The Power Within: Exploring the Energy Bodies (with Courtney Orlando) Part 1
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Hi, psychic listeners. Our guest for this episode of A Psychic Story is a registered nurse, Reiki master, medical intuitive, and integrative health science specialist who developed an energy medicine modality called nodal point therapy. This is the story of Courtney Orlando. Welcome to A Psychic Story, Courtney. Thank you, Nicole, so much. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, and you came here through

Through Natalie. Yes. Who's been on a couple of times. You're good friends. Yes. Yes. She is one of my very best friends. I love that we're creating the sister community and everything. Okay. Well, we're going to go ahead and just hop right in. You said you battled most of your life with your psychic gifts. What was your first spiritual, supernatural, paranormal, or even psychic experience that, you know, got you into then battling it? Okay.

So it's interesting because ever since I was, I mean, as far back as I can remember, I could see things. And when I was little, you know, I grew up,

in a catholic family i'm irish italian sicilian up in new england okay like like that wasn't widely accepted and honestly when you're that little you don't know anyway but i was actually not having good experiences when i was little so when i was a little girl i used to get i would see things in my house i literally grew up in an actual haunted house

And I would see things and then I would sometimes like I would get a lot of night terrors and I felt afraid and like I was basically told over and over again I had a really wild imagination.

And, you know, it was kind of like, stop crying about it, be quiet type of thing. And my mom would do her best to try to comfort me, but I think it was more like, oh man, this is this kid. Because I was, I was a very creative, extremely intelligent child, very like advanced and intelligent. So I think they thought with that, oh man, she's got this wild imagination and that's what's happening. Yeah.

I did have a grandmother who could see things and she was the only one. It was my mom's mom and she would just be like, and I was very scared all the time. And then when I found out that she could, I would say, okay, but grandma, aren't you scared? And she'd be like, you don't need to be afraid if you know who you're protected by. And she's like, you just pray and you don't worry about it.

And like, I had a good, I had like, even when I was little and I don't, I think, I mean, I grew up in a faith-based home, but like, I just had that connection. Like it wasn't, I actually used to fight when I was in fourth grade.

to tell them that the nuns were wrong. I was not popular amongst the nuns. You know, I just met you, but I'm sure I could see that. Yeah, like it was, they were not happy with me because I'd be like, yeah, but what about this? You know, and cuter things were like, I would tell my mom, which is really funny because everything I told her when I was little all happened. And she's like, do you remember when you used to tell me that?

And like, we laugh about it now. And I was like, yeah, because you didn't believe me. Like, I was like, I'm here for this reason. And I'm going to do this, this and this. And these things are going to happen. And these are the places I'm going to live, mom. And I used to tell my mom, I used to say, you know, mom,

I have a really big purpose here. I said, I came to help the planet. I used to tell her that as a little girl, like before five years of age. And she'd be like, oh, really? And how do you think you're going to do that? She's being like a cute mom, just entertaining it and

I was like, well, I don't know. And I told her how many kids, I have seven kids. I told her how many, like I said, I'm going to have a lot of kids. I'm a lot of animals. I'm going to live on a farm. I have seven kids. I live on a farm. I have five dogs and two birds. So like, it, like, it took me a while to get over here. It wasn't always like that, but all that to be said, like, I was very,

I was still confident. Like, don't you tell me, you know, mom and or them and like, and I would get mad. I was real feisty when I was little. And but I think that growing up and then being scared, I just was like, maybe I'll shut it off. I don't want to see. And I remember at some point I made like a conscious decision because I would literally just be seeing like

literally like darker entities and different things that I would see. I mean, they never hurt me, but like I was creeped out. I was little. Yeah. That was my question was kind of how did they manifest or show up for you? Because when people say see, sometimes it is with your eyesight, your actual physical eyesight, and then often it can also be clairvoyantly. Totally. Okay. So when I was little, it was with my actual eyesight.

That would creep me out too. Yeah. Especially when you don't know what's going on. Exactly. And I was like, can you imagine like you're this little girl? I remember one of my most creepiest experiences was there was this really bad thunderstorm up in New England and all of our power went out and my mom was going to get to get like, we would have like these hurricane oil lamps.

And we went to Plymouth Rock that day for the pilgrims. And I had got like a little purple turtle candle and I was like, ooh, I want to get that. So I went upstairs and I ran up not thinking and I remember passing my brother's room and I froze.

And I literally couldn't catch my breath. I couldn't get my words. And there were these two really dark type entities. And it sounds like a movie, I swear to God. But they had these glowing eyes. And I suddenly was able to scream to my mom. And I was like, mom! And

Then, like, I think she heard, like, maybe she thought something was wrong or something. Like, so she came up and she's like, what's the matter? And I was like, there's two monsters in Peter's room. And she's like, let's go take a look. And of course, like, they're gone. And I'm like, they were there. And...

Remember, she walked back down. She said, just get it. And when I peeked back over, like, I don't know, it's like a bad horror movie when they're like, why is she looking? Why is she going up the stairs? Why just go out the front door? Right, right, right. Then I saw them again and I just, I scrammed down the stairs. And you know what's funny is my daughter, who is now 23, and one of my sons who's 26,

saw the same thing when they, and they never knew that story when they were little. Do you know what they are now? I do. I do know what they, I believe that they were shadow manifestations of some of the fragmented energy that was like, sometimes it'll take a form. And, um,

And that there were parts of that because there was like different trauma going around and there was different things in that house. So like, not say that's the only thing it can be, but in that instance, I can look back and go, oh my God, like, but what do you know when you're like a preschooler?

Well, and also when people are telling you that you have an active over-imagination or things, because that was going to be my other question too for you is with your grandma and did she see things and tell you or was she more...

letting you know it was okay. And then now looking back, you think she did. And then also with your kids, having the experience you did then probably helped you if they had other experiences themselves growing up. Yeah. So now, but if I fast forward, I'm going to give you the summarized version. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, I'm going to do a fast forward. So one, I realized like my grandmother was

It really was very organic when she shared. She was very matter of fact about it. Like she had had a child that passed right after being born, my uncle Peter. And she would be like, oh, there's Peter. And she was very calm about it. And I was like, at that point, like I was, I think when I was like maybe getting up to like six-ish is when I stopped seeing but could feel. And that was almost worse because then you didn't know where it was.

Yeah. So that's how, that's how it was for me for a kid feeling, but not seeing. Yeah. Which is really disconcerting because you're like, you don't know that you're feeling people's emotions. There's different dimensions, there's different spirits or energies. Like you don't realize that at the time you just know you're uneasy. And, um, and like,

At that time, so she's probably the only one in hindsight. And I do have to say, like, it's definitely like a hindsight type of conversation where I'm like, she would validate like, this is a thing. And it's not that big a deal. But my grandmother was strict Catholic. So she would have never thought about like utilizing it or gotten to any of the other type of things.

So all that to be said, as I got older, I went where I try to shut it off. I don't think you ever really shut it all the way off. And then when I was a teenager, you'll appreciate this. Remember I told you I was always like, the poor Catholic church put up with me a lot. I have more compassion for them these days. But back then when I learned that I had to make my confirmation and they said, you have a choice. I said, really?

I said, "Well, I need to tell them I'm a witch."

Were you? No, I literally, so at that time. Or you just wanted to go with them? No, no, at that time I was literally like finding books on Wicca and I felt like, oh, it was beautiful. I don't practice that now, but I'm not like against it. It's just something, part of my story. I didn't know if it was just one of those you were saying that to them versus. No, I really was being like dead serious. And so I said to them, and I said, well, this is what I am choosing to believe. And I said, I am not,

I believe in Jesus, I said. And I said, but I am an actual witch. This is all I could identify with. This is what I found in books. And for me at the time, that was it, right? It made the most sense. It made the most sense. And I remember somebody in my family going, well, you can't be both, you know. You have to choose. And I was so sad. I remember being like, what do you mean I have to choose?

Like, not because of the religion, but because like I really had this love for like Jesus and angels. And like, I was thinking like, oh, if I'm this, I can't be. But like, I got really mad about that. And I was like, well, whatever.

let's go talk to the priest. And I made my dad take me. This is the kind of kid I was. And how old were you at this time? Oh my God. Was I 13 or 14? I was in junior high. Okay. So right around, yeah. Cause was I in eighth grade? I think I must've been in like somewhere between eighth and ninth grade. And everybody was like,

Courtney, are you dumb? You're going to not get, you're not going to get confirmation. You're not going to have a party and get all your money. And all your gifts. And all your gifts. And I was like, I don't care about that. Like here I am at that age already like, I don't care. You're having an existential crisis at 13. Literally, literally. And

my poor parents and like I made my dad take me and then my mom found out later and she's always been like you can choose your own path but I think she was a little shaken by it so she was trying to hold her words like okay okay this is the time that you do technically get a choice and she was she was actually fairly supportive of me at that point like she got upset but then she had like a real conversation and then that was that fast forward again

into my 20s. Real quick, what did the priest say? You know, that priest was just like, it was Father Hines. And he was like this old little Irish priest. And he was just like, okay, if that's your decision, you do get to make it. Like he didn't give me, he asked me a few questions. I told him what I believed and what I followed. And he realized I wasn't just making it up.

I mean, after that, I also went to my principal at the school and told him I need these holidays off. Smart. Little negotiator. Just a little businesswoman and a little advocate at 13 and 14. So, and people were kind of like, listen, if you can back it and you show that you're actually knowledgeable, we'll approve it. And they did. So like, of course, I'm just like, yes, but no.

Fast forward one more time. I go through an experience of losing my very best friend, Maureen Craig, to cancer. And I don't want to cry on the show, but literally she was like my sister my whole life. And in that experience, she was having like, she went through a lot and she had a lot of big experiences. And her dad, who's still like my dad today, was like this really hardcore guy, like this motorcycle guy. And I saw him like come to Christ.

And like, I was like, wow. So at that point, through over a couple years, I actually get into ministry. I get into the born again church. And again, I'm not speaking against anything. This is just my experience. But once again, what happens? You better denounce all that, this other part of you.

Right. And so that dogmatic positioning comes in to be like, that doesn't align. So you can't be that. That's again, that's something evil. And it's crazy because I couldn't ever put it totally away. But like, you know, you don't stop it. But then I would switch the wording like, oh, I have the gift of prophecy or I have the gift of discernment. That's what it is.

And you realize you're just now in hindsight, you realize you're caught up in the dogmatic positioning and the boxing and that sometimes happens like there's a benefit to our spirituality and religion and there's a there's sometimes a detriment. Right. And that to me was hard because I don't feel like being intuitive is something that I do. I feel like it's literally ingrained in every cell.

So like, you know, sometimes we have things like trauma or unresolved stress and we identify them and because of our experiences. Those aren't who we are. Those are reactions or like neural pathways that happen. But there are certain aspects in our etheric cords of like, who are we?

And for me, that intuition and that just being a clear channel, and I look at it as being a channel for love, literally. Like, literally the love frequency, too, not just like love is a feeling, right? Because I do not believe in toxic positivity, but that's another conversation. That's another episode. That's a whole other episode. Yes. But, you know, like...

I go through that, fast forward again, that's when I get to the point where like I had many, many health things. I went through a dark night, so literally had, you know, two rapid responses where I left my body. So like near-death experiences. And one I fell out, like died, died, and then was on life support for almost a month. And I went through, when I came out of that, I still wasn't done. But then a couple years after that, that is the point where

where I was like, okay, there's no sense that I'm here or alive. It doesn't make any sense. I'm here. I'm sick of boxing myself in and I'm sick of boxing this all that is in. And for like two, almost two years,

I would, and this, you know, obviously with my background, I'm pretty heady. So like, I like to read. Okay. I like research. I like all that stuff. And I was like, I am going to limit my reading. I'm going, I'm not saying I'm never going to be on a religion again, or I'm not going to, I just want to actually get my relationship down.

with who is my higher power to me and what am I to that and what's my position here. And I'm not going to box it in or just be like, oh, figure it out. I'm just going to experience. I'm going to be in the embodiment. I love that. And I'm going to tell you something.

It was like all the lights just boom, boom, boom. It was like it just kept aligning everywhere. And I felt like, I mean, I literally changed timelines, that I know. But to be in the experience where it's not just some flighty idea like, oh, you shifted timelines.

When it happens, it's weird when you, not weird in a bad way, but that you can recognize it, that it's actually happening. And you do think people make it up until it's actually in front of you and you experience it. It's totally true. And it's like, I just...

I remember like, cause when I came out of that, when I tell you, I literally had nothing, like I had nothing. So there was also nothing to lose, which I know sounds like a horrible place to be, but I have to tell you, it was a gift. It was horrible to lose everything, but to be at that base point of like, all right, well, you know, it's like, I don't have anything to lose. I have everything to gain. So for me at that point, I think the, I think my,

higher power and my guides and my angels knew me so well that they were like, listen, if she's got anything left, she's going that way. This is a stubborn Aquarius we're dealing with. She's a very fixed sign all the way across. And so we're going to have to change a few things, including I swear to God, I know this sounds awful, but the brain injury helped me in the long run. So I was like during that car accident where I died. So I was like, I know that's like, oh my God, why

why is she talking? But it really, in some ways, like it wasn't easy initially, but it actually softened some of those like really rigid neural pathways that gave me plasticity I didn't otherwise have. And that's where also, oh my God, it was like my psychic gifts, Nicole, came flooding back, but like times a hundred. And I was just like,

okay, I asked for this, right? I said, I'm not boxing myself in. And I just was like having, I'll be honest with you, I wasn't attached to like, oh, now it means this, or I must do this, or these are my duties. It was more like, let me be in the joy of experiencing this congruence

with spirit and really enjoying being in my body for the first time in my life. Yeah, and I love the way that you're going about that too because I actually, I want to keep going down the path, but I was going to go back and then you brought us back here, which is, can you explain a little bit when we say, when you and I say, I allowed myself to be in this moment and figuring out my higher power or my higher self,

for two years, what did that actually look like? Because I know what it was for me. Yeah. But it's hard, I guess, for somebody who hasn't maybe done that to understand what are some of the steps. It's true. To that process. I think that that's a fabulous question because I always say that for one, when we're walking into our, like, let me say it like this, when we're accessing the part of ourselves that

that's in the intuitive realms, right? You're going and you're dipping into the non-linear. So one, it's not going to always make sense to the logical mind and you've got to get prepared for that. Two, it's really everybody always, well, I shouldn't say everybody. Let me speak for myself. In my experience, I find that a lot of people are like,

They think that intuition is about, oh, you know all this stuff. And I'm like, no, I don't. I'm going into the unknowing. I'm drop, in order for me to do it, and I still to this day, no matter how many times I see a client, no matter how many times I talk to my own guides for myself or anything or for my animals or anything, even if it's a family member, if I'm doing it intuitively, I'm not saying that we don't have a family that we...

that we end up in judgment and experience and sometimes blocks with. But what I'm saying is if I was even tapping into them energetically, I don't care what I know. I have to go fully blank screen and just let what comes in, comes in, even from one day to the next.

Because like, I like to tell people just to even put a little science so it makes sense to people even in the body, because our bodies have everything to do with our intuition. And I think that's what people try to spiritually bypass a lot. And you can still be intuitive and psychic without the body, but it's not, you're not going to be the clearest channel you can be. The more that we come into the body, this is our Merkaba, you know, this is our vehicle. And everything is actually inside, you know, these...

this vagus nerve is aligning with each and every chakra, if you ever look at the clusters of it, okay? The subconscious is in there. The subconscious connects us and also runs congruent with the nonlinear and the all that is and collect both individual and collective consciousness, right? So like, where do I get in my own way? What's like, these are really fancy terms that someone's still like, I don't know what she's saying. Listen, keep it simple.

You know what your judgments are. You know what your experience is. Just drop it out for a second and shift your awareness over and over and over. You don't have to... And the other thing is, oh, when that comes in, I'm going to know. You know...

Nicole, can I tell you something? Some of the weirdest stuff comes up. Like, oh, it could be like this. Oh, I know. I have to catch myself when people say, this may sound weird. And then I have to be like, cancel, cancel, cancel. It's never weird when you're connecting to source. So remove that. Exactly. And sometimes like our logic mind wants to like, trust me, I still will be like, listen,

This isn't on linear. Just try to keep that in mind. As we let it come out, it will tell its own story. So I feel like the energy teaches me. It's about listening, not just knowing, but listening. If someone says, listen, there's a lot of sensitive issues people come to me with, right? A lot. Hello, I'm a person. I have my own views on certain things. Doesn't matter.

It's not about me. When I, it's, I have to, and whatever comes through, and of course I'm going to set my energy boundaries. So I'm only aligning, you know, with the highest good, with the love, the love frequency, authenticity, and the highest ascension of humanity in the person, right? I will always set my boundaries that way and call in and put that up.

But like, I trust it, man. And I've done it now. But did I have to get out of my own way? Because it was like, I see blue and a road. And it feels like, and at first when you're saying it, no, trust me, I know now where it just flows and it'll all come in and come together. And it's going to be the weird, the thing that we think is the weirdest is usually the thing that's the most personal that you're not going to find on the internet about somebody that you're not going to,

You can't make it up. It's so... I say all the time, you can't make it up. Yeah, you can't make this stuff up. Right? And I said, you know, that's the game changer because once you help... And the other thing is we're getting out of our own way, but we're teaching our clients to get out of their way too. Right? Or where to... Like, it's not like you're the problem, get out of the way, but more like, let me say it like this.

shifting the awareness to dropping off so that you can, like if it presents as a barrier because it becomes incongruent and then gets you looped back in to something that's not serving you or feeling like you're blocked. You know, I feel like it goes like that. I mean,

I had a lot of help from actually like them drudging me through the worst of trauma, a dark night of the soul. And I don't want anybody else to have to go through that, but I don't believe that most people have to go through that. I think that. I agree. I think that we can, there are techniques that I know now where we down regulate stress and we improve our body mechanics and we clear our channel through different energy medicine modalities and so forth. And

That really helps us to get more in alignment. So I say you're getting incongruence with your three brains, but you're also getting incongruence with your spirit. Yeah, you say a lot of important things and there's a few different places I want to go with it. And one is that

What you say about becoming aware and getting out of your own way. For me, it was when I was going through one of my dark nights of the soul. I didn't even know at the time that's what it was called. I was having trouble with my identity of I'm this PR person. I'm a marketer. I'm a friend. I'm a sister. I'm this.

And when spirit kept saying, no, remove that. That's not who you are. No, remove that. So a lot of times I'll work with people and I'll say, hey, I can share with you what I'm getting about how I can feel about your energy or how you're showing up to me spiritually or in those energetic bodies, which is another thing I want to talk about. The emotional, the mental, the physical, the spiritual, the theory, all that. Yep.

But also I was like, what do you mean? And I would get so confused and they go, go back to the drawing board. And so I had to really take away those titles and come up with how do I feel in my heart and soul? And what then experiences do I want to have here in life? So if you're listening to this going...

But I don't know, then maybe that should be where you start. And then, and that's because that's what I was getting when you said that you spent those two years. And it doesn't mean that everybody has to spend two years necessarily. But what it does, if you're in that state of thinking about it, you're not even thinking, you start being. And then that's when the part, because my intuition, and this is what I say all the time, is it's like breathing. Yeah.

I don't, it's like you said, it's part of who you are. And if you don't get that, you kind of need to go through some steps to then get to what you're talking about with the awareness and getting out of your logic and everything else. That's right. And I love the way that you say that because-

It really is true. It's like the right brain, left brain kind of thing. And some of us just honestly have more, it's not their fault, they just have more rigid neural pathways.

It's also how we're programmed. Yeah. And then some people have really loose neural pathways and sometimes that makes it harder because that's where you kind of get a little bit where it's off of reality, but they're thinking that they're like channeling, but there's ways to work with all of it. Right. And yeah, I,

I think that looking at that exactly like that step, like what is, I think like exactly like where do you start? Well, what do you, you know, it's a good, as an NET practitioner, I get to ask people this question and I'll say, what do you want to be true that is not yet true? That's a really good one. So like sometimes people are trying to do something as simple as they come to me for integrative nutrition. I want to lose weight, right?

And they're doing all the things. They're actually doing a lot of the things, but there's something incongruent that's hijacked down in the system, right? Now, I know this now, but I didn't know that going through all that back then, right? I had no idea why I was having issues or I was looping back in with empty relationships or I was getting disconnected from love because at the end of it, that's what source is, right?

Like, and so it's like, what is my also, I would encourage people to consider what, can I drop off everything I think I know about love so that I can align with it? That's your homework. That's your homework. Or actually that's what I call it, homework. It's called your fun, the fun work, the stuff that's going to get you to really ultimately where you said you were going to be when you came here on earth, like you said, to, you

Help earth. Okay. So let's get into the energetic bodies or the different things because I do talk a lot about that too, or I think I tend to default to that language, but I haven't really talked about that in depth here. And then I'd love for you to go back to when you said your psychic abilities or your intuitive abilities turned on and we don't have to get into all the definitions of that, but how people maybe,

How maybe it might show up for them. Because when you said knowing, that's a whole other thing. And again, that's how often people think that psychic or intuitive abilities are. So let's go into the bodies first. Yeah. And how you see that layered and how you use that in your own work. Okay. So...

I look at it for me, for me, and I know everybody has different definitions and whatever, but just to simply break it down as this, right? We have our physical body, right? So that's going to entail your biochemistry, your cellular data, your DNA, your physical DNA for your phenotype from our parents. So, so, so forth and so on, right? Um, that's your organs, the way things connect in the actual body. This matters by the way. Um,

And then you have your etheric body. I like to call it the etheric body. And that I look at as the energy body of the soul itself, right? The seed of the soul. So within that etheric body, we have literally like, just like I call it, this is my word, I made it up. I call it cellular DNA instead of cellular DNA.

I call it spiritual DNA, but I like your word better. It's hard when there's a human word that doesn't exist that you're trying to translate. But it totally has the same concept. And it's like, okay, this concept that our souls...

carry these experiences like that we may or may not remember. Maybe we don't even have to remember, right? Do you think it's the Akashic Records or do you think that's something separate? That's been coming up in my mind a little bit. So I feel like that is a fantastic question that I think there's part of it because I feel like

part of those experiences are in. So if we went into the Akashic records, I feel like it's there, but it's also right here. And then they run down the body. Like they look, they really, I mean, I see them, so I know what they look like. Yeah. I wonder if, because, and this is again, sorry to kind of go on this tangent, but it's important is that

When I hear people tapping into the Akashic Records, my guides and angels are saying, it's not necessarily a library. And then they would show me a fingerprint. And then they were showing me like what you are or what you are, which you went to your heart. Yeah. And that it's something we take with us and we know inherently. So the fact that we don't have to go to somebody else to tap into our Akashic Records and no shade to anyone that does that because often it's helpful when we can. Sure.

It's ours and ours alone, and it's sacred. And it's, again, part of that spiritual DNA, or like you said, the soul's essence of that. And then the fun part of this, too, is that my guides angel said, think about it over time. Terms have changed. It used to be channeling. Now it's download. Well, think about how things were in records and libraries, and now it's on computers, and it's in the cloud. Yeah.

Our language and our definitions kind of shift. So that's why I asked the question. No, I think it's a great question. And...

Like, I always say like how you are. Okay, but it's always upgrading. Like our iOS systems really literally as humans and souls, like nobody thinks, let me tell you this, watch this, your phone. I'm going to keep it really simple because everybody knows cell phones now, right? Maybe we can pull this clip for social. Everybody knows cell phones. And nobody questions that this phone is not attached to anything. Right.

around it, but it's receiving what? Messages. It's picking up even when you say words, all of a sudden, if you're stuffing, you don't have the right firewalls up, it's picking that up or you're allowing it to because you want it to be more personalized. Right.

And how's it doing it? It's doing it through frequency. It's doing it through, what is it? It's a body of water with electricity through it, right? And a crystal. And crystals. And let me tell you something. What are we? We are the internet. We are mostly water with an electricity going through us.

And believe it or not, in what they found recently in some of our tissues, we actually have crystalline structures. And what they're finding that is in the tissues in the system, that's what's actually helping to pass the data. And so and that's also why and how when we're like you and I are together.

We're going to spark things from where? Okay, we're talking, but really our bodies are talking. You and I are passing frequencies. Our souls are also talking. You're blowing my mind here. Right? I know, right? And it's...

I love it because we're so multidimensional. So I said, I'll tell people, we all want to go, I know. And I want to say, no, you don't. Even the brain, even though, okay, you want to bring it down to physical? Two thirds of the human brain. So you've got your reptilian, your mammalian and your neocortex, the thinking mind. The other two are your unconscious and your subconscious. That means two thirds of you running

is not in your, like subconscious is gonna peek through in your habits and different things you're attracting. But other than that, it's automatic. So like, that's not a problem. I think our culture says it's a problem. But it's actually built so that we can be in the moment. We are built for presence.

We're actually, we're built for presence. We're built to thrive. We're actually built for wellness. Do things happen just like a computer, right? We go into the wrong thing. It gets hijacked. There's a virus. It starts making the phone run wrong. That's what happens to us in that systems when it thinks it's part of its aliveness and now it's jacked up, which is really why it's important to also do your inner work.

and to be a clear channel. So like you talked about that a little bit. Like I always, I have this joke and it's a little bit off topic, but I swear to God, it's true, Nicole.

I said, you know, the guides and the angels, my higher power, they Mr. Miyagi'd me. I don't know if I should call them bastards out loud. I love them. It's said with love. It's a love relationship. It's a little bit of, yeah. It's a little bit of sass. But I was like, oh my gosh. You know, because I would have never allowed...

uh, my medicine and my healthcare to be like, let me put that with my psychic abilities. I would be like, I'm not going to kill anybody. Are you crazy? You know, and all these different aspects that played into even my own development. But it's... You mean with your death and everything? Well, yeah, all of it, all of it. Like it's,

you just get to a point and I think that you said it right because even we'll do that people will do that like I want to know what my past life is oh that's who I am no that's just another experience you had as a human if you're trailing to that so like where I think that you hit I think you hit the nail on the head when you're like we are like seeking an identity but

But where that seeking comes is from a programming that's underlying in the subconscious and that's saying you're not who you are as if you're okay to be who you are. Like there's a phrase from Jon Kabat-Zinn, I hope I don't mess it up, but I'm going to get the concept across. He is the founder of MBSR.

It's mindfulness-based stress reduction meditation. And I love him. And the saying goes something like, if you are breathing, there is more right than wrong with you, no matter how hopeless you may feel. And it's kind of like, oh my gosh, can I invite myself? And I think that was part of me getting out of my own way too. Like,

everything's like, what's wrong and why I'm not? And I'm re-messaging that. So I'm recreating that experience. And if I shift my awareness to like, not that there's nothing that needs attention there, but that by my very vibration of beingness,

There's more right than wrong. Yeah. And I would even argue it's not even right or wrong necessarily because what I'm hearing you say, both in your words and what my guides and angels are saying is, I promise guys, we will get back to the other energy bodies. The bodies. No, no, no. Oh yeah, the energy bodies. Yeah, the energy bodies in a second. But we as human beings are

want to be in the past or the future because we're always deciding or questioning, not always, often, questioning where were we and where are we going? And there's power in being present. And when you're present, that's when you quote unquote know, you feel, you do. And what you were talking about with the brain is

I think that's why we struggle so much because we're getting pulled in all these different directions in addition to the identity piece. Yes. But it's all about going, I hate to sound like fortune cookie or woo woo, but going within yourself.

And tuning into yourself. Literally, it's all there. It's just about like, hey, I'm accessing this right now. And you're absolutely right. Like helping to train the brain to be present on purpose. And I think that you do point out like, is it about like being right or wrong or just simply being? Because I...

I know we're jumping around, but I do that within energy harmonics where that's the point. Like it's not, oh, fear is a low vibration and love's a high one. It's what's your relationship with both. I got with the point what you were saying, but I want to make sure too that people, but there's a power in what you said, the way that that concept is. But we train ourselves. Is this right? Is this wrong? Is this the right direction? The wrong direction? Really the point is to be present. Yeah. Just take it in moment by moment.

You know, and it's like, so if it's I'm holding on and I really can't let go, feel what that feels like to not let go. You'll let go faster when you do that. That's the oxymoron of it, right? That's the healing than the transmutation, I guess. That's the transmutation. Like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, I can't feel this. Just get present with the fear.

And like, just be with it in a new way. See what it, like you judging the fear and that's your experience. So you keep recreating it. And I think that that speaks to actually it routes us back in a roundabout way to the energy bodies. Circles us back to the energy bodies. So we talked about physical, we talked about ethereal. Right. So the etheric, your cellular data. And I think that you, just to drive home that point of

Like even when you're talking about, like you were saying, is that the cash kick records? Like different points, we're working on different aspects and we're also expanding in our consciousness or at least it's offered to us, right? Yes, yes.

I always tell people, you know, you're not going to get punished if you don't follow your purpose. It's ideal. Everything's going to be thrown in your way to do it, but you don't actually have to. And you'll, you'll, you'll deal with that after, like not in a bad way, but more like a processing way. Right. And, um, but in that etheric body, I think of that, like getting down to, oh, this is the DNA of like my literal vibration, not just I am over-identified with

I was that, that, and that, and then what I think those things mean, because I think we can get really tripped up. I mean, it's cool to know. Sometimes it comes up, but sometimes you're also working on pattern lines within that etheric body. So it's very important to how we tend to it, because literally it's the one part of us

energy, even by scientific law, okay, you want to get outside of the realms of dogmatic positioning and science, I mean, excuse me, and religion, energies can be created or destroyed, okay? And this is the one part of our energy that is going to keep moving and being and existing, right? You know, wherever you believe or whatever, I'm not here to argue with beliefs, but like

The point is there's some absolutes and there's some non-absolutes. And the absolute is your etheric body's moving on, baby. And it has had a lot of experiences and it doesn't always want to, it knows timing. So it knows when you're here or your guides do and your angels do of like, it's not that that was wrong. Like you said, it was more like, I mean, it felt it and we can hold that. I don't, I don't, I don't, um,

I don't lean towards the, oh, now that you know the purpose, it's all easy now. Sorry for my baby voice. But like, people the way, like, it's like, no, that was hard and it really sucked. And I am so sorry.

that you had to go through that. And I can look at it from the soul perspective and I can look at what did it do to the body and how can we help this body to down regulate maybe some of the tissue damage that could have happened or different things and we reroute that, right?

And then when you move on to how does that affect our mental body? That's another energy body. So our mental body is the thinking body, the thought body. Some of that underlying program of how we think what we think and what we perceive it to be, right? So what's the intersection then between the brain and the physical, because you said the conscious, and then the mental and the thinking? Or is that the bridge? Yeah.

It's a good question. So all your thinking mind is going to be in your neocortex up here in the front. So that's your thinking. That's all that's going to rule the thinking. Because remember, these are all energy bodies working together. Your logic? Mm-hmm. Okay. So your logic and all of the thinking mind and mathematics, right?

certain type of languaging. So there's certain language that's broken up across the brains, but that would be like your intentional language, okay? That would be up there. There's a lot of different areas that that rules, but it's your conscious mind, right? And then

So that's going to be in the thoughts. When you get into the mammalian brain, all right, and that's your subconscious brain, that's running through the entire body, literally. Okay. And, and the brain as well. So there's a big connect there. It's called your vagus nerve is called your gut brain access. And then you have some other things that connect in. But when you're in there, that's your, that is congruent with your nonlinear and your picture feeling. Okay.

It's also congruent with your hormones, your sexuality, your identification and your tendencies towards certain religions. Okay?

So that's where you're going to go. That's going to be congruent in that area. And then your reptilian brain is the brain that's, you know, that's kind of more like your basic instinct. So like the things that you need hardwired DNA that nothing's going to mess up. Your human instinct. Your human instinct. So that's your, believe it or not, your hunger is actually part of that, which can be

correlate with the hormones and the way that those two brains talk and so forth and so on. So like here's where it gets important and here's where it comes in to kind of some of the work I do is these two sections, like the reptilian brain and your mammalian brain, their job is not to be like, well,

I wonder if that he's bad because he had hurt feelings and now he's taking it out on me. That is not its job. Okay. That's, you're going to put that up to the thinking brain and doing all that kind of stuff. Its job is to keep you alive. That's its job. Its job is to keep you present, is to keep you alive, is to bring you back into homeostasis, right? It's, it's

It's a lot of like your automatic things. Like think about how many things are happening in your body right now. Your hormones are going, your heart's beating, you're taking an air. Are you thinking about any of that? No. No. Okay. So that's all right. Not why I just did for a second because you brought it up. You're like, wait. Wait, am I? Yeah, no. But okay.

But here's the signaling system. So let's say we're talking about hunger or the different hormonal releases. If I am spiritually hungry, not the subconscious or the unconscious brain to decide why, it just knows I'm hungry. So you're going to get a hunger signal and people are going to go, man, I feel like I'm always hungry. Or

I am actually have a really poor appetite, Courtney. Do you really? I'm going to look at you through the lens of connectedness through all your energy bodies and what's going on in your human experience and also what's happened in your past for trauma or potential unresolved stressors that could be hijacking that system, right? So now what if I'm overwhelmed or I'm literally backed up with emotion? I cannot process this.

it correlates right into your digestive tract, which is super sensitive to that area. And the way that we literally eat our emotions, the literally way that we reject, right? That happens also on a physical body. So sometimes what happens is sometimes it's sanctioned and they haven't crossed or they haven't manifested into the different energy bodies.

But sometimes like you really are doing everything that you can on the physical body. I had a case today that that was the case. This person was really doing everything that they could. And every time that they would address it, a new physical issue would pop up or there would be no sustainability.

there was an incongruence in her etheric body and also across some of the other emotional body and some of those areas where they just weren't running in alignment. And there was like, it literally kind of creates like a leak. And so it was looping back in. So she was starting to identify herself as a failure, feeling hopeless. Other times you're doing all the spiritual stuff or you're doing all the mental work

but you've not tended to your physical body and you're still eating like crap and wondering why your body's signaling something's wrong. You're not getting good sleep or whatever. You're not getting good sleep. You're not downregulating harm reduction. Whatever it is, when you look at that lifestyle medicine and those six pillars, it really aligns with the care of your energy bodies. And here's the thing too, I like to say there's one that almost everybody forgets.

We have a relational energy body. So do I, like I'm me and when I'm by myself, I get a certain sense for self. But now I go to relate and I have some pretty, if I pay attention close enough,

I'm going to have certain patterns show up with who I attract, with what happens in my life, with how I relate to my career, myself, others, my intimacy, my relationship with my sexual body, right? And that falls into the relational aspect of things. And so I frequently feel that energy body is missed. And it's important. Never thought about it that way. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially when people come and say, why am I attracting the same person or this? Is it karmic or what patterns do I need to break or do I have any blockages? And that's a different way of looking at it. And so we have the physical, the etheric, the mental and the emotional and the relational. And when I was getting, it's all woven together, kind of like the DNA helix and all interconnected with tissue. Literally.

But I guess I'm still trying to figure out the mental part a little bit. So because I also look at it as truly energy bodies. Like I get the physical. And I think we all can relate to feeling an emotion and having a thought. And then the harder concept is what is that spiritual or that etheric or ethereal body. But that's kind of the connective tissue. Maybe, I don't know.

So are you wondering like what part, the mental and the emotional, like where's the... The mental, like it, to me, it's almost as if the mental body intersects a little bit more than we never, we didn't really think.

And maybe that's also drawn to our intuition. That's kind of where I'm getting at. I guess I didn't say it as clearly. I think that that is a great... No, you're actually hitting on it intuitively about the thinking body. So the mental body. So here's what can happen. Okay. I mean, the mental body can be powerful, but when we engage it into congruence, like there's this really popular stuff that I feel like personally gets...

misinterpreted by the collective. And like, it actually stems from a really great doctor, Joe Dispenza, who I think is great, but I feel like people- Would love to have him on. Right? But I feel- If anyone has an in, let me know. He might have a different opinion. Him and I have a similar background, but like, I feel like it gets a little bit misinterpreted because it is true. Everyone's like, oh, change your thinking, change your life. And I have to tell you, I go, whoa.

Hold on a minute. So that's where it comes into what's my relationship. So here comes your relational body again. That's what I'm struggling with. So it's the relationship. So now if I go into that relational component, right, of...

hold on, what's my mindset? Mindset is slightly different. It runs in the mental body, but it's a little bit different than just the thoughts. Because if you've ever taken, if anybody's ever meditated, I don't care if it's MBSR or not, what you find is the minute you go into meditating for any good note, try it for two minutes, just silent the mind. What's going to happen is it's going to be like, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

You are not your thoughts, okay? You're not your thoughts. Which is really controversial when I said that one time. People got really mad at me. Well, listen, it's our relationship with our thoughts. So what happens, but this is actually a fact. This is a scientific fact. We're also not our beliefs. We're also not our thoughts. It's true, right? That may be what we are at the time, but that can shift. It's that impermanence, right? I want to say like it helps our experience, right?

Like we're experiencing it as that, right? So it's like, it's making up like the core of our reality, if you will, right? And to that note, whether it's a perceived reality or an actual reality, even if your body, if your physical body is saying, your thoughts and your emotions are perceiving or experiencing it, that's the way the body's storing it.

Okay? So that's important for one, which then people can go, but this is true, see? Because what you talked about was why am I attracting this? And I mean, I can speak to it both on a spiritual note, but also...

from a health science specialist note is what happens is, you know, that vagal nerve and the other 12 cranial nerves that are going off through the system and they're all speaking to each other and then our energy body, right? So like, you know, guys don't make this hard. Basic science taught us that a molecule, right? You've got electrons and neutrons and you've got that outer ring and it has a positive and negative charge. What do you think you're made of?

I think I flunked science, but I'm tracking with you now. No, you're tracking with me now? You're like, wait a second. I think it's making sense now. I get an A++. That's right. We have, they've been able to quantify that now with their new testing and stuff. Yeah, we knew it before, but I think it's also beautiful when they can quantify that. We do actually have a biofield now.

and a quantum field. And there is something called quantum entanglement. That's a whole nother thing. But, you know, these things and the way consciousness works through us and so forth and so on. But here's the thing. Again, where do we ground it down?

And the grounding down is like you're in an experience. That is the purpose. You're here to be human. And when your life is filled with certain things, what happens is that can get programmed in the physical body because the physical body is dense. It's supposed to be. It keeps us on the planet, right? But the downfall of that density is when a pathway gets imprinted, say it's something like

I mean, honestly, I'll tell you something about imprints and unresolved stress. People think, oh, it's definitely that. A lot of times your trauma has a root to the trauma and it could be moment of conception or it could be something that came in through what's called an informational substance through your DNA.

And what happens is that's tracking on your subconscious system, on the system. And this is the system that it's a repetition compulsion theory originated by Freud, but in later medicine and mind-body medicine and integrative science, we were able to substantiate that actually when we hold those charges, it tends, we also attract from higher realms. So don't think you're stuck

But you tend to attract that in because it got hijacked as part of your aliveness. That's where the kind of, you know, and when you start to recognize it and it's your time to change it, you will be led to modalities like NET, MBSR, hopefully nodal point, which we'll talk about in a little bit, or breath work or different things that help. And it's like wherever you are,

It's coming to you. And the more and more we get in alignment with our heart space and our etheric body, and we're just like literally opening that space up to shine. How am I going to open it up? Just literally, we can bring that light in, that source energy, and just practice expanding that. It knows what to do.

It's kind of like a record skip. Literally. It knows. I was seeing in my mind. Yeah. When you have that. Okay. Like, does that help? So the thing when you come across the thoughts, you can have an emotion that then stirs a thought or you can have a thought that then stirs an emotion. But here's the deal.

What's your relationship with it? So when we start to learn, like, I don't mean to say it like that. That's not what I mean. What's your relationship with it? But I mean, like, like, okay, those are my thoughts. And my, my mind's actually just doing its job. It's just shooting out all sorts of things. Some of them mean something, some don't. And if for a couple of minutes a day, I could just get into that and that mindfulness-based stress reduction. And I, I learned some of those techniques and

I can get into an observatory state and be like, oh, okay, for a minute, I'm going to shift my awareness. And just, those are my thoughts. And maybe they're important and maybe they're not. The conscious mind tends to choose, like, that's important and that's not. And we can, because of that, we tend to miss out on really important information and

Because we're like, that's the thing. That's the thing. I see. And so if you can just for practice that the thoughts can just run. They're not, you don't have to be like, shut up. I'm not a good meditator. It's actually like, can you just observe your thoughts? And then could you invite yourself to shift into how you're, how does it feel? What's the temperature on your skin? And you start to shift your awareness and,

And even in five minutes of doing that, there's a MBSR meditation called like expanding awareness. And it's very helpful for this practice. And it really helps to train the brain to kind of practice detachment, but not like I don't feel, not detachment. Like, yep, now I don't feel. That's unhealthy detachment. It's more like impermanence. Like, okay, right here, right now, I'm okay.

and I'm just going to observe it. And I'm going to look at like, how does that feel in my body? If it's really uncomfortable, I can offer it the breath. Because the breath is regulating itself. It'll shift you into what's called parasympathetic and sympathetic. And sympathetic is like, and you want to take the breath that instigates the parasympathetic because it'll shift into relaxed release. And that moment, that pause, it will give you so much, doing it again and again on repeat will

will help you so much.

And it will help you to kind of get out of like, oh, I had that thought. And now that's an important thought. So now I have to chase that. Now I have this emotion. And when I feel like this and I have this, this is what happens next. And now we're replaying that scenario again and again. Yeah, my guides and angels taught me when I was little, which was Michael, Archangel Michael. Oh, I love him. That, I know, he's my favorite. Is that, I still blush when I think of him because it's like, well, I'm a little kid. But is that...

When my thoughts were coming in my head, because a lot of that would happen when I was going to sleep, psychic information was coming in, intuitive information. And my brain wouldn't turn off or the mental, the thoughts. It sounds like I'm mental, but I wasn't. It was more psychic information looking back now. And so Archangel Michael said, think of all of this information coming in like a chalkboard.

And as it's coming in, it's being erased. It's being erased. Sometimes it was visual, sometimes it was thoughts, sometimes it was emotions, but it was erased, erased, erased, erased. And within the five minutes, not even 10 minutes, my mind would be blank. And then when I would feel an emotion, they would say, okay, feel the emotion, do the breath in and the breath out.

and then experience the emotion that you want to have. Yeah. So that was the simplest terms that they would, or they taught me rather when I was younger, reminded me when I got older what that would look like. I love that Archangel Michael was like, I'm going to teach you MBSR and you won't know that it's that. Is that what it is? Okay, because as you were talking through, I was like, this is just fantastic.

this is not scary, but in a cool, like I said, weird way, I can't make this up, what I was being taught when I was young. They were literally teaching you how to kind of like detach from the thoughts and then also become that channel, but also just to get into your body and get into the experience of the emotion and let it flow. Like that's the point when we train. And like, I love that you say that because

you know what, sometimes somebody's not going to have access to that. And they're like, oh no, you are not separated from your guides. You're not separated from your higher power. So sometimes we feel that way. I want to honor that. Please, I want to honor that. However, the reality is it's not. And I love hearing that you say that because I think that can like give like a bridge of hope to that like,

Yeah, just kind of like how we channel other modalities. Like MPT was definitely a channeled modality. I promise you that. That...

Like I think Einstein's ideas were channeled. I think Einstein was a channel. I really do. Which is actually a good segue into, I guess, part two. Okay. Which we'll get to, which is intuition because I want to get to that. Sorry, guys. You're going to have to listen to the second episode for this. But before we break on this one,

Can you share with people, Courtney, how to reach you? What's the best way to get in contact with you? So the best way to reach me, to be honest, is one of three ways. You can go to the website, which is www.

W dot nodal point energyworks.com. Texting my business line, not calling. I get spam all day long and I'm also in session. But if you text my business line, I will get back to you within 24 to 48 hours. I'm really great about it. So that would be 267-209-0111. And I did not choose those numbers, by the way. Those were given to me.

Nice. Right? And, you know, um,

That or my email would be Courtney, which you can also find on the website. So you would find Courtney at nodalpointenergyworks.com. I think that that's really like the best way. We do have social media. I try to go on my social media. It's so time consuming. It's so time consuming. I'd rather be with people in real time. I have made that, like I do have a Facebook nodal point energy works page and I do a

have a IG account, but there's stuff on there. You'll find it. And we'll include all of this in the show notes. And then for part two, I want to talk more about the intuition because we were talking about the interconnectedness between the energy bodies and then nodal point therapy. And that can be part two. Does that sound good? Yeah, sure. Awesome.

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