Bella Thorne | Club Random w/Bill Maher
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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. Everybody wants you these days. That's got to be like... Hey there. Aren't you Mrs. Deadpool or something? Oh my goodness. I have big stress, my love for Deadpool. So what is that? The fans love it. They just, you know, they love it and they really ran with it. Sometimes people...

People do the casting. Do you have a drink? Do you want a drink? I have my little cup of water here. This is nice. You know, people sometimes cast Tina Fey as Sarah Palin. You know, they just sort of insisted. It was like, oh, okay.

You know, who else is going to play Sarah Palin? Tina Fey. Yeah. She kind of looked like her and, you know, it just, yeah, it just made for fun. Oh, also, I brought you a little gift because I was told you smoke. So I brought you some things to smoke, by the way. Oh, that rumor about me smoking? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, that rumor made its way all around the block.

Yeah, I am. I own a cannabis brand. And it's called what? Forbidden Flowers. Forbidden Flowers. Why forbidden? Because I feel like I'm not forbidding myself of any of it. I

you know, really hate the stigma around weed. I fell into weed because of like serious. Oh, this is beautiful. Stomach issues and anxiety and like crippling anxiety. And weed has really changed my life. What is it with you kids and anxiety? What is causing all the anxiety? I think everything. The world, the,

The way that the world is now, it's, you know, constant. It's bad, bad, bad. Everywhere you look is so bad. You know what? And it's hard to find enjoyment in your natural day. I find this to be a disingenuous argument because your generation doesn't know what's going on in the world. So how can you be that fucking concerned about what's going on in the world? I know what's going on in the world. I should have the anxiety.

I follow it. You kids don't follow it. You don't know what the fuck's going on in the world. What are you upset about? What is the world problem? I think it's definitely things that we know what's going on. Maybe we don't know necessarily always the full story, 100% of the full story. But, you know, I think we definitely, yeah, we're seeing it. We're hearing it and we're vocal about it. And all these young kids growing up with this form of social media and...

And media in general, it's just, it's like, wow, you know, how long is it going to be before we're just used to it and it's not that bad anymore, you know? Can I tell you, I have been sent in my life quite a few boxes and setups. This is such a beautiful, I mean, it is so elegant. Thank you.

Thank you. I don't think I've ever seen one. Really? Yeah. I love it. You can see the ombre between them. It's such a piece of art, this box of dope. It's so pretty, right? It's fantastic. And then people love to collect them. Look at this ashtray. Oh, if you're listening to this while you're walking your dog, you're missing something.

such a great thing. This is so beautiful. Yeah. I mean, that's a real, I mean, that cannot be cheap either. It looks like it's from Tiffany's or something. Yeah. Glasshouse, who does Forbidden Flowers, is amazing. And why I wanted them was because they took so much care and actual effort into what the product is and how it feels, you know, the real product. And

I met so many weed companies before and I just, when I found Glasshouse, I was like, wow, and you guys care. This is why everyone wants a piece of you. What is that?

That's a... We don't have your student account yet. Yes! Yes, I love that you have a case. It's a cigarette case that I use to house my clove cigarettes, which I don't know what they're putting in these cloves these days, but it is fantastic. Who knows about the cloves? It's...

But that's why, because you put so much care into that. I mean, you're obviously artistic. Well, I knew that. You know, every time I've seen you, I always thought, well, that's a cool chick. You know, I wonder if she would come here and do a thing like that. Oh, fuck yeah. And then when you said yes, I thought, oh, well, I was, my instinct was right. Because I always thought you were cool because you would never, like, sort of back down when they came at you. I mean, I know you're dealing with the anxiety and all that.

You know, this is probably where the anxiety is coming from. Hate. Yeah. There's so much hate. In the world. Especially, no, also the pettiness on social media. Your generation. It's just crazy. Always like fucking harpies on each other. It's like, I don't know how you deal with it. Yeah, I would have anxiety too. Yeah. If I, I don't know what it would have been like if I grew up with like that kind of shit. And it's.

It's interesting. When I confront people your age with this, they never deny it and defend it. They're never like, no, we're not like that. They're always like, yeah, I know, it sucks. And it's like, I know, but it's your generation. If it sucks and you can control it, why don't you? Because you can't control it. Because you can control yourself, but you can't control the world.

You can control not looking at it, can't you? Even in friend groups, like, you know, we've got a really hippie friend group. There's some people that even like to make jokes about each other and, you know, they have a certain dynamic in their friend group that's very...

you know, a little like knifey but everyone's best friends but they like to do these little digs that ends up making people like later on in life you didn't even think it was anything and then you're like, oh, actually, I'm insecure about that now. Who knew? And in our group, like, you know, I've been in...

you know, making friends for a while. And it's so interesting every time, you know, we meet a new friend, make a new friend. We're very specific in our group. As soon as we start to see those kind of more negative tendencies come out, our group, like we're just, we're just too hippie. It's okay. I don't smoke it unless I roll it, but I can roll one. I have this thing. Baby, you do not have to explain that for two seconds more. I totally get that.

I mean, that is not one of my anxieties, but I totally respect that. And you are actually not even the first one to do that in that seat. You know Freddie Gibbs?

Love Freddie Gibbs. He was here very recently and he did the same thing. Really? And I totally respect that. First of all, I admire anyone who can roll. I've never, ever been able to roll. It was always a stumbling block in my development as an artist, I feel. I could have been much funnier and freer if I could have at least just learned to roll a fucking joint. But my joints, it just looks like I killed a cockroach. It's terrible.

And some people can make it look, I swear to God, like a cigarette. Oh, yeah. Well, you'll see. It's really about getting that, what's it called, that shape, you know, tighter, tightest at the end and fatter up towards here. Talk slower. Sorry. Talk slower. And that's important because some people… A very erotic description of a…

Some people just roll, like, they don't know how to close the back end, and I don't even roll with a filter. I don't smoke a filter. I just want to be straight. Isn't it funny? People do lionize you, like, sexually more than, like, there's always, like, a couple of chicks in any generation, and they're like...

Wow, like they're the go-to. Like when people want to like an example of something, somebody who like oozes sexuality, they say like you, like they would have Pamela Anderson in a certain era. I mean, that's a lot to live up to. Live up to? Yeah, for you. Oh, yeah.

I think, I guess technically it's like I'm already living it. I think I've always been as well like kind of a sexual person. So I just feel like even when I'm not like trying to be sexual, people are still like, I don't know, she's so sexy. Like there's something like that's really sexy about her that's so sexual. And I'm like, I don't really...

see what it is necessarily but it people just you know they just run with it well sometimes it's something that you i mean what gives it its power is that you can't define it exactly you don't know it's it's what they call an x factor you know and uh it's like what is that thing

Yeah, that extra thing. Yeah, well, if you could quantify it, it would lose its power. There's a mystery about it. You're right. I mean, like, why can line up 100 pretty girls, but, like, one stands out? Like, why did you get to be where you are? It's just, you know, it's partly work. It's partly an intelligence, usually, that somehow reads. And it's something like an X factor. You know, people don't fucking know. They just...

I saw you in this movie. I think it also like, you know, it depends. Like there's just every woman is so fucking smart. And then, you know, you,

it's like there's this thing that's kind of been put on women and you kind of have to, in some situations, like better to act not dumb but naive. And, you know, I see some girls that kind of use that and I'm like, you know, I don't know why you're like so fucking smart and I actually know you as a person and I, you know, I think it's just from over time. And that's why people say I'm kind of like in your face a little bit because...

Like you said, I kind of stick to my word and I'm very like, ugh, you know, like this. And I wasn't the kid that wasn't doing their homework. I was the kid that was asking for more homework in school onset to do. And when did the anxiety start? You know, I don't know. I think that as you get older, you start to kind of time things. You start to see rhythms in your life that happen, right?

For a second, I was getting, not a second, quite a few years, I was getting this terrible, terrible chest cramp that I got. Thank you so much. Oh, wow, this is such an interesting, I'm like, how do I break this off? I have anxiety with you just holding something for me. I was just going to say, honey, don't worry about it. There's nothing, no rush.

But I used to get this terrible, terrible cramp. I remember one time I was walking. Cramp? This cramp, yeah, this just debilitating cramp. Brought on by anxiety. Brought on by, and I didn't know for so much time growing up. Like, I got a colonoscopy, upperoscopy when I turned 18.

Because I did not know what the fuck was wrong with me. And one time as well, I remember it's just so clear as day walking out of this movie theater and I was like,

15, 16. And I just like, I had had cramps before, but this one was just so bad that I literally am walking outside and fall physically to my knees, like so fucking dramatic. And I just could not move. I just stayed on the floor. And I was like, what, what is happening to me? Like in my life? What was happening? Oh,

Literally, doctors are like, you know, we found nothing. It's just anxiety. Like, you know, here's... But what was the anxiety? You take a bunch of pills. It's just, they just say it's anxiety. Like, it's not even... I know, but look. It's not like, oh, here's all the things you have anxiety about. Of course, you're always going to have anxiety in your life about, like, pretty much a lot of things. But...

When it gets to such an extreme point where you might think I'm okay, like I'm acting normal, but my body is like, no, bitch, you is not cute right now. You is anxious as fuck. And here is a cramp to tell you. Bella, if we're going to make any progress in this psychiatrist patient relationship.

you're going to have to identify where the anxiety is coming from. We have to find the head of the snake. Right. You know, there's an alien on the ship and someone's going to have to go up there with a flamethrower and find it and fucking kill it. Because, you know, when it first got on the ship, we thought it was just a little fucking harmless little unicellular creature. Right.

And then it grew like crazy fast. And now it's this big fucking cramp in your stomach. But we got to get there. So I'm going to take a guess. I think...

Do you get anxiety? No. Well, of course, everyone gets anxiety to a degree, but I get way less than I used to. When I had anxiety, I was a child like you. I mean, not child, but yes, child into adolescence. I had terrible anxiety. I went to school every day with a knot in my stomach because I was afraid I was going to be the kid who was ostracized.

That was a big way we had before social media of being assholes. Kids are assholes. That's the banner headline. Underneath that, the technology changes how they're assholes, but they're born assholes. And there was one kid who was made fun of unmercifully, and sometimes...

For reasons I still to this day don't know, sometimes it wasn't that kid and it was some other kid. And sometimes that kid was me. I was like second in line to be ostracized. So I was always worried I was going to be the kid who like, you know, they would call it giving you the cold shoulder. No one would talk to you. You know, if you had to pick a song to sing for the Pledge of Allegiance or something, they wouldn't do yours. It was like just the same shit.

Because kids get their jollies being mean to other kids. I think also when you're growing up, you don't really know right from wrong. You have an idea of right from wrong, and every day you think, be right, be good today. Parents have to teach children. Yes, and I think in general, there's a certain curiosity to the younger part of your life. There's a very big curiosity that...

kind of lets you know the balance of right and wrong. And some people step over that line and then say, oh shit, that's the line. I didn't know that was wrong. I feel bad. Shit, I won't do that again. Some people step it, step it again, step it again, and it takes them a while to understand why this is wrong. They might like know it's wrong, but they still have all these other forces pushing them, you know, past that line. I was also bullied growing up. So like, I, I totally get it. And

I just feel bad for everyone involved. Everyone's got fucked up shit to deal with. And even the bullies who are terrible also have terrible conditions that they're dealing with that make them act this way and act out and shit. And you're just like, man, it's all one big clusterfuck. Well, we have to make the connection here between why they act like assholes and why you feel bad. And the connection is making you feel bad.

is what makes them... Feel good. Feel superior. Right. Or some... Yeah, whatever it is, it's your pain is coming at the expense of their...

Yeah. Not pleasure, but somehow bigging themselves up. Yes. Right? For people, like, you think, like, this is, oh, this is so bad, right? But people do this every day. Like, when you go through a breakup, and then your person starts dating someone new, and you're all, like, on their Instagram feed looking at it being like, oh, no.

person's like this. And like, they totally seem like superficial or like blah, blah, blah. And you're just finding reasons to kind of fill your own self doubt and insecurity. And people do that every fucking day. And don't even realize that that is not a good habit. That's a bad habit to start. And that habit only gets worse in other situations. You know, let's say someone kind of throws a dig. So you're like, Oh, I'll throw a dig back.

Yeah, another tricky line that people cross every day and don't know what that line really is. What would you assess, honestly, your participation in this sorry fiasco?

In the side. Well, of digs and have you never done it yourself? Oh, no. You know, I've definitely been... So you're not blameless in the scenario yourself? Oh, no, no, no, no. And, you know, in your head even. You do this as well, like, let's say you'll tear someone down and it's really because you don't have things that that person has, okay? And then you look in the mirror and you're like, I'm ugly in this. I could work on this. I could work on that. But you don't ever sit in the mirror and say...

I love this about myself. This is actually great. I fucking woke up today and that's, that's a clap on the back just right there. And you constantly have that kind of negative shit. And when I was younger, that used to be really bad. And I would see that kind of, that stuff kind of come out of my mouth, like word vomit, almost like negativity. And luckily I had my sister, Danny, who is, uh,

a hippie at heart and has the best, you know, even when she's finding her morals, she's always on that good side. And so now, like I said, our group is like really weary of kind of making comments or saying something that might be negative or hurt someone's feelings. And, you know, to do that as well, you, you gotta like start to, you know, love yourself. And that's, that's, that's always a tough battle.

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Go to SignalWire.com slash video today. I wonder what would happen if you kids had to go through something really traumatic like what they're going through in Ukraine now.

Do you think it would change your whole mindset about this and you'd be like, oh my God, we're obsessing about this bullshit about breakups and this one and that one and what they're wearing and who looks cuter and who pounds too fat and all this bullshit. And it would help you in some way if there was actually something real to worry about? Because...

I think a lot of the people who are the most anxious have the most privileged lives. I mean, look at your life. Everybody wants it. Everybody wants to be you. I don't know. I think that's a very narrow kind of mindset, you know, in the way of trauma. Everyone really has, you know, their trauma. Yeah.

What's happening in Ukraine is unspeakable. That is something else. But as far as trauma for every human being, you know, I lost my dad when I was eight. I was molested growing up. Molested? Yeah, I went through shit. Everybody goes through shit. Like, you know, when you kind of look at a book and you judge it by its cover and you say, oh, you know. I'm not judging at all. I'm just.

You're like, well, everyone, even on any platform at any time in anyone's life, you know, we do that as a society. We look at someone and say, you know, oh, they have it all. They must be so fucking happy. You've got nothing to complain about in your life. And you're like, yeah, well, you know, they're still with their therapist every day, you know, and they might have like PTSD nightmares and traumas and other things that haunt their dreams. First of all, being...

Yes. Molestation is a serious trauma. And death. Death in the family is so hard to grow up without a father. Holy shit, I cannot even tell you how hard it is. When a child is that young, that is. So hard. So those are legitimate, real traumas. Honestly,

On a par with the kind of things that people can go through in a war. Not quite as bad, but yes. No, they're not even comparable. Like, again, that's unspeakable. But they're more than just the regular bullshit. Yes, I'll give you that. But being with a therapist every day can also, yeah, I'll give you that. But it can also be an indulgence.

You know, what about people who have trauma and can't afford a therapist? What do they do? Oh, exactly. That is like so many fucking people. And even people that can afford it. There's so much stigma around getting help and talking about things and being out. That's like one of the best things right now about social media. That's like one of the most healthy parts that really make me think like there's good things in the world about social media is the openness that we have now about

about seeing a therapist, about even talking about it, suicide hotlines, like things now where you're like, wow, we really are. But don't you think some people overdo it with a therapist? And again, it's an indulgence. An indulgence? Yes. To talk about your feelings? And to talk about what makes you you? Wouldn't the smartest thing in life be knowing who you are? Some people see it every day.

See a therapist every day? Is that what you said? Some people see a therapist... No, no, no, no. That's not what I said. Oh, okay. No. Well, anyway, a therapist... Yes, I think people who are in therapy for 30 years...

I mean, we're trying to find the root of something or cure something. And every day is also filled with trauma. You don't know what's going to happen. Your brother could die. This could happen to you. Your life could be flipped upside down. At a certain point, shouldn't a therapist or seeing one train you to be able to do that for yourself without the therapist? I think great therapists, like for instance, my therapist taught me this thing where when you go down the rabbit hole of a negative thought, right? And the negative thought could be anything.

And then it's another one and another one. And now when it comes to a place where these thoughts aren't helpful, you're not doing better. You can't learn from these thoughts. There's no good exchange for you there. It's just negative and another one and another one and another one. When you do that, she was saying, it very much helps to take a light colored object. I usually have a lot of neon lighters, but you take one and you pick it up and you put it down and you pick it up and put it down, you pick it up.

And you do that. And this motion, changing your body, helps the thought go away, helps kind of interrupt that cycle a little bit. And so then you're able to, okay, I can move on to a new thought. And that has helped me so many times. Small things like that as well that you use in your life, like, you know, the more...

I go to therapy. I'm sure the more as well. There's so many things that I will learn if you have a good therapist that not only am I just going to talk about what happened, but I need tools to fix it. I don't want to walk around like this every day or the person I am. And I have these negative things that I want to change. I don't want to keep doing this. And it doesn't just help for me to just

you know, sometimes sit there and talk about it for an hour. No, I want something to help me get out of these habits. I'll just say two things. One, you know that among the crazy people in the world,

like therapists, very high quotient of truly crazy people are therapists. Really? Absolutely. The craziest people in the world are psychiatrists. They just are. Well, it must be such an interesting thing to understand the human brain in such a way. You've got to be crazy smart. Well...

I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying therapy can't do good and has done good and we should have therapy. Yes, there is absolutely a place for that. We should have therapy. There absolutely should be a place for that. I should not, but some people should. I allow for that.

But how long can this guy have with you before you go, oh, wait, I've been seeing you for seven years and I'm not really better. Maybe it's you.

Maybe you're not a great shrink because shouldn't I be at a more advanced place in this journey I'm trying to get to where I'm not. It depends. How advanced are you in your journey? Is it helping or is it not? Do you feel like some things are helped or some things aren't? Well, how long do you give it? How long?

That's a good question. I don't know. I mean, if you had a broken leg and it wasn't healing in seven years, I'm like, Doc, you know, I've been on the bench since the 96 playoffs. Can I, you know, I mean, you'd call that into question. I myself haven't been in therapy very long because also there was kind of, you know, I was a part of the stigma around the word therapy. You know, that kind of just sounded a little odd.

and like I'm just going to talk about my feelings and do this and like what I'm just going to cry for an hour like that sounds fucking fun like I want to fucking do that with my day and then you know it took me a while of you know bad habits and seeing being unhappy being uncontrollably unhappy to sometimes that you're just like I literally don't want even just talking about the feeling is like getting me choked up like just thinking about being in that spot again in my life you know

And then I finally was like, okay, I'm actually just going to bite the bullet and, like, try a few therapies. And if it doesn't work and I don't like it, like, whatever, okay. But, like, I'm just going to try because what's the other option? Keep going down this road of negativity and self-doubt and insecurity and just, you know, trauma? Like, fuck that. I must say, just talking to you now for just this small amount of time, I really see why –

You are so big as you are and why you have this giant fan base and why there's a big thing around you. Because you're a hot chick who also like is... A hot chick. Who's like completely... The hot chick. Open and vulnerable, you know, about the fact that it hasn't made you that happy. And that's a very... I could see how that's a very attractive thing to people and how lots of people, especially your age, look at that and...

I think at any age when you see someone being honest, you're like, damn, that's hard. Right. It's hard to be honest in life. It's hard to be honest with yourself. Sure. And to be outspoken with your honesty in front of people is so hard. Times that by millions. It's like you're like, you know, we just know it's hard.

It's hard to be honest. I love honesty. I'd rather someone give it to me fucking straight all day long than be honest. That's what you're here for in Club Random. Yeah, definitely. Get it straight here. We no lube. We put it right in. Yes, raw dogging. Let's go. But look, I mean, as much as there do, when you are on the world stage, and you're right, everything is magnified by a zillion, it is harder. But,

You're not about to give it all up and open a yarn store in Vermont. I mean, let's be honest. Who said anything about giving it up? I'm saying you're not. As much as there are things that come with it that are not that attractive and magnify your anxiety, it's still better than being bored. That's why I also don't sit there like a lot of...

interviews and stuff really do, you know, want to talk about the, the negative, the negative side, the negative side. And, you know, as I've gotten a little bit older in my life, I just don't want to see things in such a negative way. Like social media, for instance, that's such an easy one, like man, a place with, for hateful, hateful things are said, you know? And now like, I'm always trying to find positives about social media. And I, and I try and do that with things in

any of the negative spectrum with things in my life. But, you know, I get asked like all the time, like these kind of very negative questions, wanting, you know, to talk about the dark things, about anything, you know? And you're like, let's mess around a little bit, guys. - I mean, social media has been rocket fuel for your career.

Oh, yeah. Social media has been rocket fuel for everyone's career. Like, damn. Well, not mine. You know? I mean, I did it the old-fashioned way. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. But...

Oh, that is quite a... Oh, right, you're engaged now? Oh, yes. Which one is the... This one. Jesus Christ. Yes, I love... It's almost like brass knuckles. Yeah. Jesus, Chris Rock better not piss you off. These dreams...

Put a dent in somebody's head. Yeah. Oh, that's an engagement ring? Yeah. That is the coolest thing of this one. Yeah, this one. None of them are small. Did your boy do that so it would match the other ones, like in sort of size and stature? Uh,

What is this, the Eiffel Tower? I like to think it's an arena. You could put drugs in there. I know, it doesn't open up. It's fucked up. Not that that's the first thing that ever crosses my mind about a ring. But you could. You could really put drugs in there. I'm making a jewelry line right now. And we're making a bunch of, like, grinder rings and stuff. Really? That you can, like, grind your little fucking lead off and shit. Listen, I have to go through the airport in Utah next week. Would you be a lamb and come with me?

I don't think it's a good place for me to be. And wear the Frankenstein boots because I got to tell you, I love these fucking boots. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, my God. I love those. Oh, look at this. Of course, it's got the name right there. Boy, designers. What a fucking scam they have. Like, the way they can, like, put their name right on the shit.

What's the scam about putting their name on their chair? Well, I mean, like other products don't do it. This chair doesn't say, you know, chair by Bob. You know, it was, very few people get to. No, but there's a label. When you look at the label, it'll say. But it's not like prominently displayed like that. I mean, they put it on clothes.

You know, I think Tommy Hilfiger was like the first one to do that. Oh, really? I could be wrong about that. I could be completely making that. Just this fucking bullshitting just coming right out of your mouth. Like, shit. Sometimes a thought enters your head and you're like, I will call myself on that and say, I think I'm just pulling this out of my ass. Good. Good for you. I'm glad you're not just speaking facts. Right. No, no, no. It also could be true. But yes, I would not bet more than like $100 on that. In fact, I would bet no dollars on that.

Should we bet $100? No. Not on Tommy Hilfiger. But I seem to remember... No, you know what? I'm already... I'm wrong. Versus... Jordache. Do you remember what Jordache jeans were? No, you're too young. Like in 1980, like Brooke Shields, I think, did the ad...

Yes, it was like they were the biggest genes, Jordache, and Brooke Shields was like, nothing comes between me and my Jordache. I mean, it gave everybody a giant boner in America when Brooke Shields, who was this basically, she was probably, you know, she was a child star. So she could have been like...

She was. Yeah, she was. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. And then that sort of controversial looking. Fuck the weird as fuck. Yes, controversial. People all super sexualized her as a child. Oh, you know about that. You know about that. Child. Oh, yeah. I've seen also Blue Lagoon and like I've seen a lot of her younger movies as well as, you know, some coverage behind it growing up and.

I can only imagine that there are some hard moments in her life. Also having to act so young. Yes, well, I mean... And become famous so young at interesting times. She seems a pretty happy person. I'm sure she is. She went on to do a sitcom. Anyone who can do a sitcom can't be too depressed. Are you sure? I feel like there's so many comedians on the darker side of things.

I know. I usually meet a lot of people. I'm going to lift you up. Believe me, anyone would know about comedians being in the dark side. I've been working with them for 40 years. I spent my whole life with them. They're all kinds of comedians, by the way. You should know this. Some of them are brilliant. Some of them are really not. But most of them are pretty smart.

Some of them are scummy. A lot of them are great. They're just like a cross-section of life. They're just funny. There's just a million different ways to be funny, you know. But, yes, like I feel like this, I see this in you now. You do have like a tendency to like, you know,

Go toward the sad as opposed to the light. That's what I mentioned earlier about having to, you know, working on retraining the brain. I know. I've always been kind of gone half empty. I think club random can do this better for you than that fucking trinket you got. I love Mind Therapist. It's a thrill. I know you do. Well, that's part of the scam. What? No, I'm not. What's a part of the scam? Oh, scam? Who said scam? I didn't say it was a scam. I'm just saying. You like that word scam. I do.

I don't know about you. Maybe you're a scam. I don't know why you even heard that. That must be fucking high. You kids with your drugs. You don't know what you're talking about. You're making things up. Scam.

Scam. No, psychiatry is a lovely profession. I'd love to do it myself. Actually, I would. You know, I always say when they ask me in interviews, like, what would you do if you weren't a comedian? The honest answer is I'd love to be a psychiatrist. And I think I could be a better one than a lot of them. I mean, they go to school. I don't know what they fucking learn in psychiatry school. I'm sure there are things, but it's also theoretical. I mean, first of all, the profession is only 100 years old. I mean, like, is your Freudian?

My girl, is she a Freudian? What does Freudian mean? Well Freud, you know, Sigmund Freud, the father of psychology. I mean the guy who invented the whole business of it. I mean he's the old school, he thinks most things are sexual. You know, he invented, well there's a few fathers, Carl Jung, Erickson, and you know, I think one of them, maybe Erickson, identified stages like the anal stage.

from birth to age two is called the anal stage because your anal, you're like shitting in your pants and like how you are treated there even though it's not in your conscious as you age whatever happened to you in your anal stage has defined your personality. That would be old school psychiatric thinking. So like if you were like I guess sitting in your own poop all the time or something

When people say now, even today, when they say I'm anal, meaning I'm very neat, that comes, why do you think they use that word anal? Are you fucking with me right now? I'm not fucking with you. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, psychiatry 101. This is crazy. I'm like, wow. No, I'm telling you, this is what...

I use the term anal all the time. But that's where it comes from. Wow, what the? It comes from the anal stage, zero to two. Freud would say, even though it's not in your conscious what happened in those years, it's in your unconscious. And that has shaped your personality. I'm very anal. Everything is very neat. And how do you feel about this idea?

Um, I don't know. I mean, it's very theoretical, of course, but it is, that is what the father of psychology put forward. And some shrinks today are still Freudians. Other have diverged. It's all so pie in the sky. We just are guessing this is what's going on in the human mind. We don't know. I prefer to just like, my method of being happy is like,

Don't have bad things happen. Try to keep bad things as far away from me as possible, and then I will be happy. But that's like a very practical approach. It's not a very modern approach. And yes, but Freud would say the anal stage, I mean, what was your, let's go to your anal stage. Yeah.

That came out wrong. I'm saying, what happened to you from the ages of zero to two? Do you think you were treated well? I was modeling. I started modeling at six weeks old, literally. Yeah.

You okay there? You also got some ash on your inner thigh. That is not the answer I expected. What happened to you at six months, Bella? Well, I was modeling. I was. Wow. People say they were born in a trunk. You almost were.

They say in vaudeville, I was born in a trunk, meaning I was born into show business. I was born into flashing lights, and I think that hindered my eye capabilities, okay? So your mother made you a model as a child. Well, my other siblings were in modeling, my sister Dani and my brother. And Dani was the first to start modeling. So you're just a good-looking family.

That they wanted in modeling. I guess so. And Dani started modeling when she was younger. And then Remy. And then my mom loves to tell the story that she was at a photo shoot with my brother. And she was pregnant with me. And she was about to pop. And they were like, oh, when's the baby due? And she was like, oh, October. And they were like, oh, that's great. That's right around, you know, when we're going to be shooting, like, our spring and summer shit. Like, we would love to...

book it and she was like you don't know if it's a boy or a girl yet and they're like it doesn't really matter you know different color hat blue pink it's like you can't really tell at that age and you're like oh wow my mom's like she had her first not only can't you tell before she was even born it doesn't even it doesn't even matter because everybody's switching their sexes

Constantly. No, I'm not kidding about that. I mean, I am kidding about that. But people do switch sexes a lot more than they used to. You know, there's a lot of trends. You know, I always see that in the paper about somebody who has switched their sex, which I'm all... That's what makes you... Is that what blows your dress up? Bad bitches all the way. Who? Yes.

Bad bitches. Bad bitches? Bad bitches. Oh, bad bitches. Bad bitches. Be who you are. Yes, claps. Right. It makes me happy. I mean, I think there's some money to be made in some sort of exchange program

with everyone switching where like, you know, if you need a penis, take a penis. If you have a penis, give a penis. You know, like if people are becoming like men to women, they're going to cut off their penis. And then there are women transitioning who are going to need a penis. I feel like there was some exchange. Maybe Bitcoin could be involved. You could, you know, no? I just don't like joking about

Oh, Bella. I know that you like to, but I don't think it's funny. Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't think it's funny. What a shame. That is where you're at. I'm sorry. You don't have to be sorry, but I'm not sorry either. I don't think it's funny.

And that is where your anxiety comes from. There is nothing wrong with joking. Nothing wrong about that. Not everybody is that sensitive. Not everybody needs to be that sensitive. Even the people who are doing that, I don't think, would need to be offended by that. Everybody is so easily offended. You kids, you wake up offended. You should get off Twitter. Get off social media.

And maybe you wouldn't have this anxiety. Because I don't know if you're really offended or you're just worried that you're going to look offended. No, I'm 100% offended. When I think about someone's trauma and the videos that I have seen...

That are so, like, so fucking bad. And what people have to worry about walking on the street just being themselves, like, that's fucking anxiety. That's why I don't like to, like, joke about it because, you know, someone hears it and on a public platform is so bad because you're, like, kind of low-key spreading, like, this, like, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. And it's, like...

It's not funny when your face is being beaten in the floor. You know what? You can connect any bad thing with any other bad thing. Of course, there are a lot of bad things. You know what? Mel Brooks did a movie called The Producers, and he had a song in it called Springtime for Hitler. If I really tried, I could probably connect Hitler with something sad.

But we don't because that's not how we live. That's not how we can live because everything can be connected to something sad. And then you'll be sad all your life. And that's why you are sad. And you don't have to be sad. Not everything has to be said. Not everything is said. Everything could be said. We choose whether to make it sad or not.

You don't think there's something to that, Terry? I think when it comes to your own trauma, like, you know, I make dead dad jokes. Make some people who know me very well super uncomfortable sometimes. Well, what could be more sensitive than that? But, like, for your own trauma, like, you, you, you know, it's, I don't know, I just. But that's your own trauma and you're okay with joking, you just said.

Do I think it's really funny if someone's joking about raping a girl? Give me a dead dad joke. I don't think that one's really funny. That one's not so funny, and that's another trauma of mine. It depends on sometimes how you feel. Only one of us is a comedian, so I'm going to have to pull rank on that. But give me a dead dad joke.

Oh, no. Come on. No, no, no. You said you were having dead dad jokes. No, no. I just like, you know, it's not like I have a literal dead dad joke. It's more like, you know, conversations are being had and, you know, there's an opportunity to, you know, make a dead dad joke. Like, you know, and then, you know, you're like, eh. I mean, it's the way to own it.

It's the way to own it. Yeah, when you decide to own your pain is however you decide to own your pain. But it's like, you're not going to control me with this pain. I'm going to own it. It's like the way African-Americans took back the N-word. It was a horrible slur. And then they said, but we're going to own it. You know? And anyway, look...

It's good that we can agree to disagree. We don't have to agree on everything. That's what an honest conversation is, you know? But I bet you, like, in 10 years, when I'm dead and you're here hosting the show and you're talking to somebody, I don't know where I'm going with this, but I'm just saying we're all in the process of evolution. Me too. Yes.

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Yeah. Is that very soon, the upcoming nuptials? You know, things with COVID are just... COVID. Yeah.

Oh, stop it. Oh, you're anxious. Of course you're anxious about COVID. That's even dumber. Well, besides being anxious about COVID, it's more just like, you know, friends and family flying somewhere, this and that. COVID is not that bad. A wedding in COVID. It's not going to kill you, COVID. I promise. Oh, no, no, no. But I just, you know, it makes things more difficult when you're planning a wedding. It's already hard enough to plan a wedding and planning

a wedding in COVID is also very difficult. So we're just chilling. It was fun for two years.

to be paranoid, but it's over. I mean, it's yes, it will always be here. Like a million bad things are here. Right. Lots of health threats are here. Um, I am much more worried about cancer than I am about COVID. Um, but you know, you, we can't get to zero worries or zero deaths or zero anything with COVID or anything bad. So we just have to say, you know, uh,

My point more so was that it's hard to plan a wedding, very hard to plan a wedding in COVID. And anybody that's planning weddings in COVID, my mom just got married and, you know, it was, I saw her. Why is it hard to plan? Because everything's open again. It's just things are, you know, more difficult. Like, it's just, you know, it's a long list. Who's giving you shit about it at this point? Let's not talk about the difficulties. Let's talk about the happier things. Okay, great. Happy side. So where are you going to have this one?

You're the one who mentioned COVID. I said, you're getting married. You're like, oh my God, COVID's fucking it all up. Of course, you go right to the sad part. Okay, okay, right, right, right. I'm telling you. Because you asked me when, and I'm like, well, you know, that's kind of why we haven't decided when yet. Now, how did you know he was the one? I think our communication skills are just like off the charts. You know, I've never had a partner where...

When you speak to each other, you both really listen and marinate. And you don't just...

all the time and also kind of picking at each other about stupid things. Like, I don't even know. Like, dumb shit that you get into fights in a relationship and you're like, why are we even talking about this? This is literally stupid. Sounds like he's secure. We don't do... Yeah. And that's important in a guy. Yeah. We just have a really beautiful way of seeing each other in the way that he sees me and us always wanting to make each other better in the best way. Like, I just...

I love that. And he brings out, like, also, like, the more healthy sides of me and that kind of stuff that I would always want more in a partner. Like, if I have my choice, I'll be chilling all day, binge-watching shows, fucking never moving, ordering multiple foods. My bed's just filled with food. I'm just chilling, and I'm binging, okay? I'm binging hardcore. And I've got a whole watch list on my phone every day. Wait, and he stops this? Uh-uh. And...

Not that he stops this, but he's also much more like, baby, we should go outside. I'm like, I know we should go outside. He's like, let's go on a walk. I'm like, I know, okay, let's go on a walk.

a walk. But, you know, if I get into a show, I'm like, we have to watch the next episode. I need to know the next episode. Sometimes when shows come out and they're just, I know they're going to be so good, I'll just wait. I'm like, no, it's better to wait. I'm going to wait like three, four weeks. I'm not going to look at socials. I'm not going to hear nobody tell me because I need to watch this shit back to back to back. I'm very curious. What are some of the shows that captivated you like this that you had to watch? Because I have shows like that too.

Oh my God, there's been so many great shows, God. Californication, The Sopranos. Californication? Boy, going back, I watched every episode of that. Such a great fucking show. David Duchovny. Yeah. You know who had her first acting job on that? Zoe Kravitz. Really? Yes. Gosh, she's amazing. I remember that. I think it was her first. The first time I ever saw her. A little part in Californication, a Showtime sitcom. God. Wow, I love it.

Wow, I would never have guessed. Smart and talented and beautiful. It's interesting that you said that show. I hadn't thought about that show, but David Duchovny was terrific, right? Yeah, uh-huh. It was a great character. The writing, everything, you're just like, they really nailed it. I mean, it was a...

Yeah, I mean, he got away with being a rake. You know, he got away with being this fucking guy who, you know, always have to have the plot line of, I really love my wife. Of course, I'm fucking her mother. There were so many other broads, but I really love her, so that makes me very vulnerable. But really, remember, because he loved her, but he was always getting a lot of tail. And, you know, it's like... He's a sex addict. It's kind of like, you know...

Musicians get away with singing those songs like Willie Nelson and Julio Iglesias. Do you remember this song? You're probably too young, but... To all the girls I've loved before... Yes. You do know that song? Yes, I do. Who came in and out my door... And it's like they're getting away with something only musicians can get away with. You know, we're just basically saying...

you know, look, you came in and out my door. But, you know. The player culture is very interesting. It's definitely, for men, it's like so celebrated. The player culture. You're right. It's very, and in movies and TV. You're totally right. The difference with movies where you don't get that side with music unless you really get to know the artist is that when you have the player culture in movies, it's like, oh, the bad boy, the jock, oh, he's bad. He's saving the girls. Oh, but we still like him and we want him to win and

Maybe he'll change. He might change, girls. Hold on. Hold on. And every girl is like, okay, maybe he'll change. Right, so isn't this partly the fault of women? Yeah.

what isn't this partly the fault of women who like the bad boy and enable him and you just were imitating a woman I don't know how the culture of like the idea of this is we like love a bad boy like I don't know if it happened in society in movies if it just happened everywhere and then that just became a thing or it happened with women I don't know but I

I feel like every girl that dates a bad boy is like, why am I dating this bad boy? But they do it. I knew he was a bad boy. And now it's just like, oh, but maybe he's just bad boy on the exterior. And he might be a cushy little teddy bear. Right. And then you're like, no, okay. Hmm. Right. He's just a bad boy. But when I met Ben, my fiance, he definitely had bad boy exterior written all over him. And, you know, he's not a bad boy. He's actually a really great boy. I was like, oh, this is kind of...

I guess this are the times that girls are like, oh, maybe he will actually be better than what, you know, he's kind of just showing me right now or what I can get from this. And yeah, with Ben and Agnes, we're there. But isn't it kind of like they want, I mean, they just want this guy because they think he's hot. Yeah.

And then, no, I think with most women, it's so mental. Like, oh, that's why it's so hard for girls to come because it's like so mental. But you're kind of saying they want this guy they think is hot and then they're going to hope that the mental part comes along. I just don't know. I've never, like, it's been, I just, I can't, like, you can see an attractive man. This is me speaking for me, not you.

not all women and, you know, I know a lot of girls who are just like, oh my God, he's so hot. Like, I want to get his number. I would totally fuck him. Okay. But for me, like, you know, I, and, you know, like, it just, you know, really,

I'm like, that's a very attractive person. Good for you. But I don't know. I don't usually even steer towards those people as far as my type. I think you are more typical of all women. I do. I think women are deeper than men, especially with that kind of thing. Men are superficial. They always say men fall in love through their eyes, women through their ears. Is that what they say? Well, that's it. I haven't seen they. They used to come by the club, but I guess they're not.

doing other things but yeah that's like a saying and uh or maybe it's a proverb or you know maybe I don't know whatever it is it could be written on a Mayan temple I have no idea but it's something that's been around for a long time and it's kind of true I mean it survives because it's kind of true men do fall in love through their eyes and women through their ears which means they are deeper because it has to go into their brain where we we just go right to our balls and I

Yeah, the best way, again, I can describe that is back to the coming analogy. The what? You know, the coming analogy for women. Coming. To come for a woman. To get into that head space and the comfortability and relax. There's so much shit that sometimes you'll be like, even if there's something back there and it keeps ticking back and forth, you're like, oh, I can't come because there's fucking, what's happening over there? Is that a Roomba? Is the Roomba going off? Someone shut off the fucking Roomba.

We're going to get the Roomba out of here. What if the wrong song comes out? Yeah, exactly. You're like, oh, hold on. I do not want to come to this song. When you make Whoopi, as they used to say on the Newlywed Game, when you're making Whoopi with your fiancé, do you have music on? No. No music.

No music. No, we don't. No. Not even Crimson and Clover? Unless we're going to like fuck at a party and there's like music or something like, okay, like go into the bathroom and get a cookie in or something. Like, you're like, okay. What if you're just at home? What? I think it, no, no. At home, it's like. No? No.

Because that would be corny? But no music. Just dry. It's not dry, though. I'm kidding. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Technically, it's dry in that way. You're raw-dogging it. That's funny. But no, yeah. I'm also, for me, I'm much more into talking and really being in that moment with each other, not just like, oh, let's fuck to this beat. I don't know.

I don't know that we, like, I just don't need that filler. You know, it's kind of just like filler. What about just spa music? Oh, no. No, definitely not spa music. No lyrics. It's just the sound of a lake. Come on. Something to give a soundtrack. No, I know what you're saying. Turn on the rain machine. I mean, when I, listen to this. When I was in college, I had one tape. I was so poor. I had a boom box. That was my music system.

And I had like one, like old tapes, not even discs, tapes, like a cassette tape. And it's like, so when like the rare times I had sex with someone, I would put in a cassette. That was like my, you know, we didn't even consider you couldn't have sex without music. It was a big part of it.

But it was like the same songs. So it'd be like, I like knew, like when I heard a certain song come on, I'm like, oh my God, Purple Rain. I should have my finger in your ass by now. Not that I ever did that. That would distract me so much. I could not, because you just know certain things are coming up. Absolutely not.

Absolutely not. Totally taking you out of the moment. See, that's why I don't fuck with music on. And I feel you on that one, girly. Taking you out of the moment. Yeah, taking you out of the moment. And you know, your thing about the female orgasm, I'll tell you, as someone looking back from the 60s, that is the number one thing men have trouble learning and then hopefully someday learn.

But I would say that it's such a mental thing for a woman to have an orgasm. You cannot just...

fuck it out of them, as some men think they can. No, 100%. And, you know, I think as a woman, too, like, it takes a long time to understand your own body, and that's why, you know, I'm always talking about sex, bringing, you know, just really trying to end stigma around the word sex in general, because we all do this. Why are we so uncomfortable with it? And it's just like, you know, falling down the rabbit hole over there. So I just...

that learning about your body as a woman is so important. And, you know, to each their own on time, how quickly you get there, how quickly you start understanding. Like, it takes a long time. And some girls, like, go, like, years, like, half their lives without knowing how to come. Like, it's totally... So you see this as kind of like a mission of yours to, like, get these women to understand this. Yeah.

Something you can do for women. And in general, you know, the word sex, like, you know, the idea behind sex, everything that falls under sex and then boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, there's a whole list of things that, you know, people need to, you know, kind of wrap their mind

around it. And people are, you know, finally things are happening and it's moving forward in a great direction. You have, you know, so many females now opening up like vibrator brands and, you know, sex toys and different things. And it's just, it's so great. It's, it's so great to see, like literally it's. Oh, you mean like Gwyneth Paltrow and that kind of stuff? Demi Lovato has one too. Vagina Candles. Cara Delevingne. Right. There are so many also,

also more home businesses coming into play now. Like, in general, the market's opening up in a way where people can understand this now and not be so, like...

oh my God, I can't even believe they're like talking about sex right now. Like, and you're just like, what is happening? Like, or, oh my God, I can't even believe they're talking about sex right now. It's so bad, like so inappropriate. Like that kind of idea. I think we've been talking about sex for a while in America.

I mean, there was a time when they weren't, but I think we have broken that barrier a while ago. I mean, I certainly never really held back, but of course there were restrictions on commercial TV. I was on there for a while. You know, I remember a time when in TV you couldn't say the word ass or fart. Fart? You couldn't say fart. They took fart from us? You couldn't say sucks.

It took far. I mean, you would not believe how... I'm seriously upset right now. I'm like, my mind is like, I'm not happy. Now you can, I mean, Comedy Central, which is not... It went that far. Comedy Central is not a pay cable station. Comedy Central, anybody can get it, I think, with an antenna. They have those roasts now. They say everything but...

Maybe I don't think cunt is allowed, but I think everything is allowed. I love cunt. I love cunt. You love cunt. God, such a good one. It's such a great topic. Tell me why you love cunt. I love the word. That came out wrong again. I love the word. I love the vagina. You know, in England, they say...

Oh, you loved it. But, yeah, at one point I did a Twitter poll and I was like, should I name my dog Cunty? Because cunt, like you can't literally yell across the one I really thought. Like cunt,

get over here like not gonna happen even cunty and then the other one was tampon and yeah and because i really wanted to take a word that people felt was like so like oh i'm so offended by it and you know call something that's so cute like a little dog and i just thought that was great like you know now when you think of this word after you've met tampon you're like oh

Aw, tampon's actually cute. Yeah, tampon is kind of cute. I'm glad you didn't go with cunty. I got to say. But tampon didn't like her own name. Like, then it ended up literally me calling her all the time, tampon, tampy, tampy, tampon. And she just never. So then all of a sudden we came to Ma, Mommy. And her name is Ma.

Is this the kind of thing that you would discuss in therapy? Like, you would run this by the shrink? Like, should I call my dog Cunty? No. No. Too specific? That would be so funny if I was spending my therapy time with...

debating cunty or tampon so that's too true um no yeah I feel like I'm a waterfall every time I start therapy like every time I begin the session I'm like oh I know it's going down bitch you

You in for a ride today. For this one hour, you in it. Get ready. Buckle up. And you think this is because the guy draws this out of you? The girl. Yes. The girl. I'm so sorry. The woman. Yes, she's amazing. That was wrong of me to assume it was a man. She's great. And...

Do I think she draws it out of me? No, no. I feel like I'm on a mission. I'm just on a mission in life. And even in therapy, I'm on a mission. I'm trying to fix this shit. I'm like, yo, I'm paying you this hour, this money count right now. Like, I need to get this shit out and you need to help me. Like, let's team up on me right now. Like, how do we get this shit under control? So I'm like, like, literally, I'm gearing up.

Like, every time I know I have to schedule a therapy session, which also makes it more difficult when you're, like, going through your daily life. So it's not a regular weekly thing? No, because with my schedule, like, you have to – when you're doing therapy, sometimes, like, with how I feel, you know, it's like the hour before, I need to kind of gear up for it. Like, I can do something, but I don't really want it to be work-related and –

hours, all, a lot of the hours of my day is work. So I'm like, and then the hour after I could be in a bad place for like an hour after I do a therapy session, let's say we go like real, real in the mud, fingers in the mud on it. Then yeah, for like the next hour I could be like, wow, you know, and I'm not going to just like,

be like, Oh, let me just smoke and get, you know, have a drink. Like, let me just get out of this. And like, I'm just not, I don't like to make those habits. So I'm just like sitting in that hour, just trying to like, you know, decompress and find my, find my center again. Um,

Sounds like acupuncture. You don't want to schedule what? I've never done acupuncture, but I really want to try. Well, you know, you might be a little blue. Maybe not want to schedule a pickup game right after your acupuncture because your fucking body's full of holes or whatever it is. I'm not saying any of these things are.

Or wrong. Acupuncture, I think, has merit. I don't know. I mean, I think the jury's out, but some people believe it. Now, it could just be the placebo effect. I mean, the placebo effect is amazingly powerful. Whenever they test a drug, they test it with a placebo. And very often the placebo does just as well. Sometimes it does better.

And, you know, before modern medicine, all they had was the placebo effect because doctors, doctors, you know, these fucking quacks who did things like put dirt in a wound, they would, you know, do some crazy shit to you. Leeches or actually they still use leeches. Bad example. OK, but some crazy shit. And then the patient would get better.

And the reason I think that happened is because... Yeah, I believe in the placebo effect strong. The mind-body connection is so much stronger than modern medicine. We'll give it credit for. Modern medicine only matters if we can quantify it on a stat sheet. We can put numbers and decimal points. And that's just not exactly the story. And I think the mind does play an amazingly important role in health. Yeah.

Yeah, and health and pain. You've got to get your mind right. Yeah, intolerance. It's like, you know, the simplest form is like, you know, running on a treadmill, pushing yourself past the point that usually breaks you. And you're like, I'm going to stop. I have to stop. Like, I have to. And, you know, that point that your brain overrides all...

That everything in your body is telling you to stop. But you override that side. That's, you know, the power of the mind. And that is like the lightest, you know, spectrum of pushing yourself and then, you know, and believing in something and then it happening. You know, and with placebo effect, you're like, that's a whole other thing. That shit is crazy. Like, I do. Well, let me go on further and ask you about this.

Holistic medicine, classic holistic medicine, and I certainly steep myself in it, but I was always honest with the people I talked to who were practicing it.

my main doctor mostly, that I don't buy into all of it. I'm sorry. Some things, jury is out, and some things I'm like, oh, that may just be a little too close to religion. But one thing which I think jury out, but I'm willing to entertain it, they would say that all the emotions...

are posited in different parts of our body, like sorrow in our lungs, anger in our liver or bile. I think some of the organs of the body are named for, yes, they are, bile. I mean, we talk about that, and that's also an emotion. Phlegm.

is a word, phlegmatic means to be the emotion that is, I guess, encased in phlegm. So this idea has been around for a long time, that emotions are encased in different parts of our body, which means if you have a lot of sorrow, that's what makes your lungs vulnerable. And

I can see people going, oh, that's quackery and crazy. You know what? They just, my theory always on medicine, they just don't know very much. So don't fucking have that attitude of just, you know, like, oh, you're such a quack. We know, you don't know shit. So everything is on the table. So I don't know.

Yeah, everything is on the table. Right. And just the fact that those people don't, like, give any countenance to the mind-body connection, it's like, well, already, you know, you're not being bright on this issue to begin with. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, and even when you have something that you're like, no, this is a fact, you're like, okay, but things every day, we have so much more knowledge every fucking day, and facts are changing. Yes. Things change the more we know about them. Oh, absolutely. I totally believe in Dr. Google. You know, they love to... Dr. Google is scary, though. You're like, I have what? It depends on who's... What? What just happened to me? Are you sure? It depends on who's looking up Dr. Google, because here's the thing.

If you graduated medical school in 1980, you could still be practicing. And there's really no law that says you have to keep up on the latest. And medicine is always changing. And again, they're only at the infancy of understanding anything.

So you could be just like way behind. And of course, I personally have caught doctors not knowing something they should have known because there's lots of information out there. It's not like the old days where they are the secret priesthood who only they knew the answers. I mean, lawyers love to do the same thing. We'll call something a Latin phrase and then the plebs won't know what we're talking about.

Same thing with medicine, except now we have Dr. Google. If you have a good researcher, I would trust Dr. Google more than some idiot who hasn't kept up with what's going on in the world. Dr. Google has the answers. You just have to be clever enough to find them. But how do you find the good answers? Exactly. What is that in your case? Well, in my case, hire a researcher.

But most people can't do that. Right. I feel like that is a great use of my money at my age. Hire someone who just researches health. Yeah, I want to do that shit. Pennies on the dollar for keeping my ass alive. 100%, I'm into that.

You don't need it. You're young. I didn't even think of that. You're fine. Oh, my God. Start young. Do it. Get it in your bones now. Stop worrying about everything. You have a wonderful, charmed life. Your career is on the uphill. You're getting married. These are the good old days, darling. Yeah. All right. I hope you're not mad at me that we had a tiff, but, you know, that's what makes it honest, right?

Is that okay? Evolution grows. We're always learning every day. I feel like I know you a little bit, and I'm glad I got you. Are you shaking? Are you shaking your hands? Yeah. Do you feel the same way? Are you glad you got to know me a little bit? Yes. Yes. Really? I definitely feel the same way. Okay. You know, you only fight with your friends. Love you. Love you.

This is very fun. Thank you. I thought so. Thank you for having me. Ah, thank you for doing that. And I want to come back to the club. I want... I'm here for it. We're going to have a party here with all the other guests we've had. It's going to be awesome. Oh, fuck yeah. Yeah. Love it.