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Armed Uyghur Rebels Overthrow Regime in Syria

2025/3/10
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主持人: 叙利亚的叛军推翻了巴沙尔·阿萨德政权,其中包括维吾尔族人。大约12年前,大量维吾尔族人通过东南亚迁移到土耳其,最终进入叙利亚。48名维吾尔族人幸存下来,其中5人在泰国拘留期间死亡。维吾尔族人加入了叙利亚的叛军组织,包括曾被美国列为恐怖组织的“东突厥斯坦伊斯兰党”。在叙利亚的维吾尔族人数量约为1万到2万,他们参与了推翻阿萨德的行动。西方媒体报道了维吾尔族人在叙利亚的活动,并提到他们在宣传视频中声称“中国是下一个目标”。在叙利亚的维吾尔族人已获得叙利亚国籍,并成为叙利亚国家军队的一部分。中国是否会向叙利亚政府要求引渡这些维吾尔族人仍是未知数,但目前的维吾尔族人生活状况良好。维吾尔族人在叙利亚伊德利卜地区建立了一个繁荣的社会,但这对中国共产党来说可能是令人恐惧的。尽管中国将恐怖袭击归咎于维吾尔族武装分子,但他们实际上并未对中国发动任何攻击。美国或其他西方政府可能会认为维吾尔族人有能力成为恐怖分子,但这种看法有些牵强。 维吾尔族发言人: 维吾尔族人认为自己是被占领的民族,根据国际法,他们有权利自卫并驱逐占领者。维吾尔族人认为针对中国占领力量的行动是解放自己国家的方式。维吾尔族人希望摆脱中国的占领和压迫,能够自治,但目前看来这不太可能实现。目前的工作是为下一代提供平台,让他们能够继续努力驱逐占领者。中国以叙利亚的维吾尔族武装分子为借口,大规模关押维吾尔族人,这是不合理的。世界上其他国家没有因为少数人参与叙利亚的战斗而大规模关押穆斯林人口。

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The podcast discusses the surprising role of Uyghur rebels in the Syrian conflict, their migration from Southeast Asia to Syria, and their integration into the Syrian national army. Despite their past association with groups labeled as terrorist organizations, their current situation and prospects are analyzed.
  • Uyghur rebels played a significant role in the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad.
  • Tens of thousands of Uyghurs migrated through Southeast Asia to Turkey, and then to Syria.
  • The Turkestan Islamic Party, initially labeled a terrorist organization, was removed from the terror list in 2020.
  • Uyghur rebels in Syria have reportedly obtained Syrian citizenship and are now part of the national army.

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About three months ago, you know as our viewers know rebel groups in Syria basically overthrew the dictator Bashar al-Assad and There are lots of rebel groups that were working to overthrow him but among them You're you're telling me we're Uighurs. Yeah, so like What's going on with that? So let's go back to the Thailand issue the

Through Thailand or through Southeast Asia, there was a big migration about 12 years ago now, 12, 13 years ago. They made their way through Southeast Asia and tens of thousands of Uyghurs made their way to Southeast Asia, eventually got to Turkey, and then a group of those got into Syria.

So the ones that we've been talking about very recently, the 48, 53 of them were left. Five of them died in Thai detention, three adults and two children. And the 48 are left now.

So a big group of them made their way into Syria as well. They joined various groups. And this group that we're talking about now that's helped with the revolution, the Turkestan Islamic Party, which was initially labeled as a terrorist organization by the United States. But back in 2020, Mike Pompeo took them off the terror list. And so this group have been living in Idlib. They have their own

Right now, their numbers seem to be anywhere between 10,000 to 20,000 people. So children, they have their own businesses. Apparently, there are 20 or 30 schools there now. And so this group joined other groups, and they helped or aided in the fall of Bashar al-Assad. And apparently, among the foreign fighters, they are the biggest foreign legion there. Yeah.

you know, who helped them, what goes on behind closed doors. I'm not going to go into the government dealings, but the Western media picked it up saying, because in their propaganda videos, they were saying that China is next. But we've recently come to see that most of that foreign legion

And all the Uyghurs there now have seemed to attain Syrian citizenship now, and now they've become part of Syria's national army. And so whether or not...

China is going to approach the Syrian government and ask for them back is what we will see in the future. But it looks like for now, and speaking to the Uyghurs on the ground, they're quite confident that the Syrian government won't sell them out. But time will tell. But as far as we can see, they seem to be living good lives. I recently interviewed a

an Uyghur anthropologist that visited the region, and he was quite amazed of the thriving society that got up in Idlib. Right. But I mean, you know, you have a group of armed Uyghur Muslims who work to overthrow a dictator. That, from the perspective of the Chinese Communist Party, must be terrifying, right? Yeah. Yeah.

It should be terrifying. But right now, as far as we can see, they do not have the capacity to do anything. They have not done anything. Whilst China has attributed quote-unquote terrorist attacks to this group, they themselves have not claimed any of these attacks. To be honest, no...

rebel group or no Uyghur fighting, Mujahideen, whatever you want to call them, have actually fired any bullets into China from the outside or anything at all, despite what China says. Are you concerned that the US or other Western governments might look at this and think that, oh yeah, maybe Uyghurs do have the capacity to be terrorists? That seems like a stretch. Yeah, well,

In my mind, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. As Uyghurs, we consider ourselves to be occupied. And so under international law, Uyghurs would have the right to defend themselves and kick out their occupiers. That's the way I see it. And that's the way a lot of Uyghurs see it as well. And so, yes, we may be considered by China to be terrorists, but we consider any act, you know,

targeting China's occupying forces, their security apparatus, these types of things in a way of liberating one's own nation. Yeah.

So I have a question sort of about the future of Xinjiang. And this is, you know, we had a Tibetan congresswoman in exile on our show a while back, and we asked her a similar question. So my question is about, like, what do you see as the future of Xinjiang if Uyghur activists sort of, the ones that you work with sort of have

are able to achieve their goals. What would that look like? So I can't speak from an organizational perspective, because from an organizational perspective, we want basically basic human rights for Uyghurs, no matter who they live under.

But as an Uyghur, and what Uyghurs want and what Uyghur activists want is to be free of China. We don't want China occupying us. We don't want China oppressing us. We should be able to rule and govern ourselves. But practically, militarily, power-wise, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

The way I see it is that the work that I do hopefully is a platform for the next generation to come and so that they can build off that and then do something more to kick out our occupiers, basically. But China uses that as an excuse. As I mentioned, with that foreign legion in Syria,

perhaps there's about 2,000 or 3,000 fighters altogether. That is not a justification to be locking up millions of people at all. I don't see this happening in any other country. You know, to Syria, thousands of people all around the world, even Americans, Australians, Canadians, Europeans went to Syria to fight. I did not see any of those governments lock up 10% of their Muslim population into concentration camps.

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