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In The Future China Will Be Dominant & the US Irrelevant | Kyle Chan

2025/6/2
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Demetri Kofinas: 在第一小时的对话中,我们将探讨中国的工业模式,并消除关于经济繁荣历史基础的误解,以及国家、金融资本主义和市场经济之间相互作用的误解。这些相互作用是过去两个世纪里改变我们生活方式的技术革命的主要原因。 Kyle Chan: 我认为西方对经济繁荣的基础存在误解。在冷战背景下,由于苏联和中国在国家计划方面的明显失败,人们自然会认为这不是正确的方式。但是,人们对市场和国家的作用存在理解上的差距。我们低估了监管干预的作用,忘记了我们自己的经验,尤其是在二战后。企业利益与国家或社会利益之间存在差距。国家安全和供应链冲击也让我们重新认识到这一点。全球供应链网络中存在一些关键节点和脆弱点。

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In Episode 420) of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Kyle Chan—an expert on the Chinese economy and China’s industrial policy—about why he believes China is poised to dominate high-end technology and manufacturing, and why factories worldwide will reorganize their supply chains with China at the center, as the world’s preeminent technological and economic superpower. Kyle and Demetri spend the first hour dissecting China’s industrial policy and dispelling misconceptions about the historical foundations of economic prosperity. Their discussion highlights the reciprocal interactions among the state, financial capitalism, and the market economy—dynamics that have driven the technological revolutions transforming modern life over the past two centuries. In the second hour, Chan and Kofinas delve deeper into China’s playbook, drawing lessons for the United States. They outline policy choices that are both self-evident and broadly bipartisan: investing in research and development; forging strategically important economic ties with other nations; and fostering a welcoming, attractive climate for international talent and capital. Subscribe to our premium content—including our premium feed, episode transcripts, and Intelligence Reports—by visiting HiddenForces.io/subscribe). If you’d like to join the conversation and become a member of the Hidden Forces Genius community—with benefits like Q&A calls with guests, exclusive research and analysis, in-person events, and dinners—you can also sign up on our subscriber page at HiddenForces.io/subscribe). If you enjoyed today’s episode of Hidden Forces, please support the show by:

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