Fueling Your Legacy with Sam Knickerbocker: New Year, New Goals
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Welcome to another episode of Breaking Battlegrounds with yours Chuck Warren. I'm Sam Stone. As always, this time of year, we like to move into talking about some things that maybe can help you improve your life and improve the world around you. And in that vein, our first guest up today is Sam Knickerbocker, the host of Fuel Your Legacy podcast, where he helps individuals align their financial decisions with their values to build meaningful, lasting legacies. Sam Knickerbocker, welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks for having me. So you talk in there about aligning your finances with your values. What do you mean by that? So the simple answer is how are you – a lot of people, they don't know how they're spending their money or they want – they say they want certain things. They write all these goals for New Year's resolutions, whatever. But then when you actually look at how they're spending their money, they're not putting any of their resources towards what they say they want. Right.

And most people don't actually even know how to analyze or look at where they're spending their money on an effective, consistent basis. They maybe do it once or twice a year when they realize they've overdrafted their account, but they don't really do it consistently. And so I help people first identify what do you actually want and then analyze where's your money going? How do we get more of the money going towards what you actually want rather than all of the things that you've been commercialized sold?

to spend your money on, but put you in the driver's seat of your finances. Sam, as you talk to these people who attend your lectures, who come to you for advice and do your program, how many actually really know what they want?

Very few, actually. Again, a lot of people, they know what they have been told they should want from their family, their friends, their coworkers, their bosses, TV, whatever. And so that's why it's not necessarily talking about what they want, but more about their values. Like, what are their values really?

when it comes to their family? What are their values when it comes to their faith? What are their values when it comes to their fitness? Do they value being healthy, not being healthy? Because if you don't care about your health, then who cares where you eat?

But if you do care about your health and you're eating at fast food joints all the time, but you don't realize that there's a disconnect there, then we can say, hey, look, just buy more groceries instead of fast food, and then you can hit both goals at the same time. So it's about asking a lot of questions to help them identify that. Well, you bring up a very important topic. Sam and I are getting a little long in the tooth, me a little longer than Sam's.

And I told this past year, I've told a lot of people, I think as you get older, one of the one of the issues that really puts the fear of God into people as they get older is what is my legacy going to be? And that's it's a word you talk about. And it strikes me. And I said, there's nothing but more depressing than being older and realizing you're, you know, you're you're well past the mid of the book that you have regrets.

So you talk about values here. Do people even know what that you we talk about legacy. They don't know what it wants to be. They talk about what do they want financially. Don't they know what their value? Do you feel people really have taken the time to understand what their values are? Because until you understand that, which I'm sure you help them do, they can't really make progress.

Yeah, I would agree with you. Most don't. And so there's a lot of tools out there. I created a tool that walks you through ranking your value system off of different things and just, okay, juxtaposing, do I care about my family more than I care about sports? Do I care about my family more than I care about my health? Do I care about my family? So you're juxtaposing and saying, okay, no. And it's really a process of discovery. There's no one-size-fits-all or this should be. For a long time, I'll just be vulnerable for myself.

I was told that family should be a value of mine for a long time, but I was in the business of building a business. And so my family was getting the short end of the stick. And it wasn't until I had somebody coach me and say, well, you don't really value your family right now. I was like, okay, you're right. I don't. And so I moved my family down on my value system, which maybe you shouldn't, but it was in an effort to be honest with where I was actually at.

and then making the intentional efforts to put my family back up at the top of my value system. But it didn't happen overnight and it started with me identifying what my current value system, like what was my habitual value system? And then saying, okay, what do I want my value system to be? And then what changes need to be made to shift my value system?

So how long did that shift in your value system take? So you sort of came to the conclusion that you can't do two things great at once. So you focused on your business and then you moved your family up. How did your spouse handle that?

I mean, she was glad to have more time with me. So that was a good thing. But when you said, I got to focus on this first, which means I'm going to less time with my family. I guess that's what I'm doing. So how does she handle that? Because to me, that conversation means you had to be very clear in your communication. That's a tough conversation. Yeah. I mean, it's very honest and I doubt many people have it. So my question is, how did she handle that and how was her support of it? How long was that timeframe? Yeah. So I would say it was probably two years. But when I say like my family got moved down on the value system,

to be clear in my mind, maybe my family was always important, but what happens a lot of people is they get stuck in this financial cycle where they're overspending and they haven't had clear communications with their spouses. So their spouses are overspending because they don't know what the money's happening. And so then the income earning spouse is working a lot. So they say, oh, my family's important to me, but they're spending eight hours, nine hours a day working, two hours traveling, and most of their time and energy is spent working. So in that scenario,

You can't tell me your value system is your family while you're spending all of your time with your coworkers and your business. I won't buy it. I'm not going to accept it. We can say my value system is earning money right now and my family is second, and that's okay, and that's going to shift over time. So that's a game plan of, hey, how long does my value system need to be financial security before my family? And then that switches once you reach financial security.

I think what you're talking about makes a lot of sense to me. And I wonder if most people, if they're looking at this, understand that you're not talking about downgrading your priority for your family, just in terms of understanding that for you to build them up your priority list, to give them a higher degree of your time and your intellectual and emotional resource, you had to clear that hurdle first and

How much is patience part of what you teach for this? Because it doesn't seem like these are changes that come quickly or easily. So, yeah, so patience is a funny word because it means the ability to experience delay and like waiting for something without frustration. So I don't really believe much in patience. I would say consistency and dedication. That's absolutely crucial because there's a lot of days where you don't want to do anything.

you need to do to hit your goals. In fact, most days you don't want to do it. And so you got to have a good support system and have your spouse or, and if you don't, you're not married,

then find somebody that you can trust and say, hey, here's my goals. And that kind of fits into my, when we're talking about legacy, we've all heard of smart goals, specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and time bound. But I teach how to build a smart legacy is it needs to be sexy enough that it actually holds your attention for a sustained period of time. It needs to be massive enough that you can't accomplish it by yourself. You have to involve other people. It needs to be

It needs to be audacious so that it creates separation. You know who actually supports you and the people who are just kind of fly-on-the-wall watchers. Remarkable so that it gets talked about so you get some more help. And then transparent. If you're not being transparent with your goals because you think you can accomplish them yourself, then you're probably never going to reach anything of significance.

We are with Sam Knickerbocker, great last name. He is the host of the Fuel Your Legacy podcast. So you've interviewed a lot of entrepreneurs. What have you learned while having your podcast that you've been able to not only learn but implement in your life?

I think the biggest thing that I am implementing right now, so it's on top of my mind, is I've been interviewing a lot of people about how to either better manage my time or be a better father and a better husband. So really focusing in on that aspect of how do I live the way I want to be remembered? Because if you're just on your deathbed and you're like, I hope you remember me this way, but you didn't live a day of your life that way,

then you're going to be remembered how you live rather than how you want to be remembered. And so I've been really focusing in asking entrepreneurs, successful CEOs, how did you do both? How did your effect on your family? And when should you make that jump to making family the highest priority rather than the income generation? What mistakes do you say, what mistakes do you see today's parents making when they're trying to create a lasting legacy for their family and children? Yeah.

lack of clarity, both in what they're trying to create, what values they're trying to transfer to their children and enlisting their children in the family vision rather than the man or the, the main income spouse having a vision for their life, the spouse, hopefully supporting that. And the children just like not really being involved in the family income. Um,

Like if there's a vision for how we all want to progress together, then for me, a lot of my support system is my kids reminding me, Hey, how many families did you help today? How many people did you impact? And I've got them enlisted in that vision. And so I think there's just needs to be more family involvement in

in the process to achieve whatever we're trying to accomplish. Do you think it's important as part of that communication to focus on aligning your values and expectations and coming up with a shared agreement for what those are or will be? I think that there needs to be that communication between two spouses. My current perspective is that I'm

not just like a father, I'm not supposed to be domineering over my children, but I'm here to train them. And it's one of the blessings that we get to inculcate or promote our belief system into our children. And everybody has that same right. Some people, I think, oh, maybe we shouldn't

give that right to you. But there's other people who think that about me, you know, so I can hold space and be compassionate towards those individuals. But at the end of the day, I'm not giving my children the choice of what values I'm going to teach them. However,

I do allow them choice in how they effectuate those values. So I believe in excellence. I believe in being the greatest that you can be at whatever you choose. One of my children loves art, so I want to help him become the greatest at that. Or the other child, he likes video games, and I'm not against video games. How does he get the best at that? So maybe he can be a drone pilot. Maybe he can be a surgeon. Maybe he can do something else with it. But how do you become the best in the world at something? And what's that thing? You can choose a thing. I just want you to be the best at it.

We have just about a minute left in this segment. We're going to be coming back with more in our next segment from Sam Knickerbocker. You can find him at SamKnickerbocker.com. He is the host also of the Fuel Your Legacy podcast. Sam, where do people find your podcast? Is it available on all the typical podcast sites or primarily via your website there?

No, it's on all the podcast websites. Facebook is really taking off. Not Facebook. YouTube is really taking off right now. So that's an easy place where you can not just hear the podcast but watch it, see the guests. And if you want to do that or if you just want to listen to it, then watch it.

You can go to my website and there's all the links right there. So it's a central hub. Whichever service you use, it's on there. Brilliant. We're going to be coming back with more from Sam Knickerbocker in just a moment. And stay tuned. We're doing something a little different. Normally we hold our segment called Kylie's Corner, which details all sorts of crazy murder and mayhem going on in the country and around the world. We hold that for our podcast segment only. We're actually going to be introducing the radio listeners to that. So stay tuned for the second half of the program because you're not going to want to miss that.

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Many people struggle with limiting beliefs about money. What advice would you give folks to break free from those patterns? And I guess I should back up. What are some of those limiting beliefs? I think a...

Probably one of the biggest limiting beliefs is that they are not worth it, that they don't have enough value to offer to the marketplace, so they're just stuck with whatever somebody else chooses to pay them, rather than flipping the equation around and saying, these are the values that I can offer. Who's willing to pay me what I want for those? So just a worth issue, really. Do you find females have a harder time with this than males?

I would say it depends. I think males naturally assume their value is a lot higher than what they're actually providing for the marketplace. And women undervalue it just completely.

By role positioning in our society, it's definitely not true. In fact, the economic value, if you Google the economic value of a stay-at-home mother, is somewhere between, depending on the research that you look at, $250,000 to $317,000 worth of economic value that's provided by a stay-at-home parent. So very few people in America are providing that much value to the actual marketplace, and yet...

that the worth of it isn't being communicated to the stay-at-home parent, and so then that doesn't get transferred properly. But when I can help somebody see that all that same value is being already exchanged, we just need to get the financial compensation for it, then it really frees people up to see themselves better and bigger and with ability to provide more value to society.

What's an example in this vein of a mindset shift that really helps someone transform their future? Well, for me, it's first like writing down all the lists that you do. A lot of people don't recognize what they're doing. And then you just Google it.

what is the value of this? So you're starting to see the value. Rather than looking at money as a dollar number, if we look at it as value, because we don't have control over the dollar, the federal government does, but we have control over what value we exchange. And so if we stop talking about money in context of dollars and cents and start talking about it in terms of value, even just closing your eyes and saying, how much would I sell a day of my life for?

People vary on that number, but virtually nobody comes out of that experience saying, "Oh yeah, you know, a hundred bucks is good. I'll let you control eight hours of my life for a hundred bucks."

Nobody wants to make that exchange. And this is maybe a little provocative, so cut it out if you don't want it. But one of the concepts I teach is like, we're just a prostitute for corporate America. Like so many people are corporate prostitutes. They're just going to the highest bidder for their time rather than determining their value and asking and demanding their value. And so we got to get out of that mindset. And so really identifying what value am I offering?

And then once that shifts, it's generally something you can't unsee because of cognitive dissonance. You either are going to increase your income. It's going to naturally flow that way. Or you're going to violate what you know to be true. And that hurts your self-image until you change that behavior. How much do sort of fear of uncertainty, fear of the unknown –

put those guardrails up in people's way? Probably a lot less than I think. I think a lot of the fear comes from fear of rejection. When somebody, when your society or your friend group has kind of placed you in a spot in their life as far as what your value is, then if you change that, the biggest thing people are going to lose is relationships because the people around them aren't comfortable with them outshining them and they were comfortable with you being subpar. And so it...

You know, it's like the earlier section I was talking about, like, what's the highest value? Are you prepared to lose some relationships? Are you prepared to lose some family members that maybe are your mom, your dad, whatever, that always wanted you to play small? And you said, you know what? You're going to thank me for playing bigger once I'm done. In my book, The Nine Pillars to Build a Meaningful Legacy, which you can download on my website, it actually, the first one is who are the haters? Who are the people who actively try and tear you down? That's

That's the first question. Identify those. Second is how are they? How is their life going to be better when you succeed? Right. Because right approach from an energy of love and and creation rather than fear. We're not trying to prove somebody wrong. We're trying to help somebody believe that I'm no more valuable than you. You have just as much value as I do.

Let's show it to the world. And sometimes we need a guide. We need somebody to help us show that to the world. Well, that brings up my next question, probably our final question for this here. Years ago, I attended a conference with my father who owned a dental lab. And they had one of the main speaker at this forum was a gentleman who just made tons of money owning a bunch of dental labs. They were huge. And so he was going through all the things he did.

And a gentleman raises his hand and says, why are you teaching us all this? Aren't you afraid we're going to do it and take over your business? Fair question, right? He says, no, because you'll forget about it in 48 hours. Yeah. He wishes you did it. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, we talk about changing habit mindsets for people. It's sort of like New Year's resolutions, right? People, I'm going to lose weight, I'm going to do this, and by next week or two, the gym's empty again. What do you think people can do

that help them change their habit mindset and make it a reality in their daily life so they can make these changes, so they can create this legacy? Sure. So I'll use my own personal example, what I'm working on right now. But ultimately, this is a thing to live your life by. Water flows to the lowest point. It goes by the easiest path of... like the least path of resistance. So does your life. We're 98% water as human beings. We're going to follow the least path of resistance. So if you want...

your new goals, you have to make it easier to do your new goal than to do your old habit. So example for me, I started using this app because I've realized I like to scroll on Instagram, Facebook, all these social media apps. Sometimes I'll listen to podcasts rather than doing what I know I should be doing. And there's two effects of that. One, I don't get done what I need to do. Second, my kids see my phone in my hand, so they don't address me or talk to me as much as they could. I want to change that. So just

Just saying, well, I'm not going to use social media. I've tried that in the past. That doesn't work. Like myself does Flynn is low in that category. And so I got this app that says you only get a minute of screen time for every pushup that you do. So now it's very obvious if I'm trying to earn screen time, I've got to get on the floor and do pushups. Also, you know, it's inconvenient, but two, it puts you through a meditation before you open the app. Like it puts a lot of effort into getting into doing something. I can still do it.

but it makes it more difficult to do it than to not do it. So then that both gives me more exercise and offers me a better relationship with my children. So I'm putting things in my way to violate my new goals and making it easier to keep my objectives on pace. Fantastic. Sam Knickerbocker, we very much appreciate having you on the program. How do folks stay up with you and all your work and potentially connect with you for that coaching they may need in their life?

Yeah, so website, you can always go on the website. I've got my phone number there and a place to schedule a free 20-minute discovery call. That's at samknickerbocker.com. You can get my podcast there, my free e-book. Also, if you just want to hit me up on social media, I'm most active on Instagram. You're always willing to touch me there. Fantastic. Sam Knickerbocker, thank you so much. Breaking Battlegrounds will be coming back with more in just a moment.

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Fantastic. Well, so Sam, I came across some numbers this morning, which I shared with you this morning. But the Associated Press did a poll and actually shared it.

And it was share of adults who say they approve when groups speak up about political issues. And as you and I discussed during the campaign, whenever he was freaking about Taylor Swift and so forth, no one cares, right? So just 39% of Democrats who generally who these celebrity endorsements go towards approve of celebrities piping up about politics, right? So only 11% of Republicans do and only 12% of independents. So it's the same thing with pro-athletes.

39% of Democrats approve of pro athletes piping up, just 16% of Republicans and 15% of independents. But there are some exceptions. 43% of people are happy to hear from entrepreneurs. This breaks down from 49% of Dems, 41% Republicans, and 33% of independents.

Well, and probably the entrepreneur thing is a little bit guided by the fact that the Fortune 500 has sort of been in the left's corner a little bit. So that may be the discrepancy in the numbers. But you brought up something as we were talking before this that I think makes –

All the sense in the world. Look, the best indoors, nobody cares about the celebrities. Nobody cares about the athletes. And quite frankly, they would be better for themselves and society, even the things they want, just to stay out of it because – For business. For business. For business.

And because sports and entertainment should be unifying, it should not be constantly divisive. Every part of our society does not need to be politically divided. I mean, I have never been one saying, well, because so-and-so endorsed a candidate, I'm not going to go see or listen – not listen to their music or go see a show. However, I have made some exceptions now because I find these people so annoying, so belligerent.

One being Robert De Niro. You cannot get me to go see a Robert De Niro product again. And it's too bad. He's a wonderful actor. I've enjoyed what he's done. But he's so insane, you know, talking about the values of Trump. And this is a man who lost a million dollar lawsuit for sexual defamation at his office. Right. I just don't want to hear from these type of people. But but this polling gave me some hope.

for the American populace that they just see through the silliness. Now, you and I talked about one thing campaigns don't do because it takes time that would make a big difference is if they had small business or civic leaders

Get endorsements from them. So, for example, the man or woman who coached the sports teams that everybody knows and the kids have a great experience. The small business owners that boost the high school sports. Those are people that have some standing because 80% of the population really doesn't follow politics much. So if Sam Stone's a respected person who owns three Ace Hardwares and sponsors the local high school football team.

Your opinion matters to them because you care about the community. That's the other thing too. These people show who are involved in their community that they care about the community. So therefore, it gives you a gravitas. I think it is a totally different thing when somebody who you've met numerous times in your local community who stood up and who you understand – I mean first off –

In that case, you're starting from a position where you already know you have a range of shared values. Right. I don't think I have a range of shared values with Madonna. Right. No. You have zero. Right. Except you breathe air. Right.

So I do not care what she says or what any of these folks say. My only complaint on that end is many of them have been politicizing their artwork and their creations to the point that it becomes a distraction or it hurts. There's all this talk right now, for instance, online that, oh, all these movies are flopping because they have female action stars. No, they're just bad movies. Yeah, tell that to Sigourney Weaver. Right. Right? Right.

We love great movies. We don't care who's in front of them. I just can't take the idea. It drives me nuts when you put politics over the art form or the profession you're trying to demonstrate. I mean...

I hate to say shut up and play sports, but if you're playing sports, play sports. Well, you're in the entertainment business. And I agree you have a First Amendment right and all those things like this. But it is the arrogance of these celebrities and these sports people that they think they moved the needle. And I remember just all the polling after Taylor Swift came out. It did not move a needle at all. No, and I remember – And the funny thing about it is I bet you a majority of her audience –

or nuclear families with teenage girls at these concerts. Yes. Who could spend the money to go do it. Yes. This stuff's crazy. Obviously, I hope that, like you point out there, the country is coming back to some sanity on this. We are coming back with more in just a moment. You're going to want to stay tuned. Kylie's True Crime Corner. We got to improve the name for this thing. It's just Kylie's Corner, KK.

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Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds where your host Chuck Warren and I will soon be planning the invasions of both Canada and Cuba for the good of the world. But first we're starting off with Kylie's Corner, our true crime update. And we've had lots. As always, there's way too much, way too much material for this segment out there. Kylie Campbell, thank you so much. I know, lots of mayhem. Yeah, it's been a week of mayhem. We had some crazy mayhem right here in Phoenix at our airport on Christmas night.

That was crazy. There was also a pizza delivery driver who didn't like her tip. And so she went back to the person's home and stabbed them 14 times. I told my hairstylist she needs to put that news article, tape it to the mirror at her booth. And I said, I bet it increases by half your percentages. Yeah.

She's holding weapons. She's holding weapons. She's got sharp things all over. I just tape it up. And your throat's exposed. I'm going to keep pushing it so I can study it and report back how much her tips increased that week. Folks, tip her well. You should. Yeah.

But anyways, I'm going to start out with an update on Brian Koberger. It's not only an update. I guess he's being investigated on another charge for another case of a home invasion. So for those that don't know, he is being charged for the Idaho four killings where he broke into a home at 4 a.m. and murdered four college students. Right. And this happened like a year and a half or – I mean this was almost two years ago. Two years ago.

Yeah, yeah. This was two years ago in 22. And then this happened in 21. Or maybe it was 21 and 20 prior. And Kylie, for folks who have not been downloading the podcast because they're fools, you're fools if you're not downloading this podcast, you don't realize Kylie has been on top of this story like from day one.

Yes, this one's been very fascinating to me as well as the Karen Reed case. So go back and listen to that trial and we will be covering that as well when she's retried. But anyways, in this case, the victim of the case told police that she woke up to someone standing in her doorway wearing a ski mask with the knife at 3.30 in the morning, which is the exact same thing that happened with the Idaho 4 students. He was accused of being broken into the home with a ski mask at

at 4 a.m same time frame and then stabbed them all to death she said that she screamed and kicked the crap out of his stomach and he flew into the closet and she ran to which then the person who broke into their home also ran out the door by the time the police came no one was there um and brian was initially looked into this incident at the time and then was later let go and now they're re-looking into him for this incident again

Wow. So when is the trial supposed to happen for this character? Happening this summer. This summer. And it yes. And it was moved to out of county in Idaho, which is the same court that the Lori Vallow and the Chad Daybell trial took place.

That's a, this court has all the, we need to send, we need to send you up there for this trial, Kylie. Yeah. They said that they're very good at preparing for high profile cases like this. And it's pretty much like everyone in the courtroom comes together like a sports team and they have to rehearse all the security and everything like that. And also pulling jurors is different. So he said that they pulled a lot larger pool of jurors than a typical courtroom would. So for the, for example, the Lori Vallow trial,

there was 1,800 potential jurors and the Chad Daybell, there was 2,500 potential jurors. So this will be, so the Brian Koberger, it'll be similar to that. And I may have to go up there because no decision has been made about the cameras in the courtroom. No, you need to go up there. I want to see what the sketch artist draws you like. Will it be red hair or blonde? I want to know what it's like. I want to frame that. I'm in. I think we have to have Kylie. Is he up for capital punishment? Have they decided on that?

They haven't decided, but he still can be, yes. Now, under some states, they have to notify that they're going for the death penalty before the trial. Is that the case in Idaho? Yeah. They want to charge him with that, but they're trying to appeal it, his defenses. No, of course. Of course it is. Interesting. Well, there's a lot of decisions that are still up. The trial was supposed to happen in February, and it was pushed back to July. So...

Lots of decisions still needed to be made there. It's amazing how long these cases take. I agree. I think, you know, we got to get this thing rolling because I feel like they're just coming up with different. Well, it's too long. And this is the problem with the justice system. We've talked about this in other areas, but it's hard to create a deterrent when people no longer connect the crime to the punishment.

When the public no longer connects the crime to the punishment because you're two, three, four years out between a great act. Yeah. Well, what else do you got Kylie? All right. I got a crazy story that if you think winning the lottery is going to be all fun and games, like the person who wins the billion dollar mega ball. Uh, yeah. For Tonda Dickerson, it was not all fun and games. So she was working at a waffle house in 1999. Um,

in Alabama, when Edward Seward tipped her with a lottery ticket. She then later was talking with her coworkers and said, because other coworkers were also tipped with lottery tickets. They all said, okay, if one of these is the winner, we're all just going to split the winnings. I'm assuming they all thought they weren't going to win. But the next day, the winning lottery ticket was announced and Tonda won $10 million.

She decided she was going to take 30 annual payments of $375,000. How many payments? Rather than the lump sum. How many payments? 30 annual. Oh, okay. Good. Yeah. Smart girl. Instead of the lump sum and not split it with her coworkers. Oh, not smart girl. So-

So Don obviously upset the coworkers and they decided that they were going to sue her and sued for breaking an oral argument to which the court ruled within 45 minutes. A jury ruled against Tonda and said that they ruled in favor of the coworkers and said that she did have to split the money with them. But the court did offer her $3 million to which she rejected and just decided to start putting all this cash into a family business and disregard what the court was saying.

But to her benefit. Sounds like a Democrat. Continue. But to her benefit. It's not bright, but OK. A year later, the court overturned the decision. And so she was because the deal made between the waitresses was a form of illegal gambling. So it ended up being in her favor. Yeah.

Well, after Edward Seward found out about this, that the coworkers had lost, he then decided to sue her because apparently they had an oral argument that she was going to buy him a truck if they won.

So he was suing her. But again, the court ruled against the decision because there's nothing written down. Right. So after all this lengthy battle with her coworkers, with the guy who gave her the ticket, you'd think this would all be over. She was single at the time. She had an ex-husband. Well, he decided to come back in the picture. Instead of suing her, he decided to kidnap her. And he kidnapped her and drove her north.

to North Alabama to this boat launch. The whole ride up, he said he was going to kill her when he got up there, take all the money. And on the drive up, her phone rang. He threatened to kill her if she answered it.

Well, when they got to the dock, the phone rang again and she was basically pleading for her life in every way and was saying, if I don't answer this, they're going to start looking for me. They're going to know it's you. So he agreed and let her answer the phone. Well, instead of answering the phone, she pulled out a handgun and Martin went and Martin's his name, went and lunged at her, tried to grab the handgun, shot him.

And then I there's been conflicting reports that she was shot as well. I don't know. But then he had asked her. The ex-husband asked her to drive him to the hospital. So then she did. Why is this not a movie? I don't know. But it will be. It has to be right. Yeah.

But it's not over then. So remember when I said she just started putting all the money into this corporation for her or this corporation? It was an S Corp, this family business that she started because there was always a family agreement that if someone in the family won a lot, won the lottery, they would all split it. So that she was sticking to, but not sticking to the. There's more agreements on this lottery ticket than I've ever heard of.

Yeah, so she was bundled all that money in there, $9 million into that business, but called it a gift. I'm putting it in air quotes. And so for 12 years, the IRS has been after her to pay them $1 million in gift taxes on top of her income taxes. And so in 2012, she was actually ordered to pay that money. And after all that, she currently works as a poker dealer at the Golden Nugget Casino in Mississippi. Oh, my. Oh, my. Look –

A couple of things, actually. So somebody actually will win. We're recording this as always on a Friday. Somebody is likely to win tonight a billion dollars in the Mega Millions lottery. If that's you, not anytime soon because you have some work to do. We'd love to talk to you on the program. But secondly, go get an attorney.

Do not do, you know, secure the ticket, put it in a safe deposit box, take photos of it. Do not fill out the back of it. Go talk to an attorney, put it in an LLC to maintain your privacy. Get a, you know, someone else to do family planning for you. Get an accountant to work you around the IRS things like go get the professional help you need.

People get in trouble with these lottery winnings like her. It ends up owing the IRS a million dollars there was no reason to owe. About a third of lottery winners end up in bankruptcy court. Which is insane. Which is more likely than the average person to declare bankruptcy within three to five years of a big win.

And, you know, but you go and see it, you know, a split time between Utah here. We don't have the, you know, we don't have the lottery in Utah. Never will. But you go here and I see at the convenience stores and people just like, I'll take three. And it's just like they think this is going to happen. I mean, Kip and I have a friend who does it. Do we not, Kip? And she's, this is going to happen. This is going to happen. And it's just, it's so amazing to...

That, you know, a Sam Knickerbocker would be very disappointed in the value system of these people. Well, your odds are, if I remember right, and this may be old data now because they've changed the games a little bit, but your odds are about one in 387 million of winning it, which is like...

I wonder if somebody has done a study of people who consistently buy lottery tickets if they had put it in an index fund. Oh, goodness. How much more money they have. You're talking about a huge amount of money. That needs to be a study we need to get done. Yeah, that actually would be an entertaining study to have done. I mean, you know, the other thing to this – and I will say this –

The lottery has not delivered, despite these huge numbers that people keep hearing and all this, the lottery has not delivered the benefit to the schools and other institutions that keep being promised from it. Right, right. It's really pretty minimal. There's a good argument that these things should not have any affiliation with our government at this point. Yeah, I agree. Well, Kylie, that was interesting. Yeah.

I'm always here to be interesting. Well, that's why we have Kylie's Corner that Sam says we need a new name for now. As we finally end our show for the year, I'm going to go do what Americans are more hopeful, according to CBS News, in 25 than 24. In 23, 47% were hopeful about the following year. This year it's 57%.

Same amount are discouraged, 22, 23. And both 20% are hopeful yet discouraged. These are people all in therapy. We understand that. Among the reasons to be hopeful for 25, 60% were because Trump's becoming president. 55% because of family and personal relationships.

And then others are based upon economy and personal financial reasons. Among those who are discouraged about 25, 85% because of Trump. The Trump derangement syndrome is real. It's very real. 74% because politics in general. Again, folks, if you're letting politics dictate your mood,

get help immediately. No, no, you got to do what I do and become a Boston Red Sox fan. So you can be, take a baseball, take a baseball. So, so you can have your hopefulness dictated you by the general manager. So, and then they talk about new year's resolutions, 67% want to improve their health. Generally 62% exercise, 57% more time people in person. I think those don't ever change, but I found something very interesting here in our final, final minute or two. Um,

It's regarding the shooting of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, right? And 25% found talking about his murder being justified as acceptable. And 75% unacceptable. Folks, if you ask yourself how many people in this world are rotten, in the United States, we know that number is 25%. That's right. It's just simple as that. All the whataboutism I've seen there on this, I'm sorry. Yeah.

The companies operating under the laws that have been set by the elected representatives you voted for and primarily the people that are part of that 25 percent voted for the specific representatives, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama. They voted for Obamacare that created this system. For those 25 percent who find the talk of violence and the talk of his death, 68 percent are angry about the health care system, but 32 percent

Codoning violence. I mean, again, you want to know how many rotten people are out there? 25%. So 25% of every 100 people you see are rotten to the core. It's really, really rotten. Folks, we

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Yeah, so did I. Oh, man. Folks. I have hair. Yeah, you're red now. Man, it's all changed for everybody here. Folks, thank you so much. Breaking Battlegrounds will be back next week.

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