Christians in Bethlehem, along with other first-century Christian communities in the Middle East, are facing an existential crisis due to ongoing conflicts and ethnic cleansing, particularly in Gaza, Syria, and Iraq. The situation has escalated to the point where entire Christian communities are at risk of being eradicated.
Damascus is the place where the term 'Christian' was first used to describe followers of Jesus. Before that, they were referred to as 'the followers' or 'the way.' This marks a pivotal moment in the early Christian church's identity.
The 'Last Christmas in Bethlehem' campaign is an initiative launched to raise awareness about the potential eradication of Christian communities in Bethlehem and other parts of the Middle East. It aims to highlight the dire situation and call for action to protect these communities.
The conflict in Gaza has led to the destruction of churches, the killing of Christian women and children, and the starvation of Christian communities. The majority of casualties are children aged four to nine, and the situation has been described as ethnic cleansing.
There is hope that Trump could intervene to stop the ongoing violence and ethnic cleansing in the Middle East, particularly in Gaza. His anti-war stance and previous actions against ISIS are seen as potential indicators that he might take decisive action.
Christian communities in the Middle East, including those in Gaza, Syria, and Iraq, are some of the oldest in the world. They have faced centuries of persecution, but the current conflicts and ethnic cleansing pose an unprecedented threat to their survival.
Double tapping is a military tactic where a target is struck repeatedly, even after they are already dead or wounded. This brutal practice has been reported in the conflict in Gaza, particularly against children.
The Vulnerable People Project is an organization that works to rescue and support vulnerable populations, including Christians, Yazidis, and Muslims, in conflict zones like the Middle East. They provide aid, evacuate individuals, and advocate for their protection.
The petition on GazaChristians.com calls for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and aims to present this demand to President Trump when he takes office. It seeks to protect the Christian community in Gaza from further violence and destruction.
IDF soldiers are reportedly taking their own lives at a high rate due to the trauma of participating in mass human slaughter. They are haunted by their actions, and the psychological toll is expected to affect them for the rest of their lives.
Well, we have a great discussion in store for you today. It's my friend and fellow student of Rene Girard, human rights activist, film producer, general great guy, also karate champion, Jason Jones. How you doing? I'm good, brother. How you doing? Good. You know, hey, it's Christmas. Last time this year, we did an epic...
dialogue about Mary and all kinds of fun things with Gil Bailey and Jerry Boyer. That was a lot of fun. Yeah, I'd love to do that again. Yeah, we got to do that. It's always a little treat we like to do. Especially seeing that this may be the last Christmas...
with Christians in Bethlehem. Wow. Oh, man, you know, I was just thinking about that. I thought, you know, should I write an article, and maybe somebody's already done this, saying it's still Christmas in Bethlehem, you know? Is that something we should do? I have an article coming out in the next day or two on the last Christmas. We've launched the Last Christmas in Bethlehem campaign.
And I would say... I didn't even know that when I thought of that title, bro. Yeah, no. Well, it's... I'm glad we are on the same wavelength because it's striking to me that not every Christian in the world is flabbergasted, stunned that...
It's just, this will be the last Christmas. Seriously? Short of a miracle with Christians in Northern Gaza. There will, you know, there will never be Christians in Northern Gaza again, I suspect. Israel's ethnic cleansing will be complete. And if they don't have to cleanse Northern Gaza, I will say I will flog myself in the town square. But if they do, I would like to see every Christian Zionist in the town square flogging themselves again.
But not only will this be the last Christmas in northern Gaza, where the oldest Christian community in the world lives, it may be the last Christmas in Damascus, where the word Christian was birthed. It may be the last Christmas in Bethlehem. Christians in all the first century churches from India to Ethiopia through Egypt,
And Gaza and the West Bank and Israel, Syria and Iraq are facing an existential crisis. And we're not talking about it. And it's it's it's it's unbelievable to me.
Well, let's talk about it. So Damascus is the place where Christian was first used. Can you explain that for folks? Yeah, I think that's where the word, I forget who it was, which one of the church fathers, but before that they were just called the followers or the way. But yeah, the word Christian was first used and my chat GPT can tell me when, but it was in Damascus. I'll find it for you right now. So you're saying that this could be the last place
Christmas for a lot of folks, actually, if this thing doesn't get some sanity to it, right? Yeah, and then what does that mean for the rest of us Christians around the world? What will Christmas mean? Fulton Sheen, the great Catholic bishop, Emmy Award-winning television host from the 50s, said that the foundation of solidarity in the world is when it's Christians' concern for other Christians. Paul's letters, over 70% of the time, when he exhorts Christians
his fellow Christians to pray, fast, and tithe, it is for the persecuted church. And I often wonder who wasn't persecuted when Paul said that. Who was like, yeah, I'll pray and fast and tithe for others. But it's as if the whole early church was thoughtful of those who had it worse. And here in the West, we know we confess because Starbucks says happy holidays instead of Merry Christmas.
But then we're silent at the eradication of entire Christian communities. We're silent when Christians in Gaza are starving to death. We're silent when Christian women stepping out of mass in Gaza are shot by Israeli snipers. We're silent when 2000 pound bombs are dropped from American made fighter jets onto churches in Gaza, which they have bombed every church.
And shrapnel rips apart the tender flesh of women and children. The majority of the casualties in Gaza are between the ages of four and nine. The majority of casualties in Gaza are children between the ages of four and nine. Now, again, I want to stop just because this is what the neuro programming has been for decades.
There are certain Fox News program minds right now that just heard you say that, and they said, well, that's the unfortunate consequence of these cowardly Muslim extremists who hide behind four and nine-year-olds, four through nine-year-olds. Yeah, 40,000 Hamas fighters are sneaky. Boy, they're sneaky because they've hid behind every child in Gaza. They've flattened every building in Gaza. They've flattened every church and school. So these 40,000 fighters...
Man, they are bilocating. They're everywhere all the time. You know, look, when two women were shot by Israeli snipers, nothing was done. Nothing was said. But oops. You know, I will say the Israeli press and the IDF are much more honest than the United than U.S. press and our politicians. Yeah. And Israel, it's it's not a secret that.
That they bombed in October, it was October 7th, they killed most of their own, most of the casualties now we know were probably from the IDF inflicting casualties on Israelis. It's not a secret in Israel. It's not a secret in Israel, the epic civilian death toll.
It's not a secret in Israel that they're raping Palestinians and they're shooting and double tapping children. Not a secret at all.
And, you know, it's what's double tapping. I apologize. I'm a former infantryman. It's when somebody is dead or wounded again and again and again. And so they found those people. Why are they? Why would they? What kind of a creature would shoot a child over and over again once it's dead? Well, Rene Girard would say, you know, you and I would do that under the right circumstances, I guess.
I guess if we started to believe our neighbor was a monster, yeah, I guess that's the concept, right? Yeah, and that is really the sorrowful thing. You know, I hate bringing this up because everywhere else in the media is concerned for Israelis. I, too, have concern for Israelis. It's just I don't feel the need to talk about it. You know, when...
There's a full-fledged ethnic cleansing happening in Gaza. But as a former soldier, the father of a soldier, the brother of a soldier, the son of a soldier, and I have a lot of family members and friends who've suffered from the trauma of war, the trauma of mass human slaughter, you know, these IDF soldiers are taking their own lives at a horrible rate. And so they know what's happening. They know what they're doing. They're going home haunted.
And when the war enthusiasm dies down, when the mimetic contagion evaporates and society moves along to the next enthusiasm, these poor young Israelis for the rest of their life, when they're back in their apartment in Tel Aviv on those quiet evenings, every cell in their body is going to hurt. Their soul is going to ache in a way that unless, you know, the most by God's grace, most of us will never understand.
But we're also culpable. We're all culpable because we're allowing this to happen. Does Trump have the guts to stop it? I really believe he does. You know, you have the means to stop it. I think he does. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this. Look, either way, here's what's going to happen. MAGA is going to break in half. If Trump does not stop this, Trump will be mired in quicksand.
the conservative movement, because he built his foundation on the anti-war impulse, his humane impulse. And he was against the Iraq war before most people. Now everyone claims to have been against the Iraq war. In 2013, Trump said, why are we funding the people in Syria that were flying planes into our buildings, that want to fly planes into our buildings, which is really what happened. Like, I want to put this in perspective for you, David.
On September 11th, 2001, Islamist extremists from Saudi Arabia flew planes into the World Trade Center towers. OK, this is the story that we've been told. OK, and that was used as a justification to go into Afghanistan to hunt for al Qaeda. Although the Taliban had offered us al Qaeda on a silver platter, we said, nah, we'll come get them because, you know, we're that tough.
and $2 trillion and lots of blood and thousands of American lives and uncountable Afghan lives. Later, the Taliban is in control. Al Qaeda operates across Afghanistan. They operate freely across most of Afghanistan. Iraq collapsed. Then we had to go into Iraq. Chemical weapons, yada, yada, yada, something. Osama bin Laden, horrible man.
And then we were in war in Iraq. And then what happened? The Sunni-Shia balance, the secular equilibrium was shattered that we had with Saddam. And a vicious ethnic cleansing of Christians began. Most of the ethnic cleansing took place under George W. Bush, which a lot of us Republicans, and I worked for George W. Bush, are embarrassed to acknowledge. But then, of course, with the rise of ISIS and the brutality that followed,
During the Obama administration, he called them the JV team. And in fact, they were the JV team. But the JV team was permitted to commit a mass slaughter and mass rape until President Trump came into office and made mincemeat out of them in short order. And which was such a blessing to the Yazidis, Christians and Kurds in Iraq and to the Sunni. So now we're told that we should celebrate the shattering of the Shia crescent.
But we have to remember it was the Shia that were a block to Sunni extremist Al Qaeda. It's, to use a Catholic expression or Christian theological expression, it's as if our foreign policy is obsessed with removing the catacomb, the restrainer. It's obsessed with removing obstacles to extreme violence. It seems to be the line of gesture. Let's destroy anything, any institution, any government,
any cultural custom or array that will restrain violence. And so now in Syria, we see again, Sunni extremists, Al Qaeda and ISIS running amok across Syria. We see it's not as bad as I might have expected, but it's not over yet. But it's the Christians are frightened.
sunnis you know my my phone is being flooded with the images of sunni and alawites being beheaded um yeah it's sunni i'm sorry yeah yeah i'm sorry yeah um christians being molested now the good news is it seems like all the parties on the ground are really at least attempting to show restraint which i commend them for and i'm hopeful for um
And like I said, maybe this time we'll be different than Iraq. Maybe this time we'll be different than Afghanistan. Maybe this time we'll be different than Libya. Maybe this time we'll be different than Yemen. You know, we'll see. Trump in his press conference in the Mar-a-Lago earlier this week said, oh, that was Erdogan that did that. Turkey did that. He didn't talk anything about Israel having an involvement with that. But Israel is certainly gobbling up some land right now in Syria.
Yeah, I mean, they bombed Syria 800 times this week. RT tweeted a meme. Well, why would Trump say only Turkey did that? I mean, he didn't say anything about it. I mean, what is it? If you want to know who's your rules, you who are you not allowed to criticize? Yeah. And here's the grand. That goes back to my question. Does Trump have the means and the courage to do what's right there in the whole region? Well, did you see Elon Musk's tweet on Tucker Carlson's Jeffrey Sachs interview? Yeah.
Yeah. What do you say again? He commended it, right? He commended it and he circled it on the greater Israel project. And yeah, he said, interesting interview. Yeah. You know, what I'm counting on is the pride of Elon Musk. I'm counting on the ego of Donald Trump to say we will not be subordinated. Now, listen, if Trump and Elon Musk take a knee to that little colonial settler state,
that ethno-nationalist colonial settler state of Europeans, you know, wreaking havoc plop down in the middle of the Middle East. You know, they have to put sunscreen on every day, which tells me they don't look indigenous to the region. I'll just say that. I'm not talking about the Jews from the region. That's half of them. But I have a lot of friends who are Jews or from the region, and they're not, you know, they refer to like Netanyahu as...
I'm not going to say what they refer to him as, actually. But it's a slur for someone from Poland. But, yeah, I think it's that will be startling. Look, if if a man who is near on his way to being a trillionaire and the president of the United States with an ego as big as Donald Trump's takes a knee to the settler colonial, the colonial settler state, that's horrifying.
especially because they have just committed in front of the world a brutal atrocity after brutal atrocity after brutal atrocity. All he refers to is, I mean, and it's good to get the hostages back, but the only time he mentions it, he says, we've got to get those hostages back. And I said, if they don't do it, there's going to be hell to pay. And I'm thinking, what world are you in, buddy? I don't know what game you're playing here, but
But we're not going to, you're right, we're not going to, let me tell you this, I don't answer to Donald Trump, I answer to Jesus Christ, I don't give a damn what that guy says. We're going to say what's right, we're going to say what's true, because that's what men do in a free society, and that guy can take it or leave it. I'm not playing a game, you know, I'm not going to sit there and be quiet so Big Shot can go around and put his little stupid border wall up at the expense of murdering
Freaking innocent people all over that region, man. We're going to call his shit out if he keeps that shit up. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to whoop his ass in the media. We're not playing Rush Limbaugh games where we're going to shut our mouths while W does his bullshit. Well, our people die. You know, well, our people die. They're our people. We're killing our co-religionists.
You know, the Middle East is... I don't care if they kill a Yazidi or what, man. I agree with you. You don't fucking murder people. I love it. No, and I agree with you. I work and I serve the Yazidi and I serve Muslims and I just was... Trump's not the only one who's had some wrestling experience, by the way. Whoop his ass.
We'll whoop his ass rhetorically. I don't think we're going to need to whoop his ass. If he wants to build American greatness off of the deaths of these people all over the Middle East, we will whoop his ass rhetorically every day he's in that office. And we'll whoop JD's ass too. I don't care, man. I got to ask before Christ, man.
Oh, I want to say this, though. I think you're jumping the gun a little, my man. I think Trump's going to be there for us. Now, if he's not, there'll be hell to pay. Then he'll respect what I'm saying now, then, won't he? Yeah, he will. There'll be hell to pay. He needs to know that. It's over. It's checkmate. Because he's going to have the rhinos, the never-Trumpers, the deep state, the Democrats. And if you delete the most principled people from your movement...
All you have are those that support you because they perceive that you will advance their own economic interests. Then what is left? And you're right. So this is the question. Will Donald Trump be the president of the United States or will he be mayor of Capital City? That's a Hunger Games reference. So this is my worry. Is he going to allow in the other districts?
You know, are we going to continue to allow the CCP to round up Congolese children to harvest cobalt till they die?
So that they can make electric, you know, solar panels and electric car batteries in Chinese occupied East Turkestan with Uyghur slaves. You know, is this war in Ukraine going to continue with a million casualties? Is this is this genocide? It's not a war. It is not a war in Gaza. It is slaughtering fish in a barrel. Half of the population of Gaza are children.
that Hamas never won a majority of the vote in Gaza and the last election was 2007 and half of Gaza was born after 2007. And so what percentage was even of age to vote in 2007? And so listen, if Trump, you know, I don't need...
mayor of capital city who's like your streets will be safer there'll be no fentanyl in your schools the trans won't be reading story hour to your kids yeah that's all very important to me that's a but you're right i'm not going to say that's great and if all i have to do is to have that is to use my taxpayer money to melt families yeah fuck i've been in combat i've been in war zones and i have seen it and i have smelled it
And it is the worst. I'm going back to the region in less than three weeks. And what haunts me, what haunts me is not what I'm going to see while I'm there. It's what I'm going to bring back with me when I leave. Because when you're there, you're there, you're working. I'm going to have adrenaline and everything. Yeah. You have adrenaline. I'm going to have camera crews. I'm going to be focused on my work. But then what happens is still to this day from 2016, when I was in Iraq in 2017, I
following behind the Peshmerga as they fought ISIS. And I saw the Yazidi villages. I smelled the flesh in the buildings that were left burning by ISIS as they retreated. I attended Yazidi funerals, which was a great honor because they don't normally allow folks to do that. And they asked me to participate. And these were mass, you know, these events were because they just would be able to come back to their homes. And now I'm going to be going back to the region.
Pretty much I'll be there for a bit and I'm going to be pretty much everywhere. I hope everywhere I can go, I'm going to be documenting what's happening. And I am hopeful. And, you know, David, is you have an influential audience. I know who some of your regular viewers are. All of us need to leverage every bit of influence we have for these people. Every bit. I just had somebody yesterday who said you're going to be canceled in six months from now.
I said in six months from now, they're like, I can't believe you're getting away with this now with who my friends are. And I still get to go on different shows that I go on that are kind of mainstream. I said, if, if in six months, this we're still going on, I'm canceling all of them. They don't need to cancel me. Yeah. Right. Because there will be nobody left in Gaza. We're sick of this stuff, man. So what do I care?
What do I care if these people wait? What does it care what your book deals are, man? What's it care how many times you get to go on a big show? That doesn't mean nothing. When you stand before the creator, he's not going to say, hey, Jason, I'm going to give you a pass for looking the other way because you went on X, Y, and Z big show. That was cool. He's not going to say, I know you had to get that big publishing firm to get you your new book deal, or I know you had to get this speaking gig, and I know that's why you didn't talk about those kids being melted. He's not going to say that. He don't play the way we do.
Yeah, you think I'm going to change. And David, I don't think it works that way. You know what Gerard taught me is that we deify our victims. Yeah. Resurrections happen now faster than they used to. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they crucify you and they resurrect you in the same decade. Yeah. Like I just don't even care. By the way, I don't care. I have seven children.
three grandchildren, maybe more. I'm not allowed to say on the way. I don't know. But I have three grandchildren, seven children. And, you know, I get to have a sit with my wife and kids in the morning. We homeschool and I get to have a croissant with butter and drink a coffee out of my look at this. I'm going to show off my cup.
My wife's father made the movie trailer for The Last Dragon, that iconic 80s movie, which I watched a thousand times as a kid, so I ordered myself a Last Dragon. So I get to eat a croissant with butter. What did they have to give us? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Yeah, I was thinking about that. With AI now, by the way, if you know how to use it right, and there's a way to do it stupidly, and there's a way to do it rightly. But the
The average Joe who's an 18-year-old kid now has the ability to have the same power as a CEO. You know, you used to have like a secretary come in and give me a report, write a memo about this. Your AI can do this stuff like this. Write a memo to Jason Jones about why he's got to get his stuff together about the Middle East. I can do that right now and make a really nice presentation for you with all the data. Like every 18-year-old kid can be a CEO, you know? It's awesome.
The power differential is diminishing because of the exponential technology growth, you know? Well, you just reminded me. I was going to look up on ChatGPT when the word Christian was first used. What did it say? Oh, I was wrong. It was first used in Antioch in 44 AD. Oh, well, I was wrong. But, you know, I did this with ChatGPT the other day. I had to do a show. I said, ChatGPT, list every attack on Palestinians from Zionists to
and settlers in the state of Israel since 1920 until today, and the number of casualties. And then I said, list every attack from Palestinian nationalists and Islamist extremists on Israelis and Jewish settlers from 1920 until today. It took one second to compile that report for me. And so, by the way, if you want to know, that's something all of you can do. If you want to know how complicated this is, we all want to make things simple.
We all want to decide when we start to tell the story. And I've done it when enough people tell it, then I'll tell it. That's cowardly. Yeah, right. Exactly right. That's what it's all about. Then I don't want to even tell it. Yeah. I don't want to tell it. Like if CBS, if Fox and CNN are telling it, I don't need to say it. I mean, it's covered. Bases are covered. Yeah. No, it's...
We recently went down to the border and we work with humanitarian. We we partnered with two shelters, one in Juarez and one in El Paso. Now, these are all for women who come here legally and they get humanitarian parole.
And they're pregnant women who've suffered threats of femicide or abuse or been rescued from human traffickers. And to be in our shelters, you have to have toddlers or be pregnant. Okay? What's femicide? That's where they kill you because you're a woman? Yeah. So if you go to Juarez, for example, it's very sad. I was just there three days ago. It's heart-wrenching. On the telephone poles, they will have blue crosses where a woman has been killed. The telephone poles are about every 10 feet. And every telephone pole has at least one blue cross. Okay?
It's quite sad. But Catholic Vote did a story. So we delivered a truck to the shelter. They needed a big pickup truck because they carry, you know, sometimes the women are in wheelchairs because they've been beaten. The legs have been broken. They go into ravines to rescue these women from the rivers and things like this with their babies.
And I have been a strong advocate for border security, for mandatory, simple e-verification, because I don't want migrants lured into a dangerous underground economy to be exploited. I don't want my children to think they're smoking pot at a party and they're die from fentanyl because it's laced with their weed. So, yeah, of course, I want a secure border.
But at the same time, migrants are not my enemies. The advocates of open border policies are the ones that we, the first victims of open border immigration crowd are the illegal migrants, the vulnerable migrants that get lured in and exploited and sex trafficked and beaten and abused and raped. But could you believe there were people that are supposed, they're supposed to be my co-religionist Catholics. They share my vote. If you go look at the Catholic, they share my faith. If you look in the Catholic vote thing,
People were like, don't call them vulnerable migrants. They're illegal immigrants. Well, they just assumed that because they sure as heck aren't. They're humanitarian parole. They stay in Juarez and wait for their paperwork to go to the shelter in El Paso. And guess what? We're conservative. We don't take one penny of government money. So here's a nonprofit charity called
following the law, protecting the most vulnerable people in the world. And this is what one Catholic wrote on the thread in the comment box, wrote that they're not vulnerable migrants, they're illegal immigrants. And I thought, wow, that reminds me of one of those who are pro-abortion called a child in the womb, a fetus. And if you ask them what makes a fetus a baby, they'll say if you want them. So I'm writing an article now on how, what's the difference between an illegal immigrant with a fetus in her womb and
and a migrant with a baby in her womb. You see? The devil's the judo master in this human nation. Yeah, and he's got layers of his deceit on every track. It's so complicated, but it's, you know, love is the answer, Christ is the answer, and it's a weird thing where
Man, you know, it is a lonely road to really do the truth and tell the truth and live the truth and speak the truth because you really there's no there's no rest for the weary. There's no place for for you to lay your head when you when you really fight for all the human beings that, you know, and Jesus said, look, Jesus said, I will separate the sheep from the goats based on who took care of the the naked, who took care of the hungry, who took care of the vulnerable, the person in prison, right?
And yet the right in its victory is ostensibly motivated by locking people up in prison for decades, casting people out who have, you know, some people have serious needs to be away from violent rapists and murderers.
that our government is in league with. Let's be honest. See, this is the problem. Our government's in league with it, and a lot of the banking networks are involved with the cartels. So they're creating this very, very powerful system. NAFTA obliterated the Mexican family farm. Yeah. So these young men, and sometimes old men, very old men, whose fathers and grandfathers were the pillars of their little village. Yeah.
They funded the parties and the festivals and they tithe to their parish have been reduced now three decades after NAFTA to having to come to the United States to work in an underground economy for corporate ag. You know, what radicalized me on migration was 2004. I worked for the Republican National Committee and I worked in Wisconsin.
There were a lot of farmers in Wisconsin. So they sent me to Northwest Wisconsin, their dairy farms. By the way, dairy farms are rough business, right? Very rough business. It's a tough job. I was shocked to see. I went to a day at a little country club in this little farm community with this really beautiful golf course. It was green. You never saw grass so beautiful and green. And I had said at this dinner party, how come I see all these Mexican guys on bicycles tooling around on the road?
They said, oh, those are illegal immigrants. They work at the dairy farms and they're afraid to drive. So they ride their bikes. And I said, well, why are the farmers afraid that hire them? No, why would they be afraid? I mean, I think if I hiring hundreds of illegal migrants seems to me like a bigger crime than being a migrant working at a farm being exploited. And then I started paying attention.
You had on the left radically permissive, insane policies that they would advocate that you would have to hate this country and be totally thoughtless to the real experience of migrants to support. And then on the right at that time, you had guys like Tom Town Credo that were saying really awful things, nativist things. So on the one hand, you'd have people say,
you know, MS-13 should be granted humanitarian parole. And it doesn't matter if you're a felon, they should be allowed here. I don't care who they raped, who they killed. And then on the other hand, you had people spouting out the most racist, nativist rhetoric. You know who thread the needle the right way as a great role model publicly, nationally during 2008 and 2012? Ron Paul. Ron Paul had tough border security measures. He said, we don't need to build a wall. Walls keep people in. They don't keep people out.
like Berlin, you know, he said, we don't need to scapegoat the immigrant. He kept saying, let's not scapegoat the immigrant for our economic woes. We have our own problems because of our addiction to spending and all that stuff. And then he also had tough stuff like, you know, if you're going to bring our, he said, bring our National Guard back from the Middle East and put them along our border. He said, in birthright citizenship. So he had tough measures, right?
But he had intelligent measures. He wasn't building some Orwellian security apparatus like some on the right are looking to do with this border crisis. Well, can I address that with you? You said something that's really important. We should get rid of birthright citizenship and we should get rid of chain migration. Now, these seem really hard things to say, but as somebody who rescues every day, like today, I'm constantly working to rescue people who are
escaping murder and then that we have to put them in safe houses for years and years and years or in Iraq. There are still Yazidi in Iraq 10 years later in internment camps. This is a reality. So we don't have the ability to grant all the humanitarian parole visas we need because of birthright citizenship and chain migration. And then I'm going to this is something Republicans need to listen to.
Who votes Republican of migrants? I hate to tell you it's not about that, but chain migration and birthright citizens, they vote Democrat. Humanitarian parole, they vote Republican. Think of the Afghans. Think of the Vietnamese. Think of the Cubans. Right. Think of the people that come from Africa. They're coming here because America saved their life.
They will fight for the American way of life more than you or I will. An Afghan gentleman who my organization rescues, actually an American citizen who got trapped in Afghanistan rescuing his wife during the fall. We were able to evacuate him and his wife. And in 10 years, he came here with $2. And in 10 years, he owned his own 7-Eleven. Now he's about to own a grocery store and a big chain that just gave him a eight-figure loan to start a grocery store.
He's in his early 30s, came here with $2 in his pocket, has had no formal education. When he first came here, he rode his Uber. He had the American flag and his Uber flying behind the Uber. You know, he loves this country. That's why Ron Paul, I'm going to keep touting him because he's the man of the hour. I'm going to keep touting him because he's been a lone voice. He said another thing that's important is we don't want to have collectivist ideas or group rights.
Because, see, there's some on the new right that say, oh, they're really tough and they like to roll back a lot of the value of the founding fathers and talk about how we need a little king, a little Caesar, like FDR, a little dictator, a little Napoleon Hill. I mean, not Napoleon Hill, Napoleon...
And then you got other people who are like, no, you know, migrants are coming here, like you just said, to build a business and stuff. But guess what? That's what happens when you have these totalizing collectivist notions of people. Oh, they are this...
or they're that. No, they're human persons. And there are tendencies that we don't want to be totally abstract individualists. There are tendencies in ethnic cultures. That's how cultures work. There are cultural tendencies. They don't do polka in the Congo. They do polka in Poland, right? So there's different musical flavors, everything, ways of looking at life. But
At the end of the day, people still have a human personhood and people can choose to do great. And there are some people who are coming as immigrants who have more respect for the vision of the founders than the new young right online who's stuck on trying to create a little dictator, you know, to save them. Oh, the integralism and the post-liberalism is horrifying to me. You know, someone else that we need to give credit to is Pat Buchanan. Yeah. He wasn't as winsome.
is Ron Paul. But, you know, Pat was right on all the important issues. Yeah. And where I think maybe Ron supported NAFTA, GATT, and MFN for China. No, no, no. He was against NAFTA. Ron was against NAFTA. Oh, right on. So I didn't know. I supported it. I was one of those, you know, I was always anti-war. I worked for Pat Buchanan in the 90s.
I thought being anti-war was more important than economic stuff, but I thought he was off base on NAFTA and GATT and MFN for China, permanent MFN for China. But, you know, you go back and read Pat Buchanan's books and he couldn't have been more right. He's just, he wasn't very winsome. He was funny and charming. You kind of wish rather than being born in Washington, D.C., he was born in Pasadena, California. He would have been president, you know? Yeah. Because he would say things that would come across pretty harsh, but it was all humane.
And Ron Paul did a better job of, you know, he's a very humane person in his charism. And he was loved. I'm going to introduce you to the Ron Paul Liberty Report. Go on with Ron Paul. Man, I would be so honored. I gave him my first political donation while I was still in the Army in the late 80s, early 90s. I think I sent him $100 or something like that. But Ron Paul is someone I greatly admire.
And, you know, do you remember when the Internet was actually wild, woolly and free? Yeah. In the late 90s? Yeah. Early 2000s? Oh, yeah. Ron Paul won every online presidential election. Do you remember that? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he won every election online. When they would do a poll. Yeah.
He won. That means people were in the early days of the Internet. They were out there seeking information that were thoughtful. They love Ron Paul. Do you know the first thing I downloaded from the Internet, which is ironic? Maybe it's the best evidence I have that we live in the Matrix in a simulation because it's just funny. The first I went to my computer lab at my university, I went to a community college, Leeward Community College, and I went to University of Hawaii.
When I got to the University of Hawaii, I got my first email. I got my email account at the UH and never had a computer. At community college, I used a brother word processor. Then I got to use a computer with the word processing. It was much more, it was word perfect, I think, at the time. I didn't have word. And it was just like magic to me, you know? And I went to the computer lab and I was trying to get a copy of Bastiat's The Law. Couldn't find it.
I was able to print it off the internet. So the first thing I did on the internet was look for Bastiat, the libertarian French 19th century libertarian economist, book the law. And I printed it off of, and I remember thinking, this is the birth of a new era in freedom. And now we look back, that seems really naive to think that this would have not been used to
form and control us. And God knows what AI is going to be, how AI is going to be weaponized to form and control public opinion. But yeah, those of us who are thoughtful to the dignity of every human person and desire that we all flourish together as a human family have our work cut out for us. And Christ is winning. He's got the worst team on the field that he has to execute his plan through, but he's winning. As Chesterton says...
We're ignorant and brave, and we have wars we hardly win and souls we hardly save. Well, thanks, Jason Jones, for coming on, as always. And tell people where they can support your work and watch some of the content that you've already produced about the folks who are being forgotten by many people, even those who should know better in the Middle East. Our website is vulnerablepeopleproject.com, vulnerablepeopleproject.com.
And we have GazaChristians.com where we're going to, you have, there's a petition that you can sign that we're going to present to President Trump when he takes office, calling him to demand an immediate ceasefire. But that's VulnerablePeopleProject.com. It's a big week for us this week.
We're able to fund 23 tons of rice, the trucks. We funded the trucks that brought in 23 tons of rice into northern Gaza this week. We evacuated 13 Afghan girls to the United States. They were wounded in an ISIS attack while taking standardized tests to go to university. Now they will be going to university in Canada. We were able to evacuate them to Canada this week.
And I'm preparing to go to the Middle East, to the region, to oversee our aid in Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza. And the breadth of our work and what we do, you have to see it to believe it. And at vulnerablepeopleproject.com, we document what we do because a lot of times people find it hard to believe that we're able to get into these places. But how we do that is working with
the Christian community, not just the Christian community. We work closely with, you know, we have Muslim partners, Jewish partners, Yazidi partners in the Middle East. We work with the people who live there to serve the people who live there. You know, I'm going to say something. Have you ever seen the movie Come and See?
It was a Soviet film about the horrors of the war from a boy's perspective. You should watch that. But you're sometimes your face looks like that boy that I saw in that, the star of that movie come and see it's a most horrifying gripping anti-war movie you can ever watch. And it's a classic from that era. But, um,
You know, you have an interesting face because your face looks like you've seen and you have the horrors of war, but you also have a jolliness to you because of the Holy Spirit and your family. So you have a paradoxical face. You have a happy face, but also you can see the pains of war and the toll it takes on a soul to look at that kind of carnage.
whether it's in Mexico or the Middle East, man, I commend you for what you're doing. You're doing the Lord's work. And that's a heavy toll, man. That's a heavy toll. Yeah. I want to thank you. Can I thank you? I don't know how much time we have, but I want to thank you for that. Yesterday, this young woman who works in Juarez, her best friend and her cousin were murdered working with her. They were a block from her when they were murdered. And I shared with her that two things that her eyes, she said that she's never depressed or sad. And I said, don't lie to me.
I see your eyes. And I also said to her, I think very few people see me. They don't get me. They don't look at me and I can tell they don't see me. So I told her, maybe you're the first person that sees me. And maybe what you just said is what I saw in her. She's very jolly, very happy. But then in her eyes, there's a sorrow. But I'm grateful. And I told her this, to be grateful for the sorrow because...
That gives us empathy. And that sorrow is solidarity with the vulnerable. That's what it is. It's this idea that I cannot stand. And it's probably not, I mean, it's probably if you're a psychiatrist, you can diagnose this. The idea that people are suffering and I'm not, and I have the most joyful, beautiful life anyone could ever ask for, but it addles me.
And so that's why I founded my organization over 20 years ago to serve these people, because I want them to, my daughter's going to be a nutcracker and she is an amazing ballerina. And just to watch her dance yesterday. And then I took my boys to the gym to do Muay Thai kickboxing. And I got to beat up my kids, my son's six, five. So don't call CPS. It was a fair fight. And then to get to watch my daughter dance ballet and then to come home and
to a warm, beautiful home filled with food and art and joy. The idea that children as precious as my children are buried under rubble or wandering around Gaza because their entire family's dead, shell-shocked and confused and staring up at the sky and saying, WTF? You know, I guess we should be happy most people don't think this way. But again, Rene Girard was also a blessing to me because he helped me kind of order these thoughts, these feelings, and these emotions and try to
direct them in a wholesome, useful way. Well, great will be their reward in heaven, which when it comes to earth, you'll have an eternity to figure out the wisdom that they learned through their suffering because they'll be glorified in their resurrected body. And so this blip that we have on this earth is just going to be like dust in the wind compared to eternity here in the new heavens and new earth. And so that's what I rejoice in. I stay focused on that eternity mindset that
You know, remember what Jesus said. He said, let the dead bury the dead. They're alive. They're alive. Yeah. It's sad, isn't it? It's awesome. They're alive. That's the good news. They're alive. You know, they're alive in Christ. They're resurrected already outside of our time and space. So those who are suffering are martyrs. The ones in Gaza are alive in Christ who died. They're alive in Christ. They're already there. They're alive, you know? And so that's what it means when you look at the saints surrounding the throne of God, you know?
So I take heart in that so I can stay positive or else I'll just spiral into darkness, you know? No, you're right. Because I think about that too. Because I think about that a lot. I'm going to tell you something. And I'm sharing this with Marius. I think about sometimes, like you said, like there's the guilt of why do I have this and others don't. But there's also something about like God –
I pray for this good thing to happen to me, and I believe you and I trust you. But then I think, well, what did you do that to the Gaza guy? Or what did you do that to the person in Mexico? They thought, they prayed really hard, Lord, let me out of this captor's hands. Lord, let me out of this torturer's hands. And you didn't do that for them. So why should I trust you when I want this healing for a little small...
affliction of health or something, you know, like, how do I trust you when they prayed millions of them and you didn't know? And I don't know the answer to that, but I have hope that I'll figure that out in eternity, you know, and that I, and I have hope that they're already alive in Christ. So they have a reward greater than mine, you know, to die is to die is gain, right? Like Paul said, I mean, so to live as Christ and to die is gain, right? So,
Amen, brother. Well, thanks for having me on. Thanks for your show. And I hope we do the Christmas special again this year. That's been my favorite show I've ever done. I think we've done it twice now. We'll put it together. All right, take care. God bless.
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