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Capital Wars and the Death of Fiscal Illusions | Paulo Macro & Le Shrub

2025/4/17
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Paulo Macro
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Le Shrub: 我认为,长期存在的结构性问题,例如美国的高赤字和发达经济体的新兴市场化,以及薄弱的制度,构成了当前市场动荡的基础。外部催化剂,例如中国DeepSeq事件、特朗普与泽连斯基的会面以及德国的财政刺激计划,加速了这一进程,标志着美国例外论的终结,并导致资本从美国回流欧洲。 我创造了一个虚拟人物“Klaus”来代表欧洲养老基金经理,他们持有大量美元资产,并面临着地缘政治风险和潜在资本管制的担忧。这促使他们将资金撤回欧洲,加速了资本的重新配置。 公开讨论政府债务问题可能会引发公众不满,甚至导致战争。因此,我更倾向于将这些问题私下解决,以避免不必要的紧张局势。 Paulo Macro: 我认为,投资者正在应对国际体系的领导力危机,这种危机源于美国试图打破国际贸易和资本体系的加速认知。 过去50年来,政府不再致力于偿还债务,而是持续增加债务规模,这一根本性转变影响了全球经济和金融市场。投资者正在意识到政府债务无法偿还,这挑战了长期以来形成的共识。 全球资本在寻找新的避险资产,黄金可能是最终的去向。胡佛总统的回忆录描述了1931年大萧条期间全球资本的动荡,这与当今的市场环境具有相似之处。 虽然美国政府似乎有意打破现有的国际资本和贸易体系,但这并不一定意味着全球经济的崩溃。历史表明,人们会适应经济和财政不确定性,资本也会流向回报最高的地区。 然而,全球资本的重新配置可能导致财富的巨大损失。投资者需要关注潜在的财富破坏风险,并采取相应的措施来保护自己的资产。 Demetri Kofinas: 本集讨论了国际资本和贸易体系崩溃的潜在后果,以及这对市场和投资者投资组合的意义。我们回顾了过去一年中关于发达经济体‘新兴市场化’、全球秩序的崩溃以及在财政状况恶化的世界中寻找新的安全资产的讨论。 我们探讨了全面贸易和资本战争的影响,包括:如果盈余国家将资本流转向美国以外的地区,对美国资产(特别是国债和美元)的影响;由战略再武装和产业政策推动的通货膨胀;与中国的脱钩甚至可能发生的热战;在经济放缓以及美国政府持续高昂或不断上升的借贷成本面前放弃财政紧缩;以及美元大幅重新估值引发的巨大财富损失的风险。

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In Episode 410) of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with investors Paulo Macro and Le Shrub about the consequences of a breakdown in the international capital and trading system—and what this means for markets and investor portfolios. The first hour revisits last year’s discussion on “EM-ification,” the breakdown of the rules-based global order, and the urgent search for a new safe asset in a world of deteriorating fiscal balance sheets. Together, Demetri, Paulo, and Le Shrub map out what investors should be paying attention to in the year ahead. In the second hour, the conversation turns to the implications of a full-blown trade and capital war, including:

The impact on U.S. assets—especially Treasuries and the dollar—if surplus nations redirect their capital flows away from the United States

Resurgent inflation fueled by strategic rearmament and industrial policy

A potential decoupling from—and even a hot war with—China

The abandonment of fiscal restraint in the face of an economic slowdown amid persistently high or rising borrowing costs for the U.S. government

The risk of massive wealth destruction triggered by a dramatic revaluation of the U.S. dollar

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