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Welcome to the back power users. I'm David Sparks, joined as always by my friend, and you're Stephen hacket. Hello, Stephen.

David. How are you?

Good, good. I am looking forward to today show. We're going to be hitting some feedback. There's a lot going on new inform max, a bunch of other stuff to discuss can hardly way to get started.

Yeah a lot of stuff today and on more power users, which is the ad free longer version of the show that would do each and every single week we're going talk about your new cable managment strategy. You've gone down a rabid hole and I I think I never going to follow you down IT, but want to get a status update on how that's going. Yeah, that'll be at the end of the show for our members.

I think even you will follow me. I think it's inevitable, but we're going to talk about that. But before we do anything, let's talk about those new max that have been shipping the last year week.

So h the summarized in four has arrived. We got IT on the ipad and now it's on the mac. Um there is an infor imac still with its same ice cream. We think at the big imac um there is an info and an info pro macbook pro and there is an infor mac mini. And the mac mini we just have to to stop and acknowledge got a new design and man is a cute.

It's really, really cool. I mean, I think out of all of these, the mac many is the the exciting one because it's only the third form factor in the twenty year run of the mac. And you have the original one then you had in twenty ten.

They switch to the unibody, that first unibody mag. Many still had a optical drive that was the design that they had just retired now just a couple weeks ago. And especially the apple silicon era. IT isn't didn't need to be that big. You this is not apple shrinking something just because they could like the this computer is Better for being smaller and they're not compromising anything like they still have the infor pro in there, which is an incredible powerful system on a chip.

Yeah, I mean, I was spacious inside the old one and and there was a lot of a lot of room and there so you've had the story about Steve job taking, like when they were designing the ipod, they would bring him a prototype and he throw IT into a fish tank. And if IT bubble.

he tell him to go work on more so I know that.

but but I mean, if if you had thrown them prior generation mac, meaning to a fish bowl, there be a lot of bubbles .

you may have floated honestly, like was a lot of air there .

yeah but I mean they did um on the design of that let's just talking about that for a minute. So they did a couple things interesting. They put two USB c ports on the front of IT, which I think is is absolutely the right call as a max studio owner ah I find those two ports just so useful.

I am always plugin into them but not always plugged into them if that makes sense. Um i'm a little less excited about the idea putting the audio, the headphone cable or jack in the front yeah and I understand why they did IT make sense, like if you're wanted to occasionally plug headphones in. But you know the speaker, I don't even think of that.

This is how the speaker and IT I know that the max video IT has a pathetic speaker and IT guessing it's even worse probably in the mac mini. So you want to plug this in on your desk to external speakers. I think just about anybody who buys one of this is probably going to do that. And now you're going to have to stick IT out the front of the device. I I don't get that decision.

Yeah it's it's a bit oh, I think you know maybe their thoughts. Ts are people people gna have headphones, and if you have a studios display, if speakers built in, but it's a little weird. I think if you are gonna have this wire to audio all the time, you can get a little headphone extension without a ninety degree jack on IT so that you can neck the cable around.

It's a little weird to look at IT.

Yeah, it's still looking at IT. And if you mounted under your desk like like I had a max studio, I had mounted in the three printing thing under the desk, then you have iconic content with that. And like is is sticking outis.

It's a little unusual, but I think it's at the end of the day, like I think this design is really awesome. I went to the apple store yesterday to see if you know an advance of recording today. And IT looks like a like a max studio that just got left in the driver too long.

It's a max studio, but it's closer to the apple way, way closer to the apple T, V. In size effect. This makes the max studio look gargan next to, yeah, it's really, the pictures really don't do IT justice. And if you have an episode nearby, next time you're the orgasmic, your head in there because they really drastically changed the way this product looks.

You know, I am not upgrading. I don't need one. I've got a great into max studio. I I tell you when IT comes time up, great. I could see myself using a mac mini. The the thing that puts breaks on that for me is probably the I O, because I use all reports on the next studio and and this has few reports.

Yeah I think I think people like you would need a some sort of thunder ball dog like the cow digit or O W C. Just a, has they got a black and they have announced done about five ones. If you have a macro pro, I think that's probably where a lot like more power user people will be.

I need some sort of dog, but I think for most, like the mac, money is so interesting. Jason's snell term came with this term years ago. And it's so smart that the mac money is the like the escape, like the the scape valve escape patch for the the mac line .

because yeah because .

you can just do anything with IT, right? And some people just gonna IT in an office, just as like a basic, you know, sort of office machine, or at home as as a shared family computer. You know, i've got a mac money under my television, I have a base in one, a mac mini, and i've got a thunderbird dock attached to IT because I ve got a bunch of S, S, D.

Signing off the back of bit for a various reasons. Yeah but you know this thing is is flexible, like if you need a docks is not that big of a deal because it's a desktop computer and you're going to stash your dog somewhere on on or under your desk. But for people who are just going to use IT out of the box with the studios display or something, i'm sure to be fine.

And I think it's just I think it's really interesting in that they spend the time and the effort to do this on a machine in the grand scheme of things, are something like three out of every four max, older, no books. So one out of four is split between the mac pro, the mac studios, the imac in the mac mini. I don't know what the makeup is in there, but any time any of those machines get attention, I think it's a good day as is a fan of destroying .

x yeah and I continue get emails from people saying, well, when are they going to bring back the big imac and IT feels to me like this, mac minis, the answer to that question, yeah, you know, never. They want you to buy a little tiny puck in a separate screen and then run them dependently, which honestly, you could, I know you would hate this, Steven, but you could easily leave alco this to the back of a screen. strange.

Catch your imac. It's it's just it's so cute and little. And there are some benefits to IT. Stasi labs has a great video where they did deter down. And IT is not as integrated as as we expected, which is good, right?

Yeah interesting because the the max studio is the same way where the storage is actually a separate component inside the machine. Now there is a bunch of cavy out with that. It's not like on A P C, where you going to like buy goodbye, you know and then got two S S D from best buy and plug in the controller and not the logic is on the system on a chip.

And the maximum is basically the same way. There have been efforts um particular by a one person who goes online. Uh their handles dos dude have done a lot of work around getting storage components onto like onto the market where you could upgrade this yourself.

But this is not A A drop in buy a new S S D and put IT in kind of situation. But the door is open a little bit. So that super interesting. And the other thing i'll say, but the S S D O on topic with this, if we got some details about this in a feedback g about this, because some of the m two and in three max, the base S S D option actually behind slower on modern max, most of the time the S S D are actually two different drives and they put them together and software and in firm where you don't ever have to think about that.

But the benefit is its faster and on these low and max apple for a couple of years now has just had one one storage device and so IT runs at slower speeds. And so for instance, the two hundred and fifty six gig you know mp care may run at x speed and the five hundred and twelve the store to be twice as fast. They have remedy this in the in four lineup and including on the mac, many of infected on his tair down, a quins teared down.

The link is in the shown. He shows like, oh, the two fifty six module is actually two one hundred and twenty eight gig modules kind of glue together. And so if you get the base storage IT, it'll be nice and fast, which is great. That was a was a kind of a doubt limitation of cheap max. And i've got theyve fixed that .

yeah I got an email from a lazer who has at he said if I get the two fifty six, i'll be at eighty percent capacity. You think that's okay and my answer was no. Like you want this computer to last you a long time if you're already a eighty percent capacity, yeah you've got IT upgrade.

And and I know it's ridiculous how much apple charges for the those those increases. Trust me, I know but but you really should be approve the device because. What's gona happen if you get IT on the edge of not enough space is that you're going to end up buy a new one a lot sooner than you would otherwise.

It's unlike the old days we used cracked open and you know throw a new heart driving, doesn't that way? Yeah even these where it's kind of addressable. It's like if you get IT in, how do you get the system to recognized that? I just feels to me like the whole thing is pretty if he, that you're going to be able to user swappable storage.

I I would not buy one of these without in mind down the road. And I think yeah I think even if IT becomes feasible, like tearing this thing apart is beyond the skill level.

Lot of people in I think playing ahead um you know youth said something I want to uh to circle back to like you is a mac studio user like kind of eying this because the in four pro is really good and like if you go read the reviews on six colours IT really seems like this time around the road chip is the sweet spot. The max is there if you need a lot of more GPU cores or in some products, getting the max unlocks. Other things are additional ramp r storage, but that infor pro is faster than the m one max.

And I think it's I don't have the numbers in front of me basically on par or faster than the m one ultra. Like someone like you, David, like you'd probably need a dark, but you may be able to get away with this now yeah, now what are you running now? What is your max studio configuration?

It's an m two with the m two max. yeah. Concern with thirty two.

Give about over him. But just to be clear, this seeks reams. I mean, there is I have zero interest in updating. I was thinking about IT. I think the next time i'll even consider upgrade is when they get to an m six studio.

Yeah I mean if if they're following student, I going to grade the studio with each iteration which is found by me um but you know when I gets in six, i'll look at IT and and Frankly, even then i'll look at the whole question like do I need a studio? Could I get by with a mini? Do I want to do the Stephen hacky thing or I just get a laptop or no, I have no idea. But what I can say is i'm very happy with my two studio, and I am, and I think i'm good for quite a while now.

Yeah, that's the story of apple silicon, right? That most people like the one and them two are still just banger machines. And yes, there there was true with the inter as there are always people the highest and who are gonna upgrade more often because they really are pushing these machines and there are still workflows and people who you know they need the maxon and are waiting for the ultra, those sorts of users.

But for most of us ah the new thing is not necessary. I I know there was a bit of a hub bub uh there their husband for several years like White as apple compare these machines to tell mine in their key notes. So I going they kind of punching down like oh, the new mac care is six times faster than the last until mac care.

Well, they do that because there's still a beginner, an intel max out there. And I think apple knows that for a while. The upgrade cycle, an apple silicon is not going to be from people who already have apple silicon machines, is gonna be people who are still using intel machine.

If I guys spoke to somebody just today, a friend of mine, I didn't know this. I would have been intervened a long time ago. He's on a twenty fifteen macbook pro. He's a good thing in its time like he had did like the twenty fifteen macbook pro was a really good machine. Really, really good is before the thunder able touch bar wireless like dude go get like the base fourteenth mac book pro because he he wants to see mine a couple things that the air doesn't have is like the base in forma pro will smoke IT. The performance difference between your machine and a one is not even funny like .

yeah and .

and that's that's who apple selling these two. Now it's not I don't think there's many people trading in an m one imac for an in four imac. You know I mean, you know there are .

great machines and they're hopefully gna last a long time. And in any time you buy, this can be a little Better. And it's it's impressive the performance improvements you've seen in for over prior iterations of the apple illan.

I felt again for as a nice is a good jump here. Incense like IT could make sense to upgrade, and I am wants to earn them too if depend on the work you do. But for me, it's not necessary and i'm not even sure if it'll be necessary when they get in six because, you know, I I do a lot of video production, but this thing rips through IT.

I mean, I don't I don't know. I I think if I had to think about the one issue, I feel like I probably made a mistake on this. And I got thirty two gig, a bit of an or or a memory, his apple calls IT.

I have to learn that. But I do think in the future is A, I becomes more important. And on chip, A, I becomes more important.

Moran was going to be a definitive improvement. But ah I don't don't mean I don't think i'm gonna that interested in a new mac or quite a while. One thing on the mac, many before we leave though, because I just have to mention this, another labs members sent me this link. It's the cutest third print i've seen a long time yeah IT turns your mac mini into a mac mini pro you wants to describe IT even .

yes so this is put together by Jerry um I think as a listener we chatted on mid on for a while um about this. I link to five topics also and he made note so this you three print the thing and you slot your information mini into IT and IT makes IT look like the cheese greater, makes IT look like the the current mac pro and there's even an option uh for wheels uh or you can do feat. Uh, it's adorable.

And a friend of mine uh locally is uh is actually going to be upgrading to one of these new mac mini. He's he's been holding out for a new mac mini and I sit him to link again like if you want this opponent for you so fast, like I will make this for you if you want IT um it's just it's a lot of fun. Yeah.

I love what people are doing with the 3d models in these tiny max。 There are some good mac, many ones as well, and i'm sure see even more. And me, can you imagine like federico's thing where he's got a laptop slash mac slash ipad? I feel like this small foreign tor opens up options .

for things .

that to really yeah gonna fun real quick on the four macbook pro even talked about that much, but it's generally the same design, right? I mean, it's just faster chips inside .

yeah and I think that's fine. There's also been some claiming people like go when they going redesign the mack process like you have been three years. I settle down and I think the macropore someone who has used to fourteen years for two years um as as main mac, the matter per design is excEllent, like the port selection is really good.

I do not care about the thickness and wait in this machine is like we were all claiming for apple to make thicker machines with Better battery life in the until days they did IT. And now you want the opposite, like settle down, like they're really good and the screens are incredible and you get lots of I O and yeah, that the microphone is in a really good place. And IT really feels like like I was just kind of think about, like what would I have them change on the macbook pro? It's really hard to come up with a list beyond at face I D like after I get to them like honestly, I think the design totally works and I think they're going to keep for a long time.

Yeah it's a you know it's a generational update. It's not a uh, a big change. The big change this time was was the mac many one hundred percent.

And I want to call out apple on something because we're good at calling out apple for being cheap, sometimes about not putting off memory and or no five gig bites of free storage. But the occasionally they they do the right thing. And they did IT this year um at the time these released simultaneously, they nounce at the in three macbook air now ships with the minimum of sixteen gig bites of memory.

And you know previous ously, if you have bought IT a few weeks ago, would have been active bites. In fact, when my daughter bought a new macbook year last month, I told her up great, specifically for memory was just getting back to that. A I think I was talking about earlier and apples aware with two. So now if you buying them three, the Price didn't go up. But IT does have more .

memory even Better than that, you can actually still buy a new m two map care. That's the one at nine ninety nine of the m three is ten ninety nine. The m two also got updated to sixteen gig bites of unified memory, uh, which is, which is awesome.

They did. They didn't have to go back and do that. And again, the Price of the same now, you know, wall mart has been selling like a seven hundred dollar version of the m one map.

Care that tells a giggs that's kind of a different market. But anything you get from apple now is sixteen gig bites a memory long past time. But I think a silicon I excuse me, I think apple intelligence finally kind of pushed ed this over the edge for them. Just great. Like for nine ninety nine or ten ninety nine, you get an excEllent macbook are and now you don't have upgrade ramp.

Yeah and I can see a world where they didn't do that, where they just left IT, as is you. And I appreciate that they but they do the right thing with the the memory on the prior generations. So let's cool.

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Okay, let's move in to some listener feedback. And we start with the topic of rs, which is always fun listener. Matt rode in a in uh a case to in any case, to avoid spending too much time domes growling.

I've been trying to read more V, R, S feeds in the excEllent and red APP on red APP is great. Just came to the mac in the last couple of school. Yeah i'm curious what arcs feeds you guys are following and kind of what you're general set up is. So what what are you using?

Read nice. Yeah, I we talked about IT when we did the R S. show. And I always go back and more people in reader and and read yeah, reader did an update. I just didn't really whatever didn't work for me yeah I I guess some .

feelings on that a second.

Okay, well, i'll let you talk about that. But i've always loved on red for what I call a combination of beauty and friction. Um historically I used R S S apps that made IT really easy to save articles to read IT later services and what not.

And i'd became like, that was the game I played like I didn't read anything. I just put everything into read IT later services. And then of course, I never actually read IT later.

So I just built a huge collection of articles I never read. So unread IT makes me so pretty to read in the APP that I read a lot in the APP. And if I want to say with to later, there's just a couple extra button pushes, but that's just enough friction to make me really think twice before I put IT in.

And now my read latter service has a lot more, has a lot more articles I actually want to read. I am like, list met. I am in with another red.

yeah. What are using on the back end? Using feed bin or fever? Lier, what's going on there?

Good question. I set them up so longer. So I forgot. I think we've been I think IT was really been. I said that.

But yeah cause for a while I was I tried IT with a reader I used. They had an internal service. But no, I think I think feedback in is my back end.

Yeah, that's what I use feedback in has this great trick where you can pipe an email newsletters because you get like a before back in the day the cn to ever note email address, you would get any like foreigner is great. More APP should have email things to me um but that's basically what feedin does. You get a custom saying then you plug that into you know whatever newsletter form filled do you want it's happened using feedin for a long time and yeah that's great.

I wanted to hear your thoughts in reader but also um just to look at this what is the other into this? What is your read later services days?

I'm using good links so I flooded with read wise reader is what they call IT.

It's ah yeah very powerful IT is very powerful.

I was a bit much for what I needed, so I can't went back to your links and i've been happy with that in good link has a great update where you can highlight in articles in exchange saint, which is really cool yeah good links is my so my read later .

I am like read wise reader is good. I am floating with good links because so many of my friends like IT and IT is really nice. So I I don't really have a final decision there. Yeah but right now i'm using good links and o and I would agree that this is a very nice APP.

Yeah, that's great. So i'm using feed bin and i'm using reader classic. And so what has happened here? The developer launched a new version of reader that is really like very different.

IT is not a traditional like R, S S client where you you know where you plug in your credentials to feed bin or something or use eyes cloud, it's really, really different. And IT, uh, you can you can add our service fees directly. But again, that doesn't sink when they think just IT just has a done I cloud thing that no external services, which is about a deal break up for me.

But IT also lets you pull in poddar sts or mass donor other social media accounts or h sub edits or youtube channels like IT is one of these apps that's trying to become like a universal inbox where you don't have to go around our budget. Different places. And I think that's interesting, but is not IT is not for me.

I would rather use a good dedicated podcast client. I would rather use a good dedicated method on client. I would rather use the youtube bi O S APP, then I have all of that very different types of media all in one place um but the old reader still around called a classic and the developer says is not going anywhere. Uh so that is a that's what i'm using. I've used IT for years and use IT across I O S, ipad O S in the mac.

Nice map continues. And curious what R, S, S fees you guys are following now, especially those that are news in twenty, twenty, twenty. You got any suggestions?

Yeah, three three came to mind. Two of them are new. One of them is newer to me.

Um first one is platformer written by casey newton. Ah it's a paid newsletter. IT wasn't sub stack now. Now he moved to ghost.

But IT really covers like the the intersection of like social media in like culture or social media politics cases is really well sourced. A great rider platformer is awesome. Um and the second one is four or four media, which is a new kind of in depth coverage of tech.

So right now they've they running a series on like flock cameras, which are these cameras you see in a lot of cities to x gain license players and talking about the privacy and security implications, that sort of thing. Four, four media free version and a paid version. I pay for IT.

I think it's great, really good, smart team over there. And then third one that I really enjoy ah that earnings have been writing this for a long time but I started last few years as tedium um and early rights. These like really in depth long form essays once or twice a week um about something in the technology world and it's really great and think he is a good job. A lot of interesting ideas on things. So those are three that are relatively knew to me that i've i've enjoyed.

I am going to check this out. Thanks for sharing. I have done something a little different about a year to go.

I realized I spent too much time in the apple news up, and while i'm not suspect table so much to the social media distraction, I think news distraction is easy for me. The algorithm figures out just to feat me enough to know, get me wound up to keep me there. So I decided I wanted to do a less of that.

And I put my money where my mouth is. I decided to subscribe to a few people who are publishing kind of created newsletters. So I have spent some money, and i'm supporting several writers now.

Mj segar mg singular, i'm sorry. Husson called spyglass, which is very good on apple stuff. He does that separately at his website.

And then I subscribed to several people in sub stack, and some of them I pay for. Austin, kleon is one of my favorites. Just great.

Everything he writes, I read Matthew crawford, who's the shop craft, a soul club, soul craft guy. He has one. I like some of the stuff he does, some of the other stuff.

I don't read Ethan molk, who's one of the big writers on AI uh he writes he wrote the book, uh, go with a co intelligence and um um I also subscribe to a substandard I was read everything he writes and Christopher shorts is a woodworker that I like and he has one called american peasant which is about word working but it's also about life and and really good so so I actually find myself now when I tempted to go to the news APP, I go to sub stack yeah and I catch up with my fees and um genre also follows some philosophy stuff too but you know master booky uc is a good one, but I know you guys don't want to hear me talk by that self. But but I do like reading. I find IT in riches and that makes me feel Better than reading than this. So there go and you're .

reading those in the sub stack APP.

I do a couple of things. I do read that I go I try to train myself to not push the news button and and push the sub stack button. And that's just a great do.

But I also you can have IT also detail them to you. One thing I would like in good links is the ability to have a magic email and just feed them straights into good links. Maybe I could do that would feed bin. I don't think so because these aren't feed bin .

type subscriptions. So you can do IT with sub stacks, but you basically have to change your subject email address to your syndrome de bin address, which gets weird, because then if you need to, like, update your credit card, the payment failed. Email comes through feed bend to your rss reader, like you gonna to get easy and weirdness with that yeah.

that's not .

really good. No, it's less ideal.

Yeah and you know, like, I like, I like N G C. Glass because it's his own thing. And you can have IT send IT directly, you know? But but either way, that's a problem I need to probably solve at some point.

But either way, it's fine. I read them in sub stack when I I get the emails. I know that something news there that I may want to read. I don't really like to read them in email tract. What you can click on the link view for to want to look at IT in safari and then it's you're one click away from putting in good links, read wise or whatever. So um maybe there's a Better workplace for this I probably need to sorted out, but my point is I have been getting new feeds, but i've been paying for them and it's been a really nice change for me.

I think sub stacks and like you, these sorts of things like platformer and T D M, I, there's they're obviously, it's the new sort of former factor and business model, but it's kind of what was really good about blogging. You know, fifteen or twenty years ago, like when you and I got started, like somebody who has a pretty limited scope and what they write about, but are really, really good at IT like that.

A I when you mentioned i've come across as writing before, is like, oh yeah, this is somebody who is A A trusted voice in this area and is doing really good work. And part of that is selecting the scope and being really focused on something same with casey, a platformer. so. I think this sort of thing is really interesting and a lot of IT really I think he deserves more correct. He gets for IT.

But been Thompson with strategi you ten years ago was kind of putting these things together is like it's a news letter but it's also a website like canada doesn't really matter how you read IT, you know the contents kind of in both places yeah and you know I think I think bin deserves a lot of credit for for that. And the only reason I didn't mention bin is because i've read strategy ory since state one like when IT was announced, people I like like, hey, this is really good and i've paid for IT basically ever since. I think bin is one of the smartest people in our industry.

Yeah, great. So let's talk a little .

bit about some APP updates. So we have we've got some feedback into some news about some apps that we've covered ah on recent episodes. And the first is arc. Uh, the browser we did, we talked about ark while back.

I used arc for all my work with underscore like three months in a kind of around that episode and the news I I don't know how to take this a David peers over the virgo at this um the brothers company, just the company that is behind the brothers arca very good literal company name. They're working on a new product and it's not ark two point oh, even though that is coming, but it's a new browser ah with some like new ideas and IT. And basically part of the story is josh Miller, the C E O, the brothers company.

It's kind of like yeah arc, while it's popular and it's grown really quickly, it's a bit too complicated and a bit too strange to be really mainstream. And we talk about that on the episode c, you don't really have tabs there. Like your tabs and book Marks are kind of the same thing and you're using community kind of like a launcher, like a ebitda, a notion, not a weird ideas in their interesting ideas, but ideas like, I think what people want their brothers to kind of work the way that safari and chrome, firefox work and arc is is too far field of that. And so they're working on something new unknown with its kind of unknown, what that means about future of arc. But you can see a world where, like if this new thing takes off arc, you know, I kind of faith, I just don't know, but is interesting that they've come out and said, he, we're working on something new before really having anything to show for IT.

And they say we're not giving up on arc, but but we're doing the other thing. Bet you know there's only so much focus, right? Yeah yeah. Well, I do think that our relationship with the web is undergoing a transformation. Another product that shipped since the last time we talk about this is that ChatGPT now has their own form of relaxation like they do search.

Now, at least if you have a paid account, i'm sure very shortly, it'll be truth, everyone, where he goes and searches the web and summarizes them for you. You know, I mean, historically, you do a web search and gives you a list of link. You go read the link, you get your answer.

The idea of this new model is that you ask a question, IT gets the links, that reads the links, that gives you the answer. So IT IT streamlines that process for you. But that changes things for guys like you and me that make little blogs.

People, you know, these these engines will go find the answer from our blog and give IT to the user. They'll never have actually seen our page and there's all sorts of things up in the air now. And I wouldn't be surprised if the ideal browser changes as well as part of that process.

Yeah, it's it's going be really interesting to say, I think that there's a lot of these companies are conceptual OpenAI, but like they're trying stuff and IT feels like this kind of new wave of software companies are really OK with like, hey, the thing we tried didn't workout. We're going to be IT or we're going to change. And I know it's really interesting.

Yeah, hazel got a new version. Yeah kind of a big deal, right? Yeah yeah. Six hazel.

Six hazel is is just A A long term favorite around here of us and our listeners and hazel's six has a bunch of great stuff. I think my favorite ite thing is IT will on demand O C R A file for sorting because you not every P D F, or you know, file we have has O C R data in IT. I guess this mostly P D F since O C R.

And like, well, what can I do about that? And you know, maybe you have like a separate O C R APP. Or you know, try to receive IT in something and then let IT.

But now IT can just do IT on the fly and the IT doesn't change the files. So this O C, R information is created. Hazel uses IT, and then it's not saved back to the original file, which I can see why that decision was made. I think IT would be nice if there was an option hazor bit, I know actually, I would like you to O C R this and then attached that OCR information to the file. I get why I didn't do IT just, you know, kind of my personal feelings um but I think it's a great I think it's a great addition .

yeah and this is really a power user update because these are the the issues that power users have had, but hates starkly like the basics of a file name recognition in filing, in putting your fries when the blog. It's been good at that for decades, you know? Yeah but but getting like specific information out of a filter renamed ment, that's always a bit hit and miss.

And I feel like this version is really aimed at that. I am going to a man playing with a new version. I have a hazle field guide. I'm going to do an update at some point.

I'm not gonna promise when, and I don't know if that means I have to redo the whole guide or if I can just do you like a free update of just the new features? I don't know, but people are asking me about IT, and i'm just going to say, yes, it's on my rate are but i'm not sure exactly what IT means yet. But either way, if you're a hazle user, you should definitely check .

out this update. Yeah and it's twenty bucks if you're upgrading from an a previous version and forty two dollars knew um so yeah I this is one of those like I saw the blog post and I updated IT because hazor this is one of the things like if IT somehow stop working on the bad is my computer not doing things like what is .

happen and it's such a great developer story. It's a single developer polls. A nice night, really nice guy. And he makes his living making hazle and he just spends all the time trying to make a Better. So you're really supporting the kind of software developers we love around here.

Yeah if you look at the shower notes last week in our holiday gift guide, you you notice to added this between the time we recorded the time we publish that episode, a IT was announced that tidbit, which is the device I talked about like a kind of a pixel screen, you can put your office and put little apps on IT.

Um that IT has been purchased um IT was acquired by model, which i've looked at model's website for like fifteen minutes and i'm still not sure what they do. They say it's server less cloud infrastructure for A I machine learning in data applications. I know that means a eyes stuff in the cloud.

Um yeah and .

they are basically because the conference of tibet came from spotify, and they basically are hiring them for their expertise. And I am quoting from the blog post, the service will remain running for everyone with existing devices, but no new devices will be shipped. So my little bit is still working. Check back in a year. I just don't know um the other blog post on the tibet site says they shipped over hundred thousand devices but no more coming out uh, unclear the future this thing is but I think it's the fastest i've ever like put something on the holiday, give guide and then that gets a quiet or set down .

like it's kind of a bummer yeah i'm not sure what the future is. It's very unclear for that one. Yeah here's a weird one, apple bot pixel matter yeah .

what apple has such a strange .

relationship with pro apps, right? Because a lot of the perhaps theyve sold over the years or the result of an acquisition .

yeah they bought they bought logic from yeah ah e magic yeah .

in final cut too. Wasn't that the result of an acquisition? I don't remember what the origin inal apps name was.

IT was IT was like getting ready to launch and they bought IT at the last minute. If the final cut histories is really interesting .

yeah but then some of them they they get excited about, some of them kind of just go away after years. Remember, a picture was come like the pro level photo management APP and editor that they had for a long time. And then one day they just went away and now they're taking in pixel matter.

I I don't know how to feel about IT. I kind of like that apple is acquiring some of the these pro APP assets with the idea that the apple internal productivity sweeten apple apps are going to improve. It's kind of been a thing we've been talking about on the show now for a few years, so I could see this being a part of that.

Like is this going to be like incorporated into the photos APP? Was IT gonna be like a more of a pro level photo APP? Or are they gonna let you go away and put this team on something else? I don't I don't really know.

Yeah, I think something like photo matter, some of those tools, I think that that kind of just kids integrated into the apple photos ecosystem. But obviously, pixel matter is a much more interesting question. And I those features don't belong at photos, right? An apple doesn't really they don't have an image dator, right? Preview hasn't really basic stuff in IT.

But if you look at sort of the categories of prosoft's are out there, this is A A missing one in apples portfolio. So I don't know what that means. I if I had a guess, I would say, I would say that something pixel matter turns into something that apple cells.

And when that happens, I don't know a the blog posts like nothing changing for now, so unknown. But I don't think you buy this and like break apart pixel matter or in like stuff pieces of IT all over the place like apple. A good photo edit, a good image editor, something apple should have. And so I suspect pixel matter rope will basically come at the other side of this still intact. What photo matter probably won?

Yeah, I I think so too. And like a photoshop alternative, but to be IT won't be photoshop and that's what pixel matter always was in. In fact, i'm a very added user of pixel matter.

I'll be sad if IT goes away and they don't you know come up with something new. But the but I think that's probably the future. Well, I I don't think it's like just hiring these people. I think they really want to have a like a second level photo editor and and you the other thing I know about pixel matter is they were always early in the game with A I type photo management stuff. Like one of the trick pix matter does is is resolution increases with smooth, which is really well done.

So like I have a bunch of wallpapers that were old, old wallpapers that in our very low resolution, but they're simple enough that I could run them through pixel matter and turn them the something I can news on my giant screen. yeah. And I think that stuff that I would like to have a house.

yeah, I do, do. And I think they would like to have something like, if they can. I don't know exactly what this is a look like but if they can integrate IT with, you know, things like I work right, like I can double look an image and that opens in pixel matter and the edits, you know get saved and automatically come back to my document like if they can do some of that that sort of round trip stuff, I think that will be that would be really nice.

Another bit of up news we talk about. Fantastic plenty around here. In fact, we had Michael simmons on the show year two ago.

Um now they got a windows up. congratulations. fantastico.

Yeah yeah. So if you are cross platform and I don't think there's anything like amazing counter apps on when does the most to stuck without look, this is going to be sweet for those folks who like or apple at home and maybe maybe they are stuck with A P C. At work.

I was thinking with buying pixel matter, are there any other apps like pro level apps that you'd like to see them buy and incorporate into their their sweet of applications?

The thing that came to mind for me, it's a bit of a weird one but something like I think the fitness sharing that apple has right way. You can like given vacations when your friends finish your work out, you can see their rings like it's nice and I do that with some people, but IT could be a lot more full featured and straw a shows more information.

IT does things like you can upload photos of your bike ride or what the weather was like on your run. And do we clear? They don't need to buy strawy to do that, like they could just add those things.

But IT just came to my from me like if you're in the apple fitness ecosystem or a thing that, that kind of weak, is that the social aspect of IT and through a lot of people that's important, like I got, people are bike ride with like if their straw of fail as I got, the bike ride didn't happen, you know like they value that. And IT is a great thing to where uh, on bike rides and walks and runs. IT has segment.

So there's the segment uh, in my nights or hood is specially it's a one mile stretch and has got a pretty good grade on I ever get with the segment is called but you go in there and like see your time over history like oh, i've you know i've writing the segment ten times and these are my different times. Who is the fastest of my friends at IT, who is the fastest of all time. And I think people care about the serve. I think it's interesting. I think apple, I think would be really interesting for apple to adopt some of that stuff in their finishing ing world.

Yeah for me um the one that stands out to me that needs more proletary features is that the native calendar APP, I feel like they've done good with reminders and notes. The calendar is still kind of sitting there. There's a lot of features and upside, fantastic cow and busy cow that they just don't have an apple calendar up. And maybe that's a conscious choice, but i'd like to see them out of its an acquisition or double down or something, but i'd like to see them trying to put some money or assets into calendar to make a .

Better yeah yeah something that I think a lot of calendars they have weather built into IT like apple yeah you have a weather service. It's just right there. Like you know, those are these sort of things that they could be would be great. This episode, mac power users is brought you by square space.

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More less than their feedback, josh wrote. Want us to talk about screen sharing on apple silicon max. What's the what's the story with Green sharing in apple silicon max?

yeah. So it's it's a super interesting topic. I think it's kind of be in the news because the betas of visionary, you could do a White screen virtual mac test top, but with apple silicon, if if you have an able silicon mac on both ends.

So i'm on my macbook pro and i'm hitting my m mac money that I mentioned earlier. Uh, you can set up a virtual display and you have some options with that. And that gives you a lot of flexibility and IT also means that um you're kind of unlocked from like whatever that magazine actually plugged into like i'm sure you member day and i'm sure love listeners due to back in the day.

If you're ring a headless mac mini e, you get like a little ten T P dongo and plug IT in because yeah oh that IT was like seven twenty p and when you did screen sharing session into IT is really small like this gets rid of all of that. Um there's A A bunch of options where you have scaling on and off. Uh, you can show for full quality.

You can also do adapt quality to network conditions. So if you're removing in like really far away, it's slow. It's like, well, let me let me trade off some quality for speed, which is which is really cool.

Um and it's just it's just really they're it's really come a long way. And um and in this a couple of really interesting things. The first one is clipboard sharing. This is not just with the apple silicon max, with something I find a really useful.

If you're remote IT to a mac, you get file liver to a you can also drag and drop files and you copy them um but like if you don't have your password to my hand on the remote mac and you need a password like copy on your local machine, paced over there, uh, is extremely useful, but it's really cool. And as we recording this, he hasn't done IT, but Jason snell promises me that he will write a blog post about this because this comes from him. But also have a adjust, a text file linked in the showing.

Tes, you can hit a machine with screen sharing from A U R L. So again, look at the links in the show. Note is basically V N C Colin slash lash, and you have the name of the mac and some, uh, modified dispersion.

What this means is that you can start screen sharing from something like the stream deck. So I have this set up now. I've got a button on my stream deck and I hit IT and IT pull up screen sharing to my mac money, and I had issues with this station, says IT works.

Where you can also send your user name and password in the URL ah I don't have that again, I have trouble with that, but I have the the user name password saved in finder. So I just hit the button and then hit sign in. And in the ur real IT is encoded that I want high quality and I just want one of virtual display. And this is a really fast way you instead of going to find her than like you know, going to your network on the on the side bar and find the mac, your kite, like having IT on the stream deck or having IT just be A U R L way is really pretty cool.

Yeah yeah agree. IT has improved and I don't really have much at that.

Yeah, it's great. And you know you think I don't have a mac money server like is also really useful like if you just you have a family imac or the thing we talked IT, we've talked about this before. I think it'll come up again and we're going doing an episode about family tax support for the holidays.

Uh this is building the messages as well so you can you can share um you know hey, moms map ages doing a funny thing. Can I just look at IT for my mac lic, apple's zone? A lot of work here. The vision pro, I think, is both the catalyst and the beneficial ery of lot that work with the virtual mac display. But if you get episode mac and on both ends, the virtual display in the high quality like it's pretty it's pretty sweet.

Anonymous rights, I recently upgraded from a fourteen year old twenty seven inch apple cinema display. I remember those to a thirty four inch ultra White display. And i'm still adJusting to all that real state. I'd love to hear you talk about how you manage windows where you'd like to place them on the screen and whatever you used to .

move windows around. yes. So i'll have in this is a about a year ago, we did an episode about this and I think I skipped IT think IT mostly holds up a year a little over year later, but i'm using a Better snap tool and there's a bunch of these you're going to get when you like um and I like IT because it's just complicated enough for what I need.

So my set up is at a studios displaying front of me until my left is my macbook pro, and on the left I do one third timing and two third reminder. So you see my task of my time tracking together. And I can do that with a simple keyboard shortcut um and just pop out ever there.

But all these tools also have like presets, and they really start as simple as you want and that move up from there. Some of these are except table, like it's wild what some of these developers have done. But I would also say if you're running macos zoia and you rope this too, the tools and macos zoia are really pretty good.

It's all behind that Green window control you can cover and you can move in resize or you can fill in a range. So like IT moves your active window to the spot you want and then you can fill in the others. Apple is a really good job here.

And I think for most people, what apple has done will totally work for you. The reason i'm so using Better snaps tool is because I want one third, two thirds. And this non option apple has. There's all done by half or quarters. But I would say unless I would say start with what's in scope if you're running scot and then decide where .

to go from there yeah I second the nomination for this equal tools. They're excEllent. And if you've not used window manager tools, this may be the end of the story for you.

Couple tips there. They don't have keyboard shortcuts for all of them listed, but you can add them in the settings keyboard, custom keyboard stuff. We've talking about this on the show before, but you can set a custom keyboard for any command, including window management, because they do show up in the menu bar. And I would recommend if you're going to use this code tool, was take a good look at the keyboard or cuts, consider adding a few of your own if you need IT. But for me, moon remains the king is another APP that got a new version recently and just when I was thinking, well, maybe I could get by with just a sec, tools move comes out with this killer update and I like, nope, i'm still .

on moon and it's .

it's great. As for screen manner, I don't have a super White screen. I have the apple protest boy which is a big display but it's not White screen, it's traditional proportion um what I like to do with that is uh treat IT uh generally as have like a lot of times i've got stuff that are on my screen, my house um right now i'm in the midst of an experiment where I got stage manager turned back on on my mac and you even I don't hate IT, i'm getting used to IT.

It's kind of nice being able this which they set ups and my screen is big enough that giving up a little little state on the left side the screen doesn't really cost me that much. Sure but that's another discussion for another day. Um but so you might use have but I also use custom setups for all sorts of things.

An example is as we podcast I went to have and put the screen shot in here you can put IT into the notes but I do this thing where i've got like the notion window open on maybe the right three fifth of the screen. But I also have safari um where IT is just slightly offset like pulled over an inch and it's an inch on both sides. So if I click on safari or notion, I can still see a portion of the other window, if that makes sense.

So I can jump between them fairly quickly. Sometimes on a recording podcast, I wanted check something on the web, so I ve got the ability to do that. And IT all fits on one giant screen.

And i've got my recording tools over on the left side running so it's, you know, so I can set this up. And I did this in mom very specifically, and I saved IT as a set up in mom. So when that before I record, I press one button in my windows arranged themself for I will say anonymous, that window management is really useful.

Um there are automated episodes where we talked about setups. I really feel strongly that if you want to become more effective at your computer, you set up some of these window management setups. So you push a button and the computer arranges itself in the format that works for the type of work you wants to do. And IT does allow you to be more focused.

Yeah, it's a is a lots of good, good options out there. Uh.

what can I add one more point to this? So yeah, a vision pro beta. They've got ten out the White screen mac thing.

It's pretty nice. I think i'm going to be used my vision for more of my mac. I mean, I don't have you played with IT.

I have not because IT requires the fifteen point two beta. Yeah, I don't run the betas on the mac once were out of the summer.

Now I certainly don't do. There's no way that I know that.

right? OK. Everyone i've talked to the who has tried IT is impressed.

I will say that alright.

including you apparently.

Yeah hypothetically, Grace routing, David mentioned the algoma camlan and the gift guide. What are your full desk camera setups? Grace, I actually wrote her back and he wants to improve her, her zoom game, and she's kind of want to know what.

But what do I need and what are you guys using? So I went ahead in the and thought about that. My set up is not when I would recommend for all.

I make my living doing videos for the few guides and labs. S, so I want to have really nice cameras and setups, but i've got two. S, L, R. Cameras on my desk, one is mounted on a pole with a product display, has got this giant stand, and you can actually clamp to IT. So I do.

I have A A pole clamp to the stand with A A SONY older SONY s alone on the top of IT, with the ice lands, with a little book, and that's right over the top of mind screen. So it's in the position of a traditional webcam. But IT looks way Better than a web cam.

And like we said in the gift guide, I tried a bunch of like expensive web camps and none of them could hold a candle to what I do with this one. Yeah um so i'm really happy with that that I have a separate my my fancy sla that I used to take family pictures in everything. I've also mounted IT on the desk there and that is on the side of the desk a poll IT doesn't even point at me, as I said behind my computer and because I don't the lens on IT is really good but it's too tight for me.

It'll be standing on the computer and and shoot with IT. So I actually pushed my chair back a bit and that's what kind of dedicated fancy man shots with the the nice background that I have here in the studio and and they're both on quick releases. I use the un zi ones that you get off amazon, but they lock, but they unlock.

And then you can just pop the camera out and then go take a graduation photo, whatever. I've got all my camera money invested on these cameras on the desk, but they they do other stuff occasionally. Grace, I do.

I haven't all got to a prompter, which I don't use one hundred percent of the time, but I use IT sometimes. And I think it's actually quite useful resume goals because that allows you to look at the lens and the people at the same time. Yeah, I think it's kind of a nice touch.

I wouldn't use IT all the time though, and just because I don't find I need IT, but if you do, that works. And then I also and I think if you're going na set up one of these setups for for home and you really want up, your came on soon, almost even more than a Better camera is just some light. And i've got two of those.

I've got to lights are tied to stream deck nobs where I can turn the lights on to kind of light me up Better. yes. And I this is a most frustrating that our product, I know because sometimes they don't work. I don't know why.

Same, same. I got mine. I got three. I've got one at my desk, and then I have two on my overhead table of everything in a picture of anything i've taken straight down. It's on other table office. And yeah, sometimes I just said the button and nothing happens and there's in a got to a got to a little like controls in a mac APP and sometimes that at crashes in the background and that's why they don't work. Other times the APP is running and that still doesn't work.

doesn't see them.

It's been that way forever. And I don't I don't really understand because the rest of their stuff erly works well together. But I have the same problem .

if I did IT over again, I would just buy two cheap L D lights, and then just use, just reach up and click them on yeah, if you want to be fancy.

like some home kit plugs in the wall or something yeah yeah same.

And then the other thing I would says if you're doing this and you want to be fancy, consider a USB microphone. I'm not i'm not recommending in Grace is not trying to do x Sparky labs and fiel guy. He just wants to makers zone comes Better.

But yeah I do think a lot of people upgrade the cameras and they don't upgrade the audio. And if your audio is bad, I don't know. This sounds weird.

I just the last point i'd make is consider if you even want to do IT like when I go on zoom calls with Normal people IT always becomes like a discussion topic wow, you looks so good. I love your background image and I don't even tell him. No, that's actually the room. It's a yeah yeah .

so for me I I had uh a SONY oracle one hundred and I used for a long time um and that kind of just got to a point where like I wasn't doing as many video calls and was a bit more fitly than I wanted.

And so i'm actually using a an iphone twelve on a stand and using camo, which is this this this absolutely great APP for the iphone and mac and IT lets you turn an iphone into a web cam and I do use IT plugged in so I got to a lightning cable snicking up to the to the phone um and mike and Jason over a great turn to me onto this. And now I heard about Cameron when I played with IT when I came out. But IT is a is a great way to get started.

So like if you ever know iphone around, even this iphone twelve looks way Better than the cameras built into my macbook pro and studio, especially the studio display. And um yes, that's that's that works great. And having this uh this in this mountain, it's been has been really solid.

Your solution makes a lot more sense for someone like Grace. If you got in a iphone around, just put IT up there you are in great shape. Yeah, i've got to overboard.

This year was the year that I committed to IT, though, because i've tried all that stuff. I tried getting like solution, Better webcam using the iphone. But for the kinds stuff I do, I wanting a, people are pain.

I wanted to look really nice. And now that it's all set up, it's really not that difficult of a pain. You know you just turn IT on and you're after the races yeah yes.

you know what you're doing is is different than most people, but it's great. I mean, this is a lot technology change. A lot of our user technology change through the pandemic. But like good looking, uh, zoo meetings is like top of that list.

Like it's pretty easy to do and you can really stand out, you know especially you compared to one two villagers, like on their wap tops and like looking up their nose. You know, like a little bit of money go a long way. And so let us know, Grace. So let's n know how goes.

It's funny to me, like even when you watch like the news and they interview somebody like people who like air, this is the first time they've ever been like interviewed yeah and it's like the update nose angle on the camera and it's like really, you know couldn't you to spend a little bit of money or time or even just honestly get some dictionary, put your laptop at your face level yeah it's like it's just shocking to me these people who like are appearing to the world and do so in such a terrible way.

Yeah yeah okay ah .

how about stuff we're playing with? You got anything to new and fun to share.

yeah. In fact, we are in the same lane this time. What is fine? no. And four max on my desk. But on my break, I was able to upgrade my home internet to fiber.

So i've been on comcast business class as long as i've lived in, in this house, which is nine years now ah because that was the fastest I I could get come cast to go and the download was fine. As the upload is on cable internet, there are some metrics. So you may have I think I had and they had eight hundred megabus second down.

I had like eighty up. And when you do what you and I do for living your most like, I am spending a lot time upload big media files, like to gym or to other people. And I signed up years ago for A T and t who is the fiber provider in my area that there is a new one thing is coming to town with fiber.

They're putting fiber all over the place, but they're not I don't they are set up yet. Um anyways, on my sartin, I got the email for ana text like five phone calls and then a person on my doorstep telling me that a and fiber was available on my street and so I signed up. I got symmetric gigabit up and down fiber, which is just mind blowing.

How much Better IT is than the than the the old business class was um but this did set me down a path because I had some I had some maxi, some pretty old eos that were just wifi six and as as well i'd like to upgrade the wireless st IT take like more advantage of the bigger pipe even though i'm wired to ether net in my desk. Would be would be nice to phater a wifi. Then I was like looking at that and then I talk to some friends.

I ended up going with a unified set up, so i've completely redone my network ah all unify unify router two switches, one of the house, one in the studio. I have ethne's run from the house under a walkway, through my garage throw can do IT into my into the pod cabin out here, my building network and and that was a great investment. I did not do IT myself.

I paid him by the poor. That cable because I looked at that was like this is going to be terrible. Um and it's all outdoor rated and stuff. So it's it's been running for like eight years has been great. Um and then four of their a wifi seven access points.

And I I put all the thing about a week ago and I got ta say IT was the easiest networking I think i've ever done like the errors are great and their APP s is really good. But the unified stuff was so easy to set up. Now you pay for this.

This is an expensive set up. IT was more than I would have paid for new eroes, but not like not that much more. So I kind of feel like, well, it's a little bit more I can redo everything.

Um the access points are P O E, so they are powered from the ethnic, which is great. I I had a real trouble when I saw my ero and network up that where I needed some of the access points, I didn't have power nearby. And so I was like, I like an extension core, like running through the back of a closet up to the shelf where the era was like I just wasn't ideal. And now they're just powered via the ether net able and all my ether net that i'd run to the house, into the studio all find i've gig a bit everywhere in all those ports, and i've been really happy with that. And it's it's it's it's quite good.

Yeah, I am okay. So I want to to talk about the unify. In the second, but personally talk about my speed improvement and this is kind of funny and we didn't talk about this, just we both put similar things in the outline.

But the I got an email from my local cable provider, we don't have fiber hair, at least to my knowledge and they said, hey um you know we know as you like the internet and uh we got a deal if you want to pay a little lectrice, we can get you to to gig about connection you know and I said, sure and so they sent me a new a cable modem at which you know there's always a bunch of set up involved with that and I got at working and sure enough, i'm getting um two gates over wire. But I also had the problem more. My switches were too slow.

You know i've got some switches in the network where you know you take one ether net and eight come out the other end. And all the home kid stuff I have in the various rooms I have, I i've got a couple and around the house, so I had to up upgrade those. And once I got all that and i'm getting pretty consistently um uh you know to gigg bite down sometimes a lot more, which I don't think i'm supposed to get.

I you know cable cable internet is weird, you know and then sometimes it's slower um and sometimes but the the upload is the big difference because I was getting like you know fifty upload and i'm getting like nine hundred upload. You know you close to a kick a bite not necessarily north of a gig bite upload. But IT is so much Better for me for the same reason.

And i'm sending a lot of media files out to other people and now happens. Look at these split. So that was a big my substance for me.

I kept my ero six network in place. It's ero six. Some of them are the plus devices and IT seems like it's fast enough for wifi. I I was just running some tests you were talking and i'm not getting north of a gigabit of those. I'm getting like five hundred to eight hundred peak. I think at some point, I may follow you down the rabbit hole of the unify system because, like, power over the internet is a big selling point for me as well for a variety of reasons. But I was spent enough money this year.

Yeah, this was an investment in I look at the their wifi six. Where is there like where there A P six there? Is there A P seven and their access points? And I was like, you know what, i've really just kind of want to do this once and be done with this for like five or ten years ah yeah what's cool about the unified stuff is that it's all very modeler.

And so if I need to put a bigger switch somewhere or like actually I my iron network was five access point. His my house evictions before my house is in ill shape and then the studio is in the far corner of the backyard, kind of diagnosed to the the open side of the ill. Like from a wifi perspective, I got a really bad situation.

And my house was built in the early fifties and like after just doesn't go through these walls very well yeah and so I actually bought five access points and just put one every place I had in euro and in their dashboard, unify will like a IT will tell you like actually you've got a lot of overlap here. And so I actually unplugged one of the access points and think the network is performing Better actually without IT. And I just unplugged and I just dropped off the dashboard, the bottom and says offline.

But if I want to update any of this in the future or expand IT, um like one thing, they have the other own security cameras and you can run like your own D V R locally. And I could just add that to this network if I wanted to. And in fact, a the the gateway I went with this the cloud gateway ultra, they have a version that you can put A S S D N and run those cameras right to the gateway and is like, I don't want do that and i'm pretty happy the ring set up.

But if I want to go that way in the future, it's all kind of plugged and play, like build your own system and all works together. And, uh, you can make IT from the web or an APP on your phone. And you know, i'm definitely have only scratch services of like it's really pretty nerdy, some of things you can do with IT, like you can do really interesting things with rounding and v lands like.

And I was reading on online, we will put out their smart homes stuff. I GTA separate baLance with that. Traffic is like separate from your main traffic. I would done any of that, but it's all available to me.

And the community around this is so big, like lots of people of documents and lots of things, including the fact that like my eight and t rate, which is still in place, there's like some weirdness in the settings that rather you need to get right for, like maximum performance on the unified side. I just like found a blog post someone to written about IT, followed the steps and like lit up like super easy. So i've been really happy with that so far.

And I can said I wanted to do something that was gonna be set for a long time with this eroes. I think i've been a place like seven years or something that is a long time I don't want of my network is not something that I want to deal with on an ongoing basis, right? Like I cannot set IT up and forget IT and then every so often upgrade and I feel like I got lots of runway.

Now I did you get them from ubiquity or did you like amazon .

them from ubiquity? And that was one of those things I mark arming that helps me pick some of the to fox. He's had experience with that.

And I sent him a screen shot. I did not pay for the fast shipping, but uh, they ship from me. And in fact, the I think founder and owner ambiquity, he's like he I think it's his title.

He's an owner of our N B. A. T. Like they shift their stuff from here.

And so even though I didn't pay for a fast shipping, I got at the next day like this is awesome. Like let's go yeah and support really good. It's i've got like a five year warty on IT. It's going to be nice.

Well, maybe next year we'll see how things go in max baran. Yeah but I I definitely in interested in I want maybe we do a networking show and you will enable me to spend more money but not now yeah because i'm i'm looking at the like even like the control panel looks really nice.

Yeah, it's um it's really cool. Well, another feedback .

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