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What Happened to Jimmy Carter? - with Ken Stein

2025/1/10
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Ken Stein: 我与卡特总统共事多年,见证了他对解决巴以冲突的执着追求。尽管他促成了具有里程碑意义的戴维营协议,但他后期的言行,特别是公开支持哈马斯和指责以色列种族隔离,引发了广泛争议。我认为,他的转变源于对前任总统未能延续其成就的挫败感以及对未能完全实现其和平愿景的失望。他坚信自己能够调解巴以冲突,但他的继任者们缺乏他与萨达特和贝京之间建立的那种特殊关系。 我个人认为,卡特总统在戴维营协议中所起的作用至关重要,但他对巴以问题的后期观点,特别是对哈马斯的支持,以及对以色列的严厉批评,是不可取的。他未能充分理解中东地区的政治文化和民族主义情绪,这导致了他的判断失误。 尽管如此,卡特总统在促进阿拉伯国家与以色列之间的外交关系正常化方面做出了重大贡献。戴维营协议的成功,以及随后埃及与以色列之间的和平条约的签署,是其外交成就的突出体现。 Dan Senor: 卡特总统的遗产是复杂的。一方面,他促成了埃及和以色列之间的历史性和平条约,这是他最伟大的成就之一。另一方面,他后期的言论,特别是公开支持哈马斯和指责以色列种族隔离,对以色列和犹太人民造成了伤害。他的转变令人费解,也引发了人们对其动机的质疑。 我认为,卡特总统在戴维营协议中发挥了关键作用,但他对巴以问题的后期观点,以及对哈马斯的支持,是不可接受的。他的言论为哈马斯等极端组织提供了合法性,并加剧了地区冲突。 卡特总统的遗产提醒我们,在外交政策中,需要保持平衡和客观,不能偏袒任何一方。 Stu Eisenstadt: 卡特总统是一位伟大的和平缔造者,他为中东和平做出了不可磨灭的贡献。他促成了埃及和以色列之间的和平条约,这是中东和平进程中的一个重要里程碑。他是一位真诚而有远见的人,他致力于通过外交手段解决冲突。 卡特总统对犹太人民和以色列怀有深厚的友谊。他曾多次访问以色列,并与以色列领导人建立了良好的关系。他为促进美以关系做出了重要贡献。 尽管卡特总统后期的言论引发了一些争议,但这并不应该抹杀他在中东和平进程中所做出的巨大贡献。他是一位杰出的领导人,他的遗产将继续激励人们为和平而努力。

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This chapter explores Jimmy Carter's deep involvement in Middle East peace efforts, his motivations, and the challenges he faced. It examines his pre-presidency worldview, his approach to conflict resolution, and his early attempts at brokering a comprehensive peace deal.
  • Carter's belief in his ability to mediate stemmed from his experience with racial integration in the American South.
  • Brzezinski's belief that Israel had excessive influence on US foreign policy shaped Carter's approach.
  • Carter's lack of extensive foreign policy experience before the presidency influenced his decision-making.

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Yesterday in Washington D.C., former U.S. President Jimmy Carter’s funeral service was held at the National Cathedral. 

 

The former president’s post-presidential legacy has had a lasting impact on today’s Middle East. President Carter was known for brokering the Egypt-Israel peace treaty between Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin, which has lasted over four decades. However, he was also the first national leader of his stature to openly embrace Hamas, to accuse Israel of “apartheid”, and to legitimize Hamas’s slaughtering of Jews through suicide bombings and other forms of terrorism, during and following the Second Intifada. 

 

How did President Carter go from an engaged diplomat working for peace between Israel and Egypt to championing Hamas and its narrative of Israeli “apartheid”? 

 

To discuss the paradox of President Carter when it comes to Israel, and his impact on current day events in the Middle East, our guest is Ken Stein. 

 

Dr. Kenneth W. Stein is Emeritus Emory Professor of Middle Eastern History and Israel studies where he taught from 1977-2024.  Early in the 1980s, he led  the Middle East Program of the Carter Center, which included multiple trips to the region with the Carters, writing a book with him, and  providing monthly analyses to the former president. In 1998, Ken established the first Israel Studies Center in North America and founded the Center for Israel Education in 2008.

 

Pertinent to this interview, are his 1999 publication, *Heroic Diplomacy: Sadat, Kissinger, Carter, Begin and the Quest for Arab-0Israeli Peace  *and a personal collection of the hundreds of hours of conversations he had with Carter over a twenty year span.  He is also the author with Ambassador Samuel Lewis,  “Making Peace Among Arabs and Israelis: Lessons from Fifty Years of Negotiating Experience”,  https://www.amazon.com/Making-peace-among-Arabs-Israelis/dp/B002X78MGW [amazon.com])

 

Book discussed in this episode: https://tinyurl.com/4h7pmwzf)

 

Recent article by Ken Stein: https://m.jpost.com/international/article-835320)