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The Party Comes First: Power & Politics in Xi's China | Joseph Torigian

2025/6/23
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Demetri Kofinas: 我认为这本书将成为本世纪迄今为止对中国最具影响力的著作之一。我想知道您最初是打算写一本关于习近平的书,还是打算写一本关于中国共产党政治历史的书,后来演变成关于现任主席父亲的传记? Joseph Torigian: 我最初计划写一篇关于习近平及其父亲习仲勋的短文,但意识到可以收集大量信息,并且习仲勋的故事可以告诉我们关于习近平及其成长环境的信息,也可以讲述20世纪成为中共党员的故事。我想讲述那些在这个党内受苦的人的故事,这本书不仅仅是工具性的,讲述这些人的生活和遭遇本身就很有价值。我也想让人们更好地了解专制政权是如何运作的,以及在这种体制下人们如何周旋和生存。我想让人们自己决定我书中的一个核心难题,即为什么习仲勋曾多次受到党的迫害,被迫做出他不同意的决定,却仍然对党如此忠诚,特别是他的儿子目睹了这一切并做出了同样的决定。

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In Episode 423) of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Joseph Torigian, an expert on the politics of authoritarian regimes and the Chinese Communist Party, with a particular focus on elite power struggles, civil-military relations, and grand strategy. Torigian is also the author of a widely discussed new book titled “The Party’s Interests Come First,” a political biography and historical analysis of Xi Zhongxun, the father of Xi Jinping,  the leader of China and the head of the Chinese Communist Party. In the first hour, Torigian and Kofinas trace the evolution, internal contradictions, and complex dynamics of political power and succession within the Chinese Communist Party, revealing the critical role that personal networks, ideological discipline, factional struggle, and narrative have played in shaping Chinese political history and culture. They explore several critical periods in Chinese communist party history, including Mao Zedong’s Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, the period of reform and opening up under Deng Xiaoping, and the post-Tiananmen period following the 1989 crackdown. In the second hour, Kofinas and Torigian focus on China's current leader, Xi Jinping, examining the political lessons he has drawn from the struggles endured by his father while exploring how those experiences have shaped his party loyalties and reinforced his commitment to restoring China’s greatness and securing its position on the global stage. Subscribe to our premium content—including our premium feed, episode transcripts, and Intelligence Reports—by visiting HiddenForces.io/subscribe). If you’d like to join the conversation and become a member of the Hidden Forces Genius community—with benefits like Q&A calls with guests, exclusive research and analysis, in-person events, and dinners—you can also sign up on our subscriber page at HiddenForces.io/subscribe). If you enjoyed today’s episode of Hidden Forces, please support the show by:

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