Jason Jones Reacts to Friend Tulsi Gabbard's Senate DNI Hearing, Reports on Gaza
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Well, we got our friend Jason Jones back on the show today. And he's a fellow student of Rene Girard and the founder of the Vulnerable People Project. I know he's been around the globe again. So, Jason, where have you been to now? Have you been to Tahiti? Yes.

No, look, I'm lobbying to be ambassador to Tahiti. So I've had a rough couple of years. So if you're a good human being out there, you have connected to Trump, just recommend Jason Jones. I think you're at the stage where your vulnerable people you're going to rescue are big baby boomers stuck in the hot saunas of Tahiti resorts, right? You're just going to help them. Yeah, no, I'm not helping those people. You're not going to help those big boomers get out?

There's a big boomer with like a blue Hawaii or a Mai Tai or a sex on the beach. And you're like, no, he's going to die. You're not getting him out of the jacuzzi? I'm not grabbing like a sweaty baby boomer wearing a jacuzzi. You need to go on a little bit of a relaxing retirement arc for vulnerable people. No, I just got back from the West Bank. I will go back before I'm pulling, you know. I mean, he can get himself out.

There's like some 22 year old kid at the, at the resort that can help him. So almost after I graduated college, I got offered a job as a cabana boy in Guam making three times the job offer I got in DC. And I took the job in DC and I always wonder, could I be that 53 year old cabana boy with battling melanoma and, and, and, and liver problems because of a lifetime of drinking. So I don't know if I made the right choice in life or not.

Well, your story is yet to be fully written yet. So you came from the West Bank. What were you doing over there? I was in Jordan. I was in the West Bank. I was in Jordan making sure our trucks got there. Sorry, my computer's about to die, so I'm plugging in as I'm talking to you. So I went to Jordan. I went to Turkey. I went to Israel and the West Bank, the Palestinian territories. And yeah, we were...

We have a jobs program we started in the West Bank with the great Reverend Munther, the evangelical Christian Palestinian. He was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, right? Most famous. Yeah, he was interviewed by Tucker. He's such a wonderful man. It was really surreal to be with him in his hometown. I went to his church. He's an evangelical Christian. And I'm not kidding you. When they celebrate mass, they do it at Orientum.

or their services, even though they're evangelicals. They're so traditional in the Christian community in Palestine. Obviously, there's Catholics, there's Armenians, there's Orthodox, but he's evangelical Lutheran. But he even stood at Orientum facing the cross during the liturgy. But then I went with him and his family to get hot wings. His sons love hot wings. And he's such a hero, and he's under so much

you know, adversity and I really worry for his safety. So to just be with him at like a burger place, having hot wings with him and his wife and his kids, it was really just, you kind of step back and you look at the situation and it's uncanny. I will say this about the West Bank, about Bethlehem. They have the best French fries you've ever had in your life at every restaurant. I'm going to start calling them Bethlehem fries.

Yeah, I've been there too. And, you know, I really enjoyed Bethlehem. And I remember talking to a guy, you know, who was doing his business, you know, and he said, look, man, I've been a Christian and my family generations here. And over there, you see Jerusalem. I can't go over there like you get to and walk the streets of my Lord and Savior. I don't get to walk on those old Roman roads that they have preserved and their archaeological sites preserved.

And I've been here for generations and I love Christ. And I remember that was just a really good poignant human, you know, it didn't change my mind. I'd already been on the side of freedom for human beings and not going along with, you know, proxy wars and so forth and so on. But that was really a powerful moment to hear that.

I'm sure you had a lot of stories and people say stuff like that. Could you share some of those stories or things? Yeah. So I, I spent, I probably have about, I have maybe 40 hours of interviews with Christians. Obviously I don't care about just Christians, but we're a Christian apostolate, a Catholic organization. So I spent a lot of time meeting with Christians who had had their homes destroyed and their property robbed from them by settlers from, you know,

from Russia and Ukraine and from Brooklyn. And sort of the Orwellian, it's really Orwellian. You have a very humble people. Going there, it's something else. I'll tell you the one thing that was most striking to me. I've worked in the Middle East for 10, 15 years, but I haven't been, I've never to Israel and I was never to Gaza or the West Bank. And I'm really glad I went because I'm sure when you went there, I've had so many friends go on sort of these

familiarization trips that the Israeli lobby sends Christians on to try to garner our support and their ethno-nationalist genocidal regime for the genocidal regime. And all my friends who have gone on these trips, and I'm sure you've heard it, when they talk about their trip to the West Bank, they make it sound like they're just swashbuckling deer devils. They're Lawrence of Arabia going to some wild, dangerous place.

And then you get there and it's the most safest place on earth. It's just a sleepy hollow. It's just a beautiful community. And there's kids riding bikes and playing football slash soccer on the streets. And everyone goes to church. And the Christian communities are very faithful. The Muslim and Christian communities are

You know, they also tell us like the Christians are so persecuted there and they're so fearful of the Muslims. So when they come to the West and they blame Israel for their problems and not the Muslims is because they're afraid of the Muslims, not Israel. It's just furthest thing from the truth. They really in many ways blend as communities and there's inter-religious marriages and friendships. Now it's not the United States, right? And there still is a very strong denominational divide there.

And sort of the landmines planted in history are still littered around the place. But it's just a wonderful community. It's very safe. And then you see the settlements. And so many settlements now have Ukrainian and Russian Gentiles, Christians. They're not Jewish. And so you'll often hear Israel say we have the only growing Christian community in the Middle East. But this isn't.

the indigenous population, this isn't the Christians that descend from the apostolic times or the Armenians that fled during the catastrophe, during the genocide, the Armenian genocide. No, no, no. These are, you know, when they say their Christian community is growing, they're talking about quote unquote Christians from Eastern Europe. And to think these Eastern European Christian Gentiles can go wherever they want, do whatever they want. But the Palestinian Christians are,

And so many of them are not only limited to they can't go to Jerusalem, they are really harassed and they make it very difficult for them to go to other parts of the West Bank. And just in the past 24 hours, I think 86 homes were destroyed by the IDF and working hand in hand with settlers. So when people say it's not a colonial state, I mean, they're settlers, right?

Herzl said it was a colonial state and he wanted an ethno-nationalist state. But at the end of the day, and I hate to sound like a lefty, I just think they want white people there. Even the Jewish communities are being homogenized to the European Jewish culture. So really it's just, I honestly, one of the things I took away from it is I don't even think this is about religion more, but culture. And this just beautiful sleepy hollow, these little sleepy hollows. I don't think they'd want you to be there.

Oh, they want me there spending money. They want you to go on Mike Huckabee's latest cruise and get your tail back to the United States. I'm not going to be doing construction or whatever the Ukrainians and Russians are doing for them. Are those Orthodox folks or who are those folks that you're talking about?

Oh, no, they're just Gentiles. They're bringing in all these Russians and Ukrainians. So they're probably Orthodox, right? Like Russian Orthodox or Ukrainian Orthodox? Oh, Russian Orthodox. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they're probably overwhelmingly pious, right? They're just the Russians that aren't Jewish. It's really unbelievable. That to me...

That to me tells the story, really. How many are we talking about? Thousands upon thousands? Yeah, you know what? I should probably have that number. I'm going to get that number for you. How many? But just the way, like I met this woman, Alice, who went viral. I went with her and we filmed near her property where her family's been there since before they can, you know, forever. When literally our ancestors were running around, you know, northwestern Europe. Yeah.

pagans, when our ancestors were literal pagans, we're only 26 generations from Jesus, right? It's not that far away. When our ancestors were running around the forests of Northwestern Europe, their families were right there. They were right there. I think about that. And the time my family emigrated from, you know, went from Scandinavia to France to the British Isles to the United States to all of the United States,

And those, you know, 1100 years of constant migration of my ethnic background, Anglo-American, they've just been right there in those little villages in those same plots of land. There was one olive tree that her grandfather had planted, a big, beautiful olive tree that the settlers just took it, uprooted it and took it. So it's really just it's really hard to see how people on the political right

whether you're libertarian or whether you're a conservative, whether your politics is inspired by your Christianity. I just find it impossible to see how people support this. You think COVID policy was obnoxious? They have basically COVID policy every day and how they're restricted to move. I think it really comes down to, man, when you, when you, I mean, not to go off on too deep because I want to get to some other topics, but I really think

When you have a disembodied ideological approach to Jesus where you don't have an anthropology, you don't have the concrete implications of what it means to be Christian animating the way you conduct yourself. So, you know, people think that being a Christian means believing about Jesus certain things, metaphysical claims, right?

But I think it's more important in the way Jesus talks about it as imitating and being like Jesus. And that's where you get to the real crux of the matter, right? Bro, I got your numbers. I'm listening to everything you say. I have ADHD and dyslexia. I can do eight things at once. You see me looking this up. Bro, last year, 42% of immigrants to Israel were non-Jews. Non-Jew as in not ethnically or not religious. Yeah.

This trend has been influenced by the law of return, which allows individuals with ancestry, including non-Jewish family members, to migrate to Israel. Consequently, many immigrants, particularly from the former Soviet Union, are not Jewish under the law, but they're allowed to emigrate. So overall, non-Jewish immigrants constitute a significant portion of Israel's immigration. As of 2024, Israel's population reached 10 million. Seven million are Jewish, 76%.

21% are Arabs, and the remaining 2% are others, are non-Jewish immigrants and non-Arab Christians. So, yeah, so you're looking at around 210,000 Gentile non-Jewish immigrants that are there.

And they have more freedoms than the indigenous people. And then you see these Christian wackos, these Christian Zionist wackos, and really they're just, they're just wackos, right? There's just, they're, they're, they're, it's like QAnon. Christian Zionism to me is as kooky as QAnon.

It's just, it's bizarro world. It's Gnosticism. It's vicious and cruel, actually. And what's strange about the ideology of Christian Zionism is they're not vicious and cruel people. I call them the pumpkin spice Gestapo. You know, they walk around with their Francis Schaeffer book. Yeah.

who I love, by the way. And they have their coffee mug. There's not a lot of Christian scientists walking around with Francis Schaeffer. You're hanging out with the best, the smart ones. You're true. Okay, Jonathan Cahn. Give me one of Jonathan Cahn's books, the genocide books.

I got them all. You know, I was, I went to the bookstore and I wanted to get this, buy Jonathan Cahn's books to start studying them. And I was embarrassed. I didn't want to be seen buying it. So I was going to hide it, you know,

between the covers of a Playboy magazine. So when I was checking out, I didn't look ridiculous, but I guess they didn't have a Playboy. So I decided I'd come home and buy it on Amazon because I just, I was like anything, but I don't want anyone to see me buying this book because it's so embarrassing. You know those books I'm talking about, Left Behind, walking around with their Left Behind Rapture series books, you know, all 26, I don't know how many volumes were into that Left Behind book series, but it's just cockamamie. If it wasn't attached to genocide, it'd be forgivable.

But you'll meet the nicest Christians that you know me. I'm not a very good human being. They're much nicer than me. They're very kind, thoughtful. They come from generations of good working, hardworking families. They pay their taxes. They never got a speeding ticket. They didn't get in bar fights. They don't cheat on their wives. Wonderful people. But then they'll say things like the Palestinians are the Amalekites and Israel has to kill them all to be blessed. You're like, wait, what? Put down the pumpkin spice coffee there, Goebbels.

What are you talking about? This is what we're dealing with, David. It's nuts. And I really want to just bring them all to the West Bank. I want to take them on field trips to Gaza. And then I want them to have their debates in the rubble. I want them to stand in the rubble of Christian homes and churches. I want them to look at people from Eastern Europe ripping down the homes of Semitic people.

The people of West Bank and Gaza. It's not going to be like the Holy Land experience in Orlando, Florida. That was put on by Trinity Broadcast Network. Remember that?

I don't. And it was a replica of the Holy Land for evangelicals, like you're talking about. It already exists. It no longer exists. It's defunct now. But they had like a replica of the temple, the second temple. Oh, Lord have mercy. And they had, I remember I went there one time and they had the giant Goliath bowl, which was a bread bowl with broccoli cheddar soup inside. That's authentic food that they would eat. Yeah.

Are you serious? Yeah, it was called the Goliath Bowl. It was a bread bowl with broccoli and cheddar soup inside. And that was supposed to be, you know, broccoli and American cheese or something. That was authentic. And then I remember I was at the Second Temple, the replica of it. And all of a sudden, it was the weirdest thing. This will date when it happened. It was in 2007 or 2008. The Ron Paul blimp. That was big back when he was running for president. His supporters were...

just started flying over the top of the second temple. It was just a random coincidence that it happened to be there. And I was like, look, it's a sign. It's a sign from God that we should stop giving foreign aid to everybody. Well, we did. We just stopped giving foreign aid to everybody in the world, but...

Israel and Egypt so they don't menace Israel. We're giving protection money to Egypt so they don't menace Israel. And we're giving Israel money to buy bombs from us. I mean, it's really bizarre. And when you go there, they're waging a war against a community. It's just unimaginable. They're effectively a stateless people.

In the nation of their birth. So I've heard reports that Trump has signaled an interest in possibly just moving all of the Gazans out of the Gaza Strip and using, and I think Jared Kushner has said he likes the real estate there, some real value there by the water. What are your thoughts on that, if that's true? Yeah, you know, I heard Trump's comments. Actually, I read some of his comments in full and

You know what? This is the sad thing. You just have to love this guy. Because even when I disagree with him, I appreciate his sentiment. You see how they sold this to Trump. The water table's contaminated. Every building's destroyed. These kids are going to be getting leukemia. It's going to take years to rebuild. And let's just move them to Egypt. We are a strange people, Americans. We move every 10 years. We just want to tell the people that have lived in a place...

for over 2,000 years. Just, you know, I've heard these people say, Arabs have the whole Middle East. Yeah, and Italians have all of Europe. Why don't we just send Italians to northern Sweden and give Italy to me?

You know, they're Europeans. Send them somewhere else in Europe. It's insane. But they don't even know how bigoted and crazy they are. It's like, whoo-hoo. You know, it's crazy land. And so you're right. It's really about anthropology. But more than that, it's about courage. And most people lack the courage to think.

They start to think, and they're like, I better not think too much on this. Because this is not going to be good. Too much to think today, officer. What? Like the officer meme where he says, you've had too much to think today, sir. Oh, is that from the officer from South Park? Yeah, I don't know. One of the best South Parks, it was from when I was in college. And I was an atheist Randian objective before I became a Girardian Catholic.

But yeah, they read Atlas Shrugged. And what's I forget what the name of the police officer is. He learned how to read. He was illiterate. He learned how to read and he read Atlas Shrugged and he wished he was illiterate again. And he started beating up everyone for reading Atlas Shrugged. You know, you stand at that wall, David, and you've been there and it's so offensive. And you just want to be like, tear down this wall. Mr. Netanyahu, tear down this wall.

It's funny. I went to film one of the guards on the sniper tower. He had on a ski mask and I put my camera on him and he like gave me a dirty look. And, you know, he went like this and I did this for those listening. He pointed at me like, no. And then I smiled at him and gave him the shotgun. I got him to give me the shotgun back. But I was meeting with Christian leaders in a little Christian center.

And, you know, you have the IDF pointing directional mics trying to listen to our conversation. I'm meeting with Christian leaders. You know, that directional mic was paid for, I'm betting, with my taxpayer dollars. So my taxpayer dollars are invading my privacy. There's an app for Palestinians if they want to travel more freely. The terms and conditions of this app, I'm going to write an article on this and submit it to Reason Magazine. The terms and conditions for this app are Israel gets the right to

monitor every app and all the communications on your phone in exchange for this ability to move more freely. I mean, it's really unbelievable. And to think conservatives support the state of Israel, you know, the most vaccinated, they shoved the COVID vaccine down their, you know, people's throats, their brutal surveillance state, and conservatives support it because of this little Gnostic heresy that God gave the land's

from the river to the sea to the Jews, which as we know and as Orthodox Jews know, that promise was fulfilled before the Second Temple actually. And all of the promises to Abraham to bless the peoples of the world were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. And this idea that we are actually the blocks, that we are the stones, the New Testament and Paul's letters especially make very clear

The temple is the body of Christ. And the church, all of the blessings of Abraham, his promise to bless the world, those blessings are through the church. And the Christian Zionists, actually, it's an apostasy. Because like you said, they don't have a proper Christian anthropology, number one. And they don't know who God is, number two. So if they don't understand that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of all the promises to Abraham, they're not a Christian.

You know, the early church used to make, I think it was a year or two you had to wait if you were a soldier and you wanted to convert to Christianity. That's how serious they took, you know, the idea of being a Christian and not doing sick violence and pagan violence. Okay, so that gives you a little insight into what

you know, what the church was supposed to kind of stand for and look like in its nascent stage. And I'm not someone that believes everything goes downhill the farther you get away from the early church. But I do think that you can get a snapshot at the spirit of a thing by looking at what it looks like when it's most electric and young. And it was very against, uh,

participation in pagan, you know, collective violence rituals, including even just being a member of the Roman military. So you can imagine just how far we've gone. We've turned Jesus into another Zeus. He's just another big other transcendent

ideological mental object that we use to say, I'm on the right team and your life doesn't matter as much as my team. That's wrong. You know, it's not Christian and you're right. It's a, it's a goes against everything it means to follow Christ. I mean, even Jesus' own followers follow,

Remember they got a little hasty and they said, hey, should we call fire down from heaven because these guys have rejected you? Now the typical Amalekite hunter Christian of today would say, absolutely, yes. You're the Amalekites. Yeah, Amalekite. If you don't like me, you're Amalekite, Amalekite, Amalekite. That's all they do, you know, and yet...

What does Jesus tell his zealous supporters? He says, you don't know what spirit you're speaking from. That's not a good spirit. That's not the Holy Spirit he's talking about. What's really interesting is I feel like we've had a game of telephone for 2,000 years. If you want to know what the first message was, go to the Holy Land because those Christians have it down. The Palestinian Christian community amazed me at their kindness, at their forgiveness, at

that there's not a hint of Jew hatred or anti-Semitism. They're long-suffering and very forgiving, very brave. And trust me, this couldn't happen here because our people would not tolerate it. Our Zeus God would show up to affect and defend our own interests. You know what I mean? But the Palestinian Christian community is wonderful. And one of the things I was thinking is while I was there, we know that grace builds upon our nature.

As we become Christians, we get baptized and through the sacraments, grace builds upon our nature. And I realize when you go to Bethlehem, for example, and I see these Christian communities that have been there for 26 generations, for 2,000 years, this is what grace looks like when it builds on the nature of a people, of a community for 2,000 years. And then you just see the viciousness and cruelty and thin-souledness of the settlers.

And then you have these goofball Christians from the United States. They go there and they plant olive trees, playing this game, trying to steal land from Palestinians for the settlers. How does that work? What does that work? What does he mean? What do you mean? Well, they have these rules about if land isn't being used for so long and someone else uses it, it's yours. I think it goes back to the Ottoman Empire.

But when you don't allow people access to their land, you can't say that they've given up their land, right? Yeah, it's just very sad. You know, when I went to Israel, I thought I was going to be very angry. And I just really pitied them. Just kind of a pitiful nation state. Really pitiful. Cruel and vicious. Barbaric.

using the most sophisticated weapons on civilians. Children, there were children that their bodies were riddled with bullets. You probably saw the child in the West Bank. It's going viral. It was shot by a sniper yesterday. And he was just in front of his house and his ring light camera captures him being shot. And people were trying to say it was fake when you can see the blood beginning to pool. He's actually shot in the front and then you see the blood pool in his back. And it's really unbelievable. Yeah.

that Christians would defend this. It's really unimaginable. You know, I went to a Christian event, an evangelical event this week. They were really the most wonderful people. They were, they were Christians, quote unquote, Christian Zionists. And they were, I noticed something about every sermon and every song that they sang in this group. The name Jesus Christ was, Jesus's name was not mentioned once. And I think what Christian Zionism does is it erases Jesus. Hmm.

It erases Jesus. And the war in Gaza and the West Bank is literally trying to erase the descendants of the first Christians from the face of the earth. So do you think they're going to... I want to move quickly to the next. Do you think they're going to go through with Trump's idea to move the people out, the 1.2 million or whatever? I mean, I hope not. I think that we're going to have to fight to make this not happen. Are you going to stand in front of the...

The moving trucks like Tiananmen Square? I'm going back. I'm going to be spending, I'll probably be in that region more this year than I'm going to be in my own home. So what happens, happens. You know, I left the day before the incursion into West Bank,

And as I was leaving, the borders were blocked and there were very long lines. I had to walk several clicks. I think I sent you a picture of me just walking to get past this. I had to get past the traffic back up because I had a flight to catch. So I had to get to Israel and then I had to get to Jordan and then I had to get home because I had a camping trip with my son. I couldn't miss. It was 36 hours to get from the West Bank to

I landed and then I went and grabbed my son and we went into the woods with his scout troop and below freezing weather. And that was a character building experience, you know, but I had to get back for the camping trip. So I wasn't going to, I had to walk. So I just started walking. I really wish I could have stayed longer. I have dozens of hours of documentary filming that we did. I would have, I would really like to be there right now. I've hired people and they're capturing footage for us, but I would have, I would have really liked to be there.

But I know where you want to go next. You want to go to Tulsi Gabbard, don't you? Yeah. What did you think of the hearing today? You know, look, I'm a great admirer of Tulsi's. I've known her since she was a kid. You know, we're both from Hawaii and her father's a good friend of mine, was really a mentor of mine. Just a great example of a human. And her mom. If you want to know Tulsi, you meet her parents. They're very serious. They're very public spirited. Very kind. I've never...

I've never seen Mike Gabbard angry. And he was the guy that protected traditional marriage in Hawaii and was basically drummed out of the Hawaii Republican Party for being too conservative. And that's how Tulsi really became a Democrat. People don't understand that. And I was really worried about how Tulsi was going to handle some of these questions. I knew they were going to ask her about Snowden.

I knew they were going to ask her about... Jason Jones? No, praise God, they didn't ask her about Jason Jones. That would have been embarrassing. You know, with the nature of my work, the last thing I want to do is... You know, I don't care, so I kind of run full steam into every conflict. But you worry, right? I would hate for people to be tarred and feathered with guilt by association with, you know, me and my crazy work. But...

No, I think Tulsi. Luckily for you and me, when it's my show, you're sandwiched in between drug dealers and stuff like that. So I bring in all the scapegoats. So you're pretty nestled in very nice. You're going to have a drug dealer on next? I've had a lot of them on my show with live sentences calling for prison. Oh, that's amazing. And we got them clemency. They would call in for a 15-minute phone call and then we'd reunite them with their...

their wife on the other side. And it was just, most of the time, these are people like Clark Griswold characters who were told, Hey, show up and deliver the bag. And they get like four life sentences. And I've had friends that I had a friend who did something similar and he only did four years in prison, but he was a high school wrestling coach. And he was just, someone asked him to bring a suitcase. He was going to, I'm not going to say where he was going. He was going to visit his brother and someone said, Hey, will you bring this with me with you? And,

I'll tell you when I was crossing the border into Jordan or from Jordan into Israel, my cab driver was doing some sort of smuggling. I could tell. And I was like, they literally pulled over the side of the road and like, I think it was cigarettes or something to avoid taxes.

And I'm like, man, I do not want to get wrapped up in whatever these knuckleheads are up to, you know? Could you imagine? But what I know now is, David, if I go to prison, I can still do your show, is what you're telling me. Yeah, you'll be welcome for 15 minutes. No, but so what I wanted to say about what Tulsi's, I don't know if you got to see the hearing. She did not dissemble at all. She was masterful. She was honest. They asked her these tough questions and

Like, do you think Snowden is a hero? And she said he broke the law. And if you break the law, there should be consequences. But he also exposed that the government was breaking the law. And there were better ways for him to get that information out there than the way he did it. She would not backtrack. You know, she would not backtrack. And I think that

That was extremely brave of her. You know, even when she said he broke the law, we can all acknowledge he broke the law. And that's why we want him to be pardoned. I think it's a bigger deal that our government is systematically violating our constitutional protections. That bothers me more than what Snowden did. And they tried to play this trick of like how Snowden put our forces in danger. How? Really? By exposing that the government's breaking the law?

You know, Obama was using drones to kill American citizens. I mean, it's unbelievable. So I don't know. I don't you. Tulsi Gabbard did the best job, I think, of any of the confirmation hearings. She was masterful. So we'll see how they vote. She's got good emotional control. She doesn't get angry. That's for sure. She doesn't get bothered by stuff. No, but she's you can see how serious she is. Yeah.

She takes her national security very serious. I mean, this is a young, as a young woman, she joined the United States military after 9-11. And she's a colonel. She served for 20 years. Her opposition to regime change wars, she's, I don't, she's, I don't think she's anti-war like you or I, right? Yeah.

She certainly can't be in the DNI position. Well, no, I mean, I think you could, you know, but I just what I think is, but I think she's just a realist and she recognizes that our adventurism and our wars of choice and our pointless regime change wars are undermining our security.

I've weakened our forces. I don't envy her in that position. I mean, she's going to be surrounded by snakes and lies and tricks. The most psychopathic people in the world. I mean, so psychopathic and narcissistic. They still don't want to tell us all the facts about what happened with JFK and RFK 60-something years later.

I would not want to have her position. You can't handle the truth. No, that's not an envious position to have that title. I mean, she's going to do some real hard, tough stuff. No, look, I kind of wanting the best for Tulsi Gabbard in my mind. I wonder like if they don't confirm her, they may be guaranteeing she's the next president of the United States. And I think that's, you know, and it would save her all the legal traps. Like, I think if she takes this position, they're going to, they're going to lay traps for her.

If I were Tulsi Gabbard, I would have two lawyers to my left and two lawyers to my right. And I would have document everything I'm doing meticulously. And I would have lawyers with me in every meeting, multiple lawyers that don't know each other, that never get to meet. And all they do is meet with me. And I get each of their perspectives on each thing that happened. This is what I would do. And she has to be very careful because you nailed it. They are going to lay traps for Tulsi Gabbard.

Isn't that sad? Not because they're worried about our interest of the nation, but because they're driven by motives of a clique that they belong to. They're not just a clique. CIA is the biggest drug dealer in the world. Well, you would know because you have them on your show. After guys are in prison trying to get clemency. They're just the patsies. You know how it works. Yeah, well, we do know that they're involved in crime.

bringing crack cocaine into America's cities. This is just a sad fact. And they stopped after that, of course. Yeah. Wasn't it interesting in the eighties when we were bouncing around central America, cocaine was flooding. Yeah. They were bouncing around Afghanistan and what was flooding then? Heroin. No. Coinky dinky. Coinky dinky. Well, and, and, and I saw a former CIA agent on one of these podcasts and he talked about, he went there to those fields and,

and was inspecting them. And there was somebody there who, as soon as they landed, said, you have to go. And he was trying to talk to the farmers. They were basically saying, your government told me to plant these crops. And they were telling this guy, you need to get out of here. The Greek guy, you know, Mike, the former CIA guy that actually went to prison. And hopefully Trump will pardon him. You're talking about John Kiriakou? Yeah. Yeah. I've interviewed him. Yeah. He's something else, isn't he? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, he's got a great, interesting story. I hope Trump pulls him into the administration. Yeah, yeah. Well, Jason, I think we're going to leave it there. We've covered a lot of stuff. Your final thoughts on the Tulsi Gabbard hearing and anything you're looking to see that comes out of this? Yeah, I mean, look, we couldn't ask for a better person for this position. She's really concerned about our rights.

She's demonstrated courage and standing up for the rights of the American people. And she's demonstrated a ruthless commitment to defend this country. She's ruthless. This might be my next column. She has been ruthless in her defending us from violations of her constitutional rights. And she's been very brave in doing so. She's been very brave in the war on terror. So what more would you want? What more could you ask for for Tulsi Gabbard? In fact, I was upset she got this appointment because I thought she should have been secretary of defense. Yeah.

or Secretary of State. I thought this was a bit beneath her. So the fact that these

The instruments of the deep state were so upset with Tulsi Gabbard. It's like you see a real autonomous person in a room full of lemmings, and they can't – it's like Cyrano de Bergerac. That's like one of the best things that happened at the Kennedy hearings today where Bernie Sanders, he said, you know, you've taken about a million and a half dollars from the big pharma companies. He said, oh, no, no, no, no, I did not. I did not. Those were the workers. Those were the workers. Ha, ha.

He said, no, you took more donations than any other senator from big pharmaceutical companies. Well, how about this? The big thing they have on Tulsi is that a woman that's running for president of the United States hired a PR firm and she paid them $17,000. My little nonprofit has spent more than that when we market movies. Yeah. You know, yeah.

for our movie to movement projects this is your smoking gun she hired a publicist once i mean it's 10 000 a month yeah for these big publicists she paid 17 000 she's running for president this is the big scandal this is what you have oh and she's hindu she's hindu she's a public figure and she hired a publicist yeah

She had a book deal. She had a book come out and she had a publicist. Well, I'm in trouble, man. I have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on my movie projects and book projects over the years and publicists. So I don't know what that means. Well, Jason, thank you for coming on the show. Follow him at Jason Jones Show. Subscribe to his podcast and check out the Vulnerable People Project. Anything else, Jason? Yes. Go to VulnerablePeopleProject.com. If you care about the Palestinians, this week we're flooding Gaza with baby formula.

Okay, we're flooding Gaza with baby. We're bringing baby formula in. We're having semi trucks of food going in. We are going to do everything we can to clean that place up, make it livable, take away all of their excuses that they have to remove the people because it's an unlivable place. You just made it unlivable. I know you weren't the group behind sending $65 million worth of condoms to Gaza because I know you were Catholic. That wasn't you. No, I'm writing about this. Listen, listen.

The Biden administration, I had my liberal friends go, look, you said Trump was going to be better for Gaza. And look, the Biden was going to send condoms. Yeah, because if he can't kill you, he wants you to stop having kids. It's like he's sending bombs and condoms. What do you owe? Yay. Oh, he loves you so much. Hey, and why don't we give them all abortions for free? We'll gender, we'll give their kids gender affirming care so that they can be infertile and we'll bomb you. Bombs and condoms for Gaza. That's the left. Right.

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