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The Wide Open

2025/2/4
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Carolyn Ritchie
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Dan McCoy
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Griffin Bell
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Hank Hill
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Lewis Powell
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Nick Mott
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Richard Crowe
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Roman Mars
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Warren Burger
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Zig Plotter
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Hank Hill: 作为一名法律系学生,我最初对环境法并不感兴趣,但当朋友建议我关注泰利科水坝对小田纳西河的影响时,我开始意识到《濒危物种法》可能可以阻止水坝的建设。我热爱那条河流,不希望它被水坝变成一个泥泞的湖泊。我与齐格·普洛特教授合作,共同为保护小银汉鱼和河流而努力,尽管最终我们失败了,但我仍然认为我们所做的一切都是值得的。 Carolyn Ritchie: 我从小在小田纳西河畔的农场长大,那里的生活虽然贫困,但我们很幸福。当TVA宣布要建造泰利科水坝时,我的家人决定抗争到底。我们不希望离开世代居住的土地,也不希望看到美丽的河流被水坝淹没。我们与其他农民一起,通过法律途径阻止水坝的建设,但最终还是失败了。尽管如此,我仍然会回到曾经的家园,怀念那段美好的时光。 Zig Plotter: 作为一名环境法教授,我一直关注着环境问题。当我得知泰利科水坝将威胁到小银汉鱼的生存时,我意识到《濒危物种法》可以阻止水坝的建设。我与汉克·希尔合作,共同为保护小银汉鱼和河流而努力。我们赢得了最高法院的胜利,但最终还是无法阻止水坝的建设。尽管如此,我仍然认为我们所做的一切都是有意义的,因为我们提高了人们对环境保护的意识。 Nick Mott: 《濒危物种法》多年来一直伴随着我,促使我关注物种如何分裂我们。我意识到,物种分裂我们的原因不仅仅是物种本身,更是物种背后的法律,特别是《濒危物种法》。在小银汉鱼的案例中,我们没有其他方法来保护它,这条鱼被证明是权宜之计,但也证明是有效的。我喜欢《濒危物种法》,我认为它在保护物种方面做得非常出色,但它也存在真正的问题,我们需要更强大的保护措施,可以针对生态系统并拯救生态系统。 Warren Burger: 无论明智与否,国会已经颁布法令,规定濒危物种优先于数百万美元的水坝。 Lewis Powell: 法院的判决给重要项目的持续运营蒙上了一层阴影,即使是那些服务于社会重要需求和国防的项目。如果持续运营危及新发现的水蜘蛛或蟑螂的生存或关键栖息地,项目的运营可能会被停止。 Griffin Bell: 我手里拿着一条小银汉鱼,它是本案的7号证物。 Dan McCoy: 我们认为《濒危物种法》会阻止水坝的建设,但显然我们已经输掉了那场战斗。 Richard Crowe: 我们的祖先告诉我,这是我们的开始,我们绝不能让它死去。

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This chapter explores the historical context surrounding the passing of the Endangered Species Act in 1973, highlighting the environmental awakening, the influence of the civil rights movement, and President Nixon's role in enacting key environmental legislation. It also introduces the upcoming story of the snail darter, a tiny fish that would become central to the Act's legal battles.
  • The Endangered Species Act (ESA) passed in 1973 with unanimous Senate support.
  • The act's passage coincided with a growing environmental awareness and the influence of the civil rights movement.
  • President Nixon signed the ESA, along with other landmark environmental laws, despite being a Republican president.

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Last week, we delved into story of how the Tennessee Valley Authority, which started out as a public institution, ended up acting like a private for-profit company, and the lawsuit that attempted to finally bring the TVA to its heel. Today, Montana Public Radio’s podcast The Wide Open tells the story of a different lawsuit against the TVA that had even bigger consequences. In the 1970s, the fight to save a tiny fish called the snail darter turned the Endangered Species Act from a minor bit of federal law into the most powerful and controversial piece of environmental legislation of the past 50 years.

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