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E116|一本当代东方寓言:与ZaZaZsu谈新专辑《第一千夜》

2025/2/12
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马懿: 我在新专辑《第一千夜》中尝试用音乐的形式表达一本当代东方寓言。专辑中的每首歌都对耳熟能详的道理或故事进行了新的演绎,如同《一千零一夜》的倒数第二天。创作过程中,我并没有刻意追求押韵,而是更注重语感和表达的自然流畅。歌曲《我比风年轻》的灵感来源于一次散步,表达了对年龄焦虑的思考和对未来的可能性。专辑整体风格轻松愉悦,但创作过程中思考的东西比较多,有时会忽略一些最直接的感受。在与程锦远的合作中,我充分信任他的音乐才华,创作过程中我们很少有分歧。专辑中关于时间的思考是巧合,因为专辑想要探讨的是个体与世界的关系,而时间和空间构成了世界。歌曲《痴人说梦》是对成语的重新解读,表达了对赤子之心的赞美;《三分钟的快乐》表达了对三分钟热度的正面解读,认为它是获得灵感的途径;《雨后的哲学家》是对“未雨绸缪”的质疑和反思,哲学家指代的是我自己。专辑中歌曲标题的灵感来源于对古老谚语和老话的重新解构,歌词比平均市面上的流行歌歌词要长,每一场演出都需要即兴发挥。专辑的第一首和最后一首歌曲分别隐喻了父子和母女的关系。 程锦远: 专辑的歌曲顺序是从“第一千夜”的晚上七点开始,陪伴听众度过最后一个晚上,最终揭晓当代东方寓言的结局。专辑中两首纯音乐以时间命名,分别作为专辑的前奏和结局的预兆。专辑的曲目顺序考虑了专辑想要表达的故事,以及编曲风格和听者的感受,遵循了一个故事的脉络,从向外互动到向内观。这张专辑约70%的歌曲是先作词后作曲,也有先作曲后填词的情况。作曲时,灵感来时就写,灵感不来时就停,有时创作周期会很长。Deadline对音乐创作很重要,它能避免无限期修改。现在音乐的收入来源主要来自演出和版税,音乐人需要仔细阅读流媒体平台的合同,以确保版税结算。我们坚持自己创作,因为成本最低。大部分流行歌手不参与创作,而是由制作人和A&R总监负责歌曲的选择和制作。对爵士乐的欣赏是在长时间的熏陶下逐渐产生的。我们并非爵士组合,而是复古流行组合,专辑中的《雨后的哲学家》有意向流行风格靠拢。专辑中关于人和世界的关系的思考是在专辑简介创作时才总结出来的。我们目前正在休息,下一张专辑的创作可能在今年年底开始。专辑要有整体概念,单曲随时可以写。 supporting_evidences 马懿: 'Each song in the album gives a new interpretation to well-known principles or stories, like the second to last day in One Thousand and One Nights.' 马懿: 'In the creative process, I didn't deliberately pursue rhyme, but focused more on the natural flow of expression.' 马懿: 'The inspiration for the song “I’m Younger Than the Wind” came from a walk, expressing thoughts on age anxiety and possibilities for the future.' 马懿: 'The overall style of the album is light and pleasant, but there are many things to think about in the creative process, sometimes ignoring the most direct feelings.' 马懿: 'In my collaboration with Cheng Jinyuan, I fully trust his musical talent, and we rarely have disagreements in the creative process.' 马懿: 'The thoughts about time in the album are coincidental, because the album wants to explore the relationship between the individual and the world, and time and space constitute the world.' 马懿: 'The song “The Fool’s Dream” is a reinterpretation of the idiom, expressing admiration for the innocent heart; “Three Minutes of Happiness” expresses a positive interpretation of “three minutes of enthusiasm,” considering it a way to gain inspiration; “The Post-Rain Philosopher” questions and reflects on “being prepared for the rainy day,” with the philosopher referring to myself.' 马懿: 'The inspiration for the song titles in the album comes from the reconstruction of old proverbs and sayings, the lyrics are longer than the average pop song lyrics, and improvisation is needed in every performance.' 马懿: 'The first and last songs in the album metaphorically represent the relationship between father and son and mother and daughter, respectively.' 程锦远: 'The order of songs in the album starts from 7 pm on the “Thousandth Night,” accompanying listeners through the last night and finally revealing the ending of the contemporary Eastern allegory.' 程锦远: 'The two instrumental pieces in the album are named after time, serving as the prelude and a foreshadowing of the ending.' 程锦远: 'The order of songs in the album considers the story the album wants to express, as well as the arrangement style and the listener’s feelings, following a story line from outward interaction to inward reflection.' 程锦远: 'About 70% of the songs in this album were written first, then composed, while some were composed first, then written.' 程锦远: 'When composing, I write when inspiration comes, and stop when it doesn’t. Sometimes the creative cycle can be very long.' 程锦远: 'Deadlines are important for music creation, preventing endless revisions.' 程锦远: 'Now, the main sources of income for music come from performances and royalties. Musicians need to carefully read the contracts of streaming platforms to ensure royalty settlements.' 程锦远: 'We insist on creating our own music because it’s the most cost-effective.' 程锦远: 'Most pop singers don’t participate in creation, but rely on producers and A&R directors for song selection and production.' 程锦远: 'Appreciation for jazz music comes gradually after long-term exposure.' 程锦远: 'We are not a jazz band, but a retro pop band. “The Post-Rain Philosopher” in the album is intentionally closer to the pop style.' 程锦远: 'The thoughts about the relationship between man and the world in the album were summarized only when writing the album introduction.' 程锦远: 'We are currently resting, and the creation of the next album may begin at the end of this year.' 程锦远: 'The album needs an overall concept, while singles can be written at any time.'

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Introduction ZaZaZsu于2024年12月发行了新专辑《第一千夜》。ZaZaZsu是复古流行音乐组合,曾经在学生时代获得北京大学十佳歌手大赛冠军。 作为听众,能够与创作者本人交流,是一种难得的机遇。Gareth不仅对专辑本身怀有许多问题,更对普遍意义上的音乐创作感到好奇:一首歌通常先有词还是先有曲?歌词一定要押韵吗?在不依赖实体专辑销售的时代,歌手以何谋生? 诚邀大家一起欣赏《第一千夜》,从音乐中体会东方寓言的魅力。 Speaker ZaZaZsu(马懿、程锦远):复古流行组合 ZaZaZsu于2024年12月发行了新专辑《第一千夜》。ZaZaZsu是起源于北大的复古流行原创乐队,音乐风格灵动而浓郁,真挚温暖。乐队的名字 ZaZaZsu(读作:咂咂苏) 读起来唇齿振动,像一句拟声词——这是心动后,听见自己的声音。乐队成员在学生时代获得北京大学十佳歌手大赛冠军。 Highlights 00:51 从专辑名字说起:《第一千夜》想表达什么 05:37 专辑中的歌曲顺序如何排定 07:15 现有词还是先有曲 10:50 歌词一定要押韵吗 13:52 怎样想到《我比风年轻》这个题目 17:56 这张专辑的底色是轻松愉快的吗 22:57 没有实体专辑的时代,歌手如何赚钱 25:38 歌手VS唱作人 30:10 关于《雨后的哲学家》 35:32 几首歌的名字当中的梗 40:04 歌词这么短,如何讲故事 Reference ZaZaZsu《第一千夜》 BGM ZaZaZsu《第一千夜》 ZaZaZsu《百年长河不过是你和我在经历着的一刻》 Editor  剪辑:尹佳 出品:巨有文化