DEBATE: Flat Vs Globe: The Final Chapter: Vince & Ross Vs @MCToon & Paul
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Good evening everybody, welcome to Modern Day Debate. I'm your host Ryan. You see it on the screen, we're going to debate Flat vs. Globe, the final chapter. So, without further ado, let's get over to Vince for up to six minutes for the introduction. In the meantime, I'm counting on all you guys to smash that like button. So, thanks Vince, and it's all yours. I think because we're mostly referencing from after the final experiment, so...

It's lo- There it is, uh, your video's up and running. Yes. Yep, go for it. ...to what he said. ...it pulls everything to the center. But then Einstein gave us a different picture. Gravity doesn't suck at all. We tell our students, we lied to you. Gravity does not- We lied to you. To the students. ...pull you to the floor. Space pushes you down.

Why are you sitting in your chair today? Does gravity pull you to the floor? No, there is no such thing as gravitational pull. We lied to you. The space around you is warped. I mean, they're saying in your face, we lied to you. But yeah, we trust liars, right? The space itself is pushing you down into your chair. And that's why you're sitting in your chair today. Why are you sitting in your chair today?

Does gravity pull you to the floor? No. There is no such thing as gravitational pull. We lied to you. And here we see no curvature at any altitude. 1,500 feet above sea level, no curvature. It's speeded up. 7,500 feet above sea level, no curvature as expected. 30,000 feet above sea level, no curvature as expected.

62,000 feet above sea level, no curvature as expected. 109,000 feet above sea level, no curvature as expected. 121,000 feet above sea level, no curvature as expected. So zero curvature. So we win, you lose. Moving on. Oh, no, it continues. 172...

27,000 feet, no curvature. Anyways, then we got this document from NASA that says, you know, the airplane is at, what does it say?

It's saying that it's flying over a non-rotating earth. So I looked it up just to make sure that it is a NASA thing. So I copied that thing, put it into Google, go to the Google NASA website, pull up the PDF, go down to the almost last page. You find the same document in high resolution right there, right there. And there we have it.

This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a flat non-rotating earth. Anyway, let's continue. I know we don't have that much time, but there you see. Non-rotating flat earth.

NASA 1988 blah blah blah continue here this is an old video from 1978 or something about a Polish citizen pilots pilot that got to go to space okay

His name is Hermazewski something. Miroslav Hermazewski will be the first Polish citizen who will see the Earth from space. And here is 40 years later,

Three years before he died in 2022, saying the Earth is flat. Earth is flat, as some expect. So I pulled up on Google Translate in Polish to confirm that he's saying just that. General Mirosław Hermaszewski, as so far the first and last Pole who took an orbital flight. Thank you very much for the conversation. Thank you. I bow.

I went to... there he is Miroslav Hermasavsky and then you see there? "Ziemia jest płaska" Earth is flat "Ziemia jest płaska" So no misunderstanding there he's saying the earth is flat suck on that

And this last part is completely different. This is my own thing. You know, I always say there is no real curvature because everything is built off of straight lines in this pixelated virtual reality that we live in.

We think that at the very fabric of reality where things get less physical looking and much more information theoretical, as you can say, it's called the Planck scale. And if you take a meter about this big and you reduce it by 10, you'll get to something about that big, right? If you reduce that by 10, you'll get to something about that big. If you do that 32 more times, you get down to this unimaginably small length called the Planck length. And quantum mechanics strongly implies that a length and a volume cannot be any smaller than the Planck length or the Planck volume.

In that sense, it implies that reality may be pixelated, right? Yeah, reality may be pixelated, full of squares and lines and shit. One minute. Yeah, one minute. Last minute. So that's how many scientists today view reality may be what we call discrete or pixelated. Yeah, and here I am drawing a line, right? That's a line. And then that looks like a curved line. But if you zoom that motherfucker in, you see...

The squares! Because there is no other thing than straight lines. And the last part is just showing how a circle, I've shown this to Mac Toon and Craig, that a circle is built of straight lines and it becomes a rectangle and therefore there is no such thing as a curve really. It's just an illusion. It's just an illusion. So anyways, I'll end it there.

Yeah. That's good because your time is over. Thank you. All right. No worries. Thank you so much for your introductory statement. We're going to hand it over to Real Offended. But once again, usual housekeeping. Welcome to Modern Day Debate. If it's your first time here, hit the subscribe button and smash the like button as well. We're live right now. It helps boost us up in the algorithm and...

Yeah, we appreciate all you guys. We do Q&As at the end of the open discussion, which will happen after everybody's had their introductory statement. So just sit tight, and we're going to get there. But if you do have a question, we take them in the form of Super Chats. That's how you get priority. A few have already come in, so I'm going to set another six minutes on the floor. And yeah, the fellas are over there right now setting up for the debate con. It's going to be tomorrow, and it's going to be a lot of fun.

Yeah over to you. They're real offended so much going on. All right, is it great if I is it cool if I share my screen ryan? No, no screen shares. Oh, yeah, you go ahead All right guys. Well, I guess I can't you want okay? We're joking see europeans man europeans I'm, just kidding. Uh, how's everybody doing out there? Shout out ryan Nothing. No, I was talking about vince european. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Okay. Hey

Shout out Ryan shout out Vince Paul big - nice to see you guys Vince Thank you for that presentation. That was very good Unlike Vince, I actually am NOT a flat earther. You know, I mean, I believe that nobody knows what shape the earth is I believe that the earth is a topographical non-rotating plane so just like you know

you know, your body doesn't have a shape. I don't believe the earth actually has a shape. But, you know, Vince's presentation was very convincing. You know what I mean? So he might have convinced him to be a flat earther tonight. And I'm going to see what evidence McToon presents tonight. Maybe McToon will be able to convince me better. But so far, what Vince has shown me has been pretty convincing. But I'm going to stay on the fence. I'm going to stay on the fence right now until I see McToon's evidence. All right? So me from the beginning, I have always maintained that these are my main points.

that number one, the earth is not moving. My screen is showing. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Number one, the earth, number one, the earth is not moving around the sun.

Number two, the Earth is the center of the cosmos. Number three, the surface of the Earth is not curved. Or if it is curved, it's bigger than the radius value claim. And number four, the most important point, which we never get to for some reason, everything is energy, dielectricity, whatever you want to call it. And yes, I mean everything. And if you want to know why, the reason why is because of free energy, all right?

The revelation of what the earth is leads to the revelation that we are in just a large battery and free energy or electricity is accessible to us with the proper technology. So hiding the earth, so hiding that is equal to hiding the earth, which basically is the key to the slavery that everybody has.

If you notice most of your time in your life is spent going to work and coming back to that way you can use technology and purchase things that would all be solved by free energy and free electricity. So it really is that simple. Now, I...

I don't know if I'm psychic or not, but I'm glad Vince brought up the thing about the final experiment. You know, because I have always maintained that the reason why we don't know what shape the Earth is, is because they've never actually measured curve, at least not to the degree that matches what a globe should be. Right. And because they have never measured that. And every time they do try to measure that, it just comes up flat.

In order to prove what the shape of the Earth is, as a matter of fact, if you look at the dimensions of the globe, it all comes from measuring the sky. Now, to me, as an unbiased party, think about it. I'm not on the big two side. As an unbiased party, that seems weird. If you want to tell me what shape the Earth is, why would you need to look at the sky, right? And then I hear people say, well, that's not the way they came up with the globe. They did not.

You're out of your mind, Ross. They did not try to prove the globe by looking at the sky. That's crazy. And like I said, I have been known to make some psychic predictions, but I don't call myself a direct psychic, but I can probably guess that the evidence McToon is going to present has something to do with looking at the sky. I'm not psychic. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what he's going to present, so we'll see, but I

I mean, if I had to guess, you'll probably say, hey, you know how we know what shape the Earth is? Let's look at the sky. I don't even think I have to talk about the final experiment thing. Like, you've heard this ad infinitum. It doesn't, like, what is the final experiment? Hey, let's look at the sky to figure out what is going on with the Earth. Well, like I said, I don't, maybe I saw this coming a year ago when I did my first Flat Earth debate because I covered that in my very first point. The Earth is not moving around the sun. Okay?

So it doesn't matter what the sky is doing. I don't like whatever, whatever the sun does around a non-rotating earth is what it does. You know, so I actually appreciate McToon for doing that. Now, now people can understand our argument much better. If he hadn't done that, people would still be saying dumb stuff like, oh, let's look at the sky. But no, McToon proved it all for us. He went to Antarctica, right? He took some of the top, you know what I mean? Some of them flipped. I don't, I don't really know. Like all that is irrelevant to me. Like I said, I'm going to buy his party.

All right. I don't know what shape the earth is. I don't know that it's flat. I don't know that it's curved. All I know is that it's not moving. I know that it's the center of the cosmos. And I know that it's either bigger than it's being claimed or it's not curved. So I hope we get to see some conclusive scientific evidence that it is curved. All right. Conclusive scientific. All right. I heard McToon say one time that a scientific theory is backed up by experiment. All right. Observations aren't. Am I running out of time? How am I doing?

You have, yeah, you still have, what, 40 seconds here. Okay, cool, yeah. Observations are not experiments, okay? And if you're trying to claim things that we haven't even observed, that's certainly not scientific, all right? So I would love to see some

Maybe some observations of the curved surface, but really I want to see experiments. This is a scientific debate. You know what I mean? So this first point right here is backed up by scientific evidence. I've already done this in all my debates. There are scientific experiments that prove the Earth isn't moving. All right? McToon, you know this. Everybody knows this. All right? So since we know the Earth is not moving, please have some evidence for the actual shape of the actual Earth, not the sky. And I digress. Thank you.

You will end the screen share there at the sound of Vince's laughter. Okay. All right. I'm just going to preemptively put you guys on the mute just so I know that you're not reacting halfway through these guys' introductions.

I know how things are going to go for the open discussion. It's going to be a lot of fun. So like I say, everybody, strap in, grab yourself a brew, whatever you need to do. It's going to be a good one. I don't think we established who was going first on the other side. I have a habit of that sometimes. Yeah, I'm going to go first. A1, Paul, you're on the floor. So six minutes for you. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much. And what have I let myself in for tonight? Right, my opening. I haven't really got a great deal planned.

I think the easiest way to determine the shape of the Earth for any layman is to learn basic navigation.

Once you've learnt navigation and you've got the longitude and latitude lines, you'll notice on the navigational charts that the longitude lines will get narrower the further north that they go. And the same going south. South of the equator, going south, the longitude lines will get narrower the further they go. As if they're all heading to a single point, which in fact they are. They're heading to the North Pole and they're also heading to the South Pole.

Now, if the Earth is flat, it would work the opposite way around, especially on going south of the equator. Then longitudinal lines will get wider and wider apart. So I'd like the flat earthers to explain how navigational charts work in the southern hemisphere. And on them charts, the longitudinal lines are getting closer to the further south they go. How does that work on a flat Earth? Because I can't work it out.

The other thing as well is satellites. We're all aware that we've got satellites, we've got satellite TV, we've got the International Space Station. Now, as an amateur radio operator, there's one thing you can do is speak up to the International Space Station and use the repeater that they've got. And you can predict when this is going to happen by going onto the internet, tracking the International Space Station, as it starts to come over your location, you turn your radio on and suddenly you start to pick things up. I'd just like to share my screen

If that's possible, I haven't done it on zoom before. No worries So it's right in the center of our chat if you hover over our zoom call and you'll see the green option there for the share Yeah, and if you want to share audio, you're gonna have to check off that little box, too. Yeah, I have done Just pause the timer for a second here while we get that up and running. Can you see that? Yep, we can see it. So I'll start the timer again. You still have four minutes.

Lovely. Let me just get rid of this McAfee advert that keeps popping up every time I open a new tab. No worries. There we go. Right, what we're looking at here is that's my laptop and it's tracking the International Space Station as it's coming over the south end of the UK. So this is the space station. This is the south end of the UK here. And what I did is set up my amateur radio so that it can speak up to the International Space Station.

Where's the play button gone? Oh, there we go. Just watch what happens here. There's the UK. The space station's here. Altitude 261 miles. Speed 17,148 miles an hour. So, the space station should be passing by in the next few minutes. I've got my radio all ready to go. And let's see if we can get anybody. I'll turn the scrolls down, see if there's anything.

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Right, so that was me talking to the International Space Station by tracking it on the internet of where it was located

Tuning into the right frequency and speaking to somebody, that window only opens for about 10 minutes until it disappears over the horizon. I can look out of the shed on a night, watch the space station coming over, point my antenna towards it, speak up to the space station. This can be done on very cheap things. You can even do it on something like this.

I'd like the Flat Earthers to explain how I can track something that possibly you don't believe exists and if it does exist how is it staying up there? That is probably about all I've got really, navigation and the fact that satellites exist.

You got it. Well, thank you so much for coming on out, Paul. It's going to be a great debate. Pleasure to have you here. So, yeah, let's head it over to MC Toon for the last introductory statement, and then we'll get into that open discussion. So six minutes on the floor whenever you're ready there, MC.

All right, I'll remind everybody this is a flat versus globe debate. Both sides have an affirmative position. If you don't have an affirmative position in a debate, then you don't belong in the debate. This right here is the debater's guide. It seems I always have to instruct the other debaters how they need to debate. Page 22 says the debater should understand that

Three more terms in this point. Burden of proof, burden of rebuttal, burden of communication. The burden of proof is a primary rule of any argument or debate. It first requires affirmative to bear the burden of proving the proposition. Subsequently, it requires every speaker to support every assertion made by that speaker because any assertion must be supported by proofs. Those who assert must prove assertions.

is a fundamental and long-standing rule of every debate. That'll come into play later as we respond to things. Anyway, I'd like to share my screen. Sounds good. Here comes... There we go. You see that? It's popping up right now. Once again, if you're hanging out in the live chat, smash that like button, and I'm going to start your timer again.

Alright, here we go. Well, the magical Frisbee Earth is a fantasy. That is your position if you say the Earth is flat. This is the flat Earth map that's been used for 160 years. And every flat earther alive today was indoctrinated into the flat Earth religion with these maps.

And if you say the Earth is a flat topographical plane, you are a flat earther, and this is the map that you used to get indoctrinated into the Flat Earth cult religion. It is still in use today by the big-name flat earthers. You got Dirt over on the left. You got Dubay over on the right. That is the map they use. This is their indoctrination tool. This is what they use for their Flat Earth evangelism.

Don't mistake this. This is what they use. Then later on you hear Flat Earth is like, oh, I don't know. That's not our map. Yeah, it is. That's your map. That's the map you used. Anyway, this is the prediction for what you must see using the Frisbee map there in Antarctica. That's the sun there. Now you'll notice that the sun gets bigger and smaller and it is always facing north.

And yes, you can absolutely determine the shape of the Earth by looking at things in the sky. If you think it's wrong, you have the burden, as noted in the book here, to prove your assertion. I can show the geometry for this and how it does show us the shape of the Earth. If you think that's not the case, denial is not evidence. You have evidence that you need to present.

uh anyway here is the globe prediction for the same location you can see the sun is not changing size it's simply moving up and down and going around in circles right to left throughout the day now i went there in december and i uh personally recorded it with a 360 degree camera so

What is what is it? But before we get to that, what is the globe prediction? The globe prediction is that at local solar noon, the sun will be at 34 degrees elevation and that at local. Oh, I misspelled it at local solar midnight. It will be at 13 degrees elevation.

That's what a model does. It makes predictions. You use geometry, you apply that geometry, and that's what you get out of it. The flat earth prediction, it sets, but when? Don't know, but it totally sets for reasons in

In fact, the map that's the Gleason map, that's the favorite map by Flat Earthers, says that on December 21st, the sun moves around the Tropic of Capricorn and during the day lights up the southern portion of the earth from the Arctic Circle and some portion of the Antarctic. There is no sunlight beyond 80 degrees south, but unknown regions of ice. On the 23rd of December, the sun commences its northward journey. Anyway, I was there on the 14th through 17th. We looked south and we saw the sun. So this is completely wrong.

So maybe it's like, well, that's not our map. Well, what map is it? Is it does does the map you use have water spilling over the edge or does it use magical teleportation like this? This one does no matter what. Any other map is just going to prove the fourth law of FLIRF. Maybe this is your map. This is a real map by a flat earther. You got teleportation plus water spilling out over the edge. This one here, magical teleportation, water spilling out over the edge.

heck this map's better it just is just as good as every other flat earth map that exists but none of these none of these maps actually work in in any other ways anyway right they might sort of almost kind of but not really work for antarctica like this one but everything else breaks so anyway

Let me remind you once again, the globe prediction is 34 degrees elevation to 13 degrees. And flat earth prediction really is just they don't have a stinking clue at all. And what did we see? In fact, this is what we saw. This was my own sundial. And the sundial is on the ground. And it turns out that the measured values, the measured amount of the sun elevation was exactly what the globe predicted.

And it did not set. And it was not only to the north, as Flat Earth predicts. So there's the sun due south. Now, on the Dirt Pizza map, there is no possibility for the sun to be seen due south because it's over north of you near Australia at the time. It does not work.

And so things in the sky, yes, they 100% can be used to determine the shape of the ground. Only people that have zero evidence would deny that to be the case. So there you go. There is no flat Earth map that works. Globe is confirmed.

All right, well, thank you to all of our panel here for making their introductory statements. MC2, in your last one, thank you so much. Wanted to screen share. And yeah, I'm not able to get access to the actual proper overlay, so I'm just going to work with this for now, and I'm going to fix it up as we go.

So let's say get into that open discussion big reminder the chat It's important where we're live to smash the like button if you're not subscribed to the channel, you know do us the honor and Yeah, once again, we're gonna take questions at the end of our open discussion So if you have a question for a speaker or if you just want to say good job

you know that's great too so good job we appreciate it good job all right we're gonna hand it over to the other side vince and can i go first yes all right you can go first there vincent if you don't mind i would just you know what i mean yeah but then i want to say something regarding this whole uh thing oh yeah yeah we're all too polite and cordial okay yeah yeah you know look

First of all, I want to just congratulate McToon for that presentation. That was very good. Now, Vince, just a quick question. I did say that

The only evidence that anybody has ever had of the shape of the earth is looking at the sky. I did say that, right? Yes. I just wanted to make sure that I said, sometimes I forget. So you predicted what McToon will pull up. I'm like, am I? Yeah. Hey, listen, this is why they're saying that online. I'm trying to deny the rumor. They're saying that, all right? The real offended hive online is saying that I'm psychic, and this is why. You know what I mean? Okay, so shout out Paul. Paul brought up the navigational charts. Yeah.

And I said it's my first time meeting Paul. So I don't have anything to compare that presentation to so I'm just gonna assume that it was good But if I'm not mistaken navigational charts are based on the stars, but we can get into that again, but the stars are Yep. Yep. That is No, I shouldn't long the children We're made the lot the lines of latitude and longitude were made based on looking at the stars. No, no splitting the global and

Okay, so how was that made initially? How did they first split the globe? What was it based on? Nautical charts. It doesn't matter. Oh, it doesn't matter. Okay. It's based on the stars. Because it is based on the stars. I just wanted to make sure.

I promise I won't interrupt you when you start talking. I promise. Oh, that promise will be alive. I come in peace. 100%. I'm happy to have interruptions, but I do want to let MC Toon jump in. It's his first jump in an open discussion, so let's try to springboard. We don't want to just keep trampling on MC Toon.

and not let people jump in when they're like, hold on a second, we need to address this thing before we get there. So go ahead when you're ready, MC. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter. You assert...

So that there's some issue with using the things in the sky. You have the burden, as this book here says, to show that it doesn't work. Just saying it doesn't work or that it doesn't count is not evidence. It is dismissed. That which is asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence.

I agree 100%. I'm glad we're on the same page. I'm going to write the events after this, but that's why I said that in the beginning. There never has been, nor will there ever be, any evidence, scientific, nonetheless, scientific experiments that show conclusively what the shape of the ground is. There will never be none. There has never been any.

i said that the only evidence that was going to be presented today would would be based on the stars all the evidence presented today has been based on the stars i'm like vince before i thought i'm like i'm unbiased i'm unbiased so far i don't know they're not convincing me vince i think i think that you're winning so far and and and i think i think mctoon might have admitted that in the beginning because he brought up eric dubaie and all these other people maps which are also not conclusive evidence

He created an Eric Dubé straw man already because I said everything he was going to say in the beginning. A straw Dubé, if you will. He created a straw Dubé. Hold on, let's let him respond. Do you think it's fair to say that that's what you've done here, MC Toon? Let's let him.

I don't care. I'm waiting for all of his assertions that he's made to be backed up with evidence as the debater's guide here says to do. It is your responsibility as a debater in this debate that you accepted voluntarily to back up your claims with evidence. So far, you interrupted me. We're even now. We're supposed to interrupt. Ask where I am. We're even now. One and one. One and one.

Ross, can I just address the navigational charts? And now Paul is interrupting. I thought it was an open discussion. He's joking around. He's European. Don't mind him. He has terrible manners. He's got terrible manners. It doesn't matter how we got to it. Do you agree that on this globe, we've got longitudinal lines and latitude lines which split the globe into portions? Do you agree with that? On that plastic toy you have right there, I agree. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Do you agree that on other globes that this is how it's divided up? On the other plastic toys, yes. If you want to call them plastic toys, yes. Do you agree that when you get a navigational chart, they also have longitude and latitude lines on them, yes? I can't confirm that because I've never physically... I'll defer to you on that.

He's back now. He's back. Well, they have navigational charts. I've longitude and latitude lines on them and there's numbers on them. It's broken down into degrees, minutes and seconds. Okay. If you take the coordinates from the navigational charts and then I go to this globe. So I take the coordinates from the navigational charts and say I look at the UK and I look roughly 50 north and minus...

30 minutes going east. That will put me roughly in my location, which is on the globe, which is here. And it also does the same thing on the map. So are you saying because the map is accurate to the locations we have on Earth, that means that the model is now conclusive evidence by itself? Yes, 100%. What other shape could it be? So if the navigational charts...

Hang on, hang on. If the navigational charts correspond to this 100%, so I take any navigational charts and I look at the coordinates on the navigational charts and I plot them on this globe and it puts me in the same location on this globe, right? Do you agree that my chart...

matches this globe well no it only matches the triangulation that you've made from the points all you're describing right now is location triangulation so i can draw a point from here where i am to la and draw any shape around that and you would have no idea just because the triangulation is accurate that does not confirm that model and and even if that model was confirmed models are not conclusive evidence alone i think everybody should agree with that

Yes, I agree. I agree with that. I'm going to get to the point. We do agree on that. We do agree on that. Okay. Yeah, I'll get to my point in a minute. So the navigational charts correspond to this globe perfectly. Yeah, do you agree? I don't know, actually. Do you agree that navigational charts work? I've never actually... Listen, I've never actually used it. Ross, have you ever been in a commercial airplane? Listen, listen, do they work without magnetic declination?

It has nothing to do with it. Have you been in an airplane? I'm asking do they work without magnetic declinations? Have you taken a commercial airplane flight? Well, answer his question, Mac Toon. Have you ever taken a commercial airplane flight? Well, answer his question first. Shut up, Vince. What was all of them? Ross, what was your question again? Well, I was asking Paul. All right.

Don't answer. We know your answer. Why are we afraid? Why are we afraid of this? I want to take it off me, though. I want to let Vince go. I've been hogging it on. Ross, let me answer your question. At this point, it doesn't matter. At this point, no, I'm not using magnetic declaration. No, I'm not. What I'm doing is plotting my location on the chart. We're talking about navigational charts. I'm plotting my location on this.

That's all I'm doing is I'm plotting the chart and I'm plotting it on this toy globe, as you call it. That's what I'm doing. It is a toy. Now, yeah. And my navigational charts matches this globe. But the thing is, is the navigational charts also matches reality. As in, I can navigate in the real world with it.

So how can that work on this and also work in reality? And on the navigational charts, Southern Hemisphere, the longitudinal lines get closer together, just like they do on the navigational charts.

It's a drawing. It's a drawing to match whatever they see in reality. I can triangulate points and draw whatever shape I want around that. I hope you know. And even if it does match, which I personally don't have experience on, that's not going

- Listen, listen, as an unbiased party, listen, as an unbiased party. - You're severely biased, stop lying. - The point is I've got a model. The point is I've got a model. The point is you haven't. Yes, you can draw a map on a piece of paper and it will work, right? But you don't have a model for that map that you've done

you don't have another model i do so i've also got the chart which is doing what you're doing which is doing from point a to point b but it also matches this as well confirming that this is the shape of the earth i'll grant you that but even if it is true that does not confirm the actual shape of the earth in order to have a scientific opinion you must have scientific experiments

that show what you're saying. It cannot be a scientific theory, not even a theory, unless you have experiment. You have no clue. The experiment is take the chart, take the coordinates from the chart,

plot it on the globe, then go out into reality and do the same thing. That's a scientific experiment to you? Yeah, that's an experiment. That would be the making of a model. That's an experiment. Okay, okay, Paul, let me ask you a question. You test a hypothesis. That's an experiment. I'm really curious about confirming that this is accurate. I do want to hand it over to MC Toon. He's trying to get a thought in here, and you guys have been hogging the time. I've got to be honest. When you're ready there, MC. An experiment. Easy. You test a hypothesis. That's it.

That's an experiment. So if you can put together a hypothesis that can be tested and then go test it, you have done an experiment. So Paul can say, here's my testable hypothesis. Take the charts and go see if those charts match the physical surface of the earth. And if you've done that, then you've done an experiment. And every single commercial airplane flight does that 100,000 times a day.

confirming that the model matches reality and that's how you confirm that the model is correct. That's a scientific experiment. But why did you call it a final experiment? There was no experiment with the final experiment. You're just observing the Sun, 24-hour Sun. Absolutely right. Ross, I was asked a specific question. I will answer that question right now and you will shut up, Ross.

Do you understand me? And if I don't... Do you understand me, little boy? Are you going to explode? Do you understand me, Ross? I don't understand you, no. All right, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to take out my earbuds. Ah, come on, my Tony. I'm going to answer the question. If Ross interrupts and you don't step in, Ryan, that's your problem. I will not over-talk him. But we all interrupt. I will just answer, and I will continue answering. I'll keep it short until I'm done. And if Ross interrupts, that makes your show crap.

It's on you, Ryan. Oh, sorry. My bad, Ryan. Here we go. All right, Mr. Meta, let's go. Here's how the final experiment is an experiment. As noted by Karl Popper in The Logic of Scientific Discovery, the basis of an experiment is a testable hypothesis. The hypothesis is the globe predicts that the Earth will, or that the sun will circle 24 hours a day. Flat Earth predicts that the sun will

not sure it will set maybe or maybe it will be only to the north that's that's the two testable hypotheses that we can do those are the two things that we did i covered both of those in my presentation so it was 100 an experiment and the conclusion of that experiment is that the earth is a globe is confirmed that hypothesis was confirmed and the hypothesis of the earth being flat was completely falsified

There you go. All right. How do we know? How do we? We're going to let them answer. And if there's any interruptions on the other side. I'm going to let Vince go. How don't we know that it's not back engineered to, you know, like whatever is going on in Antarctica? They they they modeled the globe and the tilt and all that bullshit after that. Do you know what I mean? Like they just.

modeled it after the reality of Antarctic and the sun, and they made a tilt so that it makes sense with the globe and all that shit. How do we know that that's not the case? That's exactly the case. That's how you develop a model. Yeah, think about it. He just admitted it.

He does not have, he don't have evidence of the ground. He only has evidence of the sky. Yes. Okay. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's exactly how you do it. It matters. But maybe. That's 100% how you do it. Just because you did that. Uh-huh.

Just because you say that's how you do it, that's not a scientific statement. Yes, it is. That's how you do it in science. In order for it to be a valid scientific experiment, you have to have parameters that are usually done in a lab, independent variables, dependent variables. You did not have any independent or dependent variables. All you did was go to Antarctica and look at some stuff.

- That was an observation you guys. - You just very good one. - They modeled it after the reality. - Quiet little boys. - Paul's trying to jump in here, so let's let Paul in.

I'm a big man, McToon. If you shut your mouth, I'm going to take my head. Hey, Ross, have some respect for the sensei. McToon is... Paul has the floor, guys. Let's go, Paul. Thank you very much. Yes, they did have independent and the other variable that you're talking about. One would be location, one would be time of year. So you can alter the outcome of it by changing location.

And the prediction that they did on the final experiment matched what they predicted 100%. No problem whatsoever. So, yes, they did fulfill the criteria of an experiment. Why didn't they? Go on, Ross, answer. It's not a controlled experiment. There's a bunch of variables you cannot, there's tons of variables you cannot account for. The weather being one, the time of day, the time of year. You understand? All these things are variables in a valid scientific experiment. Yeah, and let me add to that. Let me add to that. That was part of it.

Hey, listen, I looked into this little thing just briefly, and I found out that six months of the year in Antarctica, it's completely dark.

And it's from March 21st to September 21st. And from September 21st to March, it's summer there. So it's a 24-hour sun. And you guys went in the middle of that, December 14th. So you guys went into there when it's the 24-hour sun. But then there is six months where there is no sun at all.

over there and the sun is actually over here. That to me tells me the sun is rotating in circles, smaller circles and then bigger circles. I don't know if it goes up in altitude as well while it's doing bigger circles.

I just want to say this though. The sun appeared to go from right to left in your videos, Mactune. Yeah, and where I'm at in Sweden, it goes from left to right and then it disappears. Now I made the conclusion myself. Hold on, bro science right here. I made the conclusion that why it looks for me in Sweden that it goes from left to right is because we only see half of the circle.

And, you know, if I saw the whole circle, it will go from left to right and then spin around. And in Antarctica, it comes from right to left because there you see the whole 24 hour sun. But here in Sweden, I only see, you know, half of the circle. So I see it coming from left to right. But if I saw the whole circle, it would just fulfill its course and then go right to left, left to right, right to left.

Bro science, I call that. All right. I didn't get any of that. Wow. Yeah, it's complicated. Hold on. It's not complicated. What you've done is, once again, you've made assertions, but you don't have evidence, right? Remember...

You have the burden of proof. You make a claim and then you match that claim with supporting evidence. You didn't show any geometry matching your assertion. Like I said, there is no flat earth prediction for Antarctica for the elevation of the sun. You didn't just provide one. You just gave us your feelings about it. No, it makes sense.

That if it goes like a circle... It makes sense. It's feelings. No, I don't see the full circle here in Sweden. Show the geometry. Look at the picture here. I only see half of the circle, so it looks like the sun. Exactly. That's what the globe predicts. That's not possible on flat Earth. Why isn't it possible? That's just an assertion. I can support that assertion. Go ahead. 100% I can support that assertion. It's on the other side of the planet.

Yeah, there's a planet in the way. There's a planet in the way. This isn't difficult stuff. No, there's just a limit to how far you can see. Listen, listen. Vince, I just want to say to you real quick. There's a limit. That's an assertion. No, there is a limit to how far you can see. That's an assertion.

Vince, so far, I got to say, I think you're winning, Vince. You know what I mean? Like I said, I asked for measurements of the actual ground. I predicted we were only going to get measurements from the sky. You didn't get any measurements of the ground from Vince. Hey, I'm not in there. I've been quiet. There's not a single...

a curved earth measurement that we have ever. The globe has never been confirmed scientifically with science. There's an assertion again. Ever. The only thing that's ever been confirmed is experiments relating to the sky. All right.

Another assertion. You gotta let somebody else jump in, Ross. All right, so over to MC. All you've done is made assertions without evidence. So I don't care about your lie about being unbiased. You are biased. You are here as an intentionally biased participant

That is your job here, to be biased, to support your position that the earth is flat. You made your position clear in the beginning that you think the earth is flat. And so here is, I'll show you, you asked me, Ross. I'm sharing my screen. I'm sorry, Ryan, I didn't...

for for how you're having a good attitude i see right does not allow the sun to be below the horizon so here is the geometry showing that the sun cannot be below the horizon but the pictures aren't going to do this this is just this is put you on just to chill out just one second go ahead there i'm saying you you asked for evidence the evidence would be a geometrical analysis of it that's what this is

So a geometrical analysis is how you determine what the flat earth predicts. That's this. So the flat earth predicts that the sun must be above the horizon all of the time, every day of the year, no matter where you are, because the sun is a significant elevation above it. And that can never be below the horizon. So the photo that Vince showed is,

contradicts what I'm showing you right here. It does not work. But if you think it works, the burden is on you to provide the geometry showing that it matches observations of 34 degrees to 13 degrees angular elevation. Not just to say, no, that's a cartoon. You have the burden to provide the geometry. All right, Ryan, I'm going to stop the share. So just as I predicted,

No conclusive evidence, no scientific experiments, more pictures, and a straw duvet. That's a new word I just coined for, not a straw, a straw duvet. I don't really know what Eric Dubé believes. I've never actually listened to Eric Dubé one time, all right? I'm an unbiased party. I have looked for the evidence that the Earth is a globe. I have not seen it. Every time I look for the evidence, they tell me to look up.

Hey, can you show me evidence of what's going on below? Look up. It's like religion. Look up to God. Hey, Ryan. It is a religion, isn't it, Vince? It is. And a cult. And a cult. Hold on. Somebody's asking me a question. I have a question. What is the name of this debate?

So it's Flat vs. Globe, the final chapter. Okay, so now in this Flat vs. Globe, what was the intention of the debaters in this? Two people of one side, two people of the other side. Shush, Ross, I'm asking a question to Ryan. What was my position? I'm your humble student. Shush, Ross. All right, what's up? What is...

What are my position and Paul's position? And what is Vince's position and Ross's position to be in this debate as you were understood to have the debate parameters? So, yeah, the general...

The thoughts are, and I'll answer and then let's try to carry into it because I do want to try to get into some meat of the discussion would be that you guys are going to present, and I see you guys MC Toon, Paul, present evidence for why the Earth is a globe. And then on the other side, Vince, real offended, you present evidence for why it is flat.

And then the other side, you know, you talk about that evidence and why it doesn't work for you or why it just doesn't work in general. So, yeah, but let's try to get into some of that meat, right? So, I mean, Paul's been bringing up some explanations from his model that he's got there. So, yeah, you know.

If you guys want to hand it all to them in that sense, and they just get to keep bringing more for their evidence on their side, we can keep doing that. And if you want to keep kind of questioning what they're putting forward, but if you would like to present, like Vince got something in his background there. So I think Vince might have some, some maybe screen shares that we can get into that might help.

Yeah, well, look, I'm just asking Vince. Stop talking, Ross. You're not in the debate, Ross. Or else what? He's not talking to you either, buddy. Be quiet. You chose not to debate in this debate. Just one second. He's debating, Mike. Vince, if you can do a screen share and present some of the evidence for that, and we will, like I say, try to get into the meat and potatoes of this.

Yeah, this is just the image I made, you know, showing that, you know, I see the sun from left to right because I only see half of it, half of the circle path of the sun on the flat earth. But if I saw the whole, you know, path, you know, I could see that it also goes from right to left at some point and then left to right. But anyways, you want me to pull up some stuff? Yeah, I'll pull up some stuff. Hold on. Appreciate it.

And I am going to do a poll in the chat. So the earth is, and you can let us know what you think.

Somebody wants me to include your hat, Vince. You want my hat? It costs a lot of money. I only got one of these. They want to imagine if the Earth is the shape of your hat. Right, right. Basically, if we take three points, put it on Vince's hat, draw a triangle, the Earth could be that shape. It literally could. All right. We got the screen share up. GPS, everybody. We got the screen share up, so we're going to let Vincent take the reins here. So go ahead.

ahead you know how i do it i always got some weird videos and this video is kind of trying to say that the sun might be magnetic or something and you know and it's moving like sort of like that through the tropic of cancer and whatever the hell the other one is called you know uh that's one thing one possibility of how the sun is just address that one a minute vince yes yes um how would that explain the 24-hour sun in antarctica

Well, if... You kind of shot yourself in the foot there. Now, hold on. If the circle, if the sun is doing a wider circle and then also elevating upwards, it can reach Antarctic and us over here as well, but not as much. I saw the sun do south. Could it ever appear... I was just going to ask that. Could it ever appear south? Nope. I don't know. I'm just saying... The answer is no. No model.

It's your model. This makes more sense than a tilted bullshit. It makes no sense. Just because I'm quiet don't mean you guys get to jump him, all right? One at a time. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. Well, listen, at the end of the day, this whole reality doesn't make sense because it's a virtual reality. That's just a coping mechanism. No, that's what I'm saying. You're presenting a model. You guys are the closest. You're presenting a model. Hold on, hold on. And your model here doesn't match reality. Sensei Mactoon.

You know, I want to apologize for taking Craig's soul, your student, your sensei. He's the student. Jump to the evidence part here. Yeah, I took his soul. I want to apologize. Ross, when you see what Vince has here on the screen, what do you think of this explanation? So I do want to get your thoughts about what's being presented here as well.

Well, this is just a theory. Well, I want to start off by saying I think so far Vince is winning because he's the only one that's actually showed any kind of photos, non-edited, anything remotely close to resembling some form of evidence, physical evidence I can look at that resembles the ground.

So when I look at this... The evidence of a 24-hour sun in Antarctica. Okay, so... I gave evidence. He doesn't like it. He says, uh-uh, but has no reason for not liking it. No, you have evidence of the sun, yes. Evidence of the sun, yeah, but not the ground. You didn't show me anything relating to the ground, the curvature. Do you have anything that proves curvature? They don't have it! Oh, oh, wait, wait.

We know that. You ask me a question, Ryan, I will be presenting my screen. He asked me a question. I will answer that question right now. All right. Let's keep it rolling then. Sure. That's fun. I just want to wait one comment while he's bringing that up. No, Ross. No, Ross. We're going to try to talk in the vein. So before we add too much more to the time. Stop talking, Ross. All right. So once again, because Ross will interrupt, I will take out the earbuds. Touchy, touchy. Hold on, hold on. Touchy, touchy. That's a quick way to get yourself on mute. You can't be told, like, just...

Alright, don't be doing that, alright? All that, I don't know how to describe it. Passive-aggressive! Passive-aggressive! So, I'm going to ask you to unmute and present your stuff, but I have no problem putting people on mute if they're going to cut you off. I've been doing that, but yeah, that's just really trying to monopolize in a way that I'm not appreciative of. So, do you want to share your screen?

I'll share my screen, but if he mutes me, I'm relying on you to be the moderator. If he interrupts you, of course. Okay, thank you. Alright, so here is the final frame of the video that Vince played, where he said it was flat. Obviously, this is not flat. Very obviously, Vince, who accused people of lying, was lying. What do you mean? This is not flat.

This is very obviously a non-rectilinear lens. It's concave.

So anyway, here is a rectilinear lens. You can see it is below the center of frame. A barrel distortion lens will cause the straight lines to bend the opposite direction of what this is bending in the other side of the frame. So even if it was a barrel distorted lens, it's going the wrong direction for barrel distortion, proving this is not a barrel distorted lens. Here's another one.

Curved horizon again, where you can see there's curved left to right. You say, well, maybe there's barrel distortion on that one. Oh, nope. There it is above the horizon. There it is below the horizon. Same curve, same amount, same direction. It's not barrel distortion. Further, this isn't the canopy of the airplane. This is at 65,000 feet. Sorry, 46,000 feet. I can show you evidence that the canopy isn't adding curvature there.

This one here was taken in the 30s with an anastigmatic lens. I do want to ask, because you've put quite a bit up there, so I do want to ask if there's any thoughts about any of the prior... This is the last one. This is not for Ross. This is for Vince. I can talk if I want to. So anyway, here you go. There you go. Curve. So curve of the ground as requested.

All right. So if you want to leave that up for a second, Ross, go and then I will say thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. And I just want to say, based upon what I've seen so far and I've heard, I think Vince won from from the opening because I said he had he had to basically leave the debate with you and start debating Eric Dubé. Listen, man, listen.

So far, I haven't seen any measurements. All right. I will accept these photos into the ledger and examine them as evidence. But again, photos are not conclusive evidence by themselves. And they certainly are not scientific experiments. They're not scientifically confirmed evidence. So I will accept your photos. Right. We have photos that show both. So like I said, all photos are.

are, are kind of up in the air until we get some scientific evidence that confirms one either way. And we've tried to confirm curvature and we've only gotten flatness. So, so far me as the unbiased party, as a guy that takes no stance. All right. I just, I do this. I know you guys hate me because I only believe in science. All right. I, I,

I can't believe just because somebody says it just because McToon said so. I only believe in the scientific method. So if I don't see experiment, I cannot accept it. I'm sorry. Go ahead. All right, Vince. So were there any of these images that you want to look at again and maybe make some critiques? No, I just want to say, you know, to McToon, he pulled up from my video that it, you know, it looks like the lens is doing the concave whatever.

If anything, that to me tells me it is flat because it's neither concave or the other one. What is it called? Concave? Convex. Yeah, it's neither one of those. It's flat. Okay, it's flat. It's neither one of those. It's flat. The lens is proving that by going concave and convex. Okay, so it's flat. Anyways, yeah, that's all I wanted to say to Mactoon regarding that. Sensei, oh!

You're doing a great job, Vince, which is rare for you. Usually you're quite annoying, but you're halfway bearable to me. Thank you. I agree. You love doing the meta. All right, let's let Vince share his screen again. He had more to present. And I want to let Paul be the first to respond here just because we haven't heard from you in a little bit. So, Vince, I'll let you put up the next part that you were going into before we went over to MC. And, yeah, you'll have the first response there, Paul.

So is it gonna go? Is Paul gonna go? No, you're going to that one. Yeah, you're gonna present here. So this guy, you know, he's talking about how the sun speeds up during the winter while it's going a bigger circle and it slows down in the summer. Month to month based on exactly what I'm saying here. What I quickly want to show you is that a general time lapse photography video is about 30 frames per second. That's the standard.

Now keep that in mind as I show you these next two quick videos. So this is the Mackinac Bridge in Michigan in the winter, clearly with the ice. And I just want you to watch how fast the sun sets because it's moving faster in the winter months and how fast the daylight goes away real fast. Now, same bridge, very similar location. The sun is starting in a very similar location. And this video takes about three minutes in the same time-lapse speed.

And I'll wait here for a second and you will see the sun sets extremely slow in the summer compared to in the winter. And then it continues on here, hold on, it got another part, hold on. Alright, there might be a response just before you jump in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, hold on, hold on, it's just the same continuation. ... around the flat realm you live in. I'm gonna stop it here and skip ahead a little and you'll see the daylight slowly goes away instead of the winter when it's gone in an instant.

Now again, I'm going to let this just play for a second, but I want you to think back to winter times. When the sun goes down, it gets dark real fast. And in the summer, when the sun goes beyond the horizon or to the vanishing point where you can no longer see its light, the light from the sun still lasts because it's moving much, much slower. And again, just to compare that to how quickly it sets here, watch how fast this is moving in the winter time. Same time lapse speed.

This video is 17 seconds, the other one's 5 minutes. Okay, so what I want to do now is show you the location of the sun and how it changes from month to month. It might be good to get some back and forth. I'll let you finish up the video, but there might be some injections here, just what we've already seen. Never mind, never mind. He didn't play it on silent. Play it on silent. The time lapse doesn't look like it's the same speed.

It's clearly not the same speed. He's just lying. Okay, maybe it's not. That's an assertion. That's an assertion. We don't know for sure. You would have to demonstrate that it is the same speed. You would have to demonstrate your whole model. He asserted the same speed, but it's clearly not. You asserted that it's a globe, and I don't think it is.

- All right, I'm gonna let you jump in here again, Ross, but yeah. - You have no proof either. Listen, hold on, hold on, all around, all around. Let me take this away for a second. - You're like, no, don't let Ross back. - Let me just say this. - You're good, you're good, you're good. - You guys call us tarded. You guys call us delusional. - Watch the R word, watch the R word. - Yeah, I just said tarded. - Oh, my bad, my bad. - Yeah, you just call us tarded. We're actually observing

flatness you guys are delusional and wants to hypnotize us to believe in some weird fictionary spinning curving nonsense we are the sane ones you are the crazy ones we are not the cultists you are and you know what before i'm gonna end this here we you know how we are not the cultists because it takes a lot to to actually say we don't believe in the globe okay

It actually takes some balls, because you get ostracized by society and people like McToon and Craig, by the way. That's not a cult. The cult is going with the consensus, going with the system. You guys are for the system. We are Neo. You guys are Agent Smiths. We are Neo, fighting for humanity, fighting for the truth. Bazaam. Now over to you guys.

All right. Let's, uh, hand it to you. Uh, okay. So yeah, no evidence there anyway. So you want, um, uh, you, you said Vince that you had the, the, the video that you trusted and, and, uh, that, but it was obviously curved, uh, due to the lens. I showed you three examples that were definitely not curved due to the lens with, uh,

evidence about the lens that I can give more details. They're on my website already, mctune.net slash curve, all the details about the lens for all of those there. So all you did was you, you, you took your obviously manipulated and warped photo and said, therefore flat. Yes. Very, very dishonest. Then you played another video. A video is just a,

series of photographs, a series of photographs, photographs, which guess who doesn't accept? Ross doesn't accept photographs. So Ross should be definitely getting on your case for showing a series of photographs. He is unbiased. He does not accept photographs as evidence.

He got you there. He got you. Doesn't. Yeah, but you're on my ass debate because he's unbiased. This debate is between two parties where both parties are biased. He's saying he shouldn't even be in this debate. But obviously he's lying. That's what flat earthers do. He's very biased.

He said at the beginning that he definitely does say that the Earth is flat, making him a flat earther, making him biased. So he is there. He's lying when he says he's unbiased. No, he's just observing reality, Mac Toon. He's observing reality. He's not seeing any curve, any evidence for a curve, only evidences from the sky and shit. That's what he's saying. But I showed evidence of the ground curving.

with those pictures he did not accept the evidence of the ground curving instead he hand-waved dismissed all photographs categorically so you just not accept this video though

I didn't dismiss the video. Oh, he got you there? Yes, you did. Both of you dismissed it. Ross, oh, no. I expect that the assertion of it being the same time-lapse speed is supported. He did not support that assertion. He got two videos. He doesn't know the details of them. And I think the audience pretty clearly can identify whether or not those are the same rate of time-lapse speed.

Anyway, so since Ross doesn't accept basically anything as evidence, he doesn't take things in the sky as evidence, he doesn't take photographs, he doesn't accept photographs as evidence, then what will he accept as evidence since neither of those are allowed? So, Ross, what will you accept as evidence? I would like to agree with Nicktoon about the picture part. Like I said, Vince, he got you there. I'm unbiased, so I have to give credit where credit's due. However, however...

Like I said, because all photographs can be entered at the same level. I do not accept anything that requires belief. I only accept scientific experiment that is easily repeatable. All right, so between this half right,

all right i i don't accept almost anything i'm not religious i'm not anything i don't believe in not not nothing unless i can observe it and do an experiment on it and and like like they believe only believe half of what you see none of what you hear half of what you see that's why we have the scientific process that's why you guys hate me because i only believe in science go ahead vince

Ross, if we live on a globe, what do you expect to see? So let's say we do live on a globe. What would you expect to see and what would satisfy you? Well, well, well...

I mean, and this is why in my presentation, I said that the earth is either not a globe or it's bigger than the radius value. So the reason why I don't have enough evidence to believe it is because when they try to test the radius value, it never comes out correctly. So that's why I said, I'm like, I'll accept that it's a globe, but at some point somebody has to accept that it's bigger because that radius value is not it. We test it every day. So,

I would need to see some form of curvature measurement that at least gives some form of consistent radius value along different points around the Earth. With all the technology that we have, it should be very easy to do that. Do you know that surveyors do that? I have that ready. Well,

MC Toon says he's got what you're looking for right here. So I take it you want to do a screen share. Yes. Yeah. All right. So he says he wants measurements of the surface of the Earth. Well, that's exactly what I have. So this right here is...

Consistent measurements at ratcheted radius value. All right. We're going to let MC Toon present what you're – yeah, you would ask a question, so we'll then present this. And once again, it's your roles. All right. So these are reciprocal zenith angle measurements done by a surveyor.

That is somebody that's measuring the surface of the earth. He's not looking up at the sky to do this. He's simply measuring reciprocal zenith angles. And a reciprocal zenith angles is where you go a distance apart and you measure the angle from vertical, right? So the departure from vertical of a target on one side, and then you go to the other side to the same spot that you just measured to, and you measure that back to where you're from.

And if the Earth is flat, then those should sum to 180 degrees. And if the Earth is a globe, then they must sum to more than 180 degrees. And right here, they sum to 90 degrees, 0 minutes, and 10.1 seconds. And he's accurate to a tenth of a second here. So he is three significant figures better than needed here.

to confirm that there is, in fact, curvature of the surface of the Earth. So this isn't a photograph of the curve because you didn't like it. This is measurements. Okay, all right. Just a quick question, though. MC2, so would that apply to, like, two towers on a bridge? So are you saying with that there would slightly be a part like that rather than vertical if the bridge is long enough?

Yes.

I think that those angles that you put there are probably accurate, but I've debated a guy who actually takes these measurements before and he showed his angles and they do not come out the same every time. As a matter of fact, he has to change a lot of those measurements and take averages. As far as I know, like I said, I'll accept your guys' word for that because that's not my thing. And then I also wrote down nice hands, McToo. Oh, yeah, you have nice manicured fingers. They're not my hands. Oh, sorry. Well, whoever's hands are, they have nice manicured. Baron Rutledge.

Either way. Part of the process, 100% in order to increase precision is to take averages. So yes, they took averages. Good job. That's the right way to do it. Not taking averages is not the right way to do it. And if you were the end-all, be-all authority about who determines what is the right and wrong way to do it, maybe I'd accept it.

But I don't accept that. I just, I only believe in science. I'm sorry. I know you religious people hate me. That's how you do science. Yeah, you take averages. You take multiple measurements and you do statistical analysis on those measurements. That's necessary in science. All the measurements I have seen have all been accurate to plain survey measurements up to

No, I just showed you one that is not accurate to plain survey measures. That was a picture of somebody's fingers and some writing on a piece of paper, McToon. What would you expect? Tell you what, I'll just tell you the numbers and I won't even show you the picture. It was 10.1 seconds more than 180 degrees.

You can never show it in actual reality, though. That is a measurement in actual reality. No, I want to see some stuff in actual reality. That's what that was. That was an actual measurement in actual reality. But Ross doesn't accept pictures, so I won't show a picture of even the data. I will simply tell you

Through words. Let me clarify. That's the only thing Ross will accept. 10.1 arc seconds. Yeah, who cares what Ross will accept? Who gives a... 10.1 arc seconds more than 180 degrees. I don't care what Ross accepts. Confirming that the Earth is in fact a sphere. Are you able to respond? No, it's not a sphere. I don't see any spheres, man. I only see my balls. Where is it?

Excuse him, guys. I'm sorry. Listen, he's not home trained, okay? He's not home trained. Hold on, hold on. He's stealing jokes from the live chat. That's low. So hold on. This video I have behind me is seen so far over the city or whatever this is.

You guys want me to believe... I want you to show measurements. So does Ross. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Ross insists that you show measurements and he doesn't accept the video. I don't care about Ross. Listen, if I were to fly down to any part of that city over there, it's going to always be flat no matter where I land. There's an assertion.

Are you telling me that this whole city is built... Hold up. Are you saying this whole city is built based on a curve? Makes zero sense. Zero sense. That's BS. Is there evidence of that curve? I just showed it. How big the Earth is and that distance... Yeah, of course. It's always so big that you will never see it. Hold on, guys. Hold on, hold on.

We're going to let Paul jump in. The distance on the globe for that city on here, it's going to look flat, isn't it? It's going to be so minuscule on this globe if you actually put that city on it. In fact, you probably wouldn't even be able to see that city on the globe. It's that small. Of course it's going to look flat from that height. Of course. Fantastical explanations. It may look flat, but we should still be able to measure it, especially when we do... You can. I already showed you a measurement. Listen, we do line of sight, radio wave propagation...

Pull it up. Pull it up. You know, I've pulled this up already. Don't care. Pull it up. Don't make the assertion if you're not ready to pull it up. Listen, listen. Again, all right, we do line of sight, radio wave propagation. No, we don't. And McToon has seen this data in debates with me. He's seen the data with me in debates. Pull it up. Okay, so...

All right. There has never been a measurement of the ground. If you don't have it, I don't care. Pull it up or shut up. I'm sorry that the end of my sentence is interrupting the beginning of yours. If you don't have the evidence, I don't care. I'm sorry the end of my sentence. You are now the interrupter. You know, that used to be Ross, but now it's McToon.

I just want us to be friends, guys. Okay? Can we have a nice, educated discussion? We are friends. Okay. Let's try to put a bow onto it. I want to try to get some, like I say, of that evidence and those screen shares back up because you guys actually get into it at that point and we stop talking about the debate. We do the debate. You know what I mean? I'm

I don't mind if you guys want to deal with the evidence that I have, but it's like we've debated so many times on it, they can never... You didn't bring any evidence. You just made assertions. That which is asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence. You twisted my arm, Mithun. You twisted my arm. All right, fine. I'll screenshot. All right.

Just for old time's sake. All right. For old time's sake. I know we go through this every single time. Nobody ever has a rebuttal. All right. The earth is not moving. Everybody already knows about the Nicholson and Morley experiment. They try their best to blame it on the fact that they're changing. I am still talking. I am still talking. Stop interrupting me. We're playing by the rules, guys.

He's on mute. Please continue without getting distracted and present what you have so that we can respond. Okay, so we all know that the Migrosanian Moralee proved that the Urge wasn't moving a long time ago. That's just one experiment that anybody can do. I don't like talking about it too much because that's boring. Everybody talks about the same thing, all right?

Aries failure, another experiment you can do at home, water in the telescope. It's explained right here. Not confusing, okay? If the Earth is moving, you get one effect. If the stars are moving, you get another effect. You do the experiment a hundred times, the Earth

is not moving. All right? So that's why it doesn't matter what the sun is doing. Whatever it's doing is doing above Earth that's not moving. So I accept all evidence that McToon enters into the ledger about the sun. But it means nothing about the Earth. All right, let's leave that up for a second and...

is it still up uh well you i think you just minimized it but yeah if you can bring it back up so let's get some response there and then i'll let you continue since it looks like you have quite a bit there so all right i i've i've read aries uh paper there the conclusion is that that clinker fuse's hypothesis was wrong clinker fuse's hypothesis is the undulating theory of light

I've read all of Michelson-Morley, and the conclusion there is that the ether theory or the undulating theory of light is not correct. So both of those experiments conclude that there is no ether, that the ether hypothesis is wrong. If you've not read them, then I don't think you should be talking about them. But if you do want to speak to them, I would be very happy for you to show the actual theory.

you know page and paragraph where they're making the conclusion that supports your assertion but i've read them i know they don't exist now you were going to bring up stuff about this line of sight radio waves but you didn't do that uh like i said listen let's not move to basketball before before we're done with the tennis match that you're losing all right if you want to bring up a sentence

From the authors of the Mickelson and Morley experiment that says the conclusion of this experiment is that there is no ether. I would love to see that because I've never seen that ever in my life. Great response. Yeah, you made an assertion. Oh, no, I did not. Oh, my gosh. You said that the conclusion of the Mickelson and Morley was that there is no ether. Can you prove that assertion? Just to be sure, you do not assert that Mickelson and Morley exist.

Proved earth stationary. You don't assert that you don't just assert that they proved that there was no ether Got it. Did you just assure you're running from your assertion? What was it? What was Ross's claim about Michelson Morley? Why do you need to go to the audience was his

Because I'm showing that he's a liar. You already beat him in the debate. That's what I'm doing. Ross is a liar. So rude. What did you assert about that? Run from your assertion. Listen, you said that Nicholson and Morley experiment proved that the ether did not exist. That's an assertion, is it not? Oh my gosh. Is it not an assertion? Run from your assertion there. Answer the question, McDonough. Sir. That's not what I said.

What did you say? What was your assertion then? Go ahead. I said it falsified Ether. Okay. Can you prove that assertion? Yes. Go ahead. Show us that it falsified Ether.

Alright, I want to remind the audience here that the first entry into the topic of Michelson-Morley was Ross claiming that Michelson-Morley proved the Earth is stationary. He is running from that assertion. Well, I said I don't like talking about Michelson-Morley. I like talking about Aries failure because that's boring. Word for word. Everybody talks about Michelson-Morley. You guys are just going to say the same thing over. Nobody wants to hear that. That's why I brought up multiple experiments.

You wouldn't have brought up a single one. Not one experiment, McToon. So I know you hate me because I only believe in science. But understand, there's one religious group and one scientific group. I'm not religious. You guys are religious. Experiments. Look, two of them right here. Two experiments. You see? I don't BS around. I get right to it.

Did you have any thoughts on this one, Paul? Just kind of looking at you, just thinking, are we the only sane people here at this point? I swear. No, you guys are having fun. It's all good. But yeah, me and Paul are just chilling right now. Let's hear from you. This is beyond my knowledge. I'm not familiar with enough on the experiment to get into a topic on this. Fair enough.

Alright Ross, are you done with this boring shit? I'm done man, I'm done. Take it away from the screen man. This is why I don't bring it up anymore because it's not fun, okay? All I saw was pictures. I'll share. I'll share here. He prefers Aerie. That's fine. Here's Aerie's paper. I think myself justified in concluding that the hypothesis of Professor Klinkerfuse is untenable.

There you go. There is Ares' conclusion showing that the hypothesis of clinker fuse is untenable, which is about the undulating theory, the ether. So that is what the conclusion is. The conclusion is no ether.

I did not see the word ether on that paper one time. So he's, that's dishonest. It's called undulating theory. Shush. It's called undulating theory of light. Well, pull up undulating theory and explain how that experiment shows that there is no ether for us.

Explain it to us. Teach us. I'm unbiased. I want to learn. A discussion has taken place in the continent conducted partly in the a German thing here. Partly independent pamphlets on the change of direction of light ray which will receive as inferred from the undulating theory of light, the ether, and

when it traverses a refracting medium which has motion of translation the subject to which his attention is particularly called the effect that would be produced by the apparent amount of angular displacement of a star planet that's caused by the can i get into the portion of translation

And is known as the aberration of light. So the aberration of light is referring to the 1727 paper by James Bradley. That might have been confusing to the average person. To me, it was not. They're talking about the angles of light. Like I said...

If you get one, I said, let's not complicate it for the average person in the audience. All right? If you get one effect, it shows that the angle is coming from a movement of the stars. If you get a different effect, it shows that the angle is coming from the movement of the ground. All right? The experiment has been done over and over again. I even had the original document in there. There was not even the word ether one time in there. McToon thinks he can confuse us by just saying stuff. You see what happens when I make him bring it up? When I make him actually bring it up, when I put his feet to the fire, it just proves I'm right again. Fire.

So once again, in this paper, they are referring to the ether as the undulating theory of light. That's an assertion. That's an assertion. I asked you to bring it up. You could not find it. I don't give a damn that you don't know that they're talking about the ether when they say the undulating theory of light. Vince, did you see the word ether in there? I'm just curious. No, I did not. I saw why it's like something. Okay.

It is not a winning strategy for you to deny that they're talking about ether when they use the words undulating theory of life. That is completely what they're talking about. Here we have, once again, the conclusion is, I think myself justified in concluding that the hypothesis of Professor Klinkerfuse is untenable.

So there you go. Aries failure falsifies the undulating theory of light, which is also known as the ether theory. He did not confirm that last part. Those first two parts. I don't care. He doesn't care about science. He doesn't care about science. It's my turn now. It's my turn. It's my turn, sir. Except for you. Hey, McToon, it's my turn. All right. Listen, again.

Again, all right, I only believe in scientific experiment. I showed the scientific experiment. He claimed the conclusion was something that it did not claim. When he went and started describing the undulating theory to anybody who has a brain could tell that it was not talking about the ether. It was talking about the angles of light and how it traverses, traverse travels. I don't know why you think that you can confuse us by saying, I say it's this. I'm McToon and I say so. All right. Don't hate me because I only believe in science, McToon. All right. I'm sorry.

I cannot join your religion. I will not join your cult. I know that you heard me say that to you. So now you start telling other people that. But I told you that first, McToon. I'm the first one that told you you are Pastor McToon. All right. So stop telling other people that they are in a cult. Sensei McToon. Get it right. I'm sorry. Sensei McToon. All right. Well, once again, I have referred to a scientific experiment and I've shown that that was my experiment.

He's completely wrong about what he is asserting about his experiment. Nowhere in this experiment, in the write-up of it, does it say that somehow it shows that the Earth is not moving. In fact, it shows that if they weren't testing for that, that was well known for well over 150 years. What about this document, though, McDonough? Never saw that in that paper, for the record. You just said that. That was not in that document. What about this NASA document that I got behind me?

What about that one? It says flying over a non-rotating Earth, flat Earth. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Okay, I'm glad to answer that. I have read all of those. There's 44 of them that have been brought up by Dean Odle and Nathan Roberts. I have them on my website, mc2.net slash govdocs. Okay.

You can review, you can read through my reviews of them and I have links to every single one of them. The particular one you're showing there does say it gives a list of assumptions. These are simplifying assumptions that are used in engineering. And they say these things because they were not included in the computation of the of the engineering model there.

so that the next people that do it know that they need to include it. So the other thing... Hold on, why does it say the derivation makes no assumptions of reference trajectory or vehicle symmetry?

It makes no assumptions. Yeah, it makes no assumptions about that. But it does assume things about that there is no wind. It assumes that an airplane is a point mass. It's not, but it assumes it. It assumes that the plane is rigid, which it's not. And it assumes that the plane does not change in mass while it's flying, which it does. So all of these assumptions, along with they didn't include the rotation of the Earth and they didn't include the curvature of the Earth, are listed in there

specifically because those things do exist and that the next engineers using this product need to include those in their computations. It is in fact 100% confirmation that the Earth is rotating and spherical. Yeah, I don't believe that. It's just simplifying it. If you don't need to include something... Why do they say it just like that? I just explained it. They would need to be able to explain it more simply, like...

We're saying this is a flat, non-rotating Earth, but it's really not. And that airplanes don't change mass. And that airplanes are rigid. And that wind does not exist. Does wind not exist? Is that the case? I mean, it depends on how you define it. Can I ask Paul a question? Did wind stop existing? It depends on how you define it. Can I ask Paul a question real quick? Yeah. I have a question for Paul. Paul, are you a pilot? Is that true? Yes.

Okay, so I've heard this, but I don't know if this is true or not. I'm not a pilot myself. Is it true that in the pilot manual, it says you fly the pilot, you fly the plane like it's flat and non-rotating? Is that true? Or is that just something that people say? Because, you know, flat-erters will say anything, so you never know, you know what I mean?

Not in the aeroplanes that I fly, that's not in the manual, but yeah, it does state that when you're flying a plane, you can treat the Earth as if it's flat and non-rotating, because there's no point in complicating things, because it's irrelevant to flying a plane. Whether the Earth's rotating or not, it doesn't affect the way you fly the plane, so there's no need to mention it. The same as if we are on a rotating globe, and you're learning to drive a car, you can ignore the fact that the Earth's rotating.

Right. So and you're the first time I've actually talked to a pilot. I mean, and I've been able to ask him that question. I wasn't sure if it's true. I hear people say stuff like all technology depends on the earth being a globe or it being moving. I'm like, no, it's actually the opposite. The most important technology, an airplane depends on the earth not moving, depends on the earth not being a globe.

No, it doesn't depend on it not moving. It's just when you're learning to fly, you don't need to worry about the Earth's rotation. Worry about things that aren't really there, like a non-existent curve or a non-existent rotation. It doesn't affect you flying the aircraft. But once you've learned to fly the airplane and then you start doing the navigation, then you have to take the Earth's rotation into account. Just learning to fly the plane, you can ignore the Earth's rotation when flying the plane, but when...

But when navigating, once you've got your license, you do need to take that into account. One of the things that I do when I'm flying is I've got a direction indicator, which basically works on a gyro. So every 15 minutes, I correct the direction indicator and line it up with my magnetic compass. Because the Earth is rotating, after about 15 minutes, that direction indicator will be one or two degrees off depending on where you are on the planet.

But you can be one or two degrees off within about 15 minutes. So if you were to forget about that and an hour later, you could be flying on a heading, which is, you know, up to 10 degrees off, which would put you in the wrong location. So in that instance, I would do take that into account. Okay. So when you're, you said when you're starting off, but now when you land though, when you land, you don't take the rotation or the curvature into account when you're landing, correct? No, no. Why would I need to? Why would I need to?

Or why do you think I would need to? I don't think you would need to because I don't think that it's rotating or curving. On a rotating globe, why would you need to? Well, because if you're taking off, let's say the globe is rotating east to west, and you're taking off east,

You know what I mean? You're going to have to take in however many miles per hour and adjust. If you're taking off west, then it's completely the opposite way. Why? Because we live in a world where the laws of physics exist, McToo. Yeah. I always start my debates on – let me just say this real quick. What's the first law of motion? Real quick, and I'll let you respond. What's the first law of motion? Hold on.

- Yeah, I always ask my debates by saying this. - Go ahead and say your point and then he's gonna ask you. - The answer is conservation of momentum. If you leave a location and you're traveling, you will keep that momentum until something affects it. So when you're coming into land, you don't need to take that into account. - Because there is no curve, that's why. There is no curve to take account for. - That's not the conclusion. - Like I have said in most of my debates, we believe in the Earth that follows the laws of physics, all right?

Every time you guys are trying to tell me about something that doesn't involve technology that's life or death, it's always theoretical. It's the laws of physics. That's unreasonable. One second. You're not going to learn anything because you don't listen. I do want to let MC Toon ask the question and go down this path. So let's do that. Yeah.

Yeah, so Ross has pretended that he cares about the laws of physics. The first law of motion, one of the laws of physics, is the conservation of momentum. So according to the laws of physics, if you take off on a plane on a globe rotating any direction at any velocity...

You have conservation of momentum. So you do not need to take into account the rotation of the earth. When I was flying on the plane to Antarctica, I threw something to Dave McKeegan. When I threw that to Dave McKeegan, I did not take into account the 500 miles an hour that we were moving because relative to Dave McKeegan and according to the laws of physics between us, I did not need to take that into account for the same reason you don't need to take that into account when you're landing a plane.

Exactly. You're muted, Ross. Oh, good. That's how everybody wants it. I'm too polite. I mute myself when I'm not listening. So again, like you said, I'm just going to, I'm going to take your lead on this. All right. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. All right. You said, because I say this, then this, and then because I say that, then that must mean this. Okay. So that's incorrect. But if you do want to talk about the law of conservation of energy, all right,

you are completely the conservation of momentum or energy, whatever you are completely debunking. Basically the idea that there are, uh, um, um, um,

Tidally locked What is the word I'm looking for? Satellites up there If you have satellites that are above the exact same spot On the earth Or whatever they're called The satellites that stay above the same spot on the earth Allegedly If they're above the same spot on the earth And the earth is moving Based upon the long conservation of momentum There is no extra speed

There is no extra speed for a satellite to maintain with the same spot on the Earth. It's physically impossible. It defies the laws of physics. Show the application of the laws of physics.

So are you running away from what I just said? I mean, we can do it. I'm asking you to support your assertion. What was my assertion? Still, man, my assertion. Your assertion is that geostationary satellites are not possible. Support that assertion. Well, OK, so they have to move a much further distance if they are rotating. OK, so there needs to be more energy, more speed in order for something that has to go a greater distance to move at the same time.

Yep. Okay. So where does that extra where's that extra energy come from? Where's that extra speed come from the rocket the rocket the rocket? Okay, so you're telling me they have subscriber mode only live chat. Keep going guys

Okay, so you're telling me that you can confirm that they have geo, whatever you call them, satellites that are up there and that they're being powered by rockets to stay on the same spot? That's your assertion? No, just to get there. Just to get there. Once they're there... Yeah, conservation momentum then. Okay, so if they're moving with the Earth, it has to move a greater distance than the spot on the Earth

Where is that extra energy coming from? Is it a rocket? That's when they launched it.

They launched it to get it in place. It's moving now. So how is it moving a bigger distance than the Earth? How is it doing that? The rockets. So the rockets are pushing it. Rockets are pushing it in line with the Earth. The rockets got it up to that velocity. Maybe you don't understand my question. Conservation of momentum. Conservation of momentum takes over then. But if that was true, it couldn't stay in the same spot because it would be moving slower. No, the rocket got it moving the same speed as the surface of the Earth.

No, it's not moving the same speed. It has to move faster. The same angular speed. The same angular speed. Yeah. Okay, so that's your assertion. I thought you might understand that. I guess I was... You have to be specific. You have to be specific. So that's your assertion. That's your assertion.

- The earth rotates, hang on, I'm trying to explain it. The earth rotates once in 24 hours. When the satellite is up there, it is also rotating once in that 24 hours. - A much greater distance. - Yes, it is a much greater distance, of course. - Okay, and so how is it moving faster than the earth?

Because when they put it into orbit, they calculated the speed that it would have to do to get it into that orbit, and then it stays at that speed. Fantastical excuses. Listen, I'm confused now, because you're saying that it gets up there in the Earth orbit, but if it's in the Earth orbit, how is it moving faster than the Earth? It can't move faster than the Earth in the Earth orbit. It's just orbit in the Earth. It doesn't matter what the Earth is doing underneath it. It's just orbit in the Earth. But it shouldn't matter, because it's a geolocked satellite. So if

It's with the same part of the earth. So it has to matter what the earth is doing. See, this is why I'm confused, guys. This is why Vince is beating you guys. It's a two-on-one and he's destroying it. It's way over your head, Ross. I get that. I'll explain it. It might be over your head because you're incredibly short, but it's not over my head. Trust me. You just have all that time. All right. Trust me. Hold on, Ross. You have all the time. How tall are you, McToon? I'm 178 centimeters. 5'10", right?

I'm 5'10". All right. So the rocket, this is a middle orbit. The rocket needs to get the satellite up to have the same angular velocity as the Earth. And there's a certain elevation where you can do that, that it's where everything is in sync with each other. So you get it at that same elevation, you get it above the equator, you get it at that correct velocity, and then it will stay in that position. And then, of course, the rocket doesn't stay with it, doesn't continue.

And then conservation of momentum keeps it in that spot in orbit indefinitely until maybe there's a tiny bit, not much, at that elevation of friction causing it to slow down.

So that's how. This isn't difficult. I understand what you're saying, but it seems contradictory because you're saying controversial momentum is helping it speed up. No, I didn't say that. This is a direct contradiction. The rocket sped it up. No, the rocket sped it up. The rocket got it into place. But it has to consistently move faster than the Earth today, right now.

How is it doing this? When it goes up, it moves faster and faster until it goes a further distance from the Earth. Why? It's moving much faster. Why is it moving faster? Why? So that it can stay in one... Hold on, so it has a rocket that launches it, and then it has a rocket that, you know, thrusts it. Yes.

Come on, man. I don't believe that shit. Don't care. I mean, listen, I just want to know what the claim is for sure because they're not going to ask them to prove it because this is just their assertion right now. There's no evidence of this, but I want to know what the claim is for sure. How is it even staying up there? All right? Because you're saying that they use a rocket to get up there and then it starts going faster. If it's going faster than the Earth, like you're saying, right, if it is, then at some point there would have to be some adjustment of speed.

How are they getting it to be tidally locked exactly right there? It's not tidally locked. It's magic, Ross. It's magic. It seems like magic to me. Wizards with their magics. Ross, the Kando small adjustments once they're up there. Blowing balls.

So they're making adjustments while they're up there, right? I would have to assume. Yeah, they do orbit-keeping adjustments as well. That's what I've been asking. Okay, so is there proof of these orbit-keeping adjustments and the technology that moves this rocket that you guys speak of now that we finally have gotten to an actual assertion?

Let's review. Everybody back up to how this topic was introduced. This topic was introduced by you claiming that the laws of physics don't allow this to happen. And so we simply... I'm saying it wouldn't make sense why it's moving if that was the case. Stop talking while I'm talking. I'm not claiming it's not up there. Just so we know...

Stop talking. Let's back up a little bit. You claim that the laws of physics didn't allow it to happen. We only then, in response to that, bring up and explain to you...

The laws of physics showing that they do in fact support. You assert something, yes. You make an assertion, yes. About the laws of physics. Okay. Absolutely. And I don't, I'm not going to support the laws of physics. Oh, he's not going to support the assertion. If you don't have that education, that's on you, not me. I don't have that as my necessary thing to explain the laws of physics to you.

Answer accepted, but just like you said in the beginning, just to clarify, you said that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, so you refuse to bring evidence up?

Point Vince! Point Vince! If you want to deny the laws of physics, that's going to be funny. I love it when flat earthers do that. It's not a winning strategy. It's embarrassing for you. I'm not denying the laws of physics. I'm denying how you claim they work on a specific satellite, and I would like you to bring up evidence to support your...

assertion if you have evidence for that assertion of what the satellites are doing i would love to see it now or forever hold your peace or you're a liar mactoon you're a liar he might know i don't he might just be a brainwashing believer okay he could be a real my dad believes in the bible i don't think he's lying he is just confused right i agree

I'm not an expert on satellites or rockets, but in my opening statement, I showed a video of where I plotted the International Space Station. Yes, yes. And then I spoke up to the space station and you heard me get a response. Did you? Yes, yes, I did. Yes. Can you explain or what's your understanding of what I did? How did I do that? When I could track it on the Internet of where the space station was, I could see the light in the sky as it came over the horizon and pointed my antenna at it. Well, 10 minutes, right? 10 minutes.

The opening window is roughly about 10 minutes, yes. And the radio signal must be straight, right? No, I point the antenna at it. Yeah, but it has to be straight at it, right? It can't be curved. The radio signal is not curved, right? I actually point it actually slightly in front of it due to the speed. Yeah, but it's still straight in a different angle, right? To catch it.

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founded on a belief that the wise heart seeks knowledge. An Emory education combines experiential learning in Atlanta and beyond with unrivaled collaboration and discovery, all to prepare you for a world that needs your leadership. Learn more at emory.edu. Is it going in a straight trajectory or is it curving? It's like shining a torch. It's the easiest way to explain it. Oh my gosh. Torch!

It's going straight, right? It's like shining a torch. The three little signals are like shining a torch. It has to go straight, right?

She goes straight to it, yes. It's going straight. That's all I want to say. You haven't explained anything. I just want to know that you need to be directly under it for 10 minutes, then you lose contact with it. Why can't you just point it even more and get contact with it? Speaking of 10 minutes, we're going to hit Q&A. The globe is in the way.

It probably flies or travels. So you have to catch it in the 10 minute frame.

Let me answer Paul's question. Again, I'm not a mathematician, so I have seen this math, all right? But now whether it's correct math or not, I'm going to have to take the word of the people in the book that I was looking at it, okay? So I don't deny that satellites are up there. But as far as I know, mathematically, the actual math that they use to send the satellites up there

are math that take into account a non-rotating flat earth, which uses the centripetal force from the rotating stars, sun and moon that they claim is what keep those satellites up there and moving. As far as I know. Okay. So now I have not, like, again, I'm not a mathematician. So asking me, Oh, do the, I'm like, listen,

I don't know. But as far as I've seen, the math that they use to put those satellites up there, they assume a non-rotating flat Earth. So if the satellites are up there, as you say, I believe that they're up there circling a non-rotating Earth and using the stars, excuse me, the momentum of the stars, the sun, the moon, to keep them in persistent motion. As far as I know, that's the actual math that NASA uses to put those satellites up in the first place.

Let's see your math. Let's see it. I have a video on my TikTok because they don't like me talking about Flat Earth on YouTube. I don't want the video. I want the actual math. I wanted you to bring up evidence a few minutes ago and you started doing a Rubik's Cube, sir. Anyways, I... It's far too late to not talk about Flat Earth at this point, so if you want to bring up your TikTok and

show that come on maxine smile not to put you on the spot but i mean you say you have it so i mean like he doesn't have i want mac to do i do have it no i'm not talking about the flatter to make mac toon smile for a moment now we can go back now we can go back thank you that's what i want to see smile look at it all right he's like a 50s wife you just have to act you look way more attractive when you smile i'm being

Non-gay, Mac Toon. You look way more attractive with your smile. That came out a little gay there. Yeah, but I'm not gay. I'm just saying you look way better. Not that we have any problem with the gays. No, no. We have no problems with the gays. Freddie Mercury. Freddie Mercury is my favorite artist, but I'm not gay. But anyways, listen, Mac Toon, quickly. Hey, guys. You look way better when you smile. Ryan, can I just give him the compliment? God's sake.

- Just give him the compliment. - No, you're not swiping left, swiping right on MC Toon here, all right? We're talking about- - He's a very pushy European. I have to deal with this every day. - I'm just saying he looks better when he smiles. - All right, guys, all right. - Everybody looks better when they smile. - Maybe we'll just hit that Q and A if this is where we're gonna go. - No, no, no, not just yet, hold on. - Well then, get us back to the flat versus globe.

They don't want to talk about the... You keep smiling. The curved horizon photos that I showed. You keep smiling. The measurements of the curving surface of the Earth that I showed. The falsification of flat Earth that I showed. They don't want to talk about any of that. Right.

That's a farce. That is propaganda. I'm just saying this. If no wizards with these technologies told us it was a globe, nobody would believe it because their actual reality shows us that it's a plane, a virtual reality. And like I showed in my introduction, there is no curve.

I want you to address that, Mac Toon, with a smile. - I already did. - With a smile. No, no, no, there is no- - Absolutely. I will address- - It wouldn't take us long to realize we live on a globe. - One more time. - Your scientist priest- - He's gonna do the grimace now just to spite you, I swear. - This is-

For reference, this is the photo that Vince says there is no curve. Right there. This is Vince saying there is no curve. We've already been through this one. Isn't that from a video of Vince? Yeah, it's a curve. No, that's just showing you a convex or concave. I don't know which one. That's a curve. Yeah, but it's just showing you...

It is confirming that it's flat because it can go both concave and convex, right? That must mean in the middle, just like Rocky says, Apollo says to Rocky or Apollo's teacher says to Rocky, he says, hit the one in the middle. The middle is the straight one. The other one is concave, convex. That proves the middle is the truth. Just like Apollo Creed's teacher told Rocky in Rocky 4, man, hit the one in the middle. That's the one.

That's the one that is the truth. Listen, listen, Mactoon, they just got Rocky in his hometown last week. He's excited about Rocky. He just barely saw it last week. All right. This is proving that the lens is a fisheye lens. That's what this is doing. Yeah, but Mactoon, hold on.

It can go both ways, right? When it goes upward, it's coming. Because the lens is distorting. Yes. But when it's in the middle, it's showing the true shape.

That's not how you do it. Yes, it does because it can go this way and it can go that way. Get a non-distorting lens like this one. This one is not distorting. Let's mitigate the over-talking just right quick. We're going to respond to what MC Toon has here and then we'll let you do your screen share, Ross. I do want to get your response as well, so let's continue, MC. Okay.

The lens for this is documented. It's on my website. It's not a fisheye lens. The lens for this is documented on my website. It's not a fisheye lens. The lens for this one is documented. It's on my website. It's not a fisheye lens. This was a fisheye lens!

This is not... You don't get truth from this. You don't understand what I'm saying. You need to go watch Rocky IV, man. You know, the last scene with Ivan Drago. You need to watch that. Hit the one in the middle. That's the real one. And that's the flat one. All right. It's not much of a response. I have to be fair. What do you mean? That's the perfect response.

Because the lens can make it convex or concave that must mean the real shape is in the middle That's with a fisheye lens if you use one that is a fisheye lens you get a more accurate picture Okay, let Ross do this thing. Okay, listen as far as I know those those were from a video. Okay, so I

You don't accept video. Well, I'm just saying you guys are arguing over the pictures, so I just figured we show the actual video. Shout out Flatter of Dave. You know what I mean? I know Nicktoon is going to go on and on and on about his app, but that's not scientific evidence that the shape of the earth is what it is. And they're just threatened by his growth. He just hit 200K and then they attacked his app. He doesn't have 200,000 users, I can assure you of that. But he did.

I'm just saying, regardless of how many users Flat Earth David has, we are looking at a video of the actual earth right here. All right. No need to complain about fish eye lenses or anything like that. All right. This is it. All right. I have one more right here.

Another distorted lens. Awesome. This is a video. Another distorted lens. This lens is a GoPro that's distorted. Can you prove that assertion? Quickly, one point. Why is it more lit up under the sun and then it gets darker? Shouldn't it be an even Terminator?

You're talking about as far as how far it is away. And again, that video about the math is on here. If you guys want to argue with me about that, you can come see me on TikTok. I'll debate with you on there. You know what I mean? I'm not a mathematician, though. So again, I am going to be appealing to authority on that. I have to trust the mathematicians and what they say. So again. So Vincent, Ross, are you both on Dave's app?

I'm not. No. Vince? I used to have it, though. Okay. Well, then you're still on his app because he can't delete. He doesn't have a delete methodology because he gets orphaned data.

And he has no way of, the foreign keys don't line up. But yeah, if anybody's like, hey. You are smiling so hard talking about Father of Day right now. If anybody's like, I don't think his app is insecure. You just contact me, tell me your name on his app, and then give me permission, and I will pull up all the private messages from your account.

Yeah, but even Google, listen, even Google got breached. 1.8 billion users got breached. That's not a defense. No, it is a defense. Because if Google, hold on, if Google can't defend against that, you think Platter can't?

- Dave is just an ordinary dude, man. - Dave did not fix it. He chose to not fix it. - This is why I didn't want to bring the TikTok up. - Google chose to fix it. - I swear to God, that was my holy hesitation. I knew as soon as I bring it up and he sees, and he sees "Fighter of Dave," we're gonna let him do it to us. - Yeah, but Google got breached. 1.8 billion people got their accounts. - But none of this is evidence of what shit the earth is. - And then Google fixed it. - That's true. - Go ahead. - That's true. - And then Google fixed it. - I don't know if they fixed it.

Dave did not fix it. Flat Earth Dave's app is leaky today. More than 90 days ago, he was informed that it's leaky. He has done not fixing it. Google, whatever, whoever, I don't think that Google has that one, but I think you're thinking about Yahoo. Yeah, a trillion dollar company fixed it, but an ordinary dude had trouble. I think you're thinking about Yahoo, by the way, but it doesn't matter. No, it's Google. I know this. They fixed it.

They fixed it. You don't even know what it is. Dave chose not to fix it. And now he's lying and saying it's fixed when it's not fixed. Today I can go in. I can pull up anybody's messages in the app. I have nothing against Flatter Dave. I have nothing against Vince. I'm going to give McToon that one just to make it fair. Vince is already winning like 50 to 0 on the Flatter debate. So 50 to 2, McToon takes that one. All right.

I'm glad you're keeping track. Oh my goodness. All right. So, I'm just joking. I think we should jump into the Q&A and let the audience push us. One more thing, Ryan. One more. Okay. If it's something about Rocky. No, I'm not giving you one more thing. No, no, no. I just want to say two things. Did you update the link? He never shuts up, Ryan. He never shuts up. Did you update the link for our channel? It's in the chat in Zoom.

Yeah, do it now. And then I will just say one final thing. All right, Captain Motormouth. This is where me and Ross, you know, we think this is important. Why would they lie? That's what we should be talking about. Why would they lie? They're not lying. They are lying. Free energy and also doing the global climate scam to enslave us all electronically. Those are all hinged on the bullshit ball.

The bullshit ball, they need that so that they can convince us to be enslaved. I've said this before, but it's worth repeating. Okay? The bullshit ball. The bullshit ball. Why would they lie? 500 years ago, Vince, what was the reason to lie 500 years ago? Why would they lie? I can answer that if you'd like to go into that. Answer it.

I mean, so I've done a lot of streams on old world buildings and how the old world technology, if you examine it, is basically set up like...

power grid. And so if you go to the free energy thing, right, along the lines of when a lot of these old buildings were either active or began to be destroyed, you can see that that's right around the time that people start lying about the globe. Because you start getting people's mind off what's going on the Earth and on space. Because you focus on what's going on the Earth, it's very easy to set up technology to where we can basically begin to advance at a level that would be...

It makes slavery impossible. You said it's slavery when we don't have free energy. They have to do anything they can to convince us there is no free energy. They will go to extreme lengths, including lying about the shape of the earth, to get there. Once we know free energy exists, we're no longer slaves as humanity. So don't be a traitor to humanity, Mactoon and Paul. Don't be a traitor to your own human race.

Okay. Let's just try to end the Q&A. I swear. Can we have a toilet break? A toilet break, sure. That's a great idea because I can do a little bit of pitching for the comments up there. Let me just wrap up their stuff. Oh! Oh, ready? Let me just dilute the water. It's quick. Let me dilute the water. It's fair. I've got to mute you guys. You're just so rambunctious. All right. Go ahead there, MC.

That which is asserted without evidence is dismissed without evidence. All this free energy stuff, go make your free energy machine. Go use a washroom. It's cool, Paul. We'll see you in a minute if you're going to run. There's tons of free energy machines out there. Look up MIT. Look up Harvard. Look up Corona Motor.

No. Look up Corona Motor. That's not free energy. Corona Motor, free energy today. It's not. It's not free energy. Oh, it's 100% free. I've seen free energy machines. Then go build it. Go build it. Well, I'm not a machine. And then generate electricity on it. And turn your motor backwards on your house. And get paid to have that free energy. What about you guys? They're going to take me out, McToon. No. We always have been fought. No.

No. Wars have been fought, Mitu. We're talking about billions of dollars. Why would I do that? You're trying to set me up. All you need to do is go do it. He wants you off the planet just like Craig wants me off the planet. That's not true. You know, there's crazy regulations on even just magnets. There's crazy regulations on the transfer of magnets. And a lot of this technology is based on magnet technology.

I wonder why magnets are so expensive to travel. Corona motors are not based on magnets. Hold on. We're so out of the weeds. It's based on magnetism. Yes, it is. No more hold on. We're going to hit the Q&A. It's based on electrostatics. All right. Hold on. All right. There. All right. We're going to cap it. We did a whole debate on this. They're the same thing. No, I'm going to take what you're able to do to unmute yourself. You keep that up. We're going to take an official break. Ryan, you said hold on and you said no hold on. You said hold on. Your turn.

Alright, alright, hold on. Let me just... That's right, that's right, indeed. Allow participants to unmute themselves. There you go, how do you like that? How do you like those apples? Hands off, I see you over there Ross, it's too late.

I've got the power! That's right, you can't do anything about it anymore. Shushie. Alright, I'm gonna do the, uh, I'm gonna let everybody know, I'm just gonna remind everyone, and also let, you know, MC, Real Offended, and Vince know, now's a good time to step out if you want to grab yourself a drink, you know, use the washroom, whatever you need to do, now's a great time. We are gonna hit Q&A, we're gonna ask the audience questions, see what our audience has to say.

So let's get into that in just a short little while. But yes, tomorrow is going to be the debate con five. So if you have tickets for that and you're in the area already, it's going to be an amazing what eight debates are booked.

several, you know, different topics and different political ideologies clashing. It's gonna be a lot of fun. We've got new debates that we just booked. So I'm just gonna pop that up on screen. If I still have it there. No, that's the Indiegogo one. Ah, see now I'm getting all choppy. This one right here, yes. This is the recent one that was just booked. So if you're looking on screen right now,

That's why we have the featuring Andrew Wilson because he is definitely holding down the fort for a lot of debates here for the debate con. I think last time Leo Phileas was our MVP of the debate con. So yeah, we'll hopefully see. I'm not sure where Vincent went, but he'll be back. But yeah, let's just go over to this screen while we wait for Vince to come back. We also had the poll.

So we'll wait for MC and Vince now. So the poll is at the earth is 22% say flat. 54% say the earth is earth. Oh my goodness. I just realized I put that. It's so funny. The earth is earth. Alright.

I, I, yeah, alright. I messed that up. But I figured the 54% were the globe side based on the way that the chat was going. But Earth is Earth. I feel like the Incredibles meme right now, alright? Math is math! Alright, 13% it said it's a loaf of bread and then 11% said it's shaped like Vincent's hat. Or Vince's hat, sorry. So, let's see. I'm just going to pop into my email right quick.

and see what's going on with Vince. Maybe I put him on that mute, he couldn't come off, and he just raged out. He was infuriated. No, I doubt that. Here, let me just see. Are you... Here, I'm just going to take you off mute there, Ross. Are you able to get a hold of Vince and see what's going on? Yeah, yeah, I'll see what you do. Yeah. Farting around. Swear. All right, everybody decided to leave close to the time that you got back. What are you having over there, Paul?

So is Sagan. Oh, I was asking what you have there in your tall glass of whatever it might be. Oh, Jack Daniels. That's right. Yes, yes. Earth is Earth. Come on, that's funny. I was typing it out. Yeah, the Brad Earth. It's been a long couple days, I swear. Here comes MC Toon. We'll give it a solid few minutes here. Let's say two, three minutes. Hopefully we'll hear back. Oh, Ross has something on. All right.

Let's get on mute. Here, I'll give you permission. Yeah, he said... He said... He said... He said... He said...

He said he said he had to restart his computer though everything froze That European Wi-Fi man, I'm trying to tell you you got a move if you're gonna live in Europe Okay, you need to move to Britain. Okay, or one of the of the top-level Western countries so you can have good Wi-Fi or Pakistan

Which I know is not in Europe. I'm just saying somehow Pakistan has amazing internet. I don't know. I stream with people from Pakistan and their internet works way better than Vince's. So I just chalk it up to him being in Sweden. Oh, yeah. And I will say Daniel J asks, Ryan, will you be moderating at the debate con too? Actually, I think I mentioned last night on the stream that unfortunately I will not be making it for the debate con.

Just a couple well there was a couple things that were adding up and then there was a medical thing that happened the family and that just kind of that kind of set everything off so I don't need to justify myself I like I'm adjusting my straps right I can't believe Leo got MVP last time what is going on over there who voted that well

Yeah, I like Leo. I don't know if you're... Oh, yeah, no, Leo's a great guy. No, look, Leo's a fantastic guy, man. I love Leo, but, I mean, MVP at DebateCon, that's a bit much. Well, he did do three debates last DebateCon. Oh, that might be why he got MVP, because he definitely... Well, maybe he won the other two, because he lost... That debate against Whitsitt? A disaster. I was just saying that he debated against Destiny, and... Oh, he won that debate, yeah. He won that. That's an easy win, so, yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. Easy wins.

Are you excited for any of the debates tomorrow that are MC tuned? I don't know. I'll be driving. I don't know if I'll be even watching or listening to any

I was surprised to see that you guys have Lawrence Krauss on there. I mentioned Lawrence Krauss in almost all of my early debates. He's one of the first guys that actually, I used to follow him scientifically because I think he's a great orator. Even though he's not necessarily in the field of science, he's a great orator. So I'm very excited for that Lawrence Krauss debate. Can you guys hear me? We sure can. I got attacked. My computer got completely attacked.

Well, is that you, Mactoom? I wish I could take credit for it. I did see his eyes glow red for a second there when he stood up. And then you just dropped out. I think that's... Yeah, it completely... It froze. It gave me a count-up percentage. Count-up. Not countdown. I gotta drink my tab. Nice. What is tab? It's pop. Okay. That's what the kids call it these days? Alright. That's what the Minnesotans call it these days. Alright.

You got it. All right, let's hit that Q&A, guys. We're going to ask those questions. Megan Marie says, looking forward to DebateCon tomorrow. Have a great debate, MC Toon. So that was right at the beginning. Back to Toon. Get it right. I've been corrected on this. I'm not Scottish. And I'm not Irish.

You're not irish. That's racist. My Irish cousin, Seamus O'Toon is the Irish one. See, and the reason that I said McToon for so long of course is because I'm in Nova Scotia. I mean it's called New Scotland for a reason. It flies better on the tongue. McToon. MC Toon. Why would you say that? Call me Mike or Toon.

No, Mac Toon. That's good. Awesome guy or Flirt Pressure? Sensei. Okay, Sensei Mac Toon. Right? Well, I...

The martial art I did is Korean, not Japanese. Well, I'm saying you're sensei also in Globe Earth. Like, you got FTFE under you. You know, I told him when we made a stream that he is a little bit under you. You're like the sensei. So we tried to defeat you, Mactoon. You're like the final boss.

- Oh my, all right, so let's ask the next question. - But I got the cheat codes. Do you have the gi? I want to see you in the gi. - I do, we call it a Dope-ock. - Vince, the entire crowd is sick of your European babble. Will you shut up? We can get on with this.

Jesus Christ. All right. All right. Not shut up. Annoying as hell, Vince. Read the room. I'm shutting up. Damn it, Vince. All right. No, I'm kidding. There is no room. There is no room. Anyway, no, this is what they must have meant there, what Princess Leia meant when she said scruffy-looking, flurf-herder. That's what she said?

Was it? No. Is that what you were MC to? Very. I saw what you did there. Yeah, I know. I thought that's, the minute he said, I thought he said Flerv heard her. And I was just like, that sounds like something else. Anyways, Danny Turner, four Flervs witnessed the 24-hour sun. Please explain. I mean, I'll gladly, like I said in my opening, because I'm apparently psychic. In the past, all the way up to now,

There has never been a measurement of the curved Earth. They have never proven through scientific experiment on the Earth that it is curved and definitely not that it fits the radius value that they claim. Their only evidence is looking at the sky. All right? That's it. Like religious people. Hey, give me the answers. Tell us what's going on under my feet. Please. What's going on, MC? God, help us. Anyways, listen. If I can do an experiment...

If I can do an experiment that allows me to map the dimensions of my floor by looking at my disco lights, then that will show me that maybe I can look at the sun and have some resemblance of a formula that gives me information on the ground. All right. If my disco lights are moving in a weird pattern, that doesn't mean that my work, that the earth is shaped like the movement of the disco lights. Okay. It sounds crazy because it is respond. All right. Let's bounce it. Um, he didn't address the question.

Thank you for running from that. He said if there's a way to determine the shape of the floor from looking at disco lights, then he's in. You can. And number three, I did show measurements of the surface of the Earth without using things in the sky. He pretended they didn't exist. Thank you for losing. Pictures, not measurements, McToon. Pictures. You did not show any measurements. Yes, 10.1 arc seconds, more than 180 degrees. That was a picture. I just told you the words.

Oh my gosh. So you're just saying it now. It's pictures and words. That's all you want is... No, no, I want scientific experiment, my friend! Yes, that's what it was. My friend! 10.1 arc second. How would that scientific experiment be conveyed to you? You want me to do your homework for you now? No, I want you to describe to the audience what you would accept as a method. You want me... Shh! What will you accept...

You're just so funny, McToon! You gotta admit, you're too raucous. I'm getting to the end of dealing with that. He's gonna no longer be Mr. Nice Guy MC Toon, so let's try to keep it a little more tame there, guys. Let me finish. Let's go ahead. How would you accept the conveyance of the results of that scientific experiment? Alright.

I would accept you laying out the parameters of an experiment, showing me the results, and then allowing me or another competent party to be able to recreate that experiment so I can see for myself. It should be re-creatable. I did it. Go ahead. I did it. Go get yourself a theology. Well, you can say that, but you're not going to brainwash me into thinking that I saw something I didn't see. I gave you exactly what you asked for.

And you are refusing to accept when I gave you 100% exactly what you asked for. This is the dishonesty. I want everybody to really see this. Flat earthers are liars.

They are evil satanic liars. Ross is a liar. He is lying right now. He said he would accept something. He will not accept what he said he was accepting. Because he is a liar. He is 100% a lying scumball, piece of garbage, worthless, filthy trash monster. Oh, you're going ad hominis now. Ad hominis.

Insults. These are insults. I am insulting him. He is a useless piece of garbage in a religious cult. He is an evil person because he's asked specifically for evidence. He told me how he would accept that evidence. I gave him that evidence using the method he said he would accept.

But Craig, I mean, Matthew. He is proven to be a liar, and the religious flat earthers should look at that and then read their Bibles and see he's lying, he's speaking the language of the father of lies. I don't believe any of that religion. Can I respond, please? I don't believe any...

I don't believe in any of that religious stuff. So I know you're religious. So that's why you call on Satan and God and the Bible and all that. I'll leave that to you, McToon. Let me add to that. McToon, remember when they accused you to be satanic and you're like, oh, these are tards, people. Now you're doing the same on Ross.

He's a little triggered. It's okay. I just want to say... No, no, it doesn't matter if proof or not. You called him satanic as somebody called you satanic. Remember? Proof. You can't prove that I'm satanic. I proved it right here. Yeah, he called you satanic. And then he got mad when somebody called him satanic. I just want to clarify. Listen, the only way that it would be true that McToon proved that I'm satanic, if you're taking the original definition of the word, right, in the Greek, when it...

really relates to the actual division. Yes, I'm divisive. I don't go with the masses. So in that definition of the word satanic, sure. But I don't think that's what you had in mind. Let me respond to those insults, okay? I don't mind you insulting me, Nicktoon. - Let's be very quick. - All right, I don't mind you insulting me. - Well, he has to respond to insults, Ryan. Come on. - I don't mind you insulting me, Nicktoon. - We don't have to take the bait, no.

I welcome all insults. My name is Vince's channel. It's called Roast Reaction. That's all we do is roast and insult people all day, okay? But if we're having a scientific debate, all I ask is that you present scientific evidence before you insult me. If you don't do that, then all you're doing is insulting me. I mean, come on, McToon. Like, you know, come on. Yeah, you lost it, McToon. Just chill at the duty just one second. How you doing over there, Paul?

You're doing alright. Yeah, Ross, it doesn't look like you'll accept any evidence that's presented.

No matter what evidence is presented, you're not going to accept it. You won't accept pictures. You won't accept anything. Everything that's presented, it's not good enough for you. All right. Let's ask the next question. The Grumpy Old Mechanic says, St. Augustine said critters like Andrew are reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture who bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren. So Andrew's not here tonight, but yeah, we hear you. There was your moment.

We're going to carry on. Kango44 says, Vince draws a NURBS curve and zoom in. Draw a NURBS curve and zoom in. Okay, so I'll take you off the mute there. Yeah, it's not me. I'm being the POS now. Yeah, don't be biased, Ryan. Come on, man. We need to be able to speak. Hey, stall Ryan out, man. He's doing a good job. Relax, man. Ryan, I'm detecting bias.

Ryan? Oh, your big bias detector is going off. Yeah, it's going off, Ryan. It's going off. Your consistent bias detector. All right, answer the question there. Answer the question. Yeah, answer the question. Yeah, I'm just saying there is no curve as I proved. I'm zooming in. It's all made out of squares. It's all virtual reality pixelated stuff. It's all made out of straight lines. Even a circle is made out of straight lines from the middle to each end. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There is no curve.

Ultimately, your whole globe is falling off. This is a virtual reality plane. It's built on a plane and lines, binary pixels, all that shit. Anyway, continue, right? - New evidence. - All right. Let's carry on with the next question. Thank you to everybody who is putting in a super chat. And yeah, we're going to try to answer as many questions as we can.

As far as, you know, there might be things that our speakers aren't, you know, versed on as well as you are in the chat. But let's try to, you know, like I say, keep it friendly. Skylock says, man draws curved lines, zooms in until it looks flat, sees no irony. Now on to someone that doesn't believe in shapes. This is going to be fun. I think it has been fun. All these great lines.

If you are having fun in the live chat hanging out, obviously you like this sort of thing. Smash the like button. Help us out. We appreciate it. But let's see. LJ, Vince, you are the man, bro. Spiney, space ball with curved seawater. McLooney, what's the proof of Jupiter's mass, size, and gravity? Oh. So you can use the orbital...

periodicity of the moons of Jupiter and the distance from the moon to Jupiter to determine its mass. Its size is then determined by its angular size and the angular size formula. So what were the three? Is that the two things or was there a third formula?

Uh, yeah. Let me just get back to it. Just checking the live chat there. Making sure everybody's behaving themselves. Mass, size, and gravity of Jupiter. Yeah, yes. Well, gravity, the fact that the satellites are orbiting is... But Mitchie Koppel just said gravity's alive. One second, please. Ha ha ha!

right all right guys we'll let you respond um so yeah that that's that's how you can do it and and the math for that is more than i can do in the the answer of this but if if that person would actually like to uh to go over that i'd be happy to do a uh just send me a message and even if you don't want to come on i'll be happy to address it in a live stream in the future

Thank you, Ryan. I'll let you guys have a chance to respond to that question, but it was for MC Toon, so let's try to keep it quick. Yeah, we can keep it moving. Yeah. All right, fair enough. Thesis Kyle says, on behalf of black people worldwide, we would like to propose a trade. You guys get him. We get Eminem. Who is that? Fuck Eminem. Eminem sucks. No, Vince. No, Vince. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. Who is that?

This is Kyle is their name. Kyle? Take it a second, you guys. Oh, no. The things I say, you guys make me say. I just don't know if I'm ever going to recover. Oh, man. How will I ever financially recover from this? Anyways. Whoever that was, I guarantee...

All right, I guarantee you will never come on my YouTube on my TikTok ever and have a conversation with me face to face as a black guest ever. As a matter of fact,

The reason why Vince invited me to do this debate today, because me and Vince got in a huge debate about black people in America and rap music, and I absolutely decimated Vince. Destroyed him. Embarrassed him on every level. And now they want to trade you for Eminem. Think about that. Think about your people, Ross. Think about your people. They want to trade you for Eminem. That's not my people. I get it. He is acting like it is. He's acting like it is.

There's nothing here. Hold on, Ross. Isn't he acting like he is? He's saying these black people are ashamed of Ross and he wants to trade him to Eminem. Alright, we gotta move on. I'm just saying. Black people, that is. Ross is way better than Eminem. I know you're not. Whoever that is, I know you're not from America. If you want to have that conversation on another platform, listen, listen.

Please. You complete me. Okay? Please. I dare you. Go ahead. What are we saying right now? Real quick. What you're seeing on the screen here is two trailer park boys that go around the outside. That is racist.

That is racist, McToon. I will not accept that. He's smiling. I like that, though. He can say whatever he wants. He can say whatever he wants as long as he smiles. I was going to say, I'm from Nova Scotia where the trailer park boys are. I don't know. Those are some pasty fellas. I'm not going to lie. You can run into them every once in a while up in Halifax.

Yeah, those are some pasty bubs. Anyways, uh, OJ... Shout out to Taylor Park Boys! OJ says, "How can ships go 17,500 miles per hour safely with people inside?" How can ships go? Obviously, they're asking about the ISS. That's a question for Paul. Oh, okay, okay, sorry, go ahead. How can the ISS go that speed? Because you don't feel speed, just the acceleration or deacceleration speed you don't feel.

Same as when you're on an aeroplane or on a train, you don't feel the speed. You only feel it when it's low. How come you don't feel the speed of when the Earth, you know, goes around the Sun a little bit overly? Because it's constant. No, it's not constant. Well, that's what he's asking. He's asking about the change of velocity. Yeah, it's going faster. Yeah, it's going faster at some point. Get in a car and do 360 degrees in a year

And that's the equivalent of what the Earth's doing as it goes around the Sun. You're not going to... No, but what I mean is, you know, it's like oval. You know, its trajectory is a little bit oval. It changes over time. It changes over a long... No, Paul, it's different than that. It's in orbit. And so the forces are... No, he was asking about the Earth going around the Sun. Why don't we feel that is what he's saying? The elliptical orbit. Yes. Yeah, because at some point it has to slow down or speed up. Why don't we feel that?

Because it does it over quite a long period of time. Of course, fantastical excuses as usual. It's not an excuse, it's an answer. It is. It's an application of the laws of science. No, we should feel when it's slowing down or speeding up. We should feel that. According to you guys, it's also over a year.

Okay, Ross. Just to clarify, so you're saying that you're not denying that there is a change of velocity and normally we would feel it, but because a change of velocity happens at such a slow rate, we don't feel it. It's not even enough to feel. Okay, and I do accept that answer, but I

I'm just going to say that, to me, that still leaves it a little ambiguous. Here's what you do. You would have to show through experiment that we can go that fast and that that change would not be felt. You can't do that. You can't do that. Here's the thing. If you were actually curious about feeling that amount of change of velocity, what you do is you would take the maximum velocity and the minimum velocity, and then you would take a six months. You would apply that over six months. You could do it linearly. It's not linear.

And then and then you could say, well, how much is the change in velocity over those six months? You could get the acceleration from that by applying kinematic equations. This is high school physics. Yeah. And then you could say, well, what is the actual acceleration? And does the human body have the capability of identifying that amount of of acceleration? That would give you the answer to the question if you cared.

Well, I do care, and I have not seen that shown yet. Do experiment. It's on you. So now you go look at it. It's on me. Go ahead. Since it's on me, since it's on me, since it's on me, I maintain that

Nobody has done that experiment yet. We have endless technology, but they haven't done that simple experiment. Where is that experiment? You don't accept experiments. You don't accept any of the answers. You're being dishonest, McToon. Where is the experiment, regardless of what we accept? I've given you scientific experiments and you reject them. I want to see something move that fast. I want to see a, you know...

That's not even do it. I don't reject scientific experiment. I did earlier. Yeah, you did earlier I know I dismissed your claims because they didn't have a scientific experiment these No, the 10.1 arc seconds Experiment that you you reject was an experiment as a picture you showed me of some very nice manicured hands and a pad that was an experiment and

They were the alleged results of an experiment. That's what that was. The alleged... Exactly. You reject all evidence. Wait one second there. Hold on. I'm going to go around. All right. I'm going to ask you out in the music there, guys. We're going to ask the next question. Icy Spin, Ross and Vince, why didn't you bring any evidence?

We brought more evidence than they did. Literally endless evidence. Literally endless evidence. What evidence? Name the evidence. Name the evidence. No, you don't need to name them. It's on video. I took notes. Name the evidence. It's on video. Mary's failure. That was what I specifically brought up. That doesn't even address the shape of the earth. I read it. It doesn't support your claim. You never addressed the whole thing.

My bad. It proves the Earth is not moving. Your entire evidence is predicated on the Earth moving. Look, the Sun does this because the Earth moves. Aries failure proves. His evidence contradicts his claim. Scientific experiment proves the Earth is not moving. No, it doesn't. Aries failure concludes that Klinkerfuse's hypothesis is not tenable.

And that is related to the movement of light, which I described at the beginning. It did not say anything about the ether. You're not smart enough to understand the topic, Ross. That is offensive, McToon. Yes, it is offensive to you. And you look like a male version of Hillary Clinton. Cool. You still don't understand the experiment well enough. Well, not when he smiles. He looks way better when he smiles.

He stops looking like that. Vince, Vince, there's no chance for you, Vince. It's not happening. I want you, Mac Toon. I'm going to ditch my wife for you. Mac Toon, how many times do you call the police a day? Oh, my God. I don't know why you sit outside your window. Just the face that you have, you got the type of face that looks like you just wait for kids to drive by on a bike and just call the police. No, he's pretending. I'm sorry, we got another one. He's saying you're a male Karen, like you get annoyed at everybody. You know?

You get annoyed and you call the police. But, but, but, back to him. I'll see you later. I can't believe it. Back to him. Yeah, no, I was going to say, hold on, guys. Hold on, hold on. I'm not going to just let you run roughshod. It's never going to end. Yeah, we can't just run roughshod. But I was going to say, you know, are you one of those people on Cheatune? Get off my lawn. No, I'm just picking. All right. Jack Fetter says, you have to mute that idiotic giggling dude. Jeez. I, well.

I think he's talking about you there, Motormouth Vince. We know who he's talking about. I am muted. He is muted right now. But let me just say, Mactum. See, look, I got that power. I can mute him again. Oh, I'm so bad. No, that's good. He's biased. I'm disappointed in you, Ryan. I'm trying to trigger you at this point. It's too easy. Okay, okay. I'm triggered as hell now. But Mactum. You're making it too easy for me.

Mactoon, what about my guy, the Polish guy who went to space and then in 2019 he said it's flat in Polish. I showed you. I'll be happy to answer that. So I've watched the entire interview there.

And that was a sarcastic question. If you read the whole thing and you actually speak to somebody who speaks Polish and have them describe to you that conversation, it was a sarcastic question. He looked very serious in the video. Like I said, ask somebody who knows Polish.

Ask somebody that knows Polish to give you an overview of that conversation. That's going to take too much time. All right, let's ask the next question. LJ says, we're in 2025 and we still cannot book an online ticket to watch a rocket land back down on Earth live in person. Why not? No outer space exists. Maybe. Maybe.

I personally watched a rocket return from space two years ago in Florida. Yeah, but we don't know if we can trust you, Mac Toon. So as far as I know, you're with the system. Go there and watch it yourself. You're with the system as far as I know. I still like you when you smile. Yeah, you can book yourself a flight there, go to Cape Canaveral and watch him land. Smile, and then I like you. Oh my God. He's unbearable. He's literally unbearable. Literally unbearable.

Well, I'm going to take the word of that guy. He said it's flat. And then he died. Just go. Then he died. He died. He didn't say it's flat. He said he was an astronaut orbiting the Earth. He said it two times. He said it. You want me to pull it up again? He said two times it's flat. He said two times.

Jerry Picking is lying. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. I'm just going to place you on mute as well. We've got to move on. We'll ask the next question. We're not getting too much out of this, honestly. No outer space exists. It's a little bit off the wall there. I only believe in science.

Let's carry on. Paul's going to chime in just to plea like, oh, please no. Come on, let's not give Paul a hard time. I'm just thinking that the Earth's going to rotate around shortly and the sun's going to reappear. Yeah, good fantasy, man. You got good fantasy, Paul. Kango44 says the problem with platforming a clinical I don't like saying that word like Vince and Ross is they are too spastic to even have an adult conversation.

Well, I agree 100%. Anybody that watches our stream knows that most of our stream is me giving the greatest music reactions that you've ever heard, breaking down the music like a masterful composer, and then Vince ruining it.

Vince ruining it with his terrible music takes. And then forcing me to argue for hours about music nonsense just like he does with McToon. He likes rap. He doesn't know shit about music. I'm the only one that can make Vince be quiet. Rap is the lowest form of music. It takes a lot of energy out of me. I'm with McToon with the music part. He likes good metal stuff. Not that I don't want to talk about music. I love music, but we're going to move on.

Vassell Problem says, "MDD, truly embarrassing that you host these pro misinformation events. You are net negative. You should feel proud."

Well, I mean... That's a comment on McToon. That's a comment on McToon because we only believe in science. To be honest with you, I mean, there's a lot of people like, you know, MC Toon and Craig that come to me and say, hey, I'd like to debate this person. Like, you know, I wouldn't just say this is on MDD. We're all in this together. But I think this is a pretty good neutral space to have the conversation. We do what we can. I try to... Oh, well, if you put yourself on mute, Vince, then I might mess up. You put me on mute. Yeah, I did. I did. All right. All right.

Yeah, mute him again. Exactly. Mute him again. I'll mute you too. Just one second. But yeah, no, I think you do need to hear both sides. It's important. Even though these guys are having just a ball right now, if you can cut through some of that, maybe you'll find some –

Good information there. I'm not sure, but we'll leave that up to the odds to decide. I see Spin says, to test the globe, you assume it's a globe. Agree? All right, I'm going to stop being so bad, Vince. I'm going to stop picking on you. I'm sorry. Very disappointed, Ryan. But continue. I am mad. Life goes on. I'm mad with me. I'm sorry. Yeah, life goes on. You should be very ashamed of me. All right, so to test globe, you assume it's a globe. Agree? And then try and falsify it, yes.

Okay. Let's ask the next one. Uh, if we can, that's been done. That's what I say. That, yeah, that's been done. We, we've done that. Dark star 4,400 says for Ross, when was the last time you performed a peer reviewed experiment?

Hey, I've never personally performed a peer-reviewed experiment. That's why I say that I defer to the scientists, okay? I don't believe in a religion. I just call the scientists in the experiment. So, Ross, what do the scientists say about the shape of the Earth? Well, based on the experiments that have been done, it's inconclusive. That's why they have to rely on the stars. What do the scientists say?

The relevant experiments are the ones that I showed, like Aries failure. It's not moving, number one. And then if we're examining the actual shape, it's topographical. So it's mountainous. I live in a valley. So where I'm at, it's like this. You know what I mean? So there's not one shape. That's why I maintain the beginning. I don't say flat or we don't know what shape the Earth is. It's a plane, right, with multiple different shapes going on, depending on where you are. Yes. On the globe.

That was for us. Come on, man. Santa Claus stuff. Listen, what about Michi Kako? Michi Kako. You keep bringing up Michi Kako. Yeah, he said gravity is a lie. They lied to the students. What about that? He's a scientist. He's one of the top ones, right? MC Toon has left the building. He's just taking a leak or something. He probably is. It's fine.

All right. Well, hi to MC Toons audience. We're going to carry on. Come on over, you know, participate in the poll. I know you guys are hanging out. Captain Blade says, I'm going to need a math test done. I don't think people that can't figure out shapes on paper should debate real life shapes. There is no shapes. It's all straight lines. Talking to you guys, Paul. Paul McToon. You guys don't know shapes. You think it's a goal, but there's no... Exactly. Reality showing plane.

You guys are the nuts people. You are nuts. We are sane. We might look insane, but we are the sane ones. You're the insane ones looking sane. I apologize in advance for Vince's conduct. I mean, look at Paul. He looks way more sane than us, right? We look insane. But we are the sane ones and he is the insane one looking sane.

You know, he looks sane, but he's actually insane. Hold on, Paul. Paul, you look sane, but you're claiming insanity. We're not seeing any curve or nothing. That's insanity in my world. That's like saying a man is a woman and a woman is a man. You're just trying to get us all into a whole different vein here. Okay, Kengo44 says...

How can you dispute it? Platforming a mentally ill like Vincent Ross for normal people to laugh at is morally questionable. They need to be medicated and not a YouTube appearance.

Tyranny. How about this? If you can come and prove me wrong, prove that you're more lucid, well thought out, and well researched than me, and I will admit everything you're saying is true. Prove that I'm not lucid. Prove that I'm not lucid. Prove that my brain is not ticking properly. Prove that I don't know what I'm talking about, and I will gladly learn from you. JSS Tiger says, nobody cares if a flat earther can't find the evidence. They don't possess evidence or look hard enough for it.

Well, I'm glad you don't care, all right? But, again, as an unbiased party, all right, I look at all the evidence. I see, are there experiments that back up a certain ideology? If there aren't, then we cannot consider it a scientific theory. We must keep science pure from the religion.

Science must be pure. That's why the experiments must be repeatable because I can say I did anything on paper I can say I ran an experiment I could even show a video of me doing it, but if I don't allow you to repeat it It's not a scientific theory yet. Well, then I learned that from I learned this from big tune. So sensei

What I'd advise you to do is learn basic navigation. It won't take you long to learn basic navigation using longitude and latitude, and then try and work out how that works on a flat Earth in the southern hemisphere. It doesn't work. And then have a look and see how it works on the globe, and it'll work. I respectfully disagree because, like I said, it's just triangulation at an area point. So do it.

Learn basic navigation. I can triangulate area points without knowing the shape of the entire area. This is true. That's not complicated. I can do that. If you learn basic navigation, you'll learn that it's based on a globe. For years and years and years, the navigation is based upon the stars. And the globe is based on the stars. It's all based on the stars. And for years and years and years, people were getting lost until they learned how to use accurate time.

Why is the GPS always showing flat stuff? Even if I zoom out, zoom out, zoom out, the whole country is flat. It's all based on flat stuff. The GPS. Anyways, never mind. No, no, that's what I see on my app. I zoom out, it's all flat. Flat, flat, flat. Zoom in, flat, flat, flat, flat. It's all based on flat stuff. Flat, flat, flat. Flat. Depends what GPS you've got. Some do, some don't. Ah, come on, man. You know what I'm talking about. And it's all based on the stars, alright? I don't want that to be lost.

These models were built on triangulating positions to the stars. Yeah. Nothing related to the shape of the Earth. Right. So you have to always look up. We got to ask the next question there, guys. ThirdDuraSister says, Florips, there's been lots of direct Earth curve measurements using the ground alone. The Rainy Lake Experiment, for instance. Educate yourself. You should send them to McToon so he can present them and explain them properly in the next debate he has.

Aorturus says, Ryan, can you move the screens around and put Ross in the top left? No. I get it. No. It's a joke. All right. Hey, hey, hey. Fair. That's fair. That's fair. We'll accept that. I'm not going to move anything around. BasilProblems says, MDD is a pseudo-intellectual shill platform. Who needs a debate on flat Earth? I mean, listen. I personally...

Don't understand why people are still debating this. Again, nobody is attempting to measure the shape of the Earth anymore. They've gotten so desperate that they're like, hey, look at the sky. Let's try desperately to find anything that's not the shape of the Earth to prove the shape of the Earth.

I don't get why we would debate either. We've taken measurements of the Earth. We know. We know. We've taken measurements of the Earth. We know. Let's let MC2 jump in. What measurements? I gave him measurements and he rejected them. He doesn't want them. He's not honest. You reject a lot of stuff too, so it's equal.

All right. Asking the next question, thank you so much to our panel for answering the questions and hanging out and entertaining the audience. And, yeah, it's great to see all the engagement from you guys, the live chats rolling right along. I'll throw up a new poll in a second there to get a new gauge for that. Actually, yes. I think most people know that the Earth is Earth. Most people know the Earth is Earth. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, fine.

I was muted when you first said it. Hold on, let me just say one thing. Last time, FTFV provingly manipulated the poll because he sent his minions to make him win the poll over me. So I'm asking, Mactoon, did you do the same thing? Did you send your minions to upvote Globe Earth? No, move on. All is fair in...

I'm just saying, your little student is a fishy guy. I know. See, I specifically didn't mute you, Vince. I muted Ross that time. All right. R.L. Daw Jr. Shushy. All right. This is the best the Flurf community has to offer? Question mark? Woohoo.

Yes. They're all pretty much the same, yeah. Well, we're not the best. I mean, obviously the best looking. Most entertaining. Most entertaining. Obviously the best looking and probably the most aggressive, okay? We just don't get bullied. And entertaining. Don't forget entertaining.

We just don't get bullied. That's why McToon is a little upset right now. Yeah. A little in his feelings. Because he expected the bully and bum rush like he usually does. And he can't do it on us. We have the shield. We have the armor of God without being religious. All right. You guys projecting all your insecurities. We got the armor of God, man. Let's carry on. Jack Fetter says, Ross. Give me a fucking high five. Okay. That was cringe. All right.

I am picking on you guys a little bit there. I'm just trying to move it along, but I know you guys are good. You're all good, Ryan. Jack Fetter says, Ross, you are embarrassingly ignorant. I mean, if you would like to prove that, my channel is open at any time. You proved it tonight. Real offended. Real offended on YouTube. All right? If you want to talk music, we're at roastreactions on TikTok, as well you'll see all of my flat earth content. I'm undefeated. I'm undefeated. You know what I mean? Come on. Take a victory lap after they lose.

Basil, problem says... We haven't lost, Mac Toon. I think we won. All right, all right. I think we won. Let's ask the next question there, guys. MDD, this is from Basil. Problem says, MDD, this is a total joke. These flirts are trolls and you're providing... Hey, they're just scared. And you're providing a platform for them. Great job. They're just scared, Ryan. They're scared. They're trying to push you to ban people like us because they're scared. Are you scared, Basil? I mean...

Maybe that's your problem. Scared little wussies. All right. Artful Zod, Junior. They're not going to come deal with us directly themselves. We do appreciate the live chatters and the super chats, but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of criticism coming from Basil over there. Somebody who said that earlier we were shilling. They're putting a lot of money into that.

I don't know why you would do that. But thank you. Artful Dodd Jr. says, yeah, we read that one. Sorry. Clarence AS2 says, Vince, you are not Neo. You are Cypher. You know what the world is, but you prefer to live in a fantasy world. Hey, hey, hey, don't tell me what I believe or not. Who are you to say what I believe or not?

I am Neo and so is Ross. He said you are Cypher. Cypher is the one that goes back to, you know. Yeah, I'm not Cypher. I know it's a plane. I know this is a virtual reality. Okay? Slylock says, I feel bad for you, Paul. I really do. He comes in here with the most concrete evidence and experiments possible due to navigation existing.

Is that Paul's friend or something? Relative or something? No, I think that he's being sarcastic, actually. I think he's being backhanded here. So he comes in here with the most concrete evidence and experiments possible due to... Oh, no, he's not being backhanded. No, no, no, no, no. Ryan was correctly reading it. Stop talking, Ross. That's not evidence. Ryan's like, you couldn't have been talking about that. It's to Paul, Ross. Just one second. It is for Paul. So...

Yeah, did you want to say anything to Slylock? You know, they're saying that you've given the most concrete evidence due to your explanation of navigation there.

Yes, what I gave forward, it only works on a globe. The only shape of the Earth is a globe. All navigational charts don't work. It's as simple as that. And anybody, if you just want to learn basic navigation, loading longitude and latitude, within a couple of weeks, you will realize the only shape of the Earth possibly can be is a globe. Paul, quickly, can't they just, you know, backwards engineer it to fit the globe? No. Why not?

Show how it was done then. I don't know. I'm just saying I'm like Detective Columbo. Can they do this? I don't know if it's an answer. If they can, that means there's a possibility that your whole model is fake. What do you mean they can't? They just take whatever they see in reality and then they base a model based on that.

Vince, are you going to let me answer? The reason that is is because the navigational charts fit with the globe as in an actual globe and it also fits with reality. It would have to fail on one or the other so it wouldn't fit with a globe model. They just model a globe. Let's let Paul finish.

That was it. I was finished. Oh, you were finished. Oh, sorry. You were right on it. You were too, you know, gone. What is it called? You pulled the trigger too fast, Ryan. You're still biased. We need to fix you. We need to fix you, man. We need to fix you. I'm just saying, I don't believe it. I think they can just model real reality like they can model a globe after

the real reality so that it makes sense for the model that they're gonna then do it for flutters so i don't know the flutter i'm just saying i'm calling

Hold on Paul. I'm just saying I believe they can do that. Okay, they can model real religion No, you are living a religion. You are the culted. No, you are. No, you are. The next one's coming in for us guys. Hold on. Do you think we gain anything by being on the plain earth? We get ostracized by society and cultists like you people. I think you like the attention. All right.

Alright, this next one, I don't want to be it, I want to be it. It's for Ross now. We've got to move on to the next question. So, I am sorry. Like I said, that last one was for Paul. I want to give him the last word. This one coming in for Ross. Kinko44 says, Ross, you only trust the sciences. You are clearly an academic or a professional that uses science in your day job. What kind of science do you do in your day to day?

uh i i don't that's that's they're being snubbed um i know they're logic right there i don't know you clearly i don't i'm not gonna respond to guessing about my life but i will say it is accurate that i especially when it comes to science debates matters that we should be proving scientifically i only believe in science that's why they hate me so much you

Because I'm not a religious guy. I denounced Christianity and all that fake stuff when I was in college. I started following Lawrence Krauss, and now I only look at things that are backed up by experiment. And I listen to him when he says stuff like, we don't quite know, or the CMB looks like the Earth is in the center. I do a

appeal to authority. You know what I mean? But of course I cross-reference stuff and I'm not just gonna take it on their words just 'cause they say it. If they say something, I take it and I examine it. Then I come up with my own opinion as you should. - All right, let's ask the next question.

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Alejandro Valero says, Ross, you are the religious one, not the scientific one. You're just not smart enough to realize it. Name one scientist that agrees with you that the Earth is flat. You have a flat Earth religion. So can you name a scientist, they're asking, that agrees with you that the Earth is flat? Well, again, like I said, in this debate, I've been completely unbiased the entire time.

Okay. I have been listening to Vince's arguments. I've been listening to McToon and Paul's arguments. I mean, Vince has been more convincing. I don't know. He's, he's shown more evidence, the evidence that he's shown that's on to reality better, you know? So if you want to know about a scientist that believes the earth is flat, I don't know. Go talk to the flat earthers. All right. I don't accept the, I don't believe anything. I just look at the experiment and I come up with my own opinion. All

When it comes to my opinions, I don't appeal to authority for that. But if we're going to talk about something specific, the outcome of an experiment, then I appeal to authority. So if you want to know about a specific experiment, then sure. But overall, I don't know what these scientists believe. They shouldn't believe anything.

I'm just saying also to talk about science, during these last five years, they've lost a lot of credibility. They say men is a woman. And then they say a sniffles is going to end you. You know, sniffles 19. You are a racist bigot.

Well, it's not my fault. I was born this way. All right. Philip Beretta says... I was born this way. I was born this way. All right. Come on. Help me out. Never heard of under-regulating theory of light-quick. Google... Undulating. Oh, sorry. Undulating. Thank you. Theory of light-quick. Google search brought GHT back.

The theory describes light. Oh, I'm going to struggle with this one too. Ascendulations and an ethereal medium. If you are, if you, you are, see, there's some typos too. If you are educated on this, how do you know it's about an ether? Okay. I think I've done the best. I can't with that. I don't know if he's talking to Nick Toon or if he's, I don't know what that is. I can answer that.

So he did a quick Google search to see what undulating theory of light was about. And very quickly, one search showed that undulating theory of light is about ether. That's what they're talking about. But Ross didn't know that. He doesn't know the top. No, he was talking about the movement of light. Did you send one of your minions to ask that question so that you can look good? I don't need to. You guys make flat earthers look bad. Is that what you did when you went off? I'm not a flat earther.

Did you like it? Hey, listen, Minion. Of course you are.

Go on, Modern Day Debate. Ask me that question. I'm going to give a nice answer so I look good. Did you do that? I mean, but again, just like the Miggelstein and Morley thing, it does not specify that it's talking about the ether. It's talking about the movement of light. The reason why it says through ether there is because it is a stone-cold fact that ether exists. It used to be on the periodic table. And so they started lying about the globe. That's right. Ether was on the periodic table. It is a stone-cold fact.

That's why they use the word ether, but it's not about the ether. Okay, so if I say hey, I'm testing the motion I'm testing how fast this guy can swim through water Okay, the testing is not about the water. It's about the motion of the guy swimming. Yes The water is a variable. All right, but I'm not disproving the existence of water. That's craziness That's what he's basically saying. They're just proving the existence of water because it says the word water No, they're talking about the actual movement. Oh

You're not confusing me just because you say, I say so. I'm short and I say so. I'm short and I say so. He might be 6'7". I don't know how tall he is. You've obviously reached the end of that sentiment. So the Earth is supposed to say a globe, but that was a 55%. Flat is a 20%. A loaf of bread is 13%. And then it's shaped like Vince's hat. That was 10%.

Nice. Nice shape. A thousand votes on that one. Remember smash the like button guys. We appreciate it. Help boost us up. Uh,

The new poll is up. Who is the most compelling on the panel tonight? So far, we have 60% for MC Toon. That's his minions. He's sending in all his minions. Oh, my. What's fair ball? It's all fair ball in war. No, I don't know. Like I said, I don't think that's necessary. It's not fair to cheat, Ryan. Say it correctly. He's cheating probably. Send your Rumble crew. What are you crying about? I don't have any crew, man. This is it. He just got rid of all of them. Yeah, I hope you don't win popularity contests. Yeah, that was the greatest thing I ever did. All right.

All right, so right now we got 19% for Ross in second place, and then 11% for Paul, and then 8% for Vince. So keep your votes coming in. Yeah, I'm last.

He's taking it with great stride. Why are you laughing, Ryan? You like that I'm laughing, right? You're biased against me, Ryan. You're taking it with such great stride tonight. I know, I know. Thank you. I appreciate it. That's great. All right, thank you. Meriden says, if the earth is flat, how is it that the sun can light up the underside of clouds around sunset slash rise, even though for someone from whom it is noon could confirm the sun is much higher than such clouds?

That was kind of a confusing question. I'm not going to lie. I didn't quite follow that all the way. Yeah, I would say... When there's a sunset, how does the sun light the underside of a cloud is what the question is on a flat Earth? No, I'm just being extra bad. Sorry. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like I said, especially when we're talking about things in the distance, Euclidean geometry is a factor, so things are always at an apparent location. If the sun is higher than the clouds...

At sunset, how does the sun light the underside of the clouds? Yeah, again, I don't quite know how perspective works at long distances. Explain it, how it works on a globe earth. Oh, you can tell us your assertion. Absolutely. I would love to hear what your opinion is on this subject. As long as we can do it quickly, though. How it works on a globe earth is you've got your clouds up here, and if the sun's over here, and as it turns round, right,

the underside of the cloud is getting uh lit up by the sun right do you get that i do get it yeah the geometry works there yeah yeah no i mean well i i mean i

The only problem is we don't feel any movement. Well, I mean, it's a theory. It's a model. It's not like scientific experiment. That's the geometry. That's the scientific application of geometry. Yeah, but it's not conclusive scientific evidence. Where is the conclusive scientific evidence using flutters to show the bottom of the cloud? Sorry. Okay.

too interrupty you were asking why don't we feel movement do you not understand yet no he's too dumb feel movement we feel acceleration or d acceleration or deviation from a path you do not feel constant speed

Yeah, but we're spinning and then we're spinning around the sun and then the sun is spinning around it already. It went over your head. You're too stupid to get that. I cannot believe that Hillary Clinton had a baby with ratatouille just so he can come up here and call us dumb. That's ridiculous. I can't fathom that. All that scientific research...

Just a clone ratatouille, Hillary Clinton? - Mactoon, Mactoon, hold on. To be fair though, you called him like 20 words. Mactoon, you called him 20 words, including satanic, and he just throws some little... - All right. - I do have to ask a question, guys. - I'm moving on, Ryan.

If you're not moving on, I'm moving on. Because this is just getting too dumb. These idiots here are too stupid. They're just absolutely mindless morons. And I get that it's making flat earthers look like absolute idiots. And I love that. But it's just too tedious. Like, we've already made flat earthers look stupid by letting them do what they do. And so...

Oh, can we just, like, put it into high gear so that we can not have them just press how stupid they are over and over and over again? And it's four o'clock in the morning for me. Yeah. It's too stupid. It's too stupid. You got that all off your chest now? I will ask the next question. All right. Yeah, because we do have a few more to go. And honestly, I wouldn't mind catching an early night myself because I was doing a five-hour there last night and we're, like, two hours late starting. So I'm not going to lie. That's kind of where I'm leaning as well. But...

Not because you said it. See, that makes me want to rebel. It's just my natural nature. All right. Let's see. If aerospace was real, why were we to MCT?

What? Why is... Why do you spend money and then not check your Super Chat? This doesn't make sense. Meriden says, "Why does the Sun have constant angular speed? If it was flying over the flat Earth, then like airplane, it would have a lower angular speed than further away, and a higher angular speed when overhead."

Yeah, I showed that animation of that in my presentation, that the speed of the sun must over Flat Earth vary throughout the day, but it doesn't in reality. That's the next one. Mike19862 says...

Here, we're going to take the other guys off mute because there are ones coming up for you as well. MC1986Dude says, Turt Island rocks. MC Toon, can you forego Matthew Hakem and do more podcasts? I enjoy the content. Thank you. Forego Hakem? I mean, he made some pretty sick accusations, so I would always forego him.

Oh, they love you today, Ryan. SHILL?! He's basically muting me! How is he a shill? He's on your side, motherfu-

- If I was him, I would mute you too. You don't shut up. - All right, I'll mute myself. - All right, here's what I will say is that, when I was younger, worked in fast food, I'd tell people to have a nice day. And then I got older, I worked in banking and I would tell people to have a nice day. But sometimes in that have a nice day was a little go fuck yourself. Have a nice day, Basil.

Anyway, let's carry on. Urinating Broom says, Flat Earthers' biggest contribution to humanity is that they make normal people feel more intelligent and sane. Let's take a moment to appreciate them. I'm glad I can make you feel, all right? I'm glad I can control your emotions. I'm in full control of you right now.

Oh, no. He's in your head, guys. He said about the psychic thing earlier. Yeah, we gotta keep going. Alejandro Valera says, Flatties, when you are standing, you move with the Earth, same speed. When you walk east, you are moving in space faster than the Earth rotates. And when you walk west, you move slower. Get educated. Allegedly, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Dismissed!

The evidence has been provided. Okay, hold on. Can I just say one thing to that guy or girl? That statement did not have evidence to it. Dismissed. I dismissed that statement. Let's let Vincent here to answer this one too and then we'll move on. Yeah, there was somebody saying you're not for free speech because you're not banning our speech. How does that make sense? Well, I never claimed to be anything. That's the funniest thing. No, but they're saying you should ban our speech so that you are poor. Ryan is saying he would ban you if he could. Shut up.

Shut up. But didn't he say that? Didn't he say that? No, they said you are not a free speech hero. And I'm saying it's kind of strange. I never claimed to be anything. Okay, okay. StringfellaHawk says, Ross. I'm a jukebox hero. I was going to say, I do a mean version of that song.

I bet you do. Yeah, I know he can. You guys are delusional.

I mean, I, you know, I was only a physics major for like one semester when I went to school. But yes, I've done a science experiment before, you know, I've taken science classes. But I mean, you saying that is not evidence of the shape of the earth, though. You saying this person has this or any sentence that you say does not refute the scientific experiments that I've shown today. All right. I've shown experiments. The only experiments that were actually shown and brought up today were mine.

I showed my personal experiments that I personally did. I didn't see it as an experiment. It's your fault. It's not my fault that you didn't watch my presentation. Which experiment was that that you brought up? Which experiment? What the sun does in Antarctica is one of them. Well, that was an observation you made, not an experiment. No, it's an experiment. Of the sky. An observation of the sky, Vince. It was an experiment. I had a falsifiable hypothesis that was tested. It was an experiment.

Sky worshippers. Vince, basically what he's telling you, Vince, is that you should believe what he's saying about the ground because he made an observation about the sky. Yeah, I did an experiment. That's what he's telling me. Sky worshippers. One second. All right.

This is crazy, man. He's insane. He's insane. I was going to say, this name is insane. JokingJinglingJongler says, how do satellites orbit in the flat Earth model? Like, how do the stars influence the motion of the craft? You might have to hold down the fort there, Paul.

We talked about that a little bit. Like I said, I'm not a mathematician. I'm just taking the word of some other mathematician that described the centripetal force that comes from the stars. I have that math on my TikTok right now. So if you want to debate about the math on the TikTok, we can do that. But asking me, a non-mathematician, to debate that with you is not going to change the shape of the Earth. Just so you know.

We can debate the math all day, but it doesn't change anything, okay? We got you. Maverick says, Flurfs, how does the sun and moon go over the earth? They're either in, apart of, or outside the dome. So which is it, and why can't you explain it? I mean, I personally believe that in order to know things for sure, you have to go there and do experiments, all right? If I had to guess, if I had to just give my, you know, for once, I'm going to throw an opinion out there. For once, I know I never do that.

I'm going to assume that just like everything else, what's up in the sky is liquid-based. So what they describe as a firmament, I don't see as a hard crystalline structure, but maybe a different consistency of water similar to what we see in the ocean. But again, this is guessing. Nobody has been up there. Nobody has that data yet. Let's move on. Rodman says, Ross, have you ever traveled in a Boeing airplane?

I can't confirm or deny that. I don't know. Have you, have you, I guess more simply, they want to know if you've taken like a flight somewhere before. I've taken, I've taken plenty of flights. I see you MC. All right. What's up MC Tim? Okay. I just want to reiterate here. Ross brought up experiments that don't confirm the things that he thinks they confirm. They, they contradict his position completely and he accepts them.

because they confirm in his mind, but they don't, his position. They're written up

experiments done by real scientists and very nice experiments that don't conclude but but he accepts them okay now i did an experiment i brought video that i took during that experiment and he doesn't like the results of that experiment so he doesn't accept that experiment so this is the double standard right he says that experiment i will accept

No video of it. He couldn't speak to the person that did it. They're long dead. But he accepts it, even though it doesn't actually confirm his position. But my experiment that I did, he completely rejects because it doesn't confirm his position. This is, for the audience, I'm speaking to the audience here. This is how dishonest flat earthers are.

Okay, so let me respond. No, you cannot respond. I will not. Yes, I can. This question was to me. This question was to me. I get the last word. No, listen up. The question was to me. I get the last word. I'm giving my closing arguments right now. I'm giving my closing arguments right now. Okay? This is how disgusting flat earthers are. They are a religious cult. They are horrible people in general.

Not always, but in general, they're horrible people. Ross is one example of such a horrible person. Vince, not as much. He's just, he's a clown. I get that. I appreciate the clown. He's like Murdoch in the A-Team. Ah, that's nice. Thank you. So, so, but, but this is to the audience. Pay close attention. Ross didn't actually bring any evidence, any, any, anything at all that supports his position. All he did was re, reject, reject,

everything that was brought he said he wanted to see see things i showed him things he goes oh i don't take pictures i won't accept pictures so then i then i'm like oh well here's the result the measurements he won't accept the measurements right what will he accept he will accept nothing

Okay, Mac Toon, why is the sun morphing here in your FD final experiment shit? It's taken with an Insta360 camera that has two lenses on it. And at the intersection between the two lenses, it's doing a stitching between them.

Why is it only the sun that is doing that and nothing else? Everything is. No, no, no. The sun is becoming ellipsoidic. Do you see that? It is an Insta360 X4 camera. Go get your own Insta360. It's a $500 camera. And then go record the sun in your locale and point the stitch toward the sun and then go watch what happens. You'll see the same thing. I don't know. It's weird.

It's not weird. It's totally normal. The glow of the sun will exaggerate it. Yeah. And what about the six months there is no sun over there? What about that? That's what the globe predicts.

Okay, or it's just heading towards the center of the flat earth and therefore no light is going to the Antarctic and then six months it goes back and then there is no light. That doesn't make any sense at all. What do you mean it doesn't make sense? When you've got six months of summer... Hold on, hold on. When we got summer... Darkness in the Arctic and vice versa.

When we have summer, they have complete darkness over there. That tells me the sun is closer to us now and it's dark in Antarctica for six months. The sun could never actually set according to geometry. Hold on, hold on, hold on. And then in September, we get autumn and winter. It gets the sun now because it's now over there.

Yeah, absolutely matching the globe and not matching flat earth. No, it's matching the flat earth. Show the geometry. No, common sense says it's matching. Show the geometry. Geometry beats common sense. Okay, let me ask you this, Mac Toon. How come the temperature moves with the circular sun? Meaning it's cold when it's rising, but

But then at noon, it gets pretty warm here in Sweden when it's directly under me. Hold on. When it's directly under me, it's warm, right? But then as soon as it moves a little bit, it starts to get fucking cold, man. It's getting cold. And that's weird. Shouldn't it be even? I don't know. Anyway. I'm going to give Paul the last word on this one. I think it should be even. My gosh, you're dumb.

No, take it. Why should the rotation change the temperature? When it's above you, you've got the full direct sunlight. As it goes away, that's been spread over a wider area, so it's cooler. That's why it's always cooler first thing in the morning.

This is just proof that flat earthers are dumb. Vince, I appreciate that. I'm mute. No, it proves to me that you're stupid. It proves to you that you're stupid. It proves to me that audience that you're stupid. Vince is stupid, but that doesn't change the fact. Vince is stupid. I agree. Yeah, I am stupid. Let me be. You still don't have evidence, though. Yeah, I'm just saying. Shut up, Ross. You don't accept evidence. I'm just saying. That has been made clear. Stop asking for evidence. The temperature, the temp state.

I'm just saying the temperature seems to be attached to the ball. I think, yeah, where's that drink? Of course it is. The temperature is directly related to sun. It should be related to the rays, not the ball. It should be related to the... It doesn't miss. Shut up. I'm shining a torch at this, right? So when the sun is above you...

That's where the Sun is put so you're getting the full amount of the sunlight if I go like that if you're imagine your studio You're getting full sunlight if I go like this right the full sunlight to you You're not getting as much sunlight there because I'm yeah, but that tells me it's a local Sun because it should be giving an even temperature from the Distance it is 90 whatever miles Why is it

What he's saying Paul is what you're showing us is a wide light that is basically covering the whole side when we look at the Sun it's Directed as if it's clover as if it's closer. Yeah your example proves what Vince is saying Yeah, it's a pass hold on I'm gonna keep all the last because you're too stupid on MC2 and I know that you're yeah really want to throw out the Shade right now, but I won't let Paul finish this one up

All they're showing is their lack of understanding. It's blatantly obvious. If this was actually putting out heat, if I'm putting it like this, you're the centre there, right? You're going to get maximum heat. If I go like this, so it's coming from the side, you're going to get less heat. That's why it's cooler when the sun's starting to set.

Alright. I'm not your buddy guy says the Earth isn't flat. Please don't tell me you truly believe this. You can't be this simple minded. Well, I'm starting to wonder that as well, whether people actually really believe this. Let's just carry on. It was technically towards them, but I don't think there's too much to engage with there. Our Goonie says, how do they predict auroras and what are auroras? So I'll take you guys off mute there. We're just going to carry on. But all the questions, pretty much all of them are for you guys. So I, you know...

I do apologize to the other side that we're not getting as many questions for you. But go ahead there, Vincent. Or Vince, sorry. I'm just going to shut up now. You know what I mean? Oh, thank you. Here, I've got an answer. I can actually give a really nice geometrical answer here. You see this here?

Yeah, that's a straight line that is bent. Here's a diagram. Okay, so here's the sunlight. So here's at noon. You can see the sun's coming down. I used this ruler. So the difference between these two lines is the same. Right here, three centimeters.

Now, same width of the sun shining over 9 centimeters. So this should get one-third as much heat as this does because this amount of energy is spread over three times the area as this is. So that's how it's colder. That completely explains it. This is just basic geometry. Theoretically, that's how it's colder. Shut up, Ross. Nobody cares about you, Ross. Nobody cares about you, Ross.

That's the answer. If you don't understand it, that's not a problem. I think the rays... I don't think that small amount of area in curvature should change the temperature from those rays. It's about the angle of the rays. In that little diagram there, it's a 3x change in the amount of energy. So that slight angle is going to make it that much colder. Or...

Yes. Or, Mactoon, or the most logical thing is that it's local. No, not the most logical. You're about to say the least logical thing. No, okay, that's what you think. I think it's more logical that the heat is concentrated on the ball itself. As close as you are to the ball of the sun. Well, that matches the experiment, Vince. Yeah, experiment would show that what you just said matches up. Alejandro, ask us a question. There's no experiment. I agree. All right.

Common sense, but these guys are delusional. You're just idiots. I love you, Michael, but you're delusional. You're just dumb. That's not evidence. Just hold on, guys. Just go around the board here until we can get some controlio, I swear. Except for you, Paul. You're just chilling, I swear.

I'm about falling asleep. We're having a ball over here, me and you. I swear it's what we do. Alejandro, oh my. People will be like, pun intended, Ryan? Oh yeah, I'm in trouble. Alejandro Valero says, no, Ross, name one scientist that says the words, the Earth is flat. Not your misinterpretation of experiments. One scientist that says it is flat.

Well, I want to take a moment to say that, you know, earlier when McToon is saying that I won't accept any evidence whatsoever, that that is just a lie. OK, I accept McToon's evidence that he looked at about the sun. Can we? Yeah. Yeah. Now, about this question.

Again, you have to go ask people that believe the earth is flat for a scientist. I don't follow scientists that believe stuff. I just look at experiments. All right. So whatever the latest experiment is in scientific research, that's what I'm looking at. So I'm not looking for scientists that say the earth is flat. I don't want scientists that say that. I look for scientists that say the earth is a globe and I examine their evidence. That's what I usually spend my time doing.

You refused the evidence that I presented. I did not refuse it. I accepted it. It's evidence of the sun. Stop lying. Okay. ClarenceAS2 says, Ross, you could have saved us a lot of time if you just admitted you don't know what unulating theory of light is. Well...

I mean, I'm sorry that I wasted your time. You didn't have to watch this if you do feel like that. But regardless of what the definition of the undulating theory of light is, it does not then mean that you guys have magically presented evidence of the shape of the earth. Regardless, that's a nonsense conversation. It's a filibuster. All right. Is there evidence? Is the evidence conclusive? The answer is no. Simply gave evidence. There's no evidence and it's not conclusive. McToon is lying.

I gave evidence 10.1 arc seconds more than 180 degrees you rejected it I can say that too anybody can say anything

I gave you measurements. You asked for measurements. I gave you measurements. You gave us a picture of a piece of paper. All you did was reject it. And when you reject it, you prove me right when you reject it. That I say, you just reject evidence. Then you say, no, I don't. And then you reject the evidence, proving me right. I love being right. Thank you for proving me right. All right. There are a lot of questions for the flat side. So, yeah, I do, like I say, apologize. How about this? Ryan.

Read the ones that are not for them quick. You want to leave already? Oh, he's very uncomfortable right now. Come on, man. This is all in fun. You got like four to go. Come on, man. Don't be triggered. Don't be triggered like FDFE, man. Maybe it's five. Otherwise, he will become the sensei now. People get excited, okay, when they see we're getting near the end. Aorta says, Flatties, what is your strongest personality trait and why is it being brain dead? All right, let's just carry on from there.

Rodman says, Ross or Vince, explain the Antarctica 24-hour sun. We just did that. We already did that. I did that. Yeah, we already did that. So, I mean, he's given his explanation. Whether you found it compelling or not is funny. Yeah, we debated that. We'll have to leave that up to the audience, but we did already hit that one. Flurfology says, Ross, you are a lying flurf. Nothing. Unbiased. I...

I'm sorry. They're just projecting, Ross. They're the liars. The last one is from Obi-Wan himself. All right. So we got to respect. All right. So how the Farrakhan do flirts get so deep into their delusion because they are in a cult?

Because we're free thinkers, motherfuckers. Let him finish. They just said wake up, flurf idiots. They're just being a little bit... Yeah, listen, listen. And I accept that because what that does is it proves that you guys don't have any scientific evidence. And that's your cultists. I gave you evidence. It's just religion. I gave you evidence and you rejected the evidence. That's what they do. You won't accept it. And when you reject the evidence...

Then that proves me right. Hillary Clinton has insulted me. Hillary Clinton has insulted me. Ryan. You say you want evidence. You reject the evidence when I give it to you. I accept all evidence. Okay, then I provided evidence that the Earth is a globe. Not using the sky at all.

of 10.1 arc seconds... I said the sky wasn't involved. Why do you keep saying not the sky when the sky was not... Oh my gosh, you lying piece of trash.

Trash? The sky was not involved, you piece of absolute filth. Absolute filth? You garbage, useless human lying to everybody. I am too tall to be garbage. You look more like a tiny piece of... It does not use the sky. It does not use the sky. Reciprocal zenith angles do not use the sky. Really? So what's a zenith angle? It's coming, Vincent. What's a zenith angle? It's spicy over here right now, okay? Just chill.

You're too stupid to understand it, Ross. That's the problem. You're saying zenith angles don't have anything to do with the sky. You're correct. They don't have anything to do with the sky. So what's a zenith angle then? It's a departure from vertical. Vertical? Vertical? Straight up. Oh. So it doesn't have anything to do with the sky, but I am measuring a vertical in comparison to it. It's using the downward vector. That's what it's using.

You're talking about a pump bomb measure. Let's get into closing statements. We've exhausted. Okay, now can I be not interrupted? Yes, you're right. You guys got me all caught up into it. You guys are idiots. I promised Vince he could close this out. I put you on the mute. I say this with love. I say this with love, McToon. Okay? You guys are always the ones insulting the other side, which was proven here. Hold on, McToon. I say this in love.

You are the guys that always wants to insult personally, insult us, people like us. And then when we insult back, you get triggered. How does that work? You're the one insulting the first. You know what I mean? How does that work? You're mad. We're not. Yet it was you who started instigated the first insults. And you just did it now, too. Now you can go, McDo. All right. You want to come off? No, let him speak, McDo. I think he's talking to his audience right now.

Oh man, he's not even here man. He's not even here. But can you guys answer that? Flat or Globe? You guys always want to insult us, personal insults, and when we shoot back, you get triggered and want to leave like Mactoon. You know? Or like FTFV who wanted me dead. He wanted me dead. Go watch the last stream. Not hearing anything yet from MC Toon. Alright, are they done?

Yeah, did you hear me Mac - no, I wasn't listening to you. Okay. I said it with love. I said it I said I Want to go in chill I have a good time in my bed cuz I'm tired

Yeah. Let's just give those closings MC tune. I see you over there, Vince. Poor fella. All right. My closing is one minute. Flat earthers reject evidence. I provided evidence. Ross says he doesn't reject evidence and then rejects evidence. He says he only accepts evidence.

he rejected the science that I gave. He is... This is, dear audience, this is the state of flat earthers. They cannot provide any evidence for anything. The things that he brought up don't support him, are not measurements of flatness. Vince brought up a video that's with a fisheye lens. I brought up three that don't have fisheye lenses. And what does he do? He rejects mine

and instead goes for his with his rocky thing. That's not actually how you do things. You need to have a good high quality instrumentation in order to determine actual science. Flat earthers hate science. They hate evidence. But this has been a master class in that. So thank you very much to them for showing that flat earthers are disinterested in evidence. All right, over to you, Paul. One minute on the floor and thanks for coming out to Modern Day Debate.

Yeah, all I've heard here is their lack of understanding of the reality in the world that we live in. They reject every single piece of evidence that's presented to them. At the end of the day, in 1972, we went up in a rocket, turned back around, took some photos of the Earth, and we know that it's a globe. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming on out, MC Toon and Paul, and representing the globe side. So we're going to go over to the flat side to close out their thoughts. So one minute on the floor, Ross.

I just want to thank everybody for coming tonight, especially McToon, man. Hi, McToon. I know you love seeing me over here, man, and I love it too, man. I'm sorry you got so frustrated tonight, man. Next week will be better, I promise, all right? Like I said from the beginning, all right, the only evidence they have is of the sky. There won't be any evidence of the ground. And I was right.

I was right. No, I like Paul. You know what I mean? So no disrespect to Paul, but Paul did give us evidence. And I still hold is I still maintain come from our measurement.

of the stars and so i would love to get maybe into it with paul matt another time because i need to know more information about that though it's not my area of expertise all right i thank everybody for coming shout out ryan you know i mean uh i'm sorry to give you a headache ryan you know i you know i know that i give you a headache every time you know uh you guys can find me at real offended if you want to hear vince uh annoy the shit out of me then you can you can see it's on roast reactions where i will be giving genius music takes and vince will be talking nonsense as usual

There you go. Thank you so much. But yeah, some people have superpowers. You sure do. They're real offended. No, I'm kidding. I have to roast you as much as you would anyone else. All right. So one minute for you, Vince, on the floor. Let me just correct Ross. I think I have annoyed Ryan way more than Ross has in this stream. Okay. I feel like I was annoying you.

Yeah, we were annoying each other basically. Basically, they got zero evidence. They're on the other side. They're for the system. They're on the side of the government who lies blatantly about everything. So you're basically, Paul, I like you as a guy, but you're training your own human race. And so is McToon. They're liars. And of course, they're going to lie. McToon left.

He's so offended. But he was the one who started it. But anyways, anybody that is sane knows that it's all a plane. Reality confirms that. And that's all I need to say. Go to roastreactions.com.

and hit us up with some songs that we're gonna roast. By the way Ross, one of the bands, they commented and really liked one of our reactions, Jello's Inc. You know the band with the many switches from Yugoslavia or something. Anyways, thank you Ryan. I appreciate it even though you were a little bit biased this time, but I forgive you. The worst. And Paul, great to talk to you. And Ross, you're my guy. Non-gay.

All right. Well, either way, yeah, we're going to wrap it up there. Thanks, everybody, for coming out to Modern Day Debate. We appreciate seeing all the enthusiasm in the live chat, whether you're, you know, just having fun, you know, ridiculing arguments or, you know, just paying attention to the, you know, the optics of it all. You know, your outrage is just food for the algorithm. Feed us your outrage.

Alright, I'm just picking. Honestly, we appreciate everybody who participated in the Super Chats, our panel here, Ross and all of his antics. You're not coming back off me, bud. You're done. You haven't even said anything! Look at him, though. He is so ready. No, I'm just being bad. Alright, thanks guys for coming out. I'm just giving everyone a hard time. Except for Paul. Thanks very much. It's been a blast. He's too kind over there. Alright, cheers. See you next time. Cheers.

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