talk about button of fast and linux as a single host. You're probably get me there's a good chance you will get my voice in remarkable fidelity IT even IT Normally does IT replicate my voice, but IT even replicates the audio wave forms of our audio to extend its if you get IT. And there's two hosting there when the switches to my voice opened up in an audio vedda.

And look at the way from differences. One looks like a jb pog test. One looks like something a lot quieter. It's really something. And so my wife, she's planning to ask you when he gets here for the showers, st, how to get no book? I M to say things like, i'm sorry, you were right SHE rash so she's going to a few pointless when you get back jaakko .

comes in with two thousand. What is the member room?

The member room. Do I say I like that. Do I have an exit? That is the mumble room?

M U M B L E. IT is an open source .

audio ChatApp that supports different rooms with different permission structures. We have an honor and a quiet listening room. And IT uses the very high quality ops code can ever turned up to a nice bit rate.

So it's plugged in to our soundboard. IT gets a mix right off our sound board that goes into mumble, which is an open source APP. And then everybody in there can listen to the show live. If there in the on air room, they can take one of us in the chat room, the letter, and now they want to say something and we bring him into the show. Or like if you listen to the member version of the show, the bootleg carl was in their talking about what's coming up for stream ten and he just pops them and we can have conversation and because it's nice and low latency too.

Ah thanks for this. A great boost because um yeah we totally don't always actually explain what the heck that isn't just sort of assume people know .

you have been .

around for a minute our fault for using IT for six hundred that well not six hundred.

But yeah we could we should do a basics one time like I think a lot basic.

Well, pg dog boosted in three thousand, three hundred thirty three sets.

Good body.

I think those are geese. I want to vote for the steam deck as the best linux hardware device ever, hashtag.

oh, ever.

ever. That is okay. So it's not in .

the taxes this year because I didn't come out this year, right? I had to remove IT and IT did hurt because I do think it's still one of the very best devices. Peg, I agree with you, but we can.

This was I could not really conceptualize a great hardware list. You know, IT, last year we had banger after banger of hardware releases and this year to five, five um oh three, four yeah the age four I think maybe that's on there. There is just IT hasn't quite been a banger of a year for releases.

So doesn't mean there's not good linux hardware.

No yes, fears like a problem. Actually we were. And with the death and flaking stuff, all that seems nice.

But other lead times .

right updates have longer. And yeah maybe .

one day brand, maybe one day open source account is back with two thousand sets i'm all be using the promo could reverse black friday boys, which increases my membership by thirty percent of those dirty feet. coupon. amazing.

I love this. thanks. Open account. So it's great to hear .

from you that comes in with seven thousand, six hundred and fifty or, oh my god, this shoes. I enjoyed the geno S. R.

Y. Cap as I switched about the same time here. Oh, great. No, i'm kind of curious what you instream music has. A V I music has stopped working recently, cancer to for any songs, but i'm hoping they get IT fixed soon.

That's rough. I hate you when you get all built, done a music system, and then that goes away. I'm in a bad place, so maybe I should go last and a brand, do you i'm sure you have some sort of wholesome offline flag.

the solution, right, man? So you've got me pinned properly, which is I typically have not had streaming solutions, but our dear lovely drew got me on to title, which is like that high five music streaming service yeah, yeah and I was like, oh, I don't know, i'm going to use he like, do I got a family like plan? Just tried for a little bit of.

if you like, IT.

he says, and it's sad for months like installed on my phone and I never used IT, but then he just like kept sharing great music with me with title links. So IT only works like in their and true, alright, I will do this for you. And I was like, about a year ago.

year and half ago, you like IT.

I gotta say i'm slow to the party. IT is kind of nice. But i'm hesitating because we did just build that new server over here, uh, that we mentioned recently.

And I got a ton of music and flags, as you know. And some of the music i've been getting into recently is stuff that's in my catou e from like a decade ago. And so I think I can do Better. I think I can do Better. But that, unfortunately, is what I missing for streaming, which is a title I would say.

no, really great. Better when I do. Yes.

well, okay, well, I will say I continue to stack flags. And if an artist that I like has an album count, they sell flags on the website. I will try to buy IT I love the but right now I am not actually listening to those first because i'm already pay for youtube premium. And I used to use google play music and I uploaded a lot of flags back then yeah so I have kind of just been stuck on youtube music, even though I have issues, many issues with that.

so.

This has been a good case.

I also have youtube premium and I find that youtube, well, I first, if I refused you spotify because of whether trying to do part yeah so spotify have taken off the table. I use you to music the APP to discover new songs which IT is Better at than anything else i've used. I have this title, and then what I do is I create a list of songs I really enjoyed.

And this really, really good, shameful. I go over the apple music because, you know, on paigning for the old family, have fricken apple stuff, and they have a find out for android. And I go in the apple music, and I actually downloaded my best, my favorite tracks in there because they sound so much Better than youtube music.

Apple music sounds so much Better than spotify. I don't know about title, but I can absolutely hear the difference. In fact, the brand and I will sometimes sit here on the stream before we are going and will a be on to be like brand, which one is the youtube music and which .

one is the apple music? I.

yeah, if you can, A B IT, even over remote connection.

you couldn't make me your pain for help.

No, no, maybe you should do title, I don't know. And I I don't really have the energy of time to like collect whole bunch of flax as and sort of and if I could somehow like as i'm listening, I like this and that would trigger some sort of down the back. I don't maybe who you trigger me with this one. Wu.

we need a pinch flight music. Yeah.

it's like you need an APP that converts between all of them. I don't know if such a thing exists, but are you are you like taking the song manually and punching into the other music? So find you yeah, that sounds yeah, after I ve ve listened .

to IT a few times and it's all my life frequently, but I just moved over. And then when I really want to rock out, I played from the apple music. You know, you could discover I use you to.

you could play IT in youtube music and then you should, sam, to recognize IT. Link to apple.

please. Oh, I know. And yes, I have youtube music turned up to high quality. I don't can barely hear a difference between regular quality and high quality told the truth. I don't know.

I think that is pretty variable, able to, depending on the where I was source from you know.

h all right, why hip came in with road ducks? Hui says, I notice running my own, ali have requires some out of my budget initial investment. Here's my first boost from breeze. Well, nice pivot.

I think that is a work called out too, because that is kind of a nontrivial investment to get a yeah.

you need at least a little bit to get liquidity started.

That's the main thing. Yeah, you have like almost prepaying for future boost. So if you don't have that, that you want to spend on a product project.

no problem. That's where breathe B R E E Z really comes totally.

I think it's the niceties that we have so many options. You know, for people I really want to diggin deef. They can certainly make that investment. But if you don't want to, you don't have to.

And I believe people are connecting alby hu B2Coin OS, which might be doing liquidity for them. And then you don't have to manage with that at all. I just have to that.

Well, on the opposite end of the spectrum here, spectrum is moved in with five thousand ads. You buy other podcast index. It's so funny this week k's episode was about albee.

I just set that up. great. Well done. It's really encouraging to see so many in the audience willing to take .

the self host draft yeah we know it's I mean boost in general already heard and you know so suppose to you in the whole thing .

even more so so but like if if we are not the people that will do IT who who who will so awesome you can that so it's just so incredible.

I will say it's really need I was trying to explain this to my family over thanksgiving. I'm not sure how that worked, but just no because when you establish you set up your help, we ever whatever you're setting up the channels, those are on chain transactions. And so there you are waiting for the decentralized system to get to your stuff yeah and then your server spends up and at all work.

It's need IT is what cave man, sixteen, boosted in ten thousand cats.

Did you buy that from a certified adventure?

I'll be gym future. I didn't even know about that. And that totally solves a problem for me.

Keep trucking with all those boosts. And heard verkan from last week, boost segment totally stole my home network name. Why is that my s society?

It's good as an else get。 That's why it's good else. I um you know that is really fantastic. So the alb gyi m feature, just quick recap, is the ability to essentially create a small hub for somebody else.

So you set up out by yourself and then you can create like sub nodes and they use your liquidity. But it's totally private. It's therefore you don't get access to the funds and makes IT really easier for people to get started.

Thank you. Up for the boost gave mended sounds like an interesting story. Lemons comes in with two thousand, five hundred sets.

Hi, test you out. alby. Hub that I just installed on my own rates service.

wow. Hope at all works. Thanks for the interesting show. How about that? great. It's so great.

All in exchange, your boots in with ten thousand and sets with l by hob shutting down, I need a new lightning service. I just want something that can send booyah. I don't need you to play podcast, really do anything else, just blues expose.

If I did other things, that would be fine too. I'm not worried about self custody really since you will only have some pocket sets boosting. Keep up the great work .

that does that look a job for breeze? Um and I do think you'll find there maybe web based ways in the future. So you don't have to worry about apps at all. You just go to where page and do IT. I think there's a few different options there in the works, uh but I would say try out B R E easy right?

Yeah, at least that way. You know I mean that you then you got a lighting wallet. Yeah, go and connected.

The key component is at least for now is right. That needs me to read the R S. That's where breathe snakes in the ability to add a podcast. And you can technically play IT, but it's really there is that way .

you can boost karoo paradox sent in a spaceballs boost.

So the combination is one, two, three, four, five.

That's a one, two, three, four, five to totius to say .

boost boast. Yeah, thank you. Jaso came in with three thousand sets.

come in half with the boom.

And I hear is a vote for void linux for distro of the year. Hh, been a long time once we've heard somebody coming here.

but I still go and .

just go look at you, go every time I switch away and only takes a few days before I find myself for installing. Nothing beats the lean, mean, Green little distro. I've had the same install in my desktop for the past three years, and I haven't had any major issues between updates also.

Segmental misses you. The last meet up was a blast. Please come back.

I would love to maybe, you know, for scale, let's get back to the set. We swing by the sack for a little bit. Pick up A P.

J. Do a little. Meet up there. I love that idea. We should get a ordinate on that because we're going to be on, I would assume, driving, we may fly IT may actually be more economically to fly, but let's take the train.

That would be awesome.

Yes, I really does IT take longer, especially with the way .

brand drives. I wouldn't be driving the, oh, I see, which was say, yeah, hey, it's the fuel economy. I did IT records.

Yeah, that's true. I just you know the measure thing and move horsepower. And all right, well, well, let you know.

We'll see maybe we can make something happen in the sec. thanks. Just goes good here from you.

V max comes in with sixteen thousand sets across four boosts. Okay, just a test boost here. But next up would consider alby hub, but i'm a bit concerned about painting a target on my home lab. Do you have putts on security and things like open ports?

Um so here's how we've solved that problem and I don't know how everybody would solve IT this way. We don't have any amount ts on our firewall. I mean that what we do have is A V P S that runs engineered that then forwards the traffic over our toilet. Two are lightning note and that just as several parts might .

actually just be direct N, F tables for IT, well, there's an and as oh, right for the right yes.

there's engineers for a couple of the web apps, I think but yeah, you're right enough tables so it's really simple and that way we don't have to expose our land public. I P and everything's worked fantastic for .

months IT also um don't know about I have a particular but a lot of lightning stuff has uh build tour support. You run a tour so you can do a tour. Only node there can be that can be reliability issues there, depending clear that is recommended, especially if you wanna like a lot routing or something. But a good, good work for you.

Yeah thanks for the boost.

Oh yeah here we go to anyone considering breeze. Keep in mind um the boost character cap can be kind short, also shout out to the south of discord. Really a nice group .

that is true. They really are and very highly.

Now gm bean comes in with four boost this episode, six thousand, three hundred and sets in total.

This is a tasty burger.

I have a taxi observation. Best power C L I tools sounds like power C L I would be a great, okay, also, taxis, a best power C L I tool. Vote is a lazy git.

Shout out.

That's a good one. Now, I like this. Do not only coming up with a good suggestion, but like help and fill IT out. Yes, I like that double the .

work also as a suggestion here for O S. Hey, we just use home assistant in O S. That makes home assistant super easy and reliable.

IT released their recommended way to use IT. But you know, yes, you may want to .

do IT differently.

And maybe how be saying jean bean was right?

Well, genie has one. The last comment here for U. S. Have you considered packaging pinch flat for nicks instead of just making a flake dog in myron? A flag is great. Just curious with the flake route, maybe the project owner would accept IT as A P. R.

yeah. true. I not not. Let's a good idea. I'm not a person that I should get finished.

It's a good reason to make IT sort of package style anyway, so that maybe the delta can be small. Yeah, I like the way you're thinking. And thanks for thinking of me .

and chant tips. Je, it's good to hear from you gin from ticks in here with two thousands. S chri tried O S S documents.

Canner about two years ago, wasn't advanced as IT is today. So I took a subscription with the flat s that I don't regret. However, I just tried O S S document scanner, which is something I recommended last week, and it's much Better now.

Now I know about obtuse eum. I've used IT since last year, but I notice some perhaps on the play store or now more up to date than they are on github. Sometimes for weeks is at least been true for Greenwald proto on mail.

And we yeah isn't that funny? You would think they get to be a place where you have the year, but I imagine there's a lot as lot I don't know if you call them legacy, but pipelines where the you the most considered artifact was this propriety APP .

store and the just one of the output.

right? So much like f droid has been a secondary less tended to think, yeah, if you aren't primarily using good habit away or it's like trivial to automate that and you have them, yes, maybe there's someone work to do.

I have Green wallet and I have not noticed IT, so I think I don't care. You know, I like that.

It's a good approach.

You know longer I get IT within a few months. I think I have yeah.

you're not missing features that you need to use.

So I could see former in for a bit like a brand new vic that is something really cool, but i'm pretty, pretty solid actually installed. We'll see I think another way. But it's good to know if I would have defaulted, jim, just to think that have been used in greatest get up. But you .

read a good point. okay. So now we need like another APP that checks which place has the most up to date version with preference only there .

some sort really way to syndicate information if only red .

five d came in with a row of ducks. I set up my L, B hub too, when I got that email. But well, but now i'm wondering if there's any benefit to using that instead of just my fountain wall.

Aside from fully controlling IT myself looks like ali hub is configured by default, not route other transactions. So without some tinkering, there is not even the benefit of making a few sites occasionally from routing transactions. So as an individual who mostly only send sats, i'm considering migrating away from IT. Good idea.

Now I think it's reasonable. I mean, found and does the work for you. And you know this is if you really just use IT for boost in streaming sets, I don't think there's any reason not to use fountain.

Where I draw the delineator is, if you want, there is an entire ecosystem now of not just noster applications, but websites that authority with your lightning ID, there is an increase and their good APP. There's a lot of them and they are good apps. And you can tie them all, dear alby hub, and you can set budgets for the individual apps.

And IT is a pretty slick integrated system. We've was like a transfer ript service count besides the just connected and .

authorized by my alby hub. And I can just send them M P three and they transcribe before me is great. Uh but if you're not participating in that ecosystem and you really just want to be a boost and stuff like that let found to do the heavy lifting product, they're gona give you a ln ural lighting interest that works with apps like strike and cash up and they're going to handle the liquidity for you. So they make IT really easy. So i'll be my recommendation read.

Thank you for the boost. What's the boosting with twelve thousand, three hundred and forty five seconds?

Yes, that's amazing. I got the same combination of my luggage from mountain.

In fact. All right, all right, you convince ed me to try home. good. IT is awesome.

So posting on a hyper v server, I was running with tail scale so I can get to IT everywhere. good. Just need to sort out the D N S. now. Also, have you found A D I Y option for a skylight frame calendar APP, or something like that for the kitchen?

And I have not tried to solve that problem. I have daydreamed about that. Tell you my kind of not as elegant hack is I have several tablets that are throughout the home that are used to control home assistant interface in each tablet has a custom dashboard for that room.

And so I could see doing a homesites m dashboard that just has the counter and bedded, and there's a lot of options there. And that might be really simple because I could just tie and any back end I C S. File or probably even a google calendar or something like that if you want to do so.

That could be a way to solve IT, but there's probably so cool ways to solve that. If anybody has any suggestions, please do let us know. Hybrid sarcasm comes in with five thousand sets, you suppose.

Well, what do you think about my workflow, next cloud for markdown or taking? He emailed in the self hosting about this too. There is a couple of nice ways to use markdown in next cloud.

And I have a notes, the notes APP in there that I use everything I document in markdown, where I find IT to be kind of not as ideal, but it's still usable. But not as ideal is when we're looping in a third party for one particular episode. And so what we use and you could run this or you can do something built in the next cloud, is h dogs, their hedge dogs.

And its a really nice APP that you can self host that, uh, has a simple little database. And IT is a real time collaboration markdown editor. I think I prefer to some of the real time collaborative options in next cloud.

Where next cloud, to me, seems like would really shine is if you're working with the same group of people a lot, you all have credentials and you kind of already in the next cloud world, that's where you really would plug in nice and then you could take advantage of all the other things like user count permissions and sharing and some of the quick action workless stuff. That's that's where next that I think would have a touch up in. My hi boys, I love that. We had a small boost from murray, from albee. He .

listened to that's great. Make sure things work. I also see some focus sending some bug boost for found.

Yeah okay, good. I'm still I have a weekly menu. I now up to weekly again.

So if you have any bugs, boost in and it'll be catching them, so i'll grab those for later. Thank you. Everybody who boost in that, everybody above of the two thousand.

And that cut off for time. We had fifty three of you stream sats as you listened. So you sad streamers helped stack fifty, five thousand, five hundred and eight, eight sets.

No, when you combine that with a good folks that also chose to boost in, we stacked a grand total of two hundred and thirty eight sets, two hundred thirty eight thousand, I should say, in six hundred and ninety one set. Not like a huge barn burner for us, but not often either. As we round out the year, we appreciate these more and more. Of course, all of these will be going towards boost ties as well.

which be coming up later in the year.

The part I like total unique centers.

seven, four, that is great. Those are red audience members.

seventy four of you, that really make a big difference. If you'd like to participate, you can just get something like fountain fountain FM, then top IT off with something like the strike up. Just suggest you a few easy ways to go, and then you can start boost to and right away.

But if you'd like to go to self host to dg, go listen to our episode last week where we talk about albius b in the hole that you can hear people are getting going. Whole thing can be self hosted using a entirely free software stack. And of course, thank you to our members who support us with their support on autopilot becoming a member that, like friday's e is still going to check that out at index on plug dot com slash membership.

Now I gotta pick for you speaking and of cloud that I have sort of helped round out the replace I cloud functionality. And one of the things in ice club that I thought work really well is you could set a reminder on your internet phone, and then over on your apple macintosh, you can open up the reminders APP, and the same reminder would be there. And my goodness, if you were brave enough, you could even go to the reminders web page and I cloud, guess what? That same reminder would be there.

And you can replicate this with several google services. You could use things like keep, you could use things like task inside gmail, what not? But I don't want to use the google ecosystem.

I wanted to solve this using my next cloud q system. And I want to be able to set a reminder on my linux test, top market done on my android phone. That's my goal.

Yeah, and that's where errands comes in. Iran is a to do application that is fairly simple. IT lets you make multiple task less.

You can ad, remove an edit text and have sub text manage that. You can have accent colors, reach test, and you can think IT with next club dragon drop in there, and also imports I C S. files.

So this really works. And I use IT on multiple machines, all thinking to my next cloud. And then I use task, the open source task up. I think you can find an after rod, which also thinks to my next cloud on my pixel seven.

I like this APP. I am trying to right now, i'm just making some notes for what we do, what we are going to do after the show, and it's really smooth.

Yeah yeah, you can use IT without next thought. If you just want to use IT as a local task at iran, will just work locally as well or sink to another code v provider. But IT is give IT your it's so like just give IT the U R L of your next club over in click sink and then IT pulled in all of them. And then I just went through this for the day and mark stuff off and then I checked on my phone .

and share and up pop, yeah and I didn't make me, which is not just let me like just start can making things but yeah hear over in the settings there's the sink provider. You ve got next cloud or count off okay.

yeah it's A G T K. application. But I I have had no problem using IT on my plastic fired up also on my now forty seven time. And I just looks right at home.

It's the good kind of G T, K application, I think, where it's like minimalist, but in a very effective way that does not feel like you're the private of features. You know.

from the screen shot here, IT looks super nice. And but the one thing that sticks out for me the most is the download size under eight max. It's refreshing to see an application that's just super me to mean that is refreshing.

Of course, you probably depends on some flat pack dependencies that are like three hundred max, but that's how should work that once you have that stuff installed.

you only need to once, right? Sorry, it's packaged in.

You aren't probably yeah.

let's check to check.

amazing. All right. Well, so you got to check out the technician DNF server IT just sounds absolutely amazing. Okay, yes.

that isn't the air, of course.

keep your ears peeled for more news on project banana, a kd, linux and gomo s when they're ship in something that's getting close, you know, your boys here are going to be kicking the tires. And then last, but not at least, please go fill out the taxes. We want as many represented in there as possible.

IT is taxes dot party. We will have a link in the show notes. And in last but not least, what was the big thing in linux this year? IT was the year of what? Please boost that in and tells your thoughts on that because or stack in those answers for the future episode.

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Live long and prosperous. All right. Thank you, drew. I think that's everything that boys.

I believe IT in.

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