Tiffany Shedd on the Ugly Truth at the Southern Border
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Welcome to Breaking Battlegrounds, the show formerly known as Broken Potholes, but now that we are expanding into Florida, changing the name, changing the branding a little bit. Thanks, Jamie. Absolutely. She did a ton of work to get all the website, the Twitter, all those things changed over. You can still find us...

At the old website, it'll just redirect you, right? She's nodding yes because I don't have a microphone in front of her today. And she's sick of the whole process. But nonetheless, she did it. We appreciate her being here. Absolutely. I am your host, Sam Stone, with my co-host, Chuck Warren. And today we have a fantastic guest in studio, someone we're both very excited to talk to, Tiffany Shedd. Tiffany is a Republican candidate for attorney general in the state of Arizona. In addition to being an attorney, she is a farmer.

small business owner, homeschool mom, Republican precinct committee woman, and an NRA and 4-H certified pistol and shotgun coach,

Running for attorney general to defend Arizona's Second Amendment rights, secure our border, and fight back against federal overreach. I don't know how you have time for half of that list, Tiffany. Well, Republican women, we are very energetic and efficient. Apparently so. Apparently so. Hey, Tiffany, let me ask you the first question. So the Supreme Court within the hour just reinstated the death penalty for the 2013 Boston Marathon bomber.

Of course, it was a 6-3 vote because the Democrats voted against it with some horrible reasoning as they always come up on these issues. As an attorney general, there is a movement on the right, not with the majority, but there is a movement to eliminate the death penalty. What are your thoughts on that?

Well, first of all, I do not want to eliminate the death penalty. Thank you. And, you know, the death penalty in the United States of America is a little bit different than it is all over the world because we have constitutional rights. And, you know, I might get a little goosey on the death penalty if there wasn't due process. Correct. But we literally have so many steps of due process to make sure that the person being executed really did do the crime. And while I don't want to see it expanded, you know, like...

like a country like Saudi Arabia, there are certain crimes that are so heinous and so hurtful to society, to the victims, to the victims' families. And, you know, there is not going to be rehabilitation. And I believe it's actually justice in certain cases to send someone and execute them. Thank you. Sam? Yeah, absolutely.

I think given modern technology, one of the things that I've been watching is it shouldn't take 20 years when people are 20, 30, 40 years on death row. If there's no question at all, if we got them on videotape, if we've got DNA, it's not just beyond a reasonable doubt, but it's beyond any question they're the ones that committed that act.

Is that something we could update or look at changing to speed up that process? Because we're paying a huge amount of money to keep these folks on death row. Well, absolutely. And I do think that, you know, each case in a criminal case is different because of the fact patterns. And we do have modern technology. And actually, that is one of the general complaints about the court system in general.

overall, whether you're there for a civil complaint, is just how slow it moves. And so you can efficiently look at evidence and speed that process up. And so I think when you've got the technology and whatnot, that I think it's just, you know, slow walking a few times. In cases driven by witnesses, witnesses are sort of notoriously unreliable. And that's not even their fault. People just, especially under high stress situations, often perceive things in ways that aren't entirely accurate. They forget. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, or they just don't even see it right to begin with. And the longer you go on, the witnesses degrade their memory as well. Right. And so, you know, like we were talking about before we got on, like a school shooting, for instance, where it is on video. I think that a speedy trial isn't just a victim, you know, a defendant's right. It's also in the interest of justice. Right.

I think in the entrance of deterrence also. I agree. I mean, I think if you allow decades to elapse between the act and the final act of justice, it really diminishes the public perception of those consequences, right? Right. Right. Absolutely. So one of the big reasons, and obviously a huge issue for us here in Arizona, but if you're in Florida, it affects you too. It affects the entire country, is illegal immigration, the open border, immigration

drugs, gangs, cartels, fentanyl flowing across our border. As Attorney General, what is your approach? How are you going to go after that? Well, first of all, I'd like to kind of lay out the scope of the problem. So in 2014, a federal judge pretty much gutted Arizona's smuggling laws, which has made it very hard to prosecute people for smuggling in Arizona.

And people don't really realize that. So our law enforcement a lot of times has their hands tied on even arresting people. We also have a huge border that is no longer secure. We have one cartel that controls operational control of Arizona, and that's in Loa. Texas, for instance, has multiple cartels, which in a way is good if they're fighting each other, they're not as efficient. But we really have a one company shop here. And

Where I live, I live 90 miles from the border on a fourth-generation farm, and I was going to bring this stuff in today but forgot it in the trunk. I look like I'm a smuggler at this point. Fortunately, we can't arrest you due to these laws. Yes, yes, I'm good. But it is just south of my farm. So we're talking 90 miles, like 45 minutes from ASU, Arizona State University, the Phoenix metropolitan area. There are hundreds there.

of backpacks, hundreds of carpet shoes. And I was going to bring one of those in so people could get a visual.

of shoes that literally have carpets sewn on the bottom and then they're denim. And you put them over your shoes so that you do not make footprints and you are quiet when you walk. And there are hundreds of these. And you have those in your trunk today. I do, but we took someone else's car. Well, that's okay, Kip. Afterwards, let's go down to the trunk and get some pictures and we'll post it on the website. Yeah, that'd be great. And also, blackwaterbottles.com.

They don't shine. They don't shine. But what is disturbing, so I went down with my husband, and, I mean, we look like Rambo and Ramboette because this is a major smuggling stop. Who is Ramboette? Me, I'm Ramboette. I don't know if that's a thing. There's the 80s again. But because it is really scary and dangerous right there.

And I've read some of your interviews and you talk about you've experienced this on your farm. Yes. Give a personal story. What was your first experience with this? Because this has been going on for a while now. Right. Well, our first big experience was 2004. We had...

people with cartel ties. It was the largest smuggling ring at the time ever, eventually arrested in Pinal County. Steal my Suburban out of our garage, took my purse, my keys. My children were asleep, but we were asleep. They were in the house. We were very, very lucky we weren't killed in our sleep.

Woke up, the Suburban was gone, and it was a three-quarter ton Suburban, and they liked those kind of vehicles because you can run back and forth across the border, and, you know, they're four-wheel drive and all of that. Back a lot of people in one. Right. And it really angered my husband and I. You don't know how you're going to react in a situation, but we were really angry. Well, violated, I'm sure, too. Yeah, and also our kids were there, and they were little. And so...

So we had an OnStar, and we heard the police start chasing it, and they chased it down to the desert. It starts raining, and we have a scanner because we need to know what's coming at us. I really am starting to sound like a smuggler. But she was in the truck in a scanner. And we could tell that they were getting away. And so my husband and another farmer took a tractor, and deputies got on it, and they got after them. It turned into like a two-week chase where they held people at gunpoint.

And one of the detectives ended up, they tried to shoot a detective and he killed one of the men that broke into our house. But during that time, because we wouldn't let it go and we kept kind of talking to people that are around that could give us information and giving it to the police, we had to be evacuated from our home. I had to send my children to a place they wouldn't think they were.

because of death threats and it just infuriated me and the morning that the officer shot one of the gang members which you know it's early cartel at this point we had been evacuated out of our home about 4:30 in the morning

and because they were coming for us. And so it's very bold. So that was the first. And then it seemed like it opened the floodgates to, you know, it's much easier to run across our farm to be undetected because we're at the top of the Silver Bell route. And so versus going on a road that's paved, that there's officers, they can go through ours and then get to I-10 and distribute whatever it is they're distributing all over the country.

And so about 2004, 2005, we started spending thousands of dollars, because it's 1,200 acres. First, we put up Silius barbed wire fences. Well, those were just cut, right? Right. Okay. We're so naive back then, right? And then it turned into literally steel well casing, piling up chunks of cement, locking down gates, putting in motion detectors, and...

And, you know, having a- All on your dime. All on our dime. Yeah. So walls kind of work, just so you know. Ours was a mini wall, but it does, it stopped the traffic. It impedes them. It impedes them. So now you just have the foot traffic, right? They're like water flowing downhill. They're taking the route. So see, that's the point. So I think a lot of people, they don't understand what a wall will do.

Right. I mean, I think, you know, I've told Sam this. We keep telling Candace again, no one does this. Someone needs to do a commercial just with a drone from the start of the California-Arizona border to Mexico and just show how long it is. Right. And just put it on video. You know, you can fast forward it real quick, but just show how fast it is. But it's these type of things that I don't think people understand. And I just think if they understand more of the visual aspect.

there would be more public outcry. Okay, we need to do these things. They just don't understand how it works, right? Well, and that's true. And, you know, one of the things, the stories I like to tell because I think it hits home, and this is even current now because we have a basically operationally open border, is we tell our kids everything.

If your dad or I go out and see what's out there and it goes bad, call 911. And if somebody tries to come in the house, shoot them. We are 90 miles from the border. We live in Arizona. No one should live like that. No. I mean, you're in a war zone. Yeah, we are in a war zone. Yeah. I talked to a rancher east of Douglas in 2010 who has his house had been broken into 17 times in the previous year.

And that was the problem was not of this current scale we're dealing with. He had gotten to the point he started leaving food, snacks, waters, Gatorade out in a fridge and cabinet outside his house. Just to save the hassle. Just to save the hassle. Just again. And they did actually kind of stop. But.

I mean, the risk, right? The risk is huge because you don't know what you're getting. You don't know if you're getting someone who's thirsty or someone who could kill you. And, yeah, take everything you have because what does it matter? They're already breaking the law. We're going to take a break here in a minute. Look at me calling that. A minute. When we come back, I want to talk about what policies that you as an attorney general for the state of Arizona can do to tighten our border, make things safer, protect

make sure families like yours who are the bread and butter, literally, of Arizona and our economy can go walk outside of their 1,200-acre ranch. I mean, that's just insane. So let's talk about when we come from that break, Sam, about what you would do. Yeah, absolutely.

I think people in a lot of parts of the country, especially the people in Washington legislating on this stuff, don't understand at all what is happening to people who live in these areas. When I lived in Washington, the Sierra Club would always send these environmental things that showed Lake Tahoe. Right. Arizona is not Lake Tahoe, right? No. Breaking Battlegrounds will be right back with Republican candidate Tiffany Schett.

Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your hosts Chuck Warren and Sam Stone in the studio with us. Our first guest today, Tiffany Shedd, Republican candidate for attorney general in the state of Arizona. Tiffany, when we went to break, we were talking about all the issues that are on our border, the impact you and your family have felt personally, the impacts that are putting lives at danger, not just of the people who live here in Arizona, but of the people who are being trafficked.

If you go down to the border, you see it's littered with boxes of Plan B, the abortion pill. They'll tell the women – I mean all the women know you better be on birth control before you pay somebody thousands of dollars to rape you and then smuggle you across the border. This is an out-of-control crisis. What can we do? What can you do as attorney general?

to help bring this in? - Okay, there's a lot of really good solutions, and unfortunately I don't think Arizona's doing any of them right now. So first of all, Arizona, people don't realize our smuggling statutes were pretty much gutted in 2014 by a federal court decision. And so law enforcement has a lot of trouble actually arresting people once they pick up the people who are being smuggled, but Americans who are smuggling them oftentimes just literally walk away free.

And so Texas has just passed a very good smuggling law, and I think we should just go ahead and pass the exact same one. What makes it so well? What makes it great is that you can go after people for smuggling, and it is a felony, and also just the levels of probable cause. It has real teeth to it, including up to the death penalty.

So it's based on if you're smuggling someone and you're nice to them, it's a lower felony. And if you're smuggling someone and you've sexually assaulted them, now we're talking a serious felony and serious commit problems to that. And we just don't have that in Arizona. It was signed into law this year actually by Governor Abbott. And law enforcement that I'm talking to in Texas says it's really working.

Now, the other thing Texas has done, and we used to be the leader, and now we are the worst state for fentanyl. We have more fentanyl coming into our state than any other state in the country. Forty percent of the U.S. supply is coming across the Arizona border. I don't think people realize the impact of that to communities everywhere.

And so the other thing we can do is unify our law enforcement. So I don't mean we're making them all one agency, but have a place where we are collecting intelligence and sharing it between state law enforcement. We do not have that in Arizona. Texas has put that in. And the other thing that the unification of that information does is this would be a very awareness thing for our state legislature is they were literally saying,

The agency that's in charge, which is State Troopers in Texas, it could be something else here. I kind of like bringing back the Arizona Rangers personally. It sends a strong message. Love it. But they were sending updates every 24 hours to every Texas legislator with pictures of decapitations, of people left in the desert to die, of people wearing armbands so that they're literally chipped when they're put into basically slavery in the United States.

and just sending this to state legislators every 24 hours and now they have a billion dollar uh secure texas fund but peop you see and it's brilliant communications it's not even pr it's just communications because if americans understood those facts even our most wokiest friends they're just gonna say hell no we're not we're not gonna we're not gonna let people live like that we're gonna stop it and i think

The enforcement and the focus on the just border security would be enhanced because you're not going to get that from your broadcast news. You're not going to get that from your newspapers for some for some reason. I mean, it's weird, right? I mean, they would do it if some some family was doing that to their kids, but they're not doing it. That comes over constantly day in, day out.

I love that strategy. Maybe it's something your campaign should implement now. Right. Well, actually, we are trying to. And I'm going to roll out a border security policy that's going to include a lot of these things because I want solutions. And I think that this is a fixable problem. You know, the other thing people need to realize, and I know sometimes law enforcement hates it when I say this because they don't want to show that they have weakness here.

But we are so, we don't have the assets to go after what is coming across the border. We literally do not have the manpower. We're talking about a multi-billion dollar SINLOA operation that has everything from armored vehicles to fully automatic weapons. They have state-of-the-art military equipment.

And we do not have enough law enforcement in the state of Arizona to do anything real about it. And we've also stymied them by not having stronger laws on the books. You know, we used to be great. And then we had those laws overturned by a federal court. And we need to revisit that. And the reason I would love to stick with Texas on it is because now when they sue it, they're coming after two states that are defending it. And, you know, I know you said you're talking to Florida, but...

Florida, Texas and Arizona cannot be the refugee states for all the people fleeing the liberal policies. We can only take so much. And so I don't mean refugee from Mexico. I mean, from California and New York and all the places that people are fleeing.

But this is a fixable problem, but I just do not think people realize we have slavery in the United States of America again. Absolutely. Because it is about $8,000 to be trafficked if you're Russian, $5,000 or $6,000 to be trafficked if you're Middle Eastern. They're probably paying the bill, the Russians are. And then everyone else is a little less than $5,000, and those people don't have the money to pay it up front.

And so they have to work it off here in the United States. It's kind of like indentured servitude. But instead of, you know, in the 1700s, they kill your family. They cut off your fingers. In the 1800s, it was farm work. Now it's sex trade. There's no one crossing our border from Mexico or Central America that has the five, six thousand dollars unless they've had a bunch of family members in the U.S. Senate Western Union.

It's just literally not happening. So they're paying these humongous interest rates that people used to pay bookies, except it's greater and their life's on the line versus a high interest rate. And even beyond the sex trafficking, even people that are working illegally –

in industries have to pay the money back. And we had an employee who was here, a permanent resident, green card forever. He had worked for us like 30 years and he kept coming to us for advances on his paycheck, like $2,000. And we're like, what are you doing? You don't live like this. And he said, well, I keep getting calls from cartel that they have my cousin in Mexico, whatever, and they're going to kill him. And finally, he just told him, he's like, you're just going to have to kill him because I can't afford this anymore.

So they have become an invasive species into every area of our lives, and it is promoting lawlessness beyond just the trafficking. It is an idea of lawlessness in the state. So we're going to follow the Texas model, which for some reason a federal judge decided to gut here in Arizona. Yeah.

What else as Attorney General could you do to help secure this border more and make families safer in Arizona? Well, I do believe it is an invasion under Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3, and we have a right to repel an invasion. This isn't immigration. I'm a fourth-generation farmer. This is not immigration. This is an invasion. Twenty years ago, people came here of their own volition. Now they're all trafficked. Yeah, and they can't even go back. Right. The SINLOA literally has operational control of the Arizona border, make no mistake.

And so, you know, defending it, if we get a good governor, absolutely using the office of the attorney general to defend anything that they do to secure that, to secure the border. But from the AG's point of view, getting more assets for law enforcement, showing what's really going on, tougher smuggling laws, declaring, having laws that declare criminalization.

cartel as terrorists so we can go after their assets and have stiffer penalties, bring back the Arizona Rangers as kind of a border strike force. And it also shows the intent that Arizona means business. Don't come through our state. Go somewhere else. Love it. Love it. Breaking Battlegrounds will be coming right back after this with more from Tiffany Shedd.

Welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your host Sam Stone and Chuck Warren. In the studio with us today, Tiffany Shedd, Republican candidate for Attorney General in the state of Arizona. Tiffany, how do people follow? How do they support you in this campaign?

How do they stay in touch with what you're doing? Because obviously I think we love what we hear and hear, and I'm imagining some of our listeners do as well. Well, thank you. You can go to shedforaz.com, so S-H-E-D-D, so like a shed in your backyard but fancy because it's got two Ds.

F-O-R and then A-Z, like the Arizona abbreviation, A-Z.com. And we also are on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, other things I can't remember. I'm not a big social media. All sorts of websites I don't want to deal with either. Yeah, yeah. So messaging is mine. How it gets posted is not my forte. Okay.

But that would be great. And, you know, I just want to reach out to out-of-state listeners. Arizona is on the tip of the spear for this border, and it's not an Arizona issue. It is a national security issue. If you paid attention to the Ukraine, we have Russians coming across the border for the last year in pretty serious quantities as well. The fentanyl, there's enough fentanyl coming across the Arizona border to kill every human being in the United States.

Think about the number one killer in the United States for 45 and under was fentanyl, not car accidents, not COVID. And this is billion dollar business. And so we're kind of this, we always call it the little baby state because we're state 48, but we really could use some help. And so Florida, you have resources. I want to work with the attorney generals of those states, their governors, but also just the people. And if you like what you've said, what you hear, um,

We need the money to get the word out. We need people to share our message. And just, you know, for the sake of the people living in this, please, please tell our stories so that we're not alone down here. Most people don't realize Democrats came up with a plan back in 2004 to divert money from the big coastal, you know, blue states.

And their billionaires are pouring money. They poured it into Colorado. They poured it in Nevada. They turned both of them blue. They were both light red. Arizona's next. And these folks are putting huge amounts of money in behind their leftist candidates who will go along with all this stuff. People need to be aware of that.

and support our candidates here. Well, the other thing, too, just since we've been talking about the border, is we have the detection tools now. We just don't have the tools to arrest and prosecute people. And the Democrats are going to fight all of those reforms I said tooth and nail. Can you imagine a Democrat attorney general in the state of Arizona with this going on? I can't imagine a Democrat governor or attorney general. And it goes back to my point that we originally talked about.

The general public doesn't understand the tools we can implement. They just don't understand the scope of this. The cartels would love nothing more than to have a Democrat attorney general. Because Americans by nature, look, I mean, you know, the Statue of Liberty, you know, we by nature want to help. Just look, I mean, when all this is said and done about Ukraine or Russia, and this is going to last 10 years, sadly.

When this all said and done, most of the money doesn't come from American taxpayers on their own free will through charity, things of that nature. I mean, that is just our nature. We want to help. You know, I hear all the time people say on immigration, Republicans don't want. There's been we allow about one point two million new people to this country, either the green cards or immigration every year. I've not heard one person.

of sound mind on the right who said cut that number. Have you, Sam? I have not. No, it just doesn't exist. So we're by nature tenderhearted. And we understand these families coming across, but that's not what's happening. We want people to follow the law. And in talking about the law real quick, you were talking about some cases earlier, but we have a different Supreme Court now than when those cases came through. We have a different circuit courts. We do. And we need to take advantage of that and just move the ball down the field for these reforms.

And I just want to say, if you're listening, whether you're Republican, independent or Democrat, if you value human life at all, you better care about border security. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. We've got just a minute and a half left here before we head to our next break. Tiffany, it's been fantastic having you in the studio. I think there's a lot of folks out there who need to hear the things you're saying because you've had that experience directly for you and your family. Is there any final message you want to give to people?

I've had to live with this every single day for almost 20 years. And as the next attorney general, every single day, I will get up in the morning and declare war on cartel. Love it. Yeah, absolutely fantastic. I absolutely love it. And how's your family liking the campaign trail? I know they've done this before. Are they just used to mom just going out and doing her thing or what? You know, they were the ones that said, please run again. It was my kids. And I wasn't going to. And they said, mom, you...

too much needs to be done and we have faith in you so please don't quit and you can't be a quitter in front of your kids and I will never quit trying to protect Arizona and put Arizona first you know Sam Jamie and Kit maybe we need to go down to her ranch and walk it and let's video it and put it on the show yeah I'd love to do that yeah absolutely we can schedule that here the next month or two that would be fun and

There's so much of this that people across the country don't understand. The horrific human toll this is taking on both sides of the border and on decent people. Right. And the scope of these drop areas is unbelievable. Thank you for coming with us today. We appreciate it and keep fighting the good fight. You too. What's the website again? ShedforAZ.com. UD is the fancy way.

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Just had a fantastic interview with Republican Attorney General candidate in the state of Arizona, Tiffany Shedd. Now we're talking to some folks who are, boy, they are putting their lives on the line right now to try to help American citizens who are caught in the Ukraine crisis and

On the line with us, Justin Clements. He is with Judge PR, but he's working with a group called Project Dynamo, which is a nonprofit leading the effort to help U.S. citizens escape from Ukraine as Russia's full-scale invasion continues to unfold. Project Dynamo was co-founded by Brian Stern and named after the British evacuation of Dunkirk in 1940. Stern's a former government employee, runs a consulting firm in Tampa, Florida, and

formed Project Dynamo in the middle of the botched U.S. evacuation from Afghanistan in August. Their group has helped thousands of people get out of Afghanistan. Now they're applying those tactics in Ukraine. Justin, tell us what's going on right now. We were hoping to get one of the founders on, but they are understandably, one of them is actually in Kiev. The other is on an airplane trying to get over there to help people right now. Saving lives. Yeah. Tell us what's going on with this.

Yeah, and thank you guys so much for having us on to share the rescue efforts that Project Dynamo is currently conducting right now. So right now they've had six rescue missions currently conducted and completed. It's nearly 100 people that have been evacuated out of danger zones where there's currently fighting going on.

You know, looking at their website, they've had about close to 9000 people signing up, requesting evacuations. And and those are coming in more and more every day. So members of Project Dynamo are on the ground over there and they're going to keep going as long as they can. You know, as long as they have the support and capability, they're going to keep trying to get people out. Justin, one thing you'll hear from people is the Biden administration has been saying for a month, get out of Dodge.

Right. Why do why do certain people just delay leaving when the administration and the U.S. government has said, you know, get out of Ukraine now? Why? Why? What is there some stories why people delayed leaving and to get to this harrowing moment that you're trying to rescue them from?

There's a few different reasons. Everyone that you ask will probably have a different one. You know, some people are comfortable where they're at. And so a lot of people didn't think that this was a situation that was actually going to happen. Some people didn't think that Putin would actually...

move in forces and maybe it was just a military show. But you know, a lot of people were are have different circumstances as far as why they didn't get out. Even though the US and and many other countries informed their citizens, that is probably a good idea to get out.

But those those that are left behind seeing that, you know, this is a real threat. There is a Russian invasion occurring there. They are they are stuck over there. So right now they don't have they don't have, you know, really too much support from.

the state department as far as helping to get people out. So there are a few groups over there, including Dynamo, that are helping to exfiltrate these people out that didn't get out in time. What does it generally cost to extradite somebody out of Ukraine to safety? What is the general cost? Because this costs money. What does it cost? Because every cent that people donate goes towards getting these people out. What does it cost for an individual or family to get them out?

It's tough to say it all depends on the evacuation route. It all depends on how many people are in a particular rescue operation. They're referring to their rescue mission as Apollo rescue mission, so it really all depends on where they're going. They try to, you know, they torture people.

toward the beginning of the evacuation efforts making their way over into Poland, but that got gridlocked when you have half a million people trying to escape the country at the same time. A lot of gridlock there. So for some of the rescue missions to try to make their way to the Romanian border. So it really all just depends on where they're going, but right now it is all ground transportation. There are no flights in or out of Ukraine for the moment, understandably.

So it really just all depends on each particular mission, how far they have to go, how many people they're traveling with and where they have to stay over, what time that they leave. So staying at safe houses, that's also a cost. So it really fluctuates, but really just all depending on the journey. I think their longest rescue mission that they had was about an 18 hour drive across Ukraine to get them to a border.

So it really all depends, but how they're able to pay for that is strictly donor-funded. So people who are donating through the projectdynamo.org website, they are the figurative and literal fuel for what they're doing over there, helping to get people out. So it is, like I said, 100% donor-funded for how they're getting these folks out. How does this mission differ from...

getting people out of Afghanistan? The biggest difference is not being able to get air travel.

for their rescue missions for those American citizens trying to get out of Afghanistan, air travel was an option. Here with Ukraine being the war zone that it is right now, air travel is not possible. So it's not a matter of getting them onto a flight and getting them directly out of the country in a matter of hours. The logistics are a lot different when you have to

constantly update yourself on, okay, where are Russian forces at? How do we maneuver around these, you know, these danger zones, these hotspots? So it's, it's really, it takes a lot more planning and that planning goes hour by hour. Getting, getting those American citizens and legal permanent residents out of Afghanistan, you know, once we got them on the flight into, you know, into another country before they're heading to the U.S.,

you know, once they're on the flight and out there, they're good to go here. It's we, you know, these evacuees are getting put on buses and transportation and it's really an hour by hour update of how everything's going and trying to get those updates of where Russian troops are advancing, where these airstrikes are coming in, that who's getting bombarded. And it's, as you guys know, it's, it's,

changing on a, you know, almost by, you know, minute by minute basis. It's absolute chaos on the ground in that, you know, you have forces coming in all over the place at changing the situation dramatically. But you also have, I think I heard 2% of the population of Ukraine has already fled. A huge additional population is trying to flee.

This is, in many ways, the biggest refugee crisis. Well, 2% of 40 million. That's what people are understanding. I mean, this isn't some, you know, there's not many people in town. No, no, no. We're with Justin Clements, Project Dynamo. Justin, tell our audience a little bit, who are the volunteers who are out risking their lives? I mean, what's the background of a person who's volunteering for Project Dynamo and going to Ukraine to help extradite these folks, our fellow Americans, actually?

Well, they've got a great group over there on the ground. So the great thing about Project Dynamo is, you know, while there are veterans that are working on there, it is made up of a great collection of volunteers, American citizens over here, working as case managers, constantly getting in touch with people who are registering through the websites.

On the ground over there, we've got Brian Stern, he's co-founder with an extensive military background. So he's over there. They've been utilizing their contacts since mid-January, kind of prepping for this to happen.

And they were actually gearing up to test the mechanism of sort of the rescue operations that they had in place when a day later is when Russia officially started to invade. So they went from going to test everything out to conducting the offer, the evacuations right then and there. So these guys have been rolling with the punches up for nearly four days straight.

You know, and then trying at the same time doing these evacuations, trying to get the word out to, you know, media outlets over here and around the world about what's going on, what they're seeing, what they're dealing with and how people can help the people of Ukraine and others who are stuck over here. There are some people that they helped to evacuate who were evacuated from Afghanistan to Ukraine.

leaving that situation and are now my gosh russian invasion so imagine you know getting evacuated from from one war zone and then taking to another that then comes under siege from a major neighboring country it's uh it's kind of it's it's really difficult to even think about and wrap your mind around uh but that's the people that they're trying to help get out

Justin, I think one of the things that stood out to me, you just said, is you've been – Project Dynamo has been there since January preparing this. I mean there was warning of this and the State Department, the U.S. government, other governments across the world really failed to act in time to prepare citizens for this. And I think you guys are just filling in a huge hole that should have been planned and executed by our government and other governments around the world. Yeah.

Yeah. And like and like you said, you know, with with the U.S. State Department and in other countries, you know, asking their civilians to leave, you know, a lot of people were under the impression that, you know, this might not happen. This is just a show of force, you know, that that sort of thing, you know, with the military games for Belarus happening. It's it's.

it's really tough to try to predict what's going to happen, especially with a leader like Vladimir Putin. So as far as like gauging what's going to happen, you know, people with Project Dynamo kind of had a sense that this was coming. But as far as what those actions were going to be, I mean, you know, President Putin is unpredictable, and we've seen that before. How much has Project Dynamo raised thus far for this, and how much more do they want to raise?

Man, right now, checking on their website, they just reached $1.5 million in donations since they started their rescue operations about a week ago, which is just incredible. And Brian has relayed to me several times that, you know, that –

that outpouring of support and donations. Again, that's how they're able to keep all these operations going. And they're sticking there until they can get out everyone that they can. And the more donations that come in, the more people that they're able to rescue and more evacuations that they're able to put together to get these people who are not only in these major cities under siege, but also these little areas that might not be getting as much attention

Being able to get those people on transportation to a meeting point and then getting them out, it takes a lot of logistics, planning. It takes a lot of partners over there on the ground. So every cent that comes in is really beneficial and really helps this organization just keep going. Folks, we're with Justin Clements. He is with Project Dynamo. You can find them at projectdynamo.org.

Every cent you give goes towards extracting American citizens in Ukraine that's currently under attack, unless you live under a rock from Russia. I donated $500 myself this week. I'm challenging you all to pull some money out of your pocket and donate. Give what you can give. Get your friends to give so we can get our fellow Americans out of Ukraine and those also who need help since our government is flailing around miserably.

not doing their job yeah i mean i'm not asking justin to say that because he's i'll say it i'll say it i'll say it but justin we what any any stories you can share with us about some of you've gone across the border anything i understand you've rescued a dog and a cat as well um a pregnant woman as well is there any stories you can share audience just tell us the type of situation when we when we find these folks and what happens

Yeah, I mean, you know, and not only are they rescuing Americans out of Ukraine, but they've helped they've helped British, Ukrainian, Romanian, Afghan citizens all help get across the border. So a little bit different than how it was in Afghanistan, where they were just getting American citizens and lawful permanent residents so they could get them directly to the U.S. This is a hey, if you're in Ukraine, doesn't matter where you from, where you're from.

You know, sign up through the website, register for an evacuation through the website, and they're going to do whatever they can to help get you out. On the last evacuation that they had, they had a pregnant woman with a young child who needed to get out.

The evacuations that are coming in, the requests that are coming in, the stories that there are truly heartbreaking. There are elderly couples with heart conditions who are a good few hours outside of any major city that need to get out but are worried about taking themselves out of the country through their own means. There are worries of people who are...

There are fears of being robbed of their cars or valuables on their way out because there are other people who are desperate for transportations or a means out. So we've seen that come in through requests through the website. So while the people who are evacuated, those are uplifting stories, there are a lot of people who still need to get out who are still in Ukraine under tragic circumstances.

Well, Justin, we appreciate you being on. We would love it if you work with Kip, our producer, and give us a weekly update that we can have on the show. And anytime you want to come on and have us push our listeners, we're also on the radio in Tampa. We'd love to have you. So thanks a million and Godspeed and thank you for what you're doing. Absolutely.

Folks, Breaking Battlegrounds will be back next week with an all-new program, but be sure to tune in on our podcast. We do an additional segment there where Chuck and I talk a little bit about what's going on, the things we had on the program. Breaking Battlegrounds, back next week. All right, folks, welcome back to Breaking Battlegrounds with your hosts Chuck Warren and Sam Stone. Fantastic guests on the program today. If you're listening now, you're listening online or downloaded on your phone. We thank you for that.

Please tune in every week. We do a little bit of an extra segment. Chuck? Well, I think, you know, both are just a Tiffany Shed with two Ds because it's fancy, running for Attorney General of Arizona. And then we had Justin Clements, who was the third man up from ProjectDynamo.org, who did a fantastic job. He was a little hesitant coming on there, but he did a phenomenal job. Oh, he was fantastic. He was fantastic. We live in a very turbulent world.

Yes, we do. You just stand out. I mean, we have Tiffany's Shed has a 1,200-acre ranch in the greatest country on Earth. Grows cotton. And she's like in a war zone. Yeah. We have American Volunteers.

pleading for donations so they can go rescue Americans in Ukraine. Now, again, I'm always interested why people, I mean, I'm going to give one thing to the administration. They were clearly saying get out of Dodge, right? It always reminds me of my friends down in Florida when there's a hurricane and they know they should get in a car and leave. I remember my one friend, Ron Andruff,

the last major hurricane down in Miami, you know, I was saying, get out. He goes, well, I think we're going to hold up. And I remember getting an email when it hit and said, we're fine. We're at a friend's house. We have some wine and cheese and we're 14 feet above sea level. So we're safe. That was his thing, right? And sometimes, and I love Ron. Ron's an adventurer, but...

But there's reasons why people don't leave. And at the end of the time, they're there doing mission work or work or they have family or they have health conditions. And the fact that we have to have volunteers out of Tampa, Florida raise $1.5 million to bring people out is insanity. It is insanity. And look...

Our government and others should be doing a much more coordinated effort in protecting. I mean, for instance, there is no reason, even if you're not willing to declare a no-fly zone, there is no reason you cannot declare certain air corridors, safe air corridors, and protect those and operate an airborne evacuation. Well, what Russia is doing and Putin as their

Look, he's just an evil dictator. Yeah. What he's doing is so humane. One thing that struck me as interesting, he didn't say it. The evacuations were easier out of Afghanistan than Ukraine. Right.

I mean, think about that. That's how bad that is over there. But that's a lot of that is the Russian Air Force making that airspace. But that's the point. But think about that. That's how severe this situation is in Ukraine. Yeah, it absolutely is. Afghanistan, which is a total turmoil. Yep. It's like a bad video game gone wrong.

They can at least fly people out. They can't even do that in Ukraine. There's no Taliban Air Force, right? I mean, that's really the difference in this situation. You know, and he was kind enough to try to get us on one of their founders who's in Ukraine. And hopefully we'll arrange that for next week. I mean, I want to know the process. Are they hiding behind trees? Here comes a Jeep jump. I mean, what's going on?

Well, you know, the other thing behind all of this that I think – and I want to address kind of one of the narratives that's been coming up here in the U.S. a lot is that Zelensky – there are people who don't like the president of Ukraine, Zelensky, who don't like some of the leadership there. And let's be honest. Ukraine is a kleptocracy in the same way that Russia is a kleptocracy. These are very –

questionable countries in terms of the morals of some of the leadership. But I think you have to separate that from the people of Ukraine. Well, you always need to. Right. I mean, as we talked about the cartels today, I mean, it's a majority. It's not a super, but a majority of those people are coming. I just want a better life. Right. But now they're indentured servitude. Right. There's no other way to put it. They are slaves and they're slaves for years. Yes. And so, you know, what's happened is you always have the top scum

affecting the people they're supposed to serve and help. Right. And that is such an issue at this point. I think we really need to focus on the humanitarian side of what's going on there because we haven't seen a war like this in a developed country. World War II.

Right. I mean, that's what that's what I think is shocking people. So really interesting guest today. Tiffany, we've had every Arizona attorney general candidate, but the former Supreme Court justice who except for one who will get on, who will get on. I think you and I have said this time again of the group of people running for statewide office. They seem to be the most competent. They're the ones who ever won the primary. You and I would go. Yeah.

No question about it. Arizona will be well served. Yeah, no question about it. I loved what Tiffany had to say today. I think they've all been very strong. But her personal experience on the border, I think, is a. Well, she has one thing most people don't have. She has one issue. And it's interesting. As we know, consistency on message is important. Right. And we have 43, 45 percent of Arizona saying immigration is number one. And for somehow she can raise the money and get her message out. Watch out.

Yeah, absolutely. And that field is just bunched up. Oh, yeah. I mean, what's the point? In fact, we're going to pull the poll here real quick. George Kaloff of Data Orbital sent a new poll out today, his March subscription service. And for the attorney general race of Arizona among Republican primary voters, we have Rodney Glassman at six point four percent. Andy Gould, the former Supreme Court justice, four point one percent.

he's dropped actually he's dropped within the margin of error outside the margin of error um lacy cooper 3.9 tiffany shed with two d's 4.6 um don grove 2.4 and abe honest abe at 3.3 and you have 73 undecided i mean it's whoever finds fire is going to take off fast i think on that race and and this race is you know a few months ago you would have said it's a long way away but it's starting to come down to

It's not. It's not even six months now, is it? Right. No, no. August 2nd, right? So this is coming up. No, it's around the corner and they really have to pick it up because early voting starts early July. Right. Well, and part of the reason I think there's so many undecideds is they're all darn good.

They are. I mean, it's a very competent group. So great show today. Kip and Jamie, as always, fantastic job. Jeremy in the studio keeping us sounding good because we have radio voices. And on time. No, no. Look, Chuck, you have a face for television. I have a face for radio and a voice for television. It's a disaster, folks.

Well, it's a great show. We're looking forward to next week, folks. Again, visit Shed2Ds for AZ.com if you want to learn more about her. And visit, pleading with you, visit ProjectDynamo.org. Even if you get five or ten bucks today, you're really helping your fellow Americans get to safety. Yeah, and doing what the Biden administration has completely failed at once again. Exactly. All right. Thanks, folks. Have a great weekend, and we'll see you next week. Battlegrounds will be back.

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