Trump vs. Musk: One Big Beautiful Blowup | Lawrence Fossi
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What's up, everybody? My name is Demetri Kofinas, and you're listening to Hidden Forces, a podcast that inspires investors, entrepreneurs, and everyday citizens to challenge consensus narratives and learn how to think critically about the systems of power shaping our world.

What you're about to hear is the sixth episode in a podcast series hosted by me and my co-host, Grant Williams, titled The 100-Year Pivot. In it, we speak with some of the smartest and most plugged-in people we know to help position ourselves, our organizations, our families, and our portfolios for the once-in-a-century economic, political, and geopolitical reordering that we believe is currently underway.

In today's conversation, Grant and I speak with former commercial trial attorney, portfolio manager, and longtime critic of Elon Musk, Lawrence Fossey, about the recent fallout between the president and his biggest political booster. It's a critical and sober exploration of the political and budgetary challenges facing the country that spares no criticism of either Trump or Musk and is not meant for the politically sensitive or easily offended partisan listeners.

In it, we discuss Musk's failed efforts to address the budget, his support for the formation of a new third party, and what the future holds for the world's richest man. We also place an equally critical lens over the Trump administration, examining the president's time in office, the sum effect of his actions, and what the next three and a half years could mean for the country.

If you want access to this conversation, go to hiddenforces.io slash subscribe and join our premium feed so you can listen to this episode and other subscriber-only content on your mobile device using your favorite podcast app, just like you're listening to this episode right now. And with that, please enjoy this timely and sober conversation with our guest, Lawrence Fossey.