Listener Story Ep 26: Featuring Jesse Keene: The Spiritual Journey
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I'm your host, Nicole Bigley, and you are listening to a listener series on A Psychic Story. Hi, psychic listeners. We have our fourth guest for the listener segment of the podcast. This is where we dive in deeper with someone who sent in a listener story in a prior episode. And today we have on Jesse Keen. Jesse joined Psychic Story after sending in this story.

Hey Nicole, first off I just wanted to thank you so much for all that you do for your podcast. A Psychic Story has been a savior for me the last several years and it's just been such a great resource for learning about all things psychic, for learning about this community, and more importantly for just not feeling alone, just in feeling like there are other people like me out there.

So because of that, I wanted to share a story with you just in case it resonated with anyone else. So here goes. For me, as a child, I was extremely shy and I was very sensitive around other people. Sensitive to their feelings, their emotions, and sometimes even their intentions. Making this even more difficult was that I was an only child, I was abused, and in a household with constant fighting and drug and alcohol use.

So physically and energetically, I really didn't have anywhere to turn for support or protection. I pretty much had to rely on myself, which was very tough as a child. On top of this, the house I grew up in was haunted. I would constantly see shadow figures passing. I could hear the sound of someone walking down the hall when no one was there. I experienced objects that were there not being there a moment later, flickering lights.

random, specific loss of power in certain places or on certain devices. I can't tell you how many times I lost an essay or a term paper because just my computer would turn on and off. The biggest thing was that I could feel a heavy energy of being watched all the time. And in order to sleep, I would tuck my sheets in around all three sides of my bed and then slide in the top and sleep with my head under the pillow.

In my sleep, I would actually have dreams of things that would happen days later. And then during the day, I would also have intense déjà vu all the time, like feeling like I had experienced what I was experiencing before. So when I was a kid, I was just on this constant stressful overload all the time, trying to process the physical things and the abuse I was experiencing, as well as the metaphysical things I was experiencing.

all the while trying to pretend to be a normal kid. So from an early age, I actually began to start sneaking out of my room late at night in order to escape what I was feeling in the house. There was a school at my end of the block, so I would go there and lay in the field and look up at the stars. And I would always ask, you know, why was I there? Why was all this happening? And I would always ask for help. I even remember asking to be taken back, and I don't even know

if I knew then what that even meant. I don't even know if I know now what that meant. But I always remember looking up longingly and asking to be taken back. But I would always feel comfortable, or comforted, excuse me, after these nights in the field. The paranormal activity and my sensitivities and these late night escapes would go on for years in that house. And as I got older,

I got more and more frustrated, actually, with this paranormal activity because it was so debilitating at times. I was often shouting out loud, leave me alone or not now, just so I could get through whatever I was doing, whether it was homework or practicing piano or watching TV. And my requests were often followed with, please just let me get through this. And strangely enough, this all started to work.

Because of that, eventually I preemptively began to start all of my activities with, "Please help me do this," or "Please let me do that," not really knowing who or what I was asking, but afterward I could feel a shift in the energy and the ability for myself to be more clear and focused. Ultimately, the experiences we were having in that home got to be so much that we had a priest come bless the house.

And I guess that story might be better for the Supernatural Matters podcast. But anyway, that being said, the activity stopped almost completely after that. But there was one thing that didn't stop.

So when I would practice my piano lessons and begin to play, I could feel a presence come sit next to me on the piano bench. And the bench would always creak as if someone had sat down. Now before the blessing, this was one of the experiences that actually scared me the most.

But afterward, this felt entirely different to me. With all that I had gone through in this house and with my parents, I don't think that there is any way that I should have made it through to the other side. Welcome to A Psychic Story, Jesse. Thank you, Nicole. It's great to be here. Yeah, well, I'm excited to dive in because you've been listening to the podcast for a while. Thank you for sending in your story about your experiences and everything growing up.

And we have a lot of other news and things we want to get to at the end of this episode. But this is really about you and your experiences. And I know you've made a lot of spiritual, you've had a lot of spiritual growth and made some decisions on the professional side of things. So wherever you would like to start diving in a little bit more, maybe from what it was like when you were a child and what were those experiences that you had and

and how they've made them who you are today. Yeah, thank you so much. I mean, this is really cool to be doing this with you.

You know, interestingly enough, as a child, I was always just super sensitive to people's feelings, people's emotions. And I did grow up in an abusive household. And I think that made it even more intense, feeling things on a much deeper level, not really knowing whether it was a psychic level or an intuitive level, but just having this sort of knowingness about things. And

Growing up, my mother was very into psychic phenomenon and metaphysical things. However, she used them in this way to sort of justify why her life wasn't working out and prevented her from sort of accessing any sort of free will. It was sort of like, oh, well, this is why I had this bad card dealt to me. And so it was like a crutch, the way she sort of used the excuse of past lives or things.

Or karma. Yeah, or karma. Exactly. And I vividly remember once going to a medical school bookstore and watching the clerk watching my mother and everywhere my mom was walking, my mom was like knocking things off shelves and off cabinets and things. It was very bizarre. And the whole time I was having this feeling of like, we have got to get out of here. We have got to get out of here.

And with such intensity, and I finally grabbed my mom and we were, and I'm like eight years old and we're walking very quickly out the store. And the woman comes from behind the counter and she kind of grabs me by the shoulders and she says, you have this gift. Do not run away. I was always having deja vu in this house, when the house I grew up in, feeling, like I said, entities in this house.

and always feeling like I was being watched or there was things around me. And so it was just very bizarre to have this experience with this woman and for her to have sort of this knowingness. And so I didn't know really what to make up, make out of it, but I always knew it was something that was within me. And then growing up in the house that had ghosts in it, it was also tied to maybe this element of being fearful of this awareness that I had. And so as I got older,

Really, not necessarily knowing how much I was using this intuitive nature when I was talking to people or working with people, whether it was at school or later in college or in career, that I was somehow tapping into the energy of a situation, like really being able to understand and intuit what was happening and being able to

You know, I was working in corporate retail. So whether it was calming someone down, which was most often the case, or being able to see a path forward or being able to come up with solutions and really feeling this sort of level of support in this otherworldly way, which I think sounds bizarre as I say it, but.

in a way that felt like I was channeling something. You know, how am I knowing that this is happening? And which was a good benefit, you know, for me to have in a lot of ways to feel a connection with people on a different level to help me communicate, to help me experience things. But come to fast forward, you know, being able to get out of this house that was abusive and be able to be successful and to be able to move on with my life.

And knowing that I had this spiritual connection to things, but not knowing where to go with it or where to take it or how to develop it, to be honest. And when the pandemic hit, I was in a job working for this big corporation. I had a very intense job. And every day I would essentially be praying, please get me out of this job. I cannot do this. It's hurting my soul. It is breaking me down. And

I got laid off on my birthday. I didn't realize it was on your birthday. It was, yeah. And ironically, shortly thereafter, I had found your podcast. And I had also randomly got this email from the Deepak Chopra organization about this coaching program. And so...

I kind of felt like in this moment, okay, I'd been basically praying to get released from this job. Careful what you ask for and how you ask for it or what the outcome is going to be, but also universe works in miraculous ways. Yeah, I should have been more specific with how and why I get released from this job and what the next steps would be. And I had always wanted in my life when I was young to be a teacher.

I was tutoring kids all through junior high and high school, and I always thought teaching would be my path. And when I'd gotten this thing about a coaching program and leaving this corporate job that I'd had for decades, it was sort of like, is the universe pointing me in a direction? And I ultimately took the breadcrumbs and moved forward with it. And so it became a very transformational time

thankfully to your podcast for me to get exposed to more things, um, supernatural meaning, you know, greater than the nature that we see and, um, connecting to my intuition and, and learning what's out there in terms of resources and developing that within myself in tandem with this transformational journey of going through this coaching program where I, um,

first had to become certified as an Ayurvedic health teacher, and then as a meditation instructor, and then ultimately as a well-being coach. And this segment of time was inherently just transformational more personally than I ever thought it would be. I thought I would learn these sort of skills and practices, but really it changed my life and my being and my

awareness of myself and, and situations and others around me on a profoundly different level. And so I really do have to thank you just once again for the support because we had sessions together, which were extremely transformative on top of everything else I was going to going through to help me gain more comfort and more ease and more, um,

awareness and excitement and even fun, you know, to really start exploring more of these aspects of these things that are so in our nature, but could maybe be fearful or fearful or scary. But ultimately are these amazing tools that we have within us? Should we be able to really tap into them? Not that I'm done on this journey by any stretch of the imagination. Are we ever? Right. You know, it's a journey.

And to be able to really take these and move forward and continue the journey, continue the process and find community and find other souls and beings out there who are on a similar path or on a similar journey. And ultimately for me, drawing on what I wanted to do as a kid in my mind then was teaching, being able to be in a place where I could be more of a coach and be sort of a partner and helping people help people.

help themselves. Yeah. Well, first of all, you're very welcome. But also I want to say thank you because I believe you were one of my first clients or one of the first, at least when I was feeling led to create the packages where people could work with me a little bit more one-on-one.

because I don't have time necessarily to do the courses and all of that and do more sessions. And so thank you for that. And you dropped a lot of really good nuggets. So I'm going to kind of go back a little bit and have more specific questions about that. And one of which I also want to learn a little bit more about what it is that you're doing now and

what that all entails too, that'll be towards the end. But one of the first things that you mentioned was the abuse or what I would also consider trauma. And I've talked about before on the podcast where people, it's my belief, not my experience directly, but from working with people and seeing this unfold through my friends and family, is that when we experience often trauma, we tend to, in some ways, either we shut down or it also opens up our psychic ability

abilities and or gifts more so because we tend to rely on another aspect of our instinct for self-preservation, for guidance and everything else. So while it's not great, obviously those experiences that we go through

In some ways, it can also be blessings and different ways to help us later on as well as we start to unfold. So I'd like, we don't have to get into the details and everything, but if you feel like it's pertinent to share with the listeners, was there any sort of lessons or learnings when you were younger going through what you did?

If someone's, you know, if they're experiencing that or they're trying to heal from that perspective, how maybe your psychic abilities or your intuition, the things you thought then, do you maybe look at it the same or differently now?

Or any maybe guidance or advice you would have for people? Yeah. You know, I think you're right. I think in the moment, you know, especially as a child there, there, I definitely felt like there was some sort of sense about me that was helping foster me along, if that makes sense. Mm hmm.

You know, openly, my parents abused drugs and alcohol. They were physically abusive, verbally abusive. And so that's a very unsettling, chaotic sort of not not feeling a foundation. And so being in a position where I was having to make a lot of decisions for myself as a child. Do I want to play the clarinet? Do I want to go to this school? Do I want to, you know, all these sort of things that you kind of want guidance or help that you just really can't get.

Somehow, I do feel like in retrospect, divinely, I was somehow being led to be able to have the fortitude as a young child, especially to be able to guide myself and make these sort of decisions when I didn't have that support or understanding.

system to rely on or to feel secure to go forward and do things. I do believe that in this lifetime, we choose this experience that we're having. And I think that has helped me as I've gotten older to have greater gratitude and awareness and understanding of the things that I went through because I think that if I

didn't grow up in this sort of situation and may not be as sensitive or as empathetic or as compassionate or these other things that help me personally relate to other people and draw upon this

common humanity that we share, that we all have these experiences. Maybe not to the degree that we all share, but there's ways that we can tap into those feelings or emotions or experiences that helps us be present and help us be partners for each other. So I think that being able to come through the other side, I think that's what maybe led me into coaching is just that

I feel like I've had so many different experiences on so many different levels that we can share, you know, and not to belabor this, but when you're being a coach, you're able to be more present and share things with yourself. You know, at one point I thought, should I become a therapist? But that's almost a little bit more one-sided in my perspective.

Whereas when you can be present and be yourself and have a full exchange, that's when I think we can all grow and learn from one another. Yes, exactly. And so it also sounds like with your mom, and you mentioned she's the psychic or the past lives and other things is like this crutch thing.

You saw a way forward and approached things differently as far as being empowered after or as a result of your psychic and intuition. Would you say that your mom or anyone else in your family then or now feels like or knows that they have psychic abilities too? Because I talk about that a lot that it typically runs in families for the most part.

I'm not certain. You know, the experiences that we were having in the house with the ghosts or the beings or whatever that was in this house, we didn't talk about it together until it really had come to a point where we did have to get a priest to come in, bless the house, and do the whole situation. So it was an intense experience with those. Yeah. Not just I hear footsteps in the hallway. I had to get a priest to come in. Mm-hmm.

Yes, yes. So we were experiencing these things, but all in our own individual silos until I don't know what sort of broke the silence with for us to share these sort of things. And so I do wonder if there were aspects of within my mom that had knowingness or had ability, but she certainly never talked about it. And

In retrospect, I almost wonder if that could be maybe why there was drug and alcohol abuse, because maybe she was experiencing things on certain levels that she just didn't understand or couldn't cope with or that drove her to make some really bad decisions in terms of...

the use of other things. I don't know. It's interesting. Yeah. I just didn't know too if later any of you had had any conversations about, in hindsight, there's this or that. And one other kind of final question before we move on to the other ones that I had is, so what was the net-net once the priest came in, the house was blessed, did everything calm down?

Did it amp up? What was the, don't leave us in a cliffhanger here? Yes. So interestingly enough, um,

My dad's side of the family was Catholic, and I spent a lot of time with my grandmother, and she would take me to church. And so Catholic church was very scary to me personally, not making any judgments about it. But the imagery of this being on a cross and the kind of stand up, sit down, and the ritualness of it was very strange and sort of uncomfortable for me. And so...

when we had the priest come into the house, my parents had me lead him through because I was having more of the experiences in the home than they were. And that was almost as scary as the experiences we were having, just the incense and the verbiage and the sort of procession of it. I mean, it was just very, very, it was just, I could feel this weird discomfort. However, after it was all said and done,

Yeah, all of the extraneous stuff stopped, like the power going on and off and losing term papers and things moving and whatever. However, there was still this, I could still feel the presence of a being there, but it felt different after. And I think while everything was going on, I couldn't discern that one was supportive and maybe one was, I don't want to say negative, but not as supportive or one that wasn't for my highest good.

But after the blessing happened, I definitely could feel this other sense that felt like, okay, this is a calm presence. This is something that's more safe. This is something that might be more nurturing as opposed to feeling on guard and like I'm being watched and feeling this sort of oppressive energy. Even as a kid and even today, you know, I go into places and I'm the only one that feels cold or I feel strange or I feel like,

I need to be in the corner of this room so I can kind of see because I can feel that there's this sense of being watched or something. So it is interesting that I still connect to that now, though not as much. It's not cuing the panic button like it used to when I was five years old.

And then the other thing you were talking about was your path. So you were retailed and you were on a corporate side and now you're doing the teaching. And what was calling out to me as you were talking, and I wrote this down, is the path isn't always clear. Many people will ask, am I on the right path? And am I heading in the right direction? And am I taking the right steps? And Spirit has always said to me, people are going to end up where they need to be at some point eventually in their lives.

For most of us, we will get there and we will be there.

And it really is about trusting those breadcrumbs because certain things, whether in this case, you're talking about a job, but it could also be relationships and others, doesn't necessarily mean that you're in the wrong place. They are stepping stones or stepping paths, whatever you want to call it, to get eventually to where you need to be. Because I'm sure there were certain skill sets that you learned in retail and in the corporate environment and then teaching. And also, it's kind of a little bit like Goldilocks.

what I like, what I don't like, trying the porch, trying the beds. You don't know until you have those experiences really what you think you might know what you want and or what's fulfilling, but that's not necessarily always the case. So I just kind of felt led to share that as well.

Yeah, you know, I think that's important because I think that today we are in this time where there's just so much pressure for speed and fulfillment of so many things. And so we're sort of expected to know what we're doing, know where we're going, have it done, get it, make it happen. And I think because of this speed that we're expecting ourselves to go through things, we lose all connection with life.

your own voice, your intuition, yourself to be like, is this right? Does this feel good? Or is this what's expected of me? Could I be doing something? Can I listen to my heart? When we think that when we start following all these things are outside of ourselves, I think that's when we

don't see the breadcrumbs or we don't find the path or it takes us longer, like you said, because we've been so disconnected that we can't truly be present to take in the messages that might even be like the anvil coming from the ceiling, yet you still don't listen to it. Yeah, the ride. It's like that song, enjoy the ride or the journey part of it. And we don't always enjoy that aspect of it.

Okay. So tell us a little bit more about where you are today. So you mentioned you are doing training and you took courses and you have a business and things. And so let's talk about that aspect of, cause you're now fully in the spiritual world. You're in the woo now completely. I mean, I guess, you know, maybe we're never, we're never apart from it, but we sort of accept it. I mean it from a professional standpoint here in the woo. Oh yes. Yes. As a

As opposed to being out of the corporate stuff. Yes, yes. I am. And it's been such a, like I said, it's such a journey of self-learning and self-discovery. But where I, you know, learning all this stuff through...

the Chopra organization, it's all rooted in Ayurveda. I don't know how familiar you are with Ayurveda. I'm not as much. And I was going to say Ayurveda, but I want to make sure I did not mispronounce it too, because it's one of those words I struggle with. So yes, I'm familiar, but I'm not in deep. So if you don't mind educating me and anyone else that's listening that's not familiar with it, that'd be great. I'll try my best. It's a vast

vast system and I know, you know, fractions of it, but it's a 5,000 year old wisdom tradition from India. And it's really based in how we achieve balance in our mind, body, and soul. And we are able to do that through very simple and profound ways of sleep, nutrition, meditation, mindful movement, processing of our emotions, you know, all these sort of very accessible things.

and how we sort of create balance within our intrinsic nature. And it was just such a fascinating thing to go through this process of awareness that helps you tune into your body. You know, your body has the infinite wisdom to say yes or no, this is right, this is not right. And when you are

eating well and sleeping well and meditating and you have a clear mind and you have a clear awareness, you can start really tapping into your own wisdom. And for me, when this started for me, I had always had digestive issues and things throughout my whole life. And as I got into Ayurveda and got into meditation,

I intuitively was like, hmm, I should stop drinking coffee. I should stop having dairy. I should really, hmm, I don't know if I want to keep eating meat anymore. Like I was having all these moments.

And I ended up going to a doctor after all of this and doing allergy testing and all these things that I intuitively stopped I was allergic to and had no idea. And so that was kind of like the, I'm on the right path here because this is me trusting myself, trusting my body, trusting my awareness to lead me down, you know, a path of health and wellness. And that's profoundly helpful as you get into like a coaching mode to be able to have that clarity and awareness to, you know,

understand and tap into where you're at emotionally to help you overcome blocks or resistance or fear or whatever it is that holds you back. And so through this program, we get coached as we learn coaching. And that just unlocked so much for me and really inspired me to start my coaching business. And through the coaching, I can also offer

teaching or advice on meditation or also Ayurvedic practices, because it's all intertwined, right? We can work on something, you know, we can work on improving the diet, but if we're not talking about why we're eating improperly or why we're binging for things, then you don't go anywhere. So it's all just, again, it's about the wholeness, the totality of it all. And I have found that through my coaching, especially through my work with you and the work that I continue to do,

helping me tap into when I'm with the client, just feeling their energy and having a sense of like, oh, this is, I feel like this is coming up. Does this resonate for you? And they're like, well, actually, yes. And, you know, so

Me never giving the advice, me never telling them what to do, but helping them express what's inside so that they can find the wisdom for themselves. So Jesse, when people come to you for an appointment or for coaching, what does that look like as far as what are the things that they can see in that first session or appointment? The first way I even start off before even sort of getting to that point of a first session is to have

have an introductory call. I think that's the best way to start to see what people are looking for, what they think coaching is, what they hope to get out of it. And if I'm a good fit for them, you know, I think that there's there's someone out there for everyone and my style may not mesh well with someone else's or maybe a great fit. That's generally how I would start first so that there's no sort of cold call feeling like you jump into a session, you don't know anything.

And then once we do get to a session, there's definitely intake forms and questionnaire that I felt that I have them fill out so that I understand some of the Ayurvedic components, their basic nature, any imbalances that they may have, in addition to things that they want to be working on. And so I kind of approach things in a couple ways. Most people want to come to a coach because there's something they want to change or there's something they want to evolve or there's something they want to do.

But coaching is also another way to kind of get to know yourself better. It's a great way to sort of get back to who you want to be. And so there's a couple ways we can approach this or a couple ways I approach it in terms of if you want to use coaching to work on something specific, that it's a limiting belief or something, you know, we definitely have ways to work with that. And Ayurvedically,

Depending on someone's nature, there are certain ways that people like to hear and receive information. So I sort of cater myself to meet them where they're at. Otherwise, if someone comes and wants to just work on their personal evolution, I have a more structured way of going through that where we would go through working on things like...

purpose and intention and meaning and shadow where I can go through structured exercises and programs that help someone really kind of dig a little deeper in a more formalized way that helps them kind of see other aspects of themselves. So either way, it's a really great and personal journey based on what someone wants and what someone needs. And then within that space, getting to know them and helping to understand where they are, where they're coming from, helps me sort of open up

And work with them on a deeper level to help them sort of kind of bring out the things that maybe that they're thinking or feeling. Did you ever think when you were little that this is where you would be now? At what point, I guess, did you get to a point in your journey where you're like, this is possible. This is something I want to do and I know I can do it. You know, yeah, I think that, you know, when I was young, I said I wanted to be a teacher. So I think I always...

There was a part of me that knew I wanted to connect with people or be of service and help. And throughout my career, I was always trying to weave that in. You know, I was always the person when we would have conferences, I was always the one doing the presentations or doing training or doing onboarding or helping people through problems and solutions and mentoring. And so I think I was always trying to craft some of that into it so that I could feel

fulfilled on a certain level. I think as I've gotten older, I think I've learned that the only way to feel real fulfillment is to be in service and to be helping. I think that really helps to balance out your life. And when you're off kilter with that, when you're not in service or when you're not doing something in alignment, I think that's when things feel heavy and wrong and rough. And it's like you're rolling a rock up the hill. So I think to some degree, I maybe felt that as I got older, I would be doing something

of help, of service, of teaching maybe in a certain kind of way. In my younger years, I don't think I ever would have thought I would do this because I think that when I was so... I got promoted to my first corporate job before I turned 20 and hit the ground running. And I was so programmed to...

the success, the money, the clothes, the car, the things, the stuff that I don't think I ever would have thought I would have done something like this because I probably couldn't have thought that I would make a living or I'd be able to be happy without those things. And I think it's been such a remarkable and beautiful change to come back to this place and be like, yes, this is fulfilling. This is more fulfilling than going on vacation to a certain place or doing whatever, whatever it is you perceive as being that marker of success.

I think the true marker is to be able to be present and be with people. And if you can impact one person, that's enough. The more, the better.

Absolutely. And the reason I'm also asking some of these questions too and doing a little bit more of a deeper dive with Jesse on who he is and how he sees his business and everything is because we have some exciting news. Jesse is the newest member of A Psychic Story. So he is coming on board. I almost said full-time. I wish it was full-time. But he's coming on in a part-time capacity to help me with the podcast in a variety of different ways. And he's going to be talking about how he's been able to get me on board.

And you reached out proactively and said, I'm feeling led to offer my help on some things. And it was right around the time, I'm not kidding, the same week where Scott, and we've already announced this,

And an earlier episode too, where Scott was saying, hey, I'm going to go on this trip to Egypt. I know when I get back, I'm going to be working on yet another book. And I still want to help on the podcast, but yet I'm taking a little bit of a step back because of all these other things, which don't worry, Scott's not going anywhere. But so it was just this divine synchronicity and timing because Jesse and I, you've become a friend.

And now you're going to be a colleague too. And I can't express my gratitude enough for you joining and coming on board. And I'm going to put you in the hot seat a little bit if you can share more high level what you kind of envision working on the podcast and getting to know the listeners and that sort of thing. Yeah. You know, like you said, I...

And strangely, or maybe not strangely, divinely, just felt like I need to reach out to Nicole and see if she needs help. It was just this weird, I don't know, I've never been in the podcast business before, but it was just a moment that I had. And so I'm so glad I did it. So I am really excited and ready to be able to be present to do whatever I can in terms of helping with the podcast, scheduling, helping you with any episodes that you need help with, just to be around to be a great support.

support physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually in any capacity that I can provide. Yeah. So he's not going to be a stranger on the show or on the podcast. And definitely in the beginning, at least helping a little bit more behind the scenes, we're figuring that out and what some of the transition is, but also that there's a lot of other exciting things that are happening with the podcast and other that I had announced again in an earlier episode with Scott too. So just congratulations, Jesse. Thanks for coming on board. And then before we break or

Go anywhere else. I'd love for you to actually share the official name of your company and business and how people can reach you. Yeah, my website is Keen Insight. My last name is Keen. So it's K-E-E-N-E Insight, I-N-S-I-G-H-T dot co, not com.com.

And I'm also keeninsight on Instagram. So two very simple, same name, easy ways to find me. Yes. And if you want to reach him too, you can use the main email address, contactatapsychicstory.com as well. In the meantime, if there's something in particular, and then if we decide to share a separate email address for him, we can, but those are going to be the best ways for him. If you want to reach out, get any more information about his services and so forth.

So Jesse, is there anything else that we didn't have a chance to get to and talk about that you wanted to share before we part? I think we did it. I'm just, again, I want to reiterate how thankful I am for you. I think it really was our connection, your podcast that helped me on my journey that has inspired me, kept me going with my own

journey as well as my studies and getting inspired to do coaching was all largely a part to the work I've done with you. So I just want to thank you for continuing to be a support for me. And I'm just so

glad and happy and excited to be able to return the favor, if I can at all, by helping out with the podcast. Oh, yeah. Well, you already are. And I will say, too, you have so many more fascinating stories that we didn't even have a chance to get to with you growing up as you've continued your journey. So that'll be fun to be sharing with all the listeners at another time and a future date. So again, thank you for everything. And congrats and welcoming you to the team. And thanks all for listening.

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