MBW 950: Whacking on the Soccer Wall - App Store Awards, visionOS 2.2, Apple Music Replay
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It's diver mac break weekly. Andy, alex and jay con are all here, and we've got lots of fun things to talk about. Will take a look at the forty five best apps and games for the APP store awards, review a few of them. I'll tell you the day that i'm going to die, thanks to my favorite APP. We also have a game that all of us played thirty years ago that's back now for your ipad, then a whole lot more coming up next .

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great weekly podcasts you love from people you trust. This is IT. This is mac break weekly, episode nine hundred fifty, recorded tuesday, december third, twenty twenty four, waking on the soccer wall.

Its time for mac break weekly. The show we get together to talk about apple snooze, with the apple snooze team joining us right now and the an oco from the library. Hi Andrew.

hello, I I got a question that is a like week so maybe later I can discusses a panel when you're hanging a reef on the front door, are you a at the top family or a bow at the bottom family? Oh.

that's a really interesting because .

I always put me at the top. And as I was adJusting IT, i'm like, why do IT seems like this is a democrat? This is a thing that, like google and facebook ads, they are they will figure out which one you are and make our at target my decisions based on IT. Because there is something that tells us about you on where if you put if you have a holiday read where you put the bow, we want to discuss side both people because those need to decide magazine.

Honestly, I think it's pretty clue clear that, uh, you should put the boat the top. Now patri della hand, he says, put the boat at the bottom. But we're going to get into that greater detail. Yes, that's likely going to be like the clip that all the social and all that the boat, because that's what people care about, uh, alex ling is also hear from office hours. Not global, is deeper issues to think about .

H D R H L G versus P, Q.

This is what we there matters.

Religious issues very quickly, like H G agg curve just isn't as good as the pq curve.

So you know, sometimes I wish I lived in alex, his head, just to understand some of the things that he says. Also, from six colors to come, mr. Jason snow is having to be part of the apple news team.

a big storm coming in, but then it's gonna clearing up. I'll be back later with the .

apple weather and now with the traffic report kept in leo in the sky. No, we're not going to do that to you today because you tuned in a podcasts a you didn't have to listen to radio. I'm sad to say the many of the staff at the radio station is to work for caffy. Almost Angeles have been laid off as radio continues its death spiral.

Terrestrial radio has been replaced to buy extra terrestrial idea.

Well, and I have to say, unless you're joe rogan or call her daddy podcast to all that, well, either there is there is A A chill in the air with advertisers. I think they're very nervous. I I don't know if it's us is IT us Jason's know you sell advertising because I don't .

sell advertising people who do that for me because I don't want to do because .

I never wanted to do IT so they don't tell you .

how jo it's like it's is my big pocket uh over really is doing okay but even even there you know you can feel IT and it's it's it's a tougher or sleep than the husband when I say.

oi, guests are struggling. People go no, they're bigger than Better than ever. It's if you're celebrity or you have one of .

the big yeah you get smartness you're doing okay, right?

If you enjoy talking about murder in the misery of other families at left grind.

if you talk to about apple little time.

I think that the one of the things you see when you start to see this kind of ratification of that process, I think this is one of, I think that twitter did early on that was kind of, I think, a lot of a lost interest in twitter. I would didn't have the same way for twitter when they just started really dumping to, you know, really making sure that the that celebrities are joined twitter did really, really well. And so you know, there was a point where letting leo you number one or two on twitter, when we, when we were getting started, the old days, I was number, I was number ninety, ninety.

And one point I was the nine know like I 那个 my taking this Green capture that like I and and then you know then they started um basically really pander to uh all the celebrities that came in and everyone else is kind dropped away and you kind of felt like I was like this cool little club and then they just hung out with popular kids and drop us all all into the deep and and I think that that is in some cases this this kind of um and I personally think this spottin I did a lot of the work on this is to really jam up there is a couple of things is modified that I think number one is to really press down on the on the really popular wasn't throw a lots of money at IT。 But also the specificity of the data you know didn't take into account some of the of the effectively that you can't measure in podcasts, you know that there and they want to know every minute that you listen to IT every little bit. And I get that that that's important data about what happens is that you can't really have A C P M that that properly represents that level of specificity.

So one got really accurate. The other one's not. I think that this match has been pretty damaging.

Yeah, well, anyway, we're gonna solter on, thanks to our club members who help us keep the lights on. And as long as people want to hear about technology news, I hope we can find that a little place, a little small place in your heart, right next to a mom and apple pie. Apple has announced, revealed and shown the forty five APP and game finance for the big APP store awards actually happened right after the show last week.

So I missed IT, but we will do IT now because it's it's a good time filer. It's gonna right right through the first hour of the show. Here are the final list in the APP of the year .

I dam and announced they thought .

that winners yet announced what was the podcast .

the year ho history a wondering .

podcast .

about a very serious .

illness and that .

spread among a group of high school girls.

Yes, see that's um yeah and but the problem is that I mean, you can do that for twenty years, so many zero .

series .

that's the problem, you know. Well, good for good for dan. congratulations. That starts episode one outbreak spans. Oh, I don't know if I would rid do. Why do people want to listen to this, I wonder? Anyway, hysterically congratulations. The podcast of the year is that because IT had the most downloads of every other show, no, it's just IT rose to number one in july twenty, twenty four and end of the years number nine.

So yeah, it's a demonstrated in quality and innovation progess. And so again, it's apple choosing. I just want to point out all these things that we talk about here.

These are all decided by apple. The apple, yes, its editorial. Well, it's marketing. So because I mean, it's apple. So IT is editorial in the sense, but like they have a podcast APP and they have an APP store.

And so really what they are doing is the IT is uh uh people doing content, but they're also, you know are they choosing based on uh completely objective criteria? Are they choosing based on uh, relationships with developers and things like that? I mean, I there is a lot that goes into this to just keep your eyes open. It's always nice to see uh, apple recognize developers for their good work. Uh, IT is marketing for the store and the good .

is IT isn't necessarily popular contest. So sometimes they do lift up apps that are well made that often times the unifying factor is that this is a good example of of mac or iphone or visions s or ipad O S design. This is is the sort of things that apple wants to put more eyes on.

And a lot of IT is promotional and a lot of IT is what's going to sell very, very well. Um I wasn't first first to notice this, but it's like IT was IT is kind of interesting that like there are no A I apps on this list like ever given that A I apps are some of the most interesting and transformative mobile apps that are that are on the apps store right now. I don't think I I don't think there's anything weird about IT, but that's IT is to note that this is whatever metric they're going for, not about the number of downloads, is not about necessarily style isc impact.

There is a lot of arguments, i'm guessing, between a lot of infection, just like on a lot of jesson's podcast that live arguments about we do when we do our own when we do our own picks of holiday movies involving bears, it's like go, I can't believe you. You chose to. The revenue is not a Christmas movie, but that is a Christmas movie when you think .

about IT as is die hard, when you don't think you about IT APP of the year finalists are drum please kino. I think we've talked about that. Haven't alex kino S S A movie making .

yeah it's a great it's um um from the folks that brought you highlight .

so so so yeah yeah .

so really really it's kind of IT split the difference between the apple photos APP and black magic APP you know where it's not quite as complicated as black magic but not quite as simpler stic as the apple photos one or .

or simply I think american proud american wants to do, which is great dog movies .

with lots in my world that's super .

important. I know I bet they have an opinion on .

hl gene verse HDR, but I .

do they so the h is easy, but for people listening, the uh uh the uh, the um for people living in the light means that you can shoot in log, but you can watch IT in you in what you want to in in the regular linear color space, so that you can understand what you're looking at, what your shooting. So that's why the lot is important .

to a camera clear as mud, mr. lenz. Y, no, actually, I know what you're talking about, but I am speaking for the every man now, a cano, and and you do recommend IT, right? Or would you others use the black magic?

So I admit that I I recommended that for anyone where the black magic one feels too deep and the and the um and the apple photos next crazy because all the all the tools are kind of hidden in weird ways. So if you if that if you're kind of in that so you open up the black magic, wow, that's too much or you go into the photos APP and you go, oh, that's not enough. I can't find anything. The key OS perfect for you. It's got a clean interface that IT gives you a lot of control.

Um i'm still using I like one over the built in camera. The built in one is.

you know, it's just a lot of the features that are available that the camera has available to you or kind of either hidden or not available to you. Po, apple tries to make IT easy for everyone. They have a lot of great tools that they put in. They put you know you look at all this like they shot the weekend music video with IT and they shot this with IT when they're doing that, they're not using the apple photos like they're using the phone. It's a shot with an iphone.

IT doesn't shot. Oh, but they're using something more black magic opens .

up every bell and whistle that you could possibly have the camera is capable of delivering except maybe spatial. And so so IT IT opens up all of those options, but there's a lot of interface to IT. Now there's like the rose and rose and rose of settings and all these things and easy for you to take bad footage. You know you can get their setts wrong. Keino is a in my opinion, kind of have with between.

Yeah so so when you shooting, log your shooting to get all of the data. But IT doesn't look right initially because IT looks like color graded before IT actually like Normal. And so what this does allows you to shoot in log gives you an instant grading so you can at least see something that look sort of like what you want. And then at this at at some point, you could either use another tool or use IT to, because you might go out a lot, which is you may look up table that tells you what color should really look like.

And the look, look up table and says instead of this color, go to this color instead of this color, go to this color is just a curve if you think a photoshop curves just do that and three and and so the the um but the .

becomes with built in color grades, but they are pretty good.

I mean, yes, they're good. No, they are minor, very specific like like we have discussions about our using the H G U, the specific ones. And a lot of times you get going, we don't really use kind of prebuilt lots like a lot of times we will go out and shoot test footage, and then we take IT into resolve.

You and we make IT look the way we wanted to look. Or or I actually get a color, is that I know to make you look the way he wants you to look. And then I, and then he sends me back a .

lot so you can drive ve a lot from an image that you've got IT to look exactly as you want. You can of the left from that in resolve. Here was a the original. Here is be the what I wanted to look like. Please give me a look up table, the maps.

Yeah exactly, exactly. so. And typically that a is a um is a log shot or wrong wrong, more log that's shot. And so the color is will go in and set up the nodes inside of the color window, inside of resolve. And then you just literally select the image right, click on IT, export a thirty three point walk or a sixty point.

And that for people who do still photography, this is somewhat analytic, shooting and raw. You have to process IT afterwards to get exactly that looks Normal, right? So we've really gone deep into kino what is running as anybody here actually .

exercise just I actually do run, but i've never used runa.

so I I can't is an opportunity, excuse me, which is a very popular runners. APP is just disabled at A P. I. For most third party tools, which is probably disappointed to the people with apple watches and so forth. You like to get that stuff in the apple health.

for instance. Yeah, well, there are a couple of running apps on here because there is also a couch to 5k up in the best apple watch nominees。 So they're definitely leaving into that.

I have used apps. I haven used this APP, but i've definite used um catched to pik apps, another run tracking apps on the upper watch to do that. And and that's prety great. But I can speak to runa other than that, it's got tailored training plans, which is great because that's actually the thing I ended up doing a lot of manual timing using a an APP called intervals pro because I couldn't find an APP that would set my training plan properly. So I ended up in putting IT on my, you know, on my phone manually and sinking into my watch and having that train plan right up, uh, for you is it's Better, right?

This is five K, K, half an ultra. So if and one of these you could get IT would generate a training .

plan for you. And it's really nice because he knows when you're running, it's not just like telling you OK now run like will tell you what your places are, but and also tell you like some of them do inertial training. I know that's how I did IT with my five 5k training is， you know, IT tells you to run for a while, then IT tells you to have take a break and then tells you to run again. And IT gives you stats. And that could be really helpful to have basically a coach who is speaking to you in your ears as you're running.

Interesting apple pick this because IT only has five reviews of the five reviews there are. There mostly are five star and there's a whole bunch of one stars. There really .

seems to be no agreement away.

okay? Yeah, if you throw the top of bottom way, you have no reviews. So there you go run. I mean.

the mean is no opinion. What's liver?

The medium is the medium runner is a finalist, where we should mention these are not winners. And then the last one in the finalist for iphone APP of the year is tipsy trip. I travel planner.

I have used this one and IT is good. The idea there you're taking a trip and you can loaded IT up with, uh, information they'll give you, you know weather per day, which I really like. That is a waiting feature.

There aren't too many apps to do that. I when I went to new zealand last year, that was one of the things I really wanted is I wanted to see we were in different cities in different days. And I wanted an idea of what the weather was going be like. Trip sea will do that.

It's got a bunch of other really nice to this.

a general planners flight up dates, things with your calendar like. IT is if you want to be like have an APP that works with you want like every day of your trip and what you're gonna and and all of that uh trip sy does that it's actually it's a very impressive .

APP and I do most this by hand in notion, just kind of created a ocean page.

I do apple notes for a lot of this too.

But yeah, the reason use notion is I could share IT with my partner or other people so they kind of know what we're doing itself. Does trips I have that kind of capability.

can you I don't know if if I I didn't try that out. I tried this while ago when they were still developed. But it's it's it's a nice idea. Yeah you can sure you are a with family, friends OK because that's really key.

right? You you going to do all is planning, but you don't want to the only one to know it's exactly that's kind of what happens .

when you get hit by a truck wall on your vacation and nobody know where to go next.

By the way, some of these run up for sure. And trip sy h also run on the ipad and trip sy runs on the mac as well. So the and the apple watch. So there you go, there's your three. You are going, are we good .

apps of the year.

the apps of the year. Now we have game finest. I'm not going go into as much detail fk journey for building a chanting fantasy worlds with striking battles, the way cleaner for delivering a game play and zenas zone zero. You know, i'm starting to feel like the iphone games are really pretty crappy. My wrong on that.

They are just, they are just have the same as .

I think it's went.

This is when the reasons why I my really still and joined my playdate because so many of the games are just one very, very strange loan game developer who didn't have to bounce any ideas about of anybody. They just thought, weird. I just want to see this game happen. You really have to dig to find, like the stuff that really gets my attention on, on any kind of a mobile game.

Those are for iphones, for ipad, the APP of the year finalists. Blue, let's plan. I know a lot of kids like blue. You got to love blue for lovable characters.

And in the most viewed things on you, half of them are kids for kids.

You know why, alex, because the kid will watch the same video of thousand times right now. You used me to .

smart. You know, baby wouldn't .

exist if only adult in the world. Because you hear IT wants you go on. That's cute. That's you don't want to hear IT again. yeah. But a kid wants to hear IT over and over and over and so I think you when you see all those kids with iphones and ipads in the restaurant, they're plane blue noise is an incredible .

yeah really incredible that I mean, I just it's like it's magical.

it's musicians.

So IT listed as ipad, but IT is also a um it's iphone as well as iphone as well. And so um my daughter uses this heavily and so so what he does with IT and is that know she's got a electronic drums and so when she's trying to learn the electronic drums, learn a new drum rip for one of the bands. She's in a couple of bands um uh and SHE uh he can take this, he can take a song and uh he usually downloaded from youtube or whatever grows IT in the noise and IT will separate all of the instruments so and IT gives you a levels control over each. 嗯。

this good job that's incredible.

Like IT does a job like I don't even know how that's possible. Like IT it's I don't understand IT to be honest. Like IT is so good at points apart and doing them so cleanly. And then and .

then you can actually separate the rythm .

and the lead guitar. IT gets Better. You keep to do that.

Yes, exactly. IT.

And I didn't do that when we bought IT, but now IT does IT. IT keeps on adding more and more tracks are available. And so the interesting thing is, is then what he does is SHE takes that and mixes IT in with her drums so that he can turn just the drums up and play with the drums until he gets IT and then turn the drums down and drummer and everything else to play around. And and IT is is just transformation. Like it's just like sometimes it's one of those apps that I just go, uh, I don't think I matter use that I meant to recommended a year ago or one actually, but it's just like this is we're living in the future and .

I would this up this is reMarks, but I should apologize to a Michael sec as, of course, IOS today has already done all this and talked about. And if you like apps, this is that the should listen to. But you know, I thought we should bring this up since we're .

so like I I also think that was kind of interesting. That's like so many of the pigs were like, wow, I don't be light room. M what's that like the in the in the mac apps like all both of are there are two productivity apps that we know well, army focus on light room.

The third one is a pipeline, a feature for, like 3d production。 So three model. O, K, thank you.

A shapers 3d yeah。 Yes.

yes. Related, timely, affordable. So these are big.

So the first to our big name products, I mean, I get focus isn't accept always been an apple space for a while. Those very well, the ami group and I think only focus probably been an APP of the year finally for a long from that many times.

I again, I mean that the company like they are like they were writing mac apps before, before there was mac APP development because they were writing these mac apps as next step apps. So you can't get like a more tighter pet gory or understanding of the philosophy of a mac and oriented APP.

And and I was a pleased to see light room in there because my god, that the leaves that has been made in the past three years this year to the uh, not just the best top APP of the mobile APP where things that were like, i'm finding fewer and fewer reasons to wait until I get home to edit a photo because there are so many advanced features on my on the mobile APP for doing things like, oh, I but I only want this to affect someone, the face or this object, uh, inside the frame and oh, you will automatic detect objects for me and I can, or even with people in the frame you can save you could to say, please identify all the people in this, in this, in this image, not by name or by shape, which shapes that that that the represent people and they say, okay, I want this these ideas to affect only person three and only they're clothing and it's like it's I keep saying that one. The reasons why i've never got into mobile gaming on my phone is that light room mobile is like my entertainment APP. When I when i've got spare time, ten is waiting for a bus or like an hour waiting in an airplane or something like that, it's just so much fun to work with. So I uh, not i'm surprised to see them named someone so important, by the way, particularly because like, okay, so if they're buying their own competitor to photoshop and to take IT in house and maybe IT released as a free APP, you're choosing to give promotion to adobe, which which is great means that means they're being honest. But it's like, oh boy, that this can be fun next year jumping.

we jumped, hit a little bit. I'd make this quick ipad up of the year. finance.

I just don't want to leave appropriate dreams because of people appropriate saying you mentioned blue and noises. What about us? Appropriate dreams is, I guess, appropriate team savaged.

active and build animals. Lot of these apps appear .

you will not be surprised to believe in various apple keynotes over the course time, uh, which is again a sign that there are apps that are liked by people, especially I think can develop relations with an apple and I think those are the people who drive and I .

think apply who decides this right?

Yeah I would think I I don't know, but that's my guess and it's all other kind right? And you talk about iphone APP sometimes feeling kind of see me um that again, I don't want I don't anna, be two down on the awards because I really love that they're recognizing third party apps, but they're recognizing them for reasons that make apple happy, right?

So one of the reasons that a lot of iphone apps especially get recognized this because apple likes to show off apps that have heavy graphics use because they wanted use IT to show off their GPS when they released new iphones. And so they're really into that when, you know are the are the is the market into that or is a really that apples into that? And you see that you know if if it's adopting apple technologies, they really love IT because that's what they are trying to to pro is just something to keep in mind.

Um also, you know they're they're going to prefer apps that are working with them as partners and that are in the APP store and all of those other things for for mac apps. For example, I didn't notice that in their press days they linked to light the mobile version of in the mac APP of the year category, which is um oops but uh anyway it's it's a great not mac APP but IT IT was nominated for mac APP of the year. So i'll give you this able the mac game of the year. One of them I was a stray, which is an amazing game. But like what they're really happy about is that that's A A fairly uh, high profile game that came to the mac this year.

It's a dba title. You get to play a .

cat wondering around it's a great game. But yes, IT is somewhere between cute.

the game and tribal glad that .

they gave IT uh promotion .

I put for any developers .

for any developer getting the marketing muscle, even a little the weakest and flavius of marketing muscles of apple behind your APP in any way. It's a big deal.

It's important. I was talking to a developer this is years ago, so I don't know it's the same now. But they were they there.

APP was in one of the commercials. No, I just flew about the logo, a logo, and they showed someone actually use IT for like a second. IT was like a second or two second that you saw someone actually using their APP quarter million .

dollars a month.

That one was like was like suddenly they didn't have to work anymore. I just turn the whole switch. They know how I was talking to. Eventually it's going to fade away. But you know like we're going to enjoy IT well, last and you know but that was IT that paid off their house, paid off everything else. They're just enough two on an apple. So these these recommendations, and I don't think that I don't think I look at these and o that they ring wrong like you you know it's like there are these are strong apps like like for since I I do think that in the a apple vision pro, they have jig space listed as the number one, I think it's the most impressive other than playing movies, the the most impressive non movie APP in the apple vision process to space.

I I think you're right. I I I think IT comes from a point of view because of course, IT does IT comes from map le's point of view. I think it's telling. Like when I saw jack space listed, I thought, well, of course, I literally got a vision pro demo from apple at apple with jig space, right? Like I know they like that.

And when I show IT, when I show to someone, i'm like you gotta go into jg space and take a look at this like you can see what where though. And I think this is to your point, IT shows you where the apple vision pro could go, like it's actually not a very practical APP because the development process is really expensive and painful and all crimes of all the things that you don't see that many new things. But it's the best example, I think, a lot of these movies and jig spaces, an example of showing you what the technology you could do um and kind of from a vision .

prospective well, anyway, it's also useful for us as users to get some discovery in here. So that's nice, but it's much like the editorial function that highlights these things .

in the APP store themselves itself is yeah, it's well, but it's useful. And you wish the abstention little bit more about a bit more fun to just say i'm kind dissatisfied with the image viewer webs. So I have right now, I want to sort of Browns and explore or even I don't know, I haven't really looked at new apps of any kind because all my tools seem to be kind of okay.

I just want to see what's new. I want to see what's. And I think they used to be like R S S.

To describe to my back when the influx of apps was somewhat manageable. The firehole es was at least something that you could keep on top of if you were so bizarre. Want to take a look at IT.

I feel like IT. I do still feel like it's hard to know if I just want to see I just want to really know a lot about the the breath of text editor tools that are available for the mac. And that just doesn't seem like there's an easy way to do that unless you're just interested in editorially pick content, feature content or the best sellers. All .

right, geek tom has asked a question that i'm afraid I must ask, alex. Did you try to deep fry your turkey this year?

Did not I stupid. So I know.

How did you ensure your thumbs? Is the question.

Ony story about your .

turkey with your windows.

the storm, winter.

never manually drop your turkey into the fire I guess would be them the lesson when you work .

in shipping and receiving when you eighteen years old and use a two chemical process to do a packing materials, it's a two chemical IT turns into phone yeah all over the packages that says to um put globs on don't let a touch your skin h and eighteen years old you don't pay .

attention to that and so that when .

I get cold your skin cracks oh so this is an injury from your youth it's a thirty thirty year old I just .

so everyone a while I put these .

on to IT just .

lots to here back up again hard life .

that's hard corn in to see different feature covered. I usually member to take them off before the .

show so that sounds unpleasant.

Just follow the instructions that's the only lesson IT hasn't hurt my my life, uh, too much. Just follow the instruction.

Just follow the instructions.

Especially the ones with the big circle that has like just one thing. And I used to use IT for everything I to send people like cassez. And I feel like I put IT in a phone package because I can do that. What one more APP.

It's gonna leos epic. It's actually not my APP pic. Because they end up charging you money in three days and usually shouldn't have to pave money for this. It's called a death clock. I show this on sunday on twit. I just want to let you know that I will be dying march seventeen s twenty forty one to death clock and just thought that warning you head a time, they do actually give you a little graphic that says, save the date. But since I didn't want to pay forty dollars for this information.

well, to make they gotto make sure they get that money out.

Your true, they give you three day as three day today, which is enough time to get your actual. It's so funny because it's a question. You go through the whole thing.

And then IT says, if you want to know when you're gna die, you should give us some money. That's like why I A, fortunately, they have a three day trial, which is free. You can find out when you're gone to die. And then I don't know why you'd pay forty dollars a year for this, but I guess the idea is they tell you when you're going to die based on what your current habits are and then how much longer you could live if you change your habits. And since changing my habits, things like eating vegetables would only add six years to my life.

I'm just .

do to shine and of course, the privacy process policy.

oh my god, yeah because I told you a lot of stuff .

because like it's actually .

reassuring to say, oh, good, they are charging a lot of money for this. That's how they they want to motivate.

There's hopefully yx ah there is actually a website that is pretty much the same thing. IT says I lived to ninety, so I don't know. I trust that one Better. I think it's more accurate. Just thought i'd let you know that the the last mac break weekly will be march seventeenth, twenty twenty one fifteen .

part .

of IT is like maybe i'm not .

gna bench watch season three and four of only murders and that be a building I need to save some things of i'm going .

have to fill like another fifteen years I didn't think I have I think .

this is gona have a lot of fun on same yeah, yes, yeah. Let's take a break. You watch a mac break weekly.

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That way they know you saw here e dash, E A com slash, twitter. All right, let's see here. What else is going on? I thought we were talking about privacy, and I think it's really good news. It's not specifically mac news, but it's very good news.

The ftc now is looking into banning or restricting what data ers can sell of your information, including your social security number if they do sell that information, can you believe they're actually allowed to do that? They will be viewed as a credit reporting agency, not as a, as a as a privacy and fading data broker, which means have even more regulation. This is a very small step.

IT is just a first step and IT isn't even a step yet is just proposal. But i've said for a long time, i'm not going to really credit congress with doing anything for our privacy by banning tiktok unless they go east a step further and band data brokers. What I mean, who cares about tiktok if china and anybody else can buy the same information will completely legally online effect Better information because the data brokers collected from all the apps um but congress has yet to do anything. Maybe the ftc we will will see or actually not the ftc. It's the c fpb, which means they're trying to do this before january twenty years because IT that, that agency will probably disappear.

And it's especially important because a lot of laender cement agencies are using these these resources to get around uh to get around like being to get haven't to get warrants for information because if they can just buy information, right, instead of having to go through record come its the judge. It's been happening a lot and we need to put breaks on IT.

Basically a lot of IT is that they will give you if this rule posses to effect IT means that theyll have to go ask you for explicit permission before they do. They sell on your social security number. Why is that already not illegal?

That was the stunning thing in this story. Ah they're allowed to sell your social. That's legal.

If they got they're even banning IT.

by the way, they're just well, that's going to put other more regulation. And I guess we should probably give you the bad news, which is january twenty, eneus. It's all over.

Well, maybe, but the consumer five financial production beer has been all over the news, even the apple news for the past few months. They doing such great work. There was a story just a couple of weeks ago, I don't know, we talked about IT or not where they decided the first.

They were the agency that say, okay, apple, the apple card and and the bank organza that that runs that you basically screwed up a whole bunch away. things. X, if you haven't been responding to use user complaints in a timely fashion, you haven't been doing a charge backs fast enough, all this world of stuff, and they get hit by, hit by finding stuff like that.

And then a couple weeks ago, they went ahead and said, okay, guess what? H, we've decided that there are so many new like google has their own, has their own financial financial movement system. Apple has their own financial movement system for consumers.

We've now decided that you now have to be regulated. You have to now have to fall of the same rules that a credit card company or a bank does in those circumstances. So you can't just simply decide that these don't apply to us. We're just two hippies in a again， they're doing such wonderful, wonderful work. And the sum of financial protection before the four letters that a lot I mean, I wasn't really terribly aware of IT until like eight or nine months ago, until the first time there was a news item that referred to, I started hitting its website and then I bookmark to hell out that website because the actions that they take are always meaningful and not uh vague in their own tent or their purpose they they would swiftly and accurately their their great orange ation hope they stick around.

It's liza's warn created. And I have a feeling I will be one of the first things that this is. Well.

as Ellen says, there's a lot of waste and .

dupe is a lot of waste.

Yes, I don't see that the need of yeah that's he .

actually wants to delete, literally used the word delete the c fpb yeah.

he's a smart guy.

you know, we should really .

just delete IT.

I think all the money will save. Probably I don't want to get into. People will stop, stop.

Here's this. Here's a happy go. Lucky story, grok made some money on his apple stock, William gallagher writing the apple insider. So greg, who is an .

nfl player?

Yeah, I don't. I bet you he isn't dumb, but he sure plays dumb on T. V.

Let's say, say that as as an a english who's been like when he was playing like every single week to be a story, he was like r yogi bara or he or he was like the those really great old timney football players in the sixties when they are giving interviews in the seventies and eighties where no, they're just like is .

a kiss for our times and le's talented.

he knows, he knows what he's about and he, he's a good story toller and he, thanks for now. We haven't heard new bad stories about him, so we can still .

think him as a lovable now we're happy if l play by play guy. And he also is, of course, we are rich from his years at the patriots.

Also grown coffey.

how can we also IT would be a thing if he didn't .

turn out to be a football player, because the is too good a nickname to waste.

So fortune magazine rock, in twenty fourteen was building a house. And the guy building IT would not stop talking about apple stuck every time I saw when we were building the house. He keeps saying, good apple, get apple.

So after the fifty years time I got IT, and let me tell you, it's the best investment ever had my life. Grancy you should about, he says, by the way, i've never been involved in stocks. I really don't know how stocks work. So I called up my financial adviser, put sixty nine thousand dollars in apple, says, brunk.

nice. Yeah.

that was when apple was just about to take off, right? Twenty fourteen .

IT was IT was ross kind of artificially and he chose. He happened to pick a moment when, like, everyone was on a cell mode. And yeah, he did very well. Yeah, he said.

going to this day, I have over six hundred thousand dollars apple stuck all because of that investment I made in twenty fourteen. Having no idea what I was doing, but just listening .

to the guy who built my house, he was perfect story. He says, like because he's he's got money, he can say he just called this broker whatever said, give me fifty thousand dollars in that apple thing forgot all about IT until like another meeting. Oh, by the way, your apple stock is quick ripped in the past two years.

A funny story. That is a funny story, a little moves. Bush, yes, to move on from what would otherwise be kind of unpleasant news vision, unless to our vision process segment. But john, actually, are you ready for to press. The .

but you.

I was going to a, give you time. I was going take a break and then let you get fined and get the button ready.

I am ready to go .

right on top of that on. It's like I do this for a living lio do you? Do we pay you? You're not a volunteer.

I didn't .

take my camera.

K, because when I, you know, pog castings is not doing very well. Now we love john. A vision OS two point two twenty nine to five mac is bringing some upgrades, three upgrades that make the vision pro actually a huge boost, a huge now we've talked about mac have virtual display.

They over that.

Are they overstating IT? I think you every three.

and it's not really three, is basically because it's really one, which is something .

that the mac display .

modes in the fact that the basic mode is also clear than IT was before. And then what's their third item?

Routing audio to the right place?

IT fixes a bug involving sound. Okay, well, wow, you convince me.

Wow, let's all buy a vision for kids. They say IT truly makes the vision pro in next gene computer strongest.

I think that cannot be backed up by uh, the story.

It's great that apples adding value to the product. I am I I don't think that when we were hopeful last year before having before the day, but we thought that like by this time, there would be a big update that everybody loves and appreciate and agrees. A great thing for the for the system is like, yeah, the feature that allows you to use IT as A A display for the computer you do actual work on. It's a bigger display and it's Better detail.

Well, I mean, I don't know what I mean, that's true. But if you go back to when this product was announced and people were talking about features of the vision pro, i'd say even back then, people said that mac display thing might be the killer APP like I think i'd actually very early on people were like, wow, that might be really interesting to use this.

And and and I think IT is of course, we're still talking about IT, this extended version of of being in bed. So you know, we're coming up on uh, eighteen months since day first announced this product and that killer features still hasn't ship. But maybe now is the time .

maybe yeah I think about what i'm getting at is that just that like if um if apple had decided that we like virtual reality, we think V R goggles and V R hardware from uh from meta whenever our interesting products, we think there's only one use case, really great use case for IT and that is as a floating display that goes wherever you go and they decided that all they're gonna is do A V R heads set that acts as an external display for your ipad or your mac.

How much less money would would have cost? I don't know much. How much a really good display, like people will spend in five hundred, one thousand dollars on a decent like gaming display. And so if you use that as a bench park, is apple, what could you have done if you just, yes, if you will, put some mother stuff in IT to but primarily, you're selling this as an external display. And the budget the retail budget is a thousand lars .

or twelve right apple display. Apple cheapest display doesn't cost a thousand dollars.

so a bargain.

Well well so the problem is that is that to deliver to me to keep that there's there's a few killer apps they are in there. Um you know I think that the um um I I think that the movie, I if i'm not with my family, I watch movies on the map. Vision pro like I don't like IT is the best screen i've ever owned, you know like as far as watching a film um that's there.

I mean it's it's just really as a sharper IT sounds Better all those things um and I think of the immersive, even though I think apples making a lot of the steps with the stuff that they are publishing, I think that that eventually that there's a lot of people that someone see something and you see a couple minutes of IT and there's some motion of that like gonna great when people actually have cameras and do more um the uh I do think that the screen I proposed because I have so many screen at home. But now that i'm traveling when i'm in a plane, it's a pretty big deal. I going it's like it's a pretty is a pretty amazing experience to have that big screen front of me and be able to actually guess i've done in coach, you know so I think that that is there.

My newest thing right now has been, um you know i'm get to the age where you to start paying attention to blood pressure and I take my blood pressure pretty often now and uh and I tested the meditation APP. I was like, you know, I I I turned everything into a research project, six minutes with the meditation up in my and my systolic and diastolic a dropped over ten points. So you know, and I and I and I suddenly got into you like, I I mean, I turned IT on us like, that's cute.

But when you get into five or ten minutes of that is actually a pretty amazing experience you know to to kind of like IT IT seems like a silly thing from the surface that I actually starting to really enjoy. Um so the uh so I think that that you know those types of things I think are pretty interesting. I think jig spaces, we talk about IT earlier, it's great APP.

Apple just needs to make IT accessible like like they need to either buy the company and do something with IT or sure like them and do something and make keynote t able to do those things. But something has to happen where you're able to build that kind of experience less expensively and more easily. If in org space figures out, I had to build a business model that actually makes sense. But there is an you know you see this huge gold mine of uh how to put things together, how to build things, how to build A C furniture where you use all the screws, you know like how to do all those things are things that um I think that would be really that's the thing that I I look at.

I need to buy a thirty five hundred dollar headset so I can figure out how to put together two hundred dollars table that's a good .

using with half square words, half the square words.

words can add up yeah so all .

the stress, you know. So no, but I but I think that there are many complex things that that that I am pretty excited about again. And I think that I I am personally wish that apple hadn't cut as many quarriers as they did.

I would have paid six thousand dollars if they done point friends a second. So so the um because you need to have you need to be able to develop for that far end and you can't develop for that foreign. If IT doesn't exist, it's easier to go back and say, okay now are going to do a cheaper one that does all the things.

But I think that the problem is delivering those movies to the screen at that at the frame rate in the resolution that they're doing IT required probably almost all the processing power that you're looking out there like. So there's not that much if if you're able to see through IT and be able to see the environment around you and then put up a screen, you're probably looking at three or four thousand dollars. So like it's not I don't think what I saved a lot to say. I just want to play um you know a 4k image。 There are companies that do ten per I, but they're cheap and weird and it's not the same like you know.

So I have to say though, all the ads met is putting out this holiday season to get the at quest are probably good for the vision, for the good for the category. Anyway, they show people using IT to do all the things that you would expect nerd helmet would do. And I think it's probably good for us.

I mean, supernatural is the best step on the quest, but it's in .

the boxing games are like the the music games and so forth. But so here's an interesting idea, and I hope IT comes true. The the president realm of dried, the big soccer team in spain is upgrading their stadium, and they apparently are thinking of making IT possible to attend the game in the vision pro.

This is reported by marka. He says everybody wants to come to santiago, but in our bail. And that's why we're negotiating with apple to be able to wear glasses and watch the match as if you were at the stadium, IT would be the infinite antia. O I think that's kind of interesting.

I actually know a lot about this kind of coverage.

Yes, in the line of five max story, they say they don't go into what IT would take to do that.

What would you take to also as little context is not as so you'd be really suspicious of this if this was in A V R company that is that oh, wearing in negotiations with apple to create technology for this often times to self emotional. This was just something that in the context of we're billion's new stadium, yeah we know if we got addressing an actual complaint. Well, one of the ways were trying to address this is that we are actually talking to apple about along people to visit the stadium and V R. So really, really bit interesting.

Uh so um socket games are really hard to do in the r .

i've done a lot of them because they use the whole.

the two big. And so what happens this is that the resolution breaks down, uh, or you don't you know the wrong place most the time. So where we put cameras in the pastor midd field, we put cameras at the goal.

The goal is obviously really cool. And the reason the goal is cool is because you have something in the foreground that tells you you in three d you see a lot of dimension. The problem is no one's there most of the time.

Then you put IT in middle of the pitch and then you and then you um you is too far away, just too and then is low resolution and then you put IT in the crowd and IT doesn't make any sense of really low resolution. And even though these are really high resolution cameras and screen and everything else IT is it's really hard to find a place in a socks. I mean, I kind of a gave up on IT like I just have to say that it's like I I feel like this is like we thought of this eight years ago.

And then and then we did a bunch of IT. And then we were like like things that work exceptionally well in V R. Are close quarter. So M, M, A boxing. That type of thing like they had done, they had done in immersive record of the the boxing match, netflix did.

That would be something that people would you want to watch because when it's close up, you remember that the active area that really makes sense in V R. Is five to twenty feet like that. That's the world is five to twenty feet in anything longer than twenty feet away. Okay, you know. And so and you'll see that if you look at all the examples that they show, if anyone has a heads that you put up on, the stuff is five to twenty way, looks amazing, everything else is just kind like, okay, it's fine um and so and it's in in what apple proved if you get really close, it's really uncomfortable. So the um so the so um I think that so is IT .

full to say, let's s let's do this. Make up a virtual game knocked themselves.

Maybe you've figured out something that we didn't figure out eight years ago, you know like like but but all of .

many because what that sounds like is he's not trying to do the that was cool. I'm at the goal line or i'm on the ball or whatever he wants to make IT. So you're there stadium. I don't know .

if that's do I? I don't know if IT again, it's it's it's just you got to maybe I am always looking forward to be improving wrong on on a production pipeline like I would not move the cameras the way apple moved and emerged in a couple. There's a couple shots there. There was like I would have never done that and IT totally work like, you know and then there's a one just stuff that in the weekend and I would never do and I would still never do so the so the so the um uh i'm only more sure bit now so so the so I think that um but soccer just I can say a lot of people have dull their swords walking on the soccer wall .

like with br like this is like working on the VR wall so .

title like yeah, it's a really .

it's not the right venue for this at the current resolution and technology that we right now. It's just not the right place .

for this and there are so many places that .

the sport boxing is a boxing oma resty. Uh anything this close quarter um you know is anything that's going to all happen mostly twenty feet away.

Where are the most of the actions to be twenty six of camera? It's gonna IT looks great, you know and so so those things are are the a um you know it's and things that go why there's this temptation you saw this with the um uh concert for one is there's A A temptation to try to fill the whole space, but you don't actually want the person to look to the side. You want them to feel the side, then you want them to look at what's in front of them. And um because every time they see the black IT takes them out of the experience and so so the so I think that um but again, I think that there there are sports that really lend themselves to IT and concerts and all kinds of other things. It's just that more often going after people often go after the ones that are harder.

But but I think that we talk last week about that really cool looking f one APP A V R APP h for the proof that was, pull, discuss, write to the f with f one for the photos of me. And I don't necessary. A couple years ago, I might have thought that, oh well, great, I can actually be in the cockpit and I can feel like i'm actually there when actually that such a great example of like uh, to be able to watch base baseball or basketball or even soccer or football or anything where in front of me is the entire field like a like A A game version, video game version of the field that i've got a goddard, i've you on things, whether it's real or whether it's something that's being simulated. Remember that I think was that next week of the sympson, they are doing a special sympson simple cast of an N F, L game, where in real time they are replacing all of the players with .

simple characters. Is that what I do? I saw the add for that they're it'll be the game as simpsons .

characters playing IT, yeah. And did with toy story .

characters last oh that's .

what what happens is that you know you can build the characters out and and depends on how much detail that they want to do IT. But you're basically building every uh player and then you're using A A variety of algorithms. People call him A I course because that's cool, but there is using a much of things that are going to track that information.

It's going to extrapolate IT get a little complicated when they get into a obviously into A A bundle. So um but when a pile out, but when they are running, it's able to do a pretty a good job to figure out where they're moving. It's not actually and then what IT does you take?

You create what uh skeletons. That is just what we call the um rigid bodies. The rigid bodies in someone's body are things that Normally want to change in relationship to each other unless something horrible happens. And so so .

usually oot ball parts of IT.

So rigid bodies are your four ARM, your upper ARM, your, you know, your your chest cavity, that your hips, your those types of things, you track those, you turn those into a skeletons and you take that skeleton, you apply to the C G. And you can do that these days in real time. You know, that's not a and it's a and so and then you contract their position. And I mean, it's there's a lot people are trying to get to a point where you could actually stand on the field and have VR versions of the football players and you could watch from where the referee is or you could watch from where and and that's .

up close when i'm getting guys, I don't necessarily want to place myself on the field. I want this this basic set up of in front of me, on a table where the real virtual, I have the entire field in front of me. So let's the baseball where when there is a hit into left eld, and I want to follow where the balls going, like where the play is going, I can go there.

But I I can also select virtual displays around that that live video feeds, because there times when, like right in front of me, would be the big screen, which would be like the the conventional T, V coverage of IT, where the directors calling all the shots. But like when I met a real ball game, I love looking at the interactions between the catcher and the home play empire. I would want like a fixed position on that, and I want to fix position on the pitch, and I want to fix position on this so that after the, after the things been hit into the midfield, I want to see how the catch is, settle up the play.

I want to see if he's doing that. Those wonderful a those onto ful jedi mind tricks that catches sometimes try to play against the empire like making them think that the strike zone is bigger than IT is, or intentionally shield ding their view of something that they don't want them to see at the plate. So that will get a Better chance of getting a good call.

Things the the ability to like interpret this as exactly how I specifically want to be able to see if given that there are so many video feeds happening at the same time uh, as excuse me, during the the airing of the shooting of of a live game, the ability to at least give me a menu of few points to choose from, again, not an immersive 3d way， but basically be able to see, oh, I really want to see was happening at the plate like, as he said, is he signalling for cut off or is he actually preparing for a plate the plate that's sort of stuff? yes. And I think the creative stuff like that is a little bit lateral, but I think it's a really, really interested IT would make me a lot more interested, not a three thousand dollar headset p, but maybe a thousand dollars.

said what of apple vision pro nominees with the N, B, A up. But that's an example where so I quite the a Anita single game, but theyve got the multiple, or you can place you know different games in a you know as Samantha and watchmen kind of view if you want. I can see all the N B A at once. But IT IT speaks in the M L B. They've been experimenting with this too, where you're sort of watching the game on the jumbo tron.

But there's also like a 3d field because theyve got sensors on every player or they've a they got cameras that can measure all the spaces that every player is moving through at any given time where the ball is。 And and I do wonder yeah if if one I I think maybe there are multiple last works of this but like Alice said, some sports might actually be improved by being um you know by being annotation a little bit more than being immersive and and that's that's okay um as somebody who has been to a lot of baseball and football games s live um you know the live stadium experience can be kind of annotated to by the score boards and stuff like that. So I do wonder um like I I would be really interested in getting a front roseate for uh you know at a like a she's court side that I be a game. I mean that would be really interesting IT would be a very different experience.

Could do that right, Alexis? But with things within .

twenty feet, if you're work side, we've done as we put him right right table set IT right up in front of where the scores table is and but still out of bounds, obviously. And then the and then you look at IT and IT is the the problem we had when we did IT, I don't know, four, five or six years ago um was that our framework y wasn't high enough. So this gets into where .

the more pretty quick yeah so .

it's thirty friends a second, which is where we are at when we are doing four k per I stereo hundred eighty so you can turn all the way to the side are not one hundred, three sixty you can go away around. But the the problem we had was I was thinkin .

son in the back there actually .

and and so at sixty um we felt at sixty friends second Better but really where we wanted to get to hundred and twenty because that action does make a difference. But IT is you suddenly I realized why people pay two thousand dollars to see you get. And IT just an amazing experience and people are coming by.

And again, there's enough action that's a good example of where IT does work. Um and and there's other things you can do like we were talking about the we knew golf is a one that doesn't work, right. You know in general, golf is a not a great experience for this, but what we did is we able to put three sixty cameras at different Greens. So that's a place that he does make a difference. And and so and then if .

you put that on the pen, then you can see the ball come .

and cha just put IT to there's still playing a game. I mean.

this is like a scores.

And so ah these are big camera. I mean a camera that's good basketball size camera. And so so the depit easier to find.

But what was interesting .

as is that if you took the content and just put the sixteen by nine, the content you see on T, V, without all of the data on IT and no other third, none of that you just put a big screen make because you want. And then you have lw, the data on one side and your social stuff on the other side. It's great experience.

You're sitting in there and you're kind of in IT like you. You're seeing you're seeing twitter feeds. You're seeing all the data that you want when you want to, you see a big Green and then everyone's in a while. You just transition to the to the three sixty experience, know when there's someone something happening there. And then you go back to .

IT that the problem is, can you do that life?

O because that's .

the problem. If you have to do in post, you know, the games over.

everybody knows the score and nobody really cares.

Live enough. No IT strikes to me. The best thing would be chess, the world chess chapt chips going on right now.

Nobody watches just the game. You always watched the commentary and it's right there. It's close. You can look left, look right now, look great again.

How do we not think of that? How do we not think of that?

Doesn't move very fast. So the frame rates .

not important next year, we're gone to do that done.

Be have you tried the new google A I experiment where IT will create IT will play it's a chess game, but you give me an A I problem will develop species yeah and and it's it's it's funny. It's exactly it's exactly what google is kind of meant to do, which is like above, that's kind of cool. That's kind of fun. And then you think about one level later. I think, my god, the earth resources are being consumed to make to the suspect theses that look like rusal prs.

It's just and by the way, they whoever designed IT doesn't really understand much about chess because the way the board is angled when you're playing IT makes IT actually very unpleasant. And any way who wants to play chess with cheese pieces really .

right if they are edible and there no take if you could get a, if you have, if you could get rid of .

like point after you take IT, I think .

stakes ah yeah.

So let's see we're going to play a cheese versus wine, which I think you know that that's .

a natural I do like the fact that like you choose a prompter one, and then I will choose for you like an opposing thing to that concept, so that I think I did a plum. Ming and IT chose like architecture or like electronics as as the, seems like you very good, so serious.

Ly, there's I realized that there could be how we not had Candy chest that you just if you get, take the person's can .

do you eat IT? Oh, I like there are chess sets that are little, but like the alcohol models.

actually.

that's a good way to do IT. Because if you have to a drink, the person's peace after you take IT take place.

The version checkers like that on match once shocked lass checkers .

shock lass checkering baby. Whoever designed this doesn't play chess, because this is the worst possible adl to look at a chess game and just released. I can't figure .

I I my problem was that, like, they weren't what they should have to do. You do the like. If there is a light colored set, there has been a dark colored set. And whatever happens, be light colored set has to go first. And that's what I when I played IT on on the phone, at least I got like they put the typical or if you're sitting at a table across from person view, just the test of viewing.

Yeah, I can't. This is impossible. This is just awful. I can't even, even that's why i'm losing to wine. I'm playing cheese right now.

I want donno's characters, verses.

What that else going on, you can even tell IT so weird. Yeah, alright, let's. That was, ladies and gentleman, believe IT or not, you see, this is why I want vision, process, the vision.

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Back we go to MC break weekly. Apple has decided to push home kit support for robot vacuum to next year.

Why don't they just tell the robot back him to go home?

Go home. Robot, your drunk. I don't even know why this is a story, but I could tell you that's what what's come to you.

I know we are all great for when apple actually talks in detail about their plan for future software releases. This sort of story is why they don't want to do that is because then everybody says, oh, but apple use set by the end of the year, you'd have robot support in home kid. And and and now it's going to come early next year.

So your reliable and your pants on fire. Now anybody really cares? A little late.

A few of their feature features they said would be the end of the year gonna. Get push to the next O S version sometime early next year. So I have a about back him.

I am for IT to, you know all my little things that are not in home kit. I would love to be able to get in home kit one way or another. So i'll wait.

I've been waiting. I mean, that's the truth. Anybody who's got a robot vacuum already can use IT in home kit or has figured out a way to use IT in the home kit.

Either way, you're not a you couldn't wouldn't give you .

instructions to need in at the very least, you would be able to like tell you to go and possibly to tell you to run a particular routine uh, or tell to go home stuff like that .

using theory. Yeah, yeah. And you know what I did with when I used have a robot, I had a rumble and I would wake up at them in the night. IT plays a little song when he wakes up.

start a room.

but I know IT. And then every night that would get stuck under a piece .

of frenching o and so .

you know how I said go home? I got up in the midday, then I picked IT up by a little robot and and put IT back on the station. After the third time of that, I put IT back at a special station under leases tire in the garage.

Unfortunately, he noticed IT before running IT over, but we don't have that room by any morning. Which one do you use? Jason?

It's it's a room bow. I forget I for something like that with the collector you like IT. It's the kind that doesn't walk randomly actually, as a camera knows where the rooms are, maps itself in all of that. I do like IT the big problem with IT because I do not like to sweep or .

or map or anything like I well.

yeah, I mean, a lot less and I have three pets. So this one want to hair yeah ah and having IT run everyday is fine. The problem, as I do work at home, these products are best for people who aren't at home when they run.

go to work when at work every day to P.

M. The thing goes off and it's noisy in the house. And I have to have, well, I mean, it's a vacuum cleaner. I mean it's little in all but like it's a vacuum cleaner. A vacuum cleaner is never going to be silent. But yes, I do find that valuable IT really picks up a lot of stuff just running, you know and then when we're out of the house, um I have a set to run when we leave the house as well and that is pretty great too. So yeah, I mean it's it's a supplement but with three animals in this house plus two people, IT is IT definite does job I like IT I you like the area.

but there are many competitors. Now it's become worry. Did the amazon and up buying eye robot? They tried and they didn't. I think is what happened because the the human cry was that might be.

So there are some other other computers ors out there. But yeah I have a about I IT .

I didn't know this but apple headquarters in the U. K. Are in london's battersea power station .

and is beautiful. Um my friend mike ley has been there multiple times and he says it's the he says he is more impressive than .

apple park to him what they definitely has that industrial will feel with the two smokestacks yeah like apple really turning network coal power now. So apparently from today until new year leave according to apple, you can watch walls and grammer decorate giant Christmas trees in a stop motion installation shot on iphone sixteen per max and projected on the batta sy power station smoke stacks, which are no longer in use.

Of course, what a great idea ool IT is like what the classic things you kind of want to see, like when you visit london track to take the boat tour and have this, these, these, both smoke acx creatively turned into, like wallis is on one side, grammar is on the other of the stack is like a tanis, a really, really thin try with hydro ks and marries of plenty.

What good will they're creating for everybody by doing something that cool? And also, by the way, oh, of course, the they would have of, of course, you know the argument animation was happy to use the iphone sixteen procs. They were planning on using them anyway for .

the stop motion project.

But not the less like IT is impressive that like IT is good enough for and start well.

Well, yes, because is getting blown up to a giant size, right?

Well, I mean, they are unprotected on like rough. So I nonetheless what impressed me was that, like you sometimes cities behind the scenes, oh yeah and you see the behind the scenes and it's like it's in this robot cop, huge like refrigerator size enclosure with a million cables running in and out of IT. This is just now we just start put in an illuminant thing and aimed at at the we have a remote .

activation six and frames of stop motion. Looks like some of that was done in hand by hand. I don't .

the motion was.

but the camera is not. I mean, he was handlin a camera .

and I don't was figure out framing. I don't think by hand. I don't think that is really hard.

Yeah yes.

So they had like the that's the kind of the larger small rig cage that they use there. And IT looks like the only thing the attitude was power. Um and then uh the there is a couple shots in the behind the scenes where they show A A motion control system that the camera was put on to do pans that like that's how you going to do.

In some cases, you're use emotion controller, change the camera position over time so that so that someone the animate, if you want to see a pan, it's complicated because you're moving in the persons, you're moving in the clay, uh armature uh A A little bit the same time, the camera the so what they do is there a lot of those are built around a motion control head that just moves one. What you've decided is one frame, you know, for that for that movement while you're doing the other parts that are in front of IT. I think that I think this is a great immigration.

I think they could take a lot further that they could be doing. Armin could be. So armin released has an APP, the armin animation p stopped motion APP.

That, of course, the promoting in some of the behind the scenes as well, I think, is the second behind the scenes video is them actually showing. This is how you can do that yourself. You can build a little clothing that would hold your phone. That's a horrible idea, but were going to show you how to do IT that way. Anyway.

I like, I would like IT.

I would like put your camera in clay. I was just like, I was like not okay. Like not okay. So so I didn't appreciate. I like just buy a tripod at six dollars, you know like so they're .

trying to they actually show you putting your iphone and you this right? I'm gonna tuck taken down secure IT with tape, clay blocks or board. I guess the real point is for kids, right, that you could don't use sugar though you'll never get .

your phone out, right?

I was like, no, was like.

I think about my kids to put that wrapped their phone with clay. I would not be happy. So I came a lot of money for that camp, for that for that phone.

So so argument is the .

tool they're using a argument animation. Um it's uh it's a it's a little tool. It's just designed to make IT really easy to do.

There's lots of them. I mean, you know a point software makes one. There is a bunch of all the one. There is a lot option. The the um but but I also like at .

the end of both of these how to bind the scenes, videos, the apple logo. Let me show you that you can show this. They're not going to take me down for during the apple logo does a little little thing.

I don't know what that is. It's got a little weird pin in IT or something. I go back, well, never mind.

What's I don't get that. What is that? Is that some stop motion thing? Is that a wall is a grammy thing?

Metal switch or something? That's that's all I came up with.

Yeah, yeah, the end of both of these videos. No, what IT means. All right. I thought I just ask because you guys, this is the experts um I like what is met. All I know from that is cheese .

coming out this month then came back to see yes of promotions.

And you know it's funny we were watching in the nfl as one is pretty much constantly in on thanksgiving week and saw the apple ad, which when IT starts out, is a little weird because the guy is watching his family on rap gifts, and it's all really this. And then his wife says, honey, put in your airports and he goes into hearing aid mode. And now we can hear everything.

please.

like the long version of .

the short version. I just saw the one on TV bae sense version. I guess that makes sense.

It's kind of two minute version which you are .

not going to see on on the .

nfl and IT is trust I work about it's I is is your heart street.

Yeah, I was like, I was someone one posted on on something and said, just try not to cry and I .

was like, they live in in the long version, the little girl playing her little instruments as he grows up.

You just have to watch if you get the whole experience. It's kind of one of those. And anybody who says I can't tell a story in two and a half minutes, I mean, you know it's it's kind of an up level, not mean not quite the level of up, but it's like that i'm going to show you a bit of pictures and by the end of IT you're going to be like.

so yeah so I have I wear hearing aides Normally like professional, highly expensive hearing aides from moto ons. I have heard warn results in starkey two over last decade. And there is a big difference tween the airports to about pro to due.

Do you have a hearing and mode? My, my wife said, my mean, I should do the hearing test. I thought, yeah, that's a good idea.

I hadn't do that. That's built into the IOS eighteen. And then the hearing test gives you a curve, which is then applied the airports.

But as I mentioned before, there is a significant difference between what the airports do and what real hearing needs do there. I think the airports probably are as accurate, if not more accurate, because i've got Better speakers, Better microphones and so forth. But they seal your ear, which real hearing ages do not. So with real hearing aid, you get a little speaks er in your ear, but you still hear around IT.

So you hear everything around IT and the hearing a is just amplifying the voice when you put in the airpower s is a little at least IT was for me as a hearing eight wear a little quester phobic because suddenly i'm ceiling out all these sounds and relying entirely on the airports, microphone and speakers for everything. And it's a that's a different experience for some people, especially if you've never want hearing aides. IT probably won't seem weird. But IT isn't, I think, necessarily a direct replacement for hearing aides is certainly a lot less expensive. I bought too, so that I can get through the whole day because, of course.

bad life is not as long either. Yes, I had only one bad reaction to IT. I'll keep IT very, very short, like as. So I was watching IT. Then I wanted to look look for more information and so was doing like a gool search on news, the number of like newsletter les and commentators that like it's great about that because it's anti woke like I I, I apple for doing a pro family ad revolution is here to get to everything .

exactly what .

is wrong with you.

What I did notice how many IT was really fascinating thing within days. How many family members I talk to the talked about, oh, I think i'm going to get the the airport my wife was talking about.

Well, that I meant when I said lisa said all I should do the hearing .

test that's really good. I mean, that just nailed IT and apple does that. But once a year they do something where you're going.

Do I need that? yeah.

So really well, no, IT.

IT was a beautiful ad. IT did effectively. I thought I was interesting that they were making spending so much time and so much money promoting fairly small feature.

But I guess I was I was going to say the exact same thing because the apple has done an enormous number of really cool holiday ads. And of course, they show up apple technologies, but the apple technology is more in the background. The foreground is, again the teenage son who is maybe not quite connected to his family.

And you think he's just moving off doing his own thing. But actually what he was doing was shooting a holiday video that showed every everyone in the family that how much love I mean, the iphone is incidental. It's prominent, but incidental. This one I am not complaining about, but this was unique in that IT was a holiday ad that was also specifically a promotion for this specific piece hardware, this specific feature.

And I think with the changes in the laws, I think one of the things that there's a lot of ground to be taken right now like you, and I think that, that there is a huge market that people are going to get something. And it's not people who don't have the money or don't have the insurance that can pay for the five thousand dol version. They're looking for something under three hundred dollars that they can put in that helps them in.

A lot of them are people who are borderline like they. They think they can hear, okay, but they are not ready to say they're not ready to buy a quote on quote I think is less about whether compete with the here in age I have family members. I have you know um that I know that should be wearing hear ades, but they're not gonna a quote on quote here in .

that's the real selling that and I think like thousands of dollars.

not mental something and be able to throw an an airpower in and able to hear something a little bit clear, I think of a real know. I think that's pretty valuable to people. It's a lot less expensive.

People can afford IT, but it's also a lot of stigma in their head. IT shouldn't be but IT is. Um and so I .

don't I want to get all existent al here but this is the post thanks giving episode de, so we have the time so i'm just onna say a lot. We talk about technology here and we love IT it's fun. But there is this question about like what of technology is the means to an end? What if technology makes people's lives appreciative Better, right? And that apple add really encapsulates.

And I think it's good for lots of strategic reasons and branding reasons and all of that. But I think most importantly, it's apple saying this is our technology making your life Better in a very related, able human a common way, right? That so many people have various levels of hearing difficulty and it's not the only way they're doing IT.

And you know and there are lots of other things you can get done with technology, whether it's productivity or personal stuff. But like this one story lets them, not a little Young, look good and market the products and all of those things. But IT tries to put down an explanation about like how a product can actually make your life Better. And honestly, that's refreshing in the year twenty twenty four because a lot of the hottest st product categories are uh you know solutions in search of a problem. And this is not that.

And I think that what apple does with these ads, these holiday ads specifically, is what they are really good at, is showing you something that has you feel the value that their product add to your life, right? It's it's mostly visual. They're not telling you why IT makes a difference.

They're not telling you all the features. They're gonna give you something that has very little a very, very little speech, you know, very little text. Now I mean, look at the script in this one is like like forwards, i'm going to show you a bunch of things.

And as you watch IT, you're gonna feel something and you're going to feel something that that is that is directly related to the value the product has to someone's life. And I think apple does that are probably Better than anyone else that I was like. I can't I was trying to think what James was talking to, other ads that I can think of that are that good at IT. And I would go back to another APP I go back to the rapper LED. I'm not sure how many other ones make that kind of difference.

And and also IT comes from such a good place like um ordinarily, particularly as a gene xr, I would just like roll my eyes go every time like a training. Our company says we care about humanity. We care about people.

Our most important thing is but when apple talks about when tim cook talks about how health is the most important mission that apple has, they back IT up and you absolutely believe IT. And I that's why I think that this commercial really is an flow of not just, hey, this is a really good, this is gonna really good P. R.

For us. Or hey, look, this could be an interesting way to some more airports, but also really the promotion that we we want to be able to do things that we are proud of. The famous phrase that the um Steve jobs used to get john go to quit pepsy income to apple like you want to you want to quit continue selling sugar water of the kids or do you want to change the world uh and a lot of companies aspire to that, but they don't put in the work. This is an example of apple like absolutely believing in that that this is I don't this is an example of them really believing and showing you that you're not a fool for thinking that they think that these things are important, that they wanted to do things that they can be proud of.

Yeah, I guess really that's the point is it's not really just advertising a future, right? Small feature, very positive. Don't you feel good about apple? Aren't they doing good stuff? A good .

company I feel in in a world in which like you, through three years after you buy like a car, suddenly ashamed of IT because of like what the company is known for. It's like it's good to know that I just spent two thousand dollars on a mac. I'm not going to be really, really upset by what the CEO does two years later.

I yeah and they're not very much. I mean, you can not to see the ovo do and ovo is making the world Better place. You might see google do IT.

You might see microsoft do IT. The big tech companies can do IT, but that that's their realm. Is this thing? You watch a mac break weekly, and that's what we talk about apple every tuesday with inDiana. O alexa cy, Jason snell, glad you hear.

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Apple replay twenty four is live in apple music. So if you is that wonderful, magical time of the year, so if you listen to a lot of apple music, you can listen to the same songs again. Is that the idea?

What is the, well, it's everybody loves is the quantified self, right? It's selling you what music you listen to this year. And they added they've got like a video that is generated for you with a montage of what you've in to listen to during the year.

You know it's I find IT interesting. It's skilled for me because like they're the playlist I wasn't to well, i'm writing. And so those are always high on the list, but it's kind of fun to see like this year they were like, this is your number one artist for by month, uh, number one song by month. And you know if you if you like those kind of stats. I do spotify does IT so apple sort of following them and, uh.

IT can be fun. Well, let me just go right into my apple music and replay and share my ear in music. Or are we excited? Let's i'm turning the sound down because I can obviously, we'll get taken down the minute we play other stuff, but i'll let's just see, by the way, i'm using that great iphone mirrors. I stop IT never mind. And anticipated .

you are about to view a concept match and the internet said.

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not you, leo, no, no. 呃， i have to log in to my apple music in order to do this.

which logged apple on the web. You actually can do IT inside the music APP IT takes you to a web page that they felt, which I still think now i've .

done IT and I had to get pick up my iphone. I couldn't do IT in mirrors because that needs the camera on all that. So now i've done, here's my replay. This is your life was is thinking again what you're doing that my .

to arrest? Well, OK, how much music to you? I.

thirty one thousand thousand and eight minutes.

say that I don't know where I said that.

I was the first thing, my longest listening street, eighteen days in a row between melt ta mabarak pe music and kate Perry. Oh, oh, here's this. I think this could be embarrassing. Sing out of six hundred, two artists, one stood out. Peter Gabriel, have a minute.

That's the top of the year actually, in terms of minutes. Listen was I O but I listened to a lot of as an album, right? I I listen to that as an album, but yeah, I believe I like the six, three, eight year.

My number one artist is the one thousand nine hundred and seventy five. What can I say? I like them. They are good. You've told me about that.

Yeah, boy, Peter was my top artist two months in a row. So this is kind of fun. You're right.

This is fun. This is, I thought I would just be a playlist. You played one thousand, one hundred thirty songs, but one was my anthem.

Now want to know what your anthon was? My anthem was cracks in the wall by emerson cove. No, was not my anthon. I promise you.

twenty seven thousand and nine hundred and fifty minutes of music. Listen to that is a.

listen to a lot. I sten more .

this .

video, first video that you generate two thousand seven day list in streak. I didn't know I was doing streak in apple music, but apparently I was.

They should put that on the watch.

I see that. Can we say that? Like, after spending so much time talking about how nice apple is to cares much about health, I don't like the idea of any social media companies praising you for a while. You you just completed your twelve day read IT. Well, you've been listened .

to apple music every single day, up every time I open care, whether IT yells at me because .

I .

haven't opened IT in a while.

Product I like. It's got one of one step that's fascinating is, are you one of the hundred most an artist, hundred top listeners. So like I am in bob molds, top one hundred listeners, which is a fun artist. I listen he when i'm writing his, my bobo play is my never one playlist so ah but that's kind of funny, right because that's within all available music.

And my epm is I think there's something you should know by the one thousand nine hundred seventy five course of this right? Because I just that's why I listened to that on repeat all the time forever and that's just how IT is. I guess I don't know.

It's a fun. I I think it's fun and that's why apple is doing IT is a spotify. Did IT and I go know people are having from a spotify.

We can let that stand. We have to have fun with apple music too. And so they threw IT in there. And it's like a bunch of apps do this overcast actually a popular podcasting APP by marco arment just out of this feature as well. And i've i've had a lot of people sending me the they are overcast list where my podcast appear, uh, third or fourth in their list of favorite podcast. Thanks, but not too much.

I'm just happy to know that the top generals I like to listen to or can you show my screen rock hard rock, reno rock, pop and pop.

rock. Well, we get you. I touch you just as our alternative and adult.

Alternative rock, alternative .

rock, alternative rock, pop, rock, pop, pop.

yeah. So you know what? Okay.

I take back.

It's fun. I didn't enjoy that.

My daughters been hanging out my daughter a lot.

and we trade playlist. The two of us try playlist, and I can never see the influence on my players. Wild, no, or con, the luminous allogenic. Hailey enrique.

stuff is great. excEllent. Ste, what's the? So I have some good gift ideas in here. Oh, yes, how? Thank you, andy. I go.

You can now wear the apple running shoe in mogi designer hoi wong shoe one, two thousand and nine thousand dollars. Does that look like an A O, J? I guess it's, that's the emotion I on the left.

Yeah, I guess it's the same. I thought IT was going to look like a clown show or something. Yeah.

it's just a regular everyday running. It's interesting. A double rip off, not only the ripping off apple's original art for the mogi, but he's also ripping off .

like the new baLance shoe, like new baLance. You're right. yeah. OK. I was I was trying to .

figure out if this was like for real, but IT turns out that this this guy, he is one those designers that like i'll do like a limited drop over and over again. So if you do a search for like, you will find that h here's a shirt from him. Here's whatever from however, if you go to the site, that's a link to from the like verge article I found IT from the page is gone four or four. So I don't know what. And if so, that's what that caused .

me to .

I want to go to that is instagram of story's feed. And so okay, as not as though that was just like a parody. Uh, he has like dozens and dozens and dozens of shoe boxes stack behind him. But there is like at least like four or five actual pairs of these shoes like in evidence in the shot so as not as though he had one made up just for this joke.

But while some lucky child in nigeria is going to have a whole bunch of run shoes pretty soon, um not the only copyright issue. A brazilian company says, hey dudes, we own the iphone trade market a little way, but they are going to trial on this thing.

Yes, I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, this is legitimate like this now is they are lying out that they had their paper found out long before. Then just like cisco also had a iphone product, just like the other companies, es had a iphone product. And Steve just simply said, what we're just going to go ahead. We're gna figure out that it's going to cost a small money before this yeah and figure though we figured that they're gonna go away in time or with encouragement of money or with threats of how much money we can spend.

I guess brazil, I not have the same statute limitations. So uh.

so the grad and the iphone was launched in brazil two thousand and seven years before the iphone. They had leaflets that they used to prove the phone in two thousand, and we sold thirty thousand units in a few months. However, due is speed between gradients.

And another brazil company, the iphone trademark, was only granted to gradients in two thousand and eight. Oh, this is going to be a little sticky wicket a year after the iphone has introduced. By that time, there were no longer selling phones. So apple has decided to, yeah, they made this may not actually work, although IT is in brazil so never know they're been battling in court is twenty thirteen .

and there's a quote from the company basically saying that, oh well, just we just don't want people continuing to say that we've ripped off this idea from apple.

Yeah it's probably not that that is I know this because of my dispute with twitter, right um there is something called reverse confusion where people assume the twit named itself after twitter even though twitter came later and our our trademark predated the existence of twitter and so um that's actually the biggest of my layer told me this the biggest payouts and lawsuits have come from reverse confusion where a small company that people assume all you, you ripped off the big company because you know you copy the and IT wasn't the case so they could go that's in the U S.

I don't know what brazil laws are, but anyway, interesting. When ever we gonna get a new iphone I, C, it's over a thousand days old, says mac. Rumors spring .

right now.

the spring release. No.

this is, is that the skinny one with no, the spring release, but rumor to be apple's .

first most apple .

investing. Part of the part of room that got my attention was that yet? And I C which means that you can expect IT to be like a sub five hundred or phone.

But I also will run apple intelligence, which implies that IT won't run an older processor um if nothing else I mean that has been like almost three years which means that this is the this the only current iphone the that actually that still has that thick like bezzle the top in the bottom like IT doesn't look IT looks like an old the iphone IT does not look like a modern thing um I it's begin my attention because i've been this year, I changed a lot of the tools that I used for what I do and a lot of my work workload. And so many times I thought, oh my god, if only I had illis for on my android phone, like at this moment, my life would be so much easier. And so like, the wheels in my brain are thinking that, well, you know, you don't actually own an iphone.

That does apple intelligence. So what if you were to buy the iphone S E. And write a bit about IT and then sort of Carry IT with you just as a host for like IOS apps or the IOS versions of mac apps that you use? Because the idea of running apple intelligence on in an expensive would a be very, very interesting.

And b but also sort of encourage people did not think of apple intelligence as just something that you get if you spend eight to one hundred to one thousand dollars for a phone. Because, remember german I and open a eye, they will run on nearly anything with a pulse because the although german I does have a run on device aspect to a IT can go run to mama up up in the cloud if IT doesn't have a computer. On the device to actually do IT um IT be IT would not be good to have a digital divide of that kind where you don't get any A I features unless you spend top lack for a phones. So i'm glad, I will hope this room more pans out because that would be a really interesting version of the S.

C. I wonder if this is where they're gna dump that processor that's also in the ipad mini. The is a seventeen pro from last year and it's on the old three nanometer process, but they apply in a big a big bucket of those processors that have been made that they need to put in products. And so they might stuff IT in there the base to get IT over to being apple intelligence on the phone.

A lot of times, those processes are almost free because there are the ones that didn't perform. They didn't perform the thing to say butter from the bin. yeah.

The question is just .

if that process is still running because IT was a dead in processor tmc, and if they want to retch that factory into doing something else. And I don't know enough about chips to know what plausible thing that is, but it's possible that they literally ran off a bunch of these and apple is collected them and basically bind them from other products and they're gna use the access on these smaller selling products like an iphone S, C.

And an ipad mini. Well, I don't know. You know, I don't know the details there, but that seems to be what's happening. So I would surprise me that's what they do.

Does the S, C. Sell that much more poorly than the big brothers.

I think.

So I would think that would sell Better because it's less expensive.

particular internationally where apple competing with android phones and the iphones, not the fact phone for kids, princess. I think I think they .

do on something that's available for for parents to buy for their kids if they don't want to spend a lot of money on something that they gonna AK. Um so I think that that that makes sense that I think a lot of the a lot of apple users, you go in thinking you're going to buy something basic and you're like that only hundred dollars more when to use this for a long time and next thing you know you spent sixteen hundred .

dollars and iphone to mention donuts and the simpsons tapped out that didn't really add up speaking to chips cording to mac rumors, APP or actually court according to the election, but that's in chinese so they've translated, apple has ordered him five chips ahead of the twenty twenty five late twenty thousand and twelve five production. The next chip is already in order. And I betch apple said, give us all the m five you can make you yes. Well, if they have to because no one else uses those.

I think yes, they a lot of the factories to do IT. And ah the thing is when this is a good example of a rumor that that happened, I think is probably is happening. But when people say apple pivoted in fall for a fall, you know, for a november release, just remember this this thing when we say years, years, I mean the design of that trippers on a year two ago and you know, you know and that's the that's the length of .

this tail I I had so the new star was, uh, show skettles yesterday and my friend taught the area who works at I O M said, you know, it's funny when you work on a project in secret for a year and a half and then suddenly everybody can see IT because he worked on skeleton and crew.

And I thought, this is exactly what the people with apple feel like, where they are working, you know, depending where you are in the funnel at apple, you are working on the news of twenty, twenty five or twenty, twenty six or even twenty twenty seven like, not even an R N D. Like if you're a chip designer, what are you on now? The seven like, it's a years long project.

I know we talk about IT here and that's why it's so frustrated when you see these articles that are like a apple turn on a time and change two month like that is not I mean, apple intelligence happened pretty fast. But to say that the chip that is driving apple intelligence was designed for apple intelligence is not true because, you know that chip had have been in process for a very long time. I do you think it's funny as as pat gelsinger leaves in til that uh and I don't think apple you know apple trains around the gun or anything like that. But when you think of the current state of intel IT is interesting to think that the maybe the best chips in the world are being designed by apple and faber ed, by T S M C. When you consider the fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, IT was very clearly until and intel, but we've come a long way and and these cutting edge fabs the t sm c is building and they're building him for apple's chips and that that the state of art right now.

Yeah I mean, that's a good point because there there was another few couple weeks ago with uh some the apple chip engineers on a podcast and freedom have the sitting front of me.

But what I remember is how we decided they were to talk about how like originally they were work like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, of course they were working on A I, but they were working mostly on machine language for new religion, chips that were mostly there to power, like computational hotoke phy on the iphone. But they told the story about how like that in twenty seventeen, like google research, publish there that paper on transformers that totally changed everything. And they started to like, not not like they were designing for a future product known as apple intelligence.

But oh my god, this is really, really cool. Like when we're designing more new neural relationships, less design IT to run. So that would be very, very capable of doing something like this, are running these kind of models. And that was like the foundational research that LED into apple intelligence. So yeah, I mean, we're talking about apple talked about apple intelligence chips this year, but even on the at a grassroots level, they've been thinking about the first past seven years.

Well, this article from mac rumors will actually presage a late twenty twenty five. Apple has pivoted from the the three nanometer process or the two animate process back to the three, because in fact, that's what this m five series is, is a three anomie, uh, ship. According to my numbers, apple and go, the two enemy to process for the and five is do primarily to cost considerations.

But the m five will have a lot of new features. This is a good article talking about those features, including csm c system and integrated ship technology, which they say is a three d chip stacking approach that enhances its thermal management, produces electrical leakage. So there are some new features in the m five, even if IT is not the two nanometer process. And watch for those articles in a year.

They piven, they failed. They failed. And you know, you can do a chip process shrink every year.

I an IT doesn't happen zero.

I made a joke about going to pico meters or whatever, but that somebody .

told me going .

to a single anomie is tends to low hundreds of molecules.

Think I still remember the conversation I was having with like a chip designer, like I think there was even ten years ago saying that they're starting to run up to problems where electrons are too big and too slow for what they for what they want to do with chip design. And that a lot they're there have to do a lot of like very creative problem solving to like package the sort of power and features that they want to have for the kind of test they are being contracted to.

There are ten extremes to every nanometer. So we are now going to the thirty and term design. Everybody, get ready.

We've got plenty of headroom. I don't know what evidence you get. The one extreme.

however, pretty glow to molecule, molecule, you know a couple of molecules that at that point.

what is the definition of an extreme? IT is IT is an extreme, is one ten billions of a meter, one hundred millions of a centimeter.

six thousand extremes, as the, as the wavelength, th of a red light.

the way of a hydrogen atoms is one point, one extremes. Oh my god. So we are basically at twenty hydrogen or thirty .

hyda omc level.

Yeah and you know I guess more is law is continuing. But at some point, don't you get quite get one of the quantum level you have also .

is a weird quantum. And a lot of the more is lost of what we've seen is that it's been things like they went two multiple designs to the cores and their C P, U S. And G P U.

cores. And the specialist course there is A I course like and now we've got this are talking about their three chip stacking. So you, you, you be able to be more efficient. So the process is keep shrinking, but remember more lies. And just about process shrinking, it's about about the .

the speed of the of the chip .

of transistors on IT. Yeah, the density of things to do here. But IT is amazing.

I mean, I was reading a story about sort of aware intel went wrong. And one of the things is that they held off on the the U. V, autographed longer than they should.

They were skeptical little bit. But this is the amazing thing, like chips are made by projecting light because we don't have tools small enough to make chips. So we have to project ultra Violet light and we have to use ultra Violet because we need a little frequencies that will go right onto .

it's amax years ago that basically talked about how essentially gutenberg's printing press started the cheap revolution because essentially making chips is all about how fine detail can you print on a surface.

So was one those yeah, yeah, yeah. So now, in hindsight, apples move away. Intel looks to be pretty precious.

Intel, in fact, continues its troubles pack. Gelsinger, the CEO has brought into save. Intel has announced his retiring immediately.

Yeah this retired. And right now, I mean, it's not just it's funy because we think about the in terms of apple leaving intel for apple silicon, but the real move was with the founding of apple silicon because that was a case where ARM ARM processors were going to give mobile devices what they needed and intel processors weren't and up. And until l just missed IT like they just missed and IT was and and I mean, they're a lot.

Then thomson is written about this a lot on strategy ory, I think very intelligently which is typical for band stupid and thus and so smart but um about how you know pack elser should really not be blamed because like he was there when they he maybe he was trying to solve the problem that was too late to be solved. Is possibly the case. But like the mistake that happened before, he was the person in charge in into, because they just, they just missed so badly.

And now the question is, are they gonna stay as one business? Uh, how do they deal with the fact that the U. S.

Government has try to give them a lot of money so that there's an american company making chips, but they are not really as good at making chips as they used to be. T, S, M, C is eating. They're lunch there.

And what's the board gonna who are they? Onna hire. And there are some rumors about like john y rug I from apple but .

H I think she's already .

turn them down and I don't know why you take that job. So it's an interesting question about the future of intel. But yeah, apple good not to have any eggs in that desk right now.

IT. Turns out this has been in a long time coming. Mars chain, who's the founder of T S. M. C, was britain autobiography.

And according to the autobiography, tim cook met with chain in twenty eleven, already thirteen years ago, kind of gift at intel, and said, and jank said, yeah, we should talk about making chips for apple. According to the book, cook was left and impressed by intel contract manufacturing capabilities. He told, saying that in the meeting, and that was the beginning of the apple moving to T S M. Sea back in twenty twenty. And that's until the fatal flaw.

right? Because you know the problem of intel is that they're fab and their a chip designer. And so apple came and said, we have an armed chip that we designed and we want you to make IT. And until was like now we're not into that you can use our chip and and and that's the I mean, really they should have and glass or thought against this, I think for a while, but like they should have split into .

do businesses A A and .

chip designer ah and tells a business .

model was integrated where they would design. And bill, yes. And in fact, that's exactly about gelling.

You're said we're going to split this into two parts of foundry and you the designer in the manufacturer, the fab in the foundry. But I just was too little, too late. I gate yeah, the real question is .

the american government, right? Because the U. S. Government, the chips act in all of that. And so who knows what's going to happen in the trouble administration.

But there's this feeling like we don't really want a taiwanese company and T S M C is great, that the fear is that that china invites one and our chip making capacity is gone. Which is why, to be fair, T S M C is also building factories in the U. S. As a part of that deal. So but like til.

it's just got IT almost eight billion dollars under the chips act. Yeah, but they have to .

have to follow the rules is the thing that they have to give IT back. And that's one of the chAllenges is how are they going to invest in fabs as per the chips act in order to keep that money if if they're pivoting to design and not to away from fabs, which is what gelsinger was trying to do, the board of its away from that.

Do they give the money back? Do they try to spend IT out? I believe there's a string attach where they can actually diverse themselves of their fat business.

They have to keep ownership of a high percentage of IT like it's it's a mess. It's a mess. And I hope .

everything S I think the speculation is going to take twenty thirty until there could be a meaningful chip production capability inside the us. Yeah and that that is like how many administrations between now and then. And it's gonna to be mature leadership that basically says this is important thing.

IT will not be done on any one administrations watch. We have to make, make investments and make assurances and make alliances to make sure this key strategic capability is within the united states by a certain time line. Whenever that happens, remember, the china at some point was not a manufacturing powerhouse.

They made IT a government priority, saying that we gonna make sure that we get manufacturing ing here. They, when, uh, sanctions basically cut them off from american chip design, they said, okay, this things, but we're going to have to learn how to design steel manufacturer our own chips. And now they're finally in the position where they can start making stuff that completely home grown and now they don't have dependency on other countries necessarily, uh, for that manufacturer. So it's you can you can put people on the moon as on his acute water and expect to be beyond Green time, uh greeting people walking on the moon to a three years later, you basically have to design the cathedral, prove the cathedral, put in the infrastructure of the cathedral and be pleased three years after .

you on the moon is that what you're going?

Musk says once he was on on mars first to prove the visibility of IT.

It's very small, but it's only about eighty .

extra back or twelve twelve different shades of red. But but that may that that but you know what I mean, like you, the people who to bed inside, okay, a cathedral goes here, knew that they will not live long enough to actually see this thing be built. But they have to realize that that's not my job here. My job here to make sure that I set up the machine that is insurable and is forward progress that will not be ended like three three years before it's done. IT will be ended when it's actually finished.

And of course, the united states become the shortest term planning country. You know I mean we don't think yeah than three months.

You although there are some examples like this. The the space program staff started, you know, trump administration started IT by administration continued. And that's what I was gonna is this needs to be like like that there were little pockets in the government where there has been continuity between these various administrations. And if we if if we are serious about america's chip making capacity, this needs to be one of those areas where there is consistent behavior, and we'll see what where that happens or not.

It's that uncertainty that is causing all the is career .

government workers. They're the backbone of keeping every country working. The ones they .

there are ten extremes in each anx stable.

It's also why sort sort rattling is not like china is making all this noise about the fact that they want that they may take taiwan or they're not going to rule that out of whatever. It's just generating trillions of dollars of movement. Know that that around them IT just .

seems like such an unforced error.

I but it's a good example of them going down this path of saying all the stuff that scares are everybody of companies moving out of their countries and their there's all this there's all this movement that you've created because you know the threats and you know it's just it's crazy thing to do.

One a world. One a world. All right, let's take a little break when we come back your picks of the weeks. So gentlemen, start your engines. You watch your mac break weekly, andy anaho from G B H in boston when you could be on G B H next.

I like this week, but next thursday, twelve forty five.

I was asking that question. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. I H N A T, K, O, I have no idea how to spell IT. Alex linsey, office hours duck global got something .

exciting going on this .

week as having .

a chat with man movie today.

You're going to be Better sooner than me though.

in the test case. And he's sure that works with me and then he's ready for you.

I think in january. So that's exciting. And uh, in office hours, anything to report you going to .

continue to see us, uh, test right now we're chest in hg. We are talking about this. Hg p. It's a little bright right now because we're figuring out some color correction stuff. So you're going to see uh but we're still every day we're just answering people's questions um and uh um we've got um of course evening show on both um monday that's the extra hours and on thursdays which is will run down um and but every morning for hour, we have some about one hundred years, hundred fifty years of expertise that is down and answers random questions about media production and which is and then one of things we ve gotten really good at as we have this great chat that is all tied into what we're doing and we're using IT more because we realize there's all these experts that are in the jet um in our chat that are uh you know that really know a lot that are from all these broadcast companies and and post companies. And so so it's now even though there's six or eight or ten people in the panel is also another fifty two, one hundred that are doing stuff that were kind incorporating into that into that conversation. So it's you you're going to see keep on evolving that as we look forward.

Quite exciting. It's one. And from six colors to com. Jason snow, you said you took a little time off thanksgiving, but the six college never sleeps.

Well, I mean, we were a little sleepy. I was very happy to see that a couple articles got posted while I was, uh, away, uh, I was quite weak.

But now we have .

weekly post from john mos. He right links, a funny links column on .

friday for our man have is IT a secret? What john used to be, it's not.

It's an open. It's an open secret. He's find we talking about john mod, sometimes is the map there, I said, but sometimes he said he did the crazy up a rumor side for a long time.

He writes under his name and the other name at mac world now when he write a nice fun thing. And then Shelley, brisbane, e and jerod and steel also right sort of occasion post for six dollars. But it's primarily me in dane.

So it's the latest episode upgrade five forty validation for shower. Jason, i'm not sure I wants .

to know it's a good episode. Well, actually we had a whole thing and you all will understand this too. It's a troubleshooting brain that you have if you're a technet where you somebody is a problem and they come to you and and you we've seen so many mistakes, so many problems with tech. And you know this from your radio show.

That is actually the first example where you .

build a perfect trouble shooting machine and then turn IT on, turn IT off. Why don't you restart the computer? I did that over thanksgiving break, but I can be like shower.

Jason is, i'm listened to a podcast in a shower. I can only listen to podcast when I shower and when I walk my dog. Those are my listing times.

And my friend Steven hacker was selling a story on this podcast about how he and his wife's apple watches both suddenly had battery life problems. Which is really weird, right, that they both had that simultaneously. And I knew that he changed his wifi network last week to a different hardware.

I, I, I literally reached out of the shower to the phone and a text saying, have you checked the life? And h, he was the guest on upgrade, uh, yesterday and he and he tells the story and he says, I think IT is the wifi. And that was my validation for shower, Jason, that I was like because because there was a little thing that ticked in my brain, and we all have this words like what what change.

And I just thought, we all know that mobile devices, if they have trouble connected to a network, whether it's wifi or your cellar or network, if you're out the woods or something, your family will get hot, like IT is expanding. It'll crank up the power on that radio to try and make a solid signal. And I thought, what if his new wife base stations, the the watches are having trouble connecting or they're not seeing one, but they're seeing the other or they have to crank up the power in order to compensate and that straining the battery essentially invisibly. And I think maybe that is actually the answer. So but know, this happens like I .

was something about the shower. It's my theory that the heat is opening up blood vessels and making your brain work Better.

There's something that could be or even the you know the isolation of the focus like I if I not listen to anything in the shower, that's where I and stating and if I am listening because I want to focus on something other than the shower and just get through IT. But anyway, computer nds know what i'm talking about that we all get thanksgiving is a perfectly example. You all get told time to do some trouble shooting. And some of those problems are actually really like my father in law had a whole problem where his mouse, he said sometimes was um was giving a context menu when he clicked instead of a regular click and like what he didn't see context menu right, he was like .

menu appears pop up.

And I observe this and I thought about for a while, and I think you know what I think is actually happening as I think that as he's using his mouse gradually over time is his hand is just sort of sliding to the right and then he doesn't realize IT, but he's right clicking when he thinks that he's left clicking.

I think that's actually but again, it's just because i've been doing this for so long now of that I have and then he suggests it's not working that the male is an opening, right? And uh, uh, uh, I can keep on apple mail and nothing can happen and I said, well, let's restart this computer and then I walked away because I was super confident in that. And then a minute later, he shouted from the other room, it's working now. And why do we turn IT .

off and turn IT back on? Hey, a little programing. Note about our old friend a.

Ritchie. I watched a long video from him. Me too, he has moved to san Frances go.

And an even more exciting note, he's got a new girl who moved with him, Better known Kelly, who is Better known as lurries Patrick rea. Ritchie and lurries are an item. congratulations.

Is so great to hear IT and welcome to a to a california rena Richie and sanford disco were going to have to figure out a way to get him up into our attic studio. Just really happy. So you're renne Ritchie fan.

He still working at youtube. In fact, probably that's wise in some parties. Go now seems like that's a Better place for him to be the montreal all for working at youtube and his channel is is there youtube that comes on ray Richard? And you can read his update or listen to his update.

I should say there. So good on you. Renne and Kelly. I'm very happy .

to hear my baby people in the world.

Wow, that's so cool. It's really happy to hear that I have my own little a personal youtube channel, which isn't very active. You know, every once want to do some gaming, but IT has been active in the month of december because we've been doing the advent of code. And I have been live streaming, which is a crazy thing to do, live streaming, the coding. These are started nine p pacific midnight eastern when the advent of code chAllenge comes out in the first twenty five days of september to get IT.

It's an advent calendar and it's been a lot of fun in h three of our toward real programmer from the club um sighs a paul li and dan oke have been getting on saying, leo, you might want to check that parenthesis there IT seems misplace show is a and it's been very helpful and a lot of fun so we'll do that again. I guess ll do IT again to nine P M pacific for day four of the event of code. They get progressively more difficult.

Uh, which means, uh, at some point in the next few days, i'm gonna hit a, hit an impossible wall. I'll be like that saber rattling against the soccer wall, and I will have to go to bed before actually solve that. But this is kind of fun, I do, at an emails and common lisp.

And we get we get the chat going with IT and and we also get some really fun people popping in a little bit. So just thought i'd mentioned that youtube duck come slashed old port, our picks of the week coming up in dock rock, who is in the discord, says don't make IT too expensive guys. You just spend a lot of money on three printer all right, all right. Dock rock, we're going to get inexpensive pics of the week or maybe not, maybe not. You watch a mac rate weekly.

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Jae is now you yours isn't onna be expensive?

No, I mean, you got to have a vision though. So I assume you've already spent that money.

And yeah, I just to convention this simply.

piano has been out for a while like it's a great ipad APP to teach people how to play the pio and they just announced a vision conversion and I got to try IT. In fact, just this morning I tried that out and it's pretty amazing because IT will um like if you have a keyboard or a piano I set down on my piano and IT has you like uh calibrate its piano to ear piano at which point um as its teaching you you how to play the piano, it's lighting up the keys and actually IT shows you the finger notation floating on your hand of like which finger is which finger .

for for one five play the piano .

ready or I want to make up a joke of simpson still here and i'm not going to do IT。 Ah yes I I took uh I took piano lessons as a kid and so I still sort of know how to play the piano um but I feel .

like I should this the next thing for me as an aging brain. They say it's very good to learn an instrument well simply piano.

I mean even on the ipad is very clever because he uses the microphones so would have you play along. And I knows when you're playing the right note, but with on the vision pro IT will you know it's marking up your hands, uh, and it's marking up the keyboard with light lighting IT up and if you don't have a keyboard, you can actually take a flat surface and play IT like a keyboard.

It'll lay down a virtual keyboard for you using the vision pro and then you can play those virtual keys and that will work too. Very clever. I just as an education APP using a virtual overlay.

It's a really interesting idea for an APP. It's already, I think, a very successful ipad APP. But I love they're trying IT on on vigon pro. And my one two minutes with that this morning, I was really impressed. That looks like a great way for people .

to learn how to play the piano. Very interesting. I do feel like that would be good for my brain to learn to play the. And I think if I were going to learn that that would be the piano, because then you could every other instrument right with this.

it's true. Get a USB keyboard attached IT to logic garage band. And then you've got every instrument, every instrument.

Yeah, maybe that is my my project after the advent of code, busy right now. And in that, go pick of .

the week with holiday shopping in mind when my favorite little like decorative items like apple, apple mac related, like ornaments, uh, there is the company called classic bot that makes these beautiful, like, a little like figures of classic like apples. Uh, they've got the happy classic pot, which is like a makeup classic, which comes with the A D, B keyboard that comes with a little fun D A move suitcase comes with little mouse. Uh, the of the eyes boy, which is amazing because IT looks like a classic, uh, ipod, but also has a magnetic attachment so that you put up legs on, that you have arms, you like .

position so yeah yeah and I just .

I just noticed that they just are taking preorders on an apple two e like, oh, I have a classic I ipod. I can say they're not dirt cheap like fifty box each, but there are small .

company that do. They made that of uh very.

very hard like plastic slash risom. It's very, very solid. The details that are carved in there are sharply and Price when you get IT like you know that this is a very, very well made well design products not just oh well, we just made a three d print of something and then we just throw throw these things up.

No, no, these are professionally manufactured. They're nicely boxed like it's from a real design studio, real company. Uh, and I recently found out that he really is pretty much of one person Operation that that I was reminded of that because you posted on on a reddit forum with A A uh a uh discount code for Christmas.

You use the code xmas two two o two four. You will get a discount on your order. Um the problem is the only hitch is that they are he is based in the U. K. So a i'm recommending IT now because if you want to get IT as a gift for somebody else and IT is really nice gift for for an apple friend, uh, IT will take a couple of weeks to arrive. Also, maybe you're onna hit me, hit with us some shipping costs, but don't be fry. I again, I ordered both of these like when they came out and have been as every time every time like I just did every time I does that shelf and I put like the map in a different position or I have I have like the ipod um interacting with alex is action figure from star wars IT gives me pleasure every single time.

This has been a very good investment. Enjoy very nice happy classic boat from classic bot dot com designer toys, figures and guy culture, I guess, is more than just a apple stuff.

The things you can also get, like a little display that IT has, like three d versions of, like classic mac, like the map by cons. Again, it's worth checking out. again. You can see the love and you can see like the determination to create a really great product. And all this, this entire product.

i'm very happy to support. Awesome, awesome. Thank you. Andy, alex, linsey exceed me.

You're pic of the week. So I didn't need this. I get on looking at IT going for a lot of a lot of the years like I really like have something a test top charger.

I have a lot of place charging and I just want to something on the top had a nice display and I told me what was still charging and how much is that actually pulling. And so this is uh this is from, oops, this is from anchor. You can see I bought IT on the twenty first so um IT didn't send IT to me uh and I went on sale.

That's what turned the corner for me so instead one hundred sixty nine dollars I was like, no, that's too much for this. At one hundred nine I was like, you know short some charges. I got to move some charges around.

It's really nice. So is one it's again charges. So it's going to do things prety quickly. A max is out of one hundred and forty watts um so he really is able to charge just about anything you need, not something you put in your bag. This is something kind but it's also not a charger that you go traveling with um which I I I kind of want IT I very specifically wanted something that .

I wouldn't canalized .

it's on the desk IT IT. Does the thing you .

need to do .

is I don't know what is the knob to the nob. Let you there's some selections that you can make.

so it'll change.

slow down and let you go through each one and see how much is using the some data there to figure IT out over the top. But anger, anger really just corner the market of great charges and um and and great batteries. I use a lot of their stuff.

We did years ago when we were still in the new screen service, we had something come on and talk about alam s and technology and how IT was going to be a revolution. And so far, it's only been in charges and all wards and things like that, but still interesting technology.

I won't buy a charger that isn't yeah again again like why does no.

Like, ah thank you alex, I have a pic. Um thanks to school direct thank you school direct who posted in the discord. You can now put marathon on your iphone.

The the classic marathon games are available on the APP store. They have all three classic marathon. Now there's a history of this because we played marathon like crazy all back in the middle nineties on the set of the site, which was the nc. We played .

at user back in the day, multi player.

and that to a ty.

And so one of the best things about this, according to bungee, and this is all due to the the the people who've been keeping the court alive and porting IT in all of these things. Um IT IT is apparently cross play compatible. So if you've got ipads, max, anybody who can run is on steam as well.

Who can run these things? Apparently, IT is cross play compatible, so you could do these. amazing. Some of the best network play maps ever made, especially marathon infinity, just was mostly .

about the mult.

just so good, so good.

I was told carston bondy are my producer for many years, told me, yeah, we all got together behind the scenes and decided to ganging up on leo in all fire, a rocket launches at them at the same time, which blue straight up in .

the year we used. When I work to the game company, you know, you had in the early days of marathon, you had to turn, you had to restart your computer, hold down the shift key to get rid of all extensions because of wise, you won't get full for me. yeah.

So we get about six o'clock in the evening. We always work in. And something here, someone go down and.

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um we would use the conference uh call and speaker phone mode in the office so that all of us who were playing, we're on speaker with each other because I didn't new auto or something and that was always great when you'd shoot somebody with a rocket launcher and not only on the speaker phone.

but you could actually hear them screaming.

That was me in the cubicle somewhere. IT was the Robin loyal a who is now my editor. Macroasia, we oh man, because we are.

Mauser was in Foster city. We arrived by the same matteo bridge and several of us lived in the ebay. And for non bay area people, trust me, commute, uh, evening e bound on the cemetery bridge.

IT is back up and back up and back again. So I am for a while there at a window. We also like a website.

We would go check the traffic. I roman would go to one end and look at the, at the, at the back up. And then we would decide, okay, let's just place more because we couldn't go home like there was too much traffic.

So we were just key playing at. Those are good times, and and the amErica I APP legitimately. I mean, not only is this what LED to budi getting bought by microsoft and doing halo and doing destiny, but they were ground breaking.

They were mac only, which was amazing. But the multiplayer with a maps, and there was a map editor that you could get, they put so much effort into those multiplayer maps being good, and they were so you could play, capture the flag or so. And then you ran around and they tried to kill you and and you won by time.

Literal is like first person to hold the ball for five minutes wins. amazing. Just good, just really good maps and good game. great.

Ours get. One of our wives would call and the the goal was more making noise and and so you be talking to your your wife and me like, yeah, i'm just i'm going to be ond my way in a second and then someone would so would fire or the or or the fire missile and and and then I was like.

that that unit 个， i mean， why do you stay so late every night? They work. You master chief mode is ninety nine cents.

Hd mode is two bucks enhanced, ridicules a buck. There are is free. Within that purchases, you can get some tips and so forth. But I think .

this is the good they open source is before they were about my microsoft um and so um so that I think is all an open source project but the uh yeah just in but I um they have .

a if you look for .

a there's a they did um A A trailer for the new new marathon um I don't oh when it's going to come out but that was that came like a year ago a year and go yeah it's .

unclear yeah I mean it's it's a it's a different. It's an a council game. I think it's going to be A P C.

As well. But they are they're reviving that marathon. I, P. But it's also great that they are embracing the classic stuff, which is awesome.

And thanks to wither link, there is he's passing along the information. There is a marathon server. So if you don't have friends, we play hammer .

that over one time there is a mac break where this is early on. Mac break that where I said, hey, we're all gonna to the server and play and these poor folks that play all the time, suddenly there was like three hundred people that showed about nowhere and start playing there like you're ruin our server so um so don't do that. No it's but it's but it's a good server and don't do IT all the same time. I don't tell IT L H O W O N .

yeah I use marathon infinity is .

if you want to do a multiplayer that it's got a small one player campaign. But IT was made for the multiplayer maps. It's the best experience.

But I think they were still boasting like that. The frame rates are apparently really good, that they did some great work. The the whole team, that is the alf one team that cover keep the flame going with the support of the people with bunch. So it's always nice and really is like proto halo, like right down the fact there are many, many, many, many things in halo where if you play marathon you'll be like, oh my that oh I see that's where that came from yeah search .

for a also some of the art work I can think of is name right now is painter um that did all these incredible um uh concept art so you do with marathon game concept art, you'll see these incredible painting that he did that that kind of also expanded anyone really really I think .

I won the back of the week. This week I .

play marathon.

Yeah IT is, hey, that we should do that in a in in and we do we we mean for you .

can find the rocket launchers .

at me though OK, and what what do you .

do that it's gonna en.

Do you need a waterboard for those kind .

of different games?

Probably to get with the ball, you can have the ball.

I can be the ag person is running, running.

and they can be the other from the side.

If you have the ball, you don't shoot, right? You just run, just run you the ball.

you .

don't get to run to walk.

I I tell this like I i've been writing like a thousand words, at least a thousand words everyday like since I was like eight hundred and and nineteen. I don't have carpool tunnel syndrome. I don't have any like injuries anything like I still as well yeah and so thing every time I tried to play like a really fast action game, like my hands keep my my hand kills for like foreign tes, I realized that, okay, if I keep doing that, maybe I won't be able to type without pay.

You have to build up those muscles. So it's all just, it's wait, lifting for your thumb.

You just want somebody in the game who's easy to kill.

Not me this time, not me, boys. Boy, lot of fun. Alright, we will do that.

If you're a club member, watch for an announcement because we will do a marathon, marathon. How about that? This is nell.

Six colors. S I come. Thank you, my friend. Always great to see you. We'll see back here next .

few week going to be here. Yeah, great.

Alex linzie ice hours to global. And of course, if you want to hire office hours, the office hours legend zero nine zero dot media is daytime b although you know what exactly he shows up for that. But no, you actually do. I would not more travel with them. I know, right?

I am. And we're doing some myself if we can talk about more from the futures. awesome.

Yeah ah and thank you and the anaho W G B H boston critics, all three of you. We do mac break weekly every tuesday, eleven a empiric to pm eastern time, one thousand nine hundred hundred UTC. We streamed on those live, on those platforms.

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