THINGS HIDDEN 215: Egyptian Pyramid Surprise Structures
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What if the pyramids are a remnant that was either unintentionally or intentionally left over as a vestige from the antediluvian world? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

So what's up, man? Is there something underneath the pyramids? Well, so apparently it's a bunch of what, like, so apparently it's a whole bunch of tunnels, right? Yeah. And they all kind of seem to, like, wrap around in helixes. I thought it's not tunnels. It's actual structures.

that go two kilometers down underneath the earth. And they've got little wires or structures. Yeah, coils or something. Yeah. Yeah, but the shape looks sort of like DNA almost, doesn't it? You're trying to add things that aren't there, man. Yeah, I think they more look like some kind of tubular, you know, whatever with like these coils that go around them.

Yes. Yeah, I just pulled it up there. Yeah, they're like a whole bunch of tubes that have... Yeah, it looks like tubes have coils wrapped around them. Yeah, you know, like shock springs or something on a car. Yeah. Right. So I think that kind of throws out the whole theory that the pyramids were built as...

As death memorials or whatever to the pharaohs. Yeah. Maybe they were repurposed for that purpose, right? Later on.

They could have been, but at the same time, what would the evidence be? Because in Egypt, they have the Valley of the Kings where all the pharaohs and stuff are buried. So wouldn't it make sense that the Valley of the Kings would be right there amongst the pyramids if that's what they were, right? Yeah. Well, the other thing here, man, let's think about this, okay? Let's get into this. First of all,

My thing is you got to think about the pyramids that they're showing with whatever was underneath. Okay, what pyramids came before those pyramids? You got the step pyramid, right? Mm-hmm. It's kind of like, you know what I mean, stacked on each other. Are you talking about the one at the Kofu?

Something like that, yeah. In Egypt, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Khufu or Kofu or something. Yeah. And then you got the... You got the... What's that pyramid? That's like crooked. It's a crooked pyramid. Yes. That's way older. At least they think it's way older than the pyramids at Giza, right? Exactly, right. Okay. Now, before the step pyramids, you got...

the ancient Egyptians putting stones on top of their, like the dead. Okay. And on top of that, if you look at other Afro-Asiatic cultures, they do similar things. They would put stones on top of burial sites where their dead was. The ancient Israelites did this. The Canaanites did this. You know what I'm saying? The Israelites did that, right? When they buried Moses, when they buried the prophets, they would put stones on

on top of, you know, heaps of stones on top of their dead. So I think, you know, if I had to assume, I would say this is probably a very ancient practice that a lot of the Afro-Asiatic peoples probably would have carried out around their dead. And the ancient Egyptians are an Afro-Asiatic speaking people, just like the Semites, just like the Canaanites.

You know, the Phoenicians, all those, you know, the Ethiopian, you know, Ethiopians, Arabs. Right. So to me, I think it's sort of an evolution from something that is kind of pre. What is it? Pre pre dynastic Egypt. You know, that's that's my thought. And I think I still would go with the Gerard view that.

their memorials to the dead. Now, you know, as far as violence and everything, you know, I'm not sure, but I do think that their memorials to the dead and, you know, perhaps the coils or something like that might've been, you know, maybe that's a later thing. You know what I'm saying? I'm not sure about, I'm not sure. Yeah. Now let's get, get kind of crazy here. What if the pyramids,

are a remnant that was either unintentionally or intentionally left over as a vestige from the antediluvian world from before the flood. You mean like Atlantis and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, something like that. Because remember, after all, at least according to Plato, and there are people that go back and forth and argue whether

Whether Plato's story is kind of like metaphorical or not, but Plato says that he originally got

The Atlantis story from his grandfather, who was Solon, who had traveled to Egypt and spoke with Egyptian priests, who passed the story of Atlantis on to him, who ended up passing the story. And Solon, when he returned to Athens, eventually passed on the Atlantis story to Plato.

Now, a lot of people – now, there are different camps in interpreting that. Some people will say that Plato – that the whole Atlantis story was all a big metaphorical cautionary tale that Plato was full of symbol and allegory and everything. But –

Most people suspect, though, that it was not. That Plato was trying to communicate something that was communicated to him, something that had been handed on to him as if it were absolute fact. So if those pyramids...

are antediluvian, you know, originating from before the flood or prior to some big global cataclysm, what was their purpose originally? Were they left as like a giant black box of knowledge or technology or something? Or would they have been left over? Or was it something that was kind of unintentionally left over

There was just a massive structure that was able to be submerged by lots of water. And then when the water receded, the pyramids were just left as if they were a canyon or a mountain or a hill or something. Now, one of those Egyptian followers, the followers of ancient Egyptian religion, Shane,

would say, hey, man, you're just trying to discredit the fact that the pyramids created by the ancient Egyptians who were African. That's just an attempt to get away from the fact that the Egyptians were African. Well, what if the way they understood themselves was as like keepers of a secret knowledge, you know, which...

You know as well as I do that in the ancient world, there was a tendency for there to be a lot of little like what you would call mystery cults where the entire reason for the mystery cult existence was to keep a secret or secrets. And the secrets would only be passed on to the initiated. So kind of referring back to Plato –

The assumption here would be that somehow his grandfather Solon, in order for the secret of Atlantis to be passed on to him, Solon was probably initiated into a mystery cult of the Egyptian priests. And the thing is – so I'm just throwing all this out there. So this could all be bunk or this could all be – or there could be something here.

And that's the really interesting thing is that when we were all growing up, there was so much certainty regarding the pyramids, that the Egyptians definitely built them, that the pyramids were definitely burial chambers for the –

The political leaders of Egypt, you know, the way that they always want to make Egypt sound is they always want to make it sound like it's this. It was this this nation that had like that had a really that that had a very, very strong political system, a very, very strong political government. You know, they they hadn't developed separation of church and state yet that that would end up coming later with America. Yeah. You know, but, um.

That they were this like political powerhouse and because they had so much reverence for their pharaohs and everything, they would build these great structures. But yet the physical evidence that archaeologists today are able to find of pharaohs being buried is…

is nowhere near Giza or it is nowhere near the Giza pyramids. I mean, near the Giza pyramids, but, but not, not amongst them. It's over in what they call the Valley of the Kings, right?

That's where all the pharaohs were buried. So the thing is, when they're trying to say that the pyramids are burial chambers, but there's nothing, but there are no bodies buried in them. In fact, I don't even think there are any artifacts inside of them. Then that kind of blows up that entire story, that whole narrative. Wasn't Tutankhamen's burial, where was Tutankhamen's burial found? In the Valley of the Kings? The Valley of the Kings, yep. Okay, okay.

If you want to know where the Pharaoh's from the, um, I, so I always get the, uh, the lower kingdom and upper kingdom mixed up. Yeah. The upper kingdom is South. The lower kingdom is in North. Okay. So, so if, if you want to find like the, the, if you want to know where a Pharaoh in, in the lower kingdom is buried, um,

then you would go to the Valley of the Kings. And then, and then I believe there is another Valley of the Kings that is down, that's down somewhere, somewhere up river, which would be South, right? Yeah. So, so the thing is, if that's where all the, all the bear, all the actual burial chambers are for, for, for the Pharaohs, then what, what in the world are the pyramids? You know? Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's an interesting question. It's an interesting question.

You know, and actually, I kind of find the whole pyramid question a lot more interesting than I find, like, the UFO question. Did you see that image? I just sent you there. It shows you the scale of this new discovery from this tomography. The scale of the newly discovered underground structures beneath the pyramids in Egypt is mind-boggling. You have to click to see it all. Mm. Wow.

And this was done by what, Italian archaeologists? You see that? That thing's big. Yeah, they were Italian and German archaeologists that discovered that, right? And it was using some type of like an MRI x-ray type of technology or sonar or something where they were able to see like the shape of everything down there without having to dig.

Yeah, they did a somography, I think it was. Yeah, yep. Well, and another interesting thing is what in the world is underneath the Sphinx, too? The what? The Sphinx. Yeah. Because... Yeah, tomography. Recent tomography scans reveal that this whole thing is like two kilometers underneath the Earth, potentially.

There's nothing in recent current events that we know of on the Mickey Mouse history that we've been given that would suggest that that's technology that they had in 6,000 or 7,000 B.C. or anything, 4,000 B.C., right? Yeah. Were these pyramids alleged to have been constructed? I don't know, Lee. Alleged to be constructed? They didn't have the ability to dig down there and make those giant structures like that.

two kilometers underneath the earth, Shannon? Nobody had that. Well, you know, here's the thing, man. I think this whole thing, you know, for me, leads to the idea that pre-Christian civilizations had certain technology that, you know, that we're not privy to or something like that, right? And, you know, even Christians have sort of become entertained or maybe...

uh convinced that the ancient egyptians had some sort of you know knowledge of the sort of technology that we have today you know because essentially i think what they're calling these coils and everything are some kind of vibrational tool you know what i mean to tap into energy you know definitely electricity right

So, you know, my thing is, okay, if they were able to, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody thought that they could place a couple of Pharaohs that were honored in the power plant and maybe light them things up that they'd be eternal or something in the spirit world. Because magnetism and spiritual energy, we're all interconnected, you know, some sense.

In terms of their belief, you know? That's Frankenstein come early, bro. We want to, you know what I mean? Let's set them coils up and we can, you know, it is a lie. Yeah. It is a lie. So, you know, I, you know, I don't know, man. I feel like, I think it's a, I shouldn't say I feel, I think that it's essentially a,

you know, it could be a way to sort of get away from the fact that the gospels and Christ opened up the door for, for, for us to, you know, what is it? Stop burning witches, you know, but then again, you know, the idea that, you know, there was, there was, you know, a mass flood and that, you know, all this information that was there before or whatever was wiped away. But, but,

The thing I would say to that is that, see, a lot of people, when they think about the Egyptians, they think of them as being this very spiritual and very, very high-minded civilization. And that is, I mean to say, they think of them as being very civilized, right? That they didn't enact violence except for, like, warfare, you know? Okay, but...

And when you look at pre-dynastic Egypt, you see that the ancient Egyptians actually did sacrifice humans when they would bury their kings.

So they would and what they call that is what they call that is retainer's sacrifice or retainer's sacrifice. Right. So these are these are, you know, the ancient the Chinese would do this, too. They would, you know, in the ancient periods. Right. They wouldn't they would bury the king or the emperor. They would bury.

you know, humans in there with the, in the tomb, right? Because they didn't, like you were talking about, Shane, they didn't want the secrets to come out, right? So they would bury them in there with the alive, right? Now this is in China, but in Egypt, they would, they would, you know, they would kill them, you know, they would sacrifice them and then throw them in the grave with the, with the emperor or with the, with the Pharaoh. So, you know,

I'm not saying that ancient Egypt didn't have great knowledge in art and medicine and stuff like that. I mean, I think they were a knowledgeable people, but they were also, they engaged in sacrifice and violence too. There's another thing that people think that this new narrative that the ancient Egyptians didn't have slaves,

And that's to counter the whole narrative of the Bible in Exodus when they talk about that the ancient Israelites were slaves in the land of Egypt. But the thing is, is that the Egyptians did have slaves and they called them speaking tools. So in other words, they were speaking, you know, they would speak. And I think this is what it is, is that

The pharaohs didn't talk to the public. They would speak through another person. And there are other cultures that do this. They have people who speak to commoners. Because the king or the pharaoh or the emperor is too high to speak directly to the people. His voice is so holy or godlike that it wouldn't be

it wouldn't be efficient or wouldn't, it would be, you know, sort of impure for the king or the pharaoh or something like that to speak to his people directly, right? So, you know, yeah. Is that what Joseph was? He was like a speaker for a pharaoh as an economic advisor?

I'm not sure. I mean, he was the one who interpreted dreams, you know, for the Pharaoh, right? You know, that's, I mean, we're talking about his name, the name that he was given by the Pharaoh, Dathnath Paneah, you know, the revealer of dreams, the revealer of secrets, right? So perhaps he could have been, you know, and Egypt always, I think, you know, in ancient Egypt, they always had sort of a vizier or a vice lord. I mean, sorry.

is it a vice lord is that what you call somebody who's like in the place of the king i don't know oh a uh a viceroy viceroy sorry viceroy viceroy um you know a viceroy that would you know be over officiate you know politically over the over the kingdom so you know and i think that whole position started with the egyptians they were the ones who originated that whole role you know a viceroy so

Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure. The interesting thing about these structures underneath the pyramids and even really the pyramids themselves, when you, when we get beyond looking at it, you know, like when, when historians and archaeologists, uh,

go, go beyond just the written record. And they start, they start really examining the pyramids and they start examining these, these, these structures underneath them and everything. And they start asking, well, okay, so we're, we're going to set the written record aside and, and we, we can use the written record to, we can use that as a reference point. We can use that to kind of fill in the gaps, but what we're, we're going to look at this from a different angle. What we're going to do is we're going to bring in a whole bunch of engineers and

And we're going to have them look at these pyramids and explain to us if they were going to build them today, how would they do it? You know, or if they were going to build structures underneath these pyramids today before building the actual pyramids above the surface level, how would they go about doing it? And the thing is, in a lot of these cases, we don't even have the technology to construct things like the pyramids.

Now, there are certain ways that certain aspects of them could be built, but there are things that we do not have the types of cranes and things. As advanced as our technology is today, we don't have the tech that would be required in order to build out the pyramids of Giza. You're talking about even if you don't even include the stuff underneath?

Allegedly. Right, right. That stuff underneath just blows it out of the water. I don't think anybody had that. Yeah. And that's the other thing. Okay, think about this, though. Two kilometers? Think about this, man. Think about this for real. Okay, if you have technology like that and everything, you got these mega structures underneath all this sand and stuff. You know what I mean?

Okay. So just stay with me here because I want I'm trying to get somewhere. If you got a megastructure like that underneath the pyramids. Okay. If you talk about written written language, right? You talk about writing, right? Well, all of our modern day and even ancient script except for those that are found in the Far East like China, right?

derived from hieroglyphics. Okay. So that's Latin script. The scripts that were written with the Vikings and the Scandinavians, that's other Semitic speaking groups, scripts. So Hebrew, Arabic, Phoenician, right? That's even all the way to India, the Brahmic script.

which the ancient, you know, the Khmer Empire used, Cambodians, the Brahmins in India, the, you know, all the scripts, except for those found in China, derived from hieroglyphics. So what I'm saying is that if that information and that whatever was transmitted to all these other groups, then why wouldn't something like this be transmitted as well?

you know, a mega structure like that would have had to have some kind of, you know what I mean? Because, because here's the thing. And I'm saying that because somebody might say, well, okay, but that was secret knowledge. They were trying to hide that. Right. Okay. But here's the thing. The ancient Egyptians had an exclusive thing about writing too. Writing was exclusively done by scribes and priests. So they, they monopolized writing too.

Because they thought their writing came from the gods specifically from the god Thoth who's the Ibis headed God right the god of writing so they they they held on to this idea of writing as being Exclusive to the upper echelons or the upper crust of society Shamsane and they passed that down to the noble families that their sons would become scribes and priests so

My thing is, if you're going to exclude the building of the pyramids and everything underneath, these megastructures underneath, then wouldn't you consider that writing to be exclusive too? Does that make sense, what I'm saying?

I think, you know, I'm trying to, you know, because I don't, I don't, I mean, I'm not, I don't understand how you would have, you know, writing would be transmitted, but not something like this. I mean, and that's, that's a pretty big structure underneath to be hiding something, you know? I'm just. Well, well, and, and what, I mean, I, I, I guess in my mind with that kind of goes to what that would support would be the idea that,

I mean, possibly when the Egyptians started writing about the pyramids, maybe they didn't know about the structure underneath. You know? You know, that maybe the structure underneath, maybe what we're seeing as far as the above ground pyramids, maybe that's the insignificant part of the pyramid structure. Maybe the significant part of the pyramids that actually mean, that truly means something.

That is the real game changer in terms of archaeology, history, anthropology, all that kind of stuff. Maybe it's everything that's underneath the pyramids.

And I don't think the Egyptian government will allow us to go down there. You know, the, there's that Egyptian archeologist who's the head of the. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And he, he, he is very, he is very militant about that, that the Egyptians built the pyramids and he has faith. He, he, he, he believes they did. And, and then the minute that someone discredits some, some,

some method of building the pyramids that he subscribes to because originally the whole thing was – originally I believe what his argument was was that it's – that to build any kind of a structure like the pyramids, it's just a question of – it's just a question of number of slaves. Like that like – that what –

You know, what a thousand slaves can't build, 2,000 slaves can build. And what 2,000 slaves can't build, 5,000 slaves can build and so on and so on and so on. So theoretically, if you wanted to build like a tower to the moon, all you would need to do is just go and enslave a whole bunch of people, like in the millions. Then you just put them all in a project and you force them to build something. Well, the thing is,

When you're disconnected from reality and you're able to just exist in the hypothetical world of the mind, maybe that works as a thought exercise. But when you're actually thinking about the ground level, that doesn't work because the thing is – first of all, when you're dealing with slaves, you're dealing with people that are –

That are going to be pissed off, you know, to a certain degree, you know, and rightfully so. You're not going to be getting the best, you know, if you're trying to, I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you're trying to build something very, very complex, you have to have the people that are actually building it have to believe in it. They have to think it's good work.

You know, for whatever reason, they have to either think it's religiously significant or they have to think that it's like a vocational thing or they have to think that there's a profit incentive. They have to believe that what they're doing is good work. You know, there's only so – you know, and at the end of the day, I think that was the upper limit on –

on pagan civilizations is pagan civilizations were built entirely on slave labor, you know? Yeah, I mean, they do argue, you know, some Egyptologists argue, and this is Zahi Hawass is one who does this, right? They argue that, you know, the ancient Egyptians did not have slaves. The slaves did not build the pyramids, you know, they were

they were workers and they were paid in the form of bread and beer you know so they actually were were hired you know and I guess do this hasn't his his uh a story changed over time though like

Because I specifically remember watching the History Channel, as I'm sure all of us did when we were growing up. And I'm talking about pre-Ancient Aliens and Da Vinci Code History Channel, when the History Channel was still really, really good. And I remember that they used to do a lot of documentaries about Ancient Egypt, and he was an anchor of every single one of those. And I remember how...

He would be really – I remember very early on him being really, really into the slave narrative. Then moving on saying, well, we've had new discoveries and we don't think that they were slaves. We think that they were actually skilled laborers. And then him talking about, well, we think that –

that they use this, this, this pulley system and everything. And, and then, and then that, that, that didn't quite pan out when, when they actually tested it. And then, and then he, and then he came up with this idea of like, that, that they, that they were like sliding them, that they were sliding the stones up and down things. And like, yeah, you know what I mean? And the thing is, you know, eventually it starts to sound like a cartoon. Yeah. You know, like there, you know, you know, like, yeah. Yeah. There wasn't, there was another theory that,

That the pyramids have been and I think this is around the same time that, you know, all of the controversy about how the pyramids were made. There was another idea that the pyramids were constructed by using a waterway system. You guys remember that? Yeah, they were taking these blocks from these, you know, far away areas.

The quarries. And they still have the quarry. And they know exactly where the limestone came from that they made the pyramids out of. Right, right. Right? Yeah. And I guess they were creating these waterways that allowed them to move these big pillars and stuff like that.

you know, and they had hydraulics and stuff, you know, that they would fill the water up and it would help, right? You know, and then they had a buoy system or something like that. And these inflated balloons that would lift the stones, you know, elevate the stones up all the way to the top and then they could roll them, roll them and put them into place, you know, and stuff like that. So, yeah, I mean... Well, so I guess, so my question would be, what if...

What if the way that you perceive history here, let me think of how to word this. The parameters by which you perceive history are the parameters by which you will perceive your own life are the parameters by which you will perceive your own reality. So, you know, it seems to me that with, with this whole, with, with the whole modern Egyptology thing where, you know, they want to put everybody in the materialist box and,

And they want to say everything is based upon whatever current evidence we have right now and the parameters that we're limited to are within the realm of technology that we currently have. But probably more primitive because obviously history – or because obviously technology grows more complex and more –

And more and more efficient over time. You know, that that's one of their fundamental assumptions. So what they'll say is that that that that we would just assume that the Egyptians were using technology like what we have access to today. But but but more primitive. But where does that assumption come from?

And what I would argue is the assumption that technology steadily improves over time and then the constraint of materialism saying that basically all there is to this whole thing around us, it's just the material stuff, that there's nothing beyond what you can actually touch and feel. And you see that among historians. You see that among archaeologists especially.

But what that does, it limits your purview. So when the people that control the acceptable thought parameters that we're allowed to think within, what they do is they go back to ancient history and they tell us you have to stay in this box whenever you're thinking about it.

You're not allowed to think about the biblical flood because that did not happen. You're not allowed to think about ancient civilizations that we have no knowledge of because that didn't happen. And the reason that they would say those didn't happen is that they want you to only look at the material evidence that they're showing you. They don't want you to – like –

Until the Egyptologists like that – what was that guy's name? Hawass? Zahi Hawass, yeah. Yeah. Until he is able to get ahead of this whole narrative of the structures underneath the pyramids and he's able to somehow incorporate this into how –

how these two-kilometer structures were slid down a pulley system and they used hydraulic lock system and everything to get these things in place. And they used humans and goats and stuff to drill two kilometers down until he's come up with a whole narrative to try to accommodate this stuff to his –

But to his view of what happened back then, my guess is he's not even going to address this stuff. I think this gets down to the core of – He is going to address it, and you want to know why? Why? Because he's coming here –

to do a tour throughout the United States in around between April and August or something like that. And I bet you, I bet you somebody in the audience is going to bring that up. They're not going to record it. They're not going to record it.

He will probably promulgate the official party line, though. You know what? Whenever he's here, in fact, he and a bunch of those Egyptologists over there, they're all probably coming up crafting a whole new narrative. And the only reason I say this is that this is all religious. Isn't it interesting how the ancient...

you know, civilization crowd is also perceived by most Christians as anti-Christian too, just like the materialist, uh,

you know, materialist view of history, you know, like both sides are like the average Christian typically perceives them as threats against Christianity. Have you noticed that? Yes. So you're not really out of the boat either way, are you, Shane? Really? You know, on one hand, you've got the ones that say material is always going up, which is in some ways a kind of Christian concept because, you

Christians are the idea that, you know, the Bible begins a garden and ends in a city. So there's something to build. And then then you have the but they but they do tend to be more materialistic. And then you have the other ones who are like, you know, the ones that are a little bit more open to wild reinterpretation of history with the Randall Carson type stuff. And that is offensive to some Christians because, again, it messes up either their timeline or history.

the concept that God would do great technologies long, long ago and then leave us kind of barren for so long. He just kind of disrupts. But then there's also a popular strain of Christians that fit that thing in with the Nephilim thing and all that, right? You know, the little Nephilim put around the giant, you know, so that's more like conspiracy young Christians, but there's some older ones too, but the online Christian conspiracy kind of people,

And then they have the ones that try to fit that into Before the Flood and all that with the Nephilim, Genesis 6. But typically, a lot of Christians interpret this fascination with ancient alien technology as an attack on Christians too. So which way is it, Shane? I mean, you're saying that guy's the materialist party line, but isn't that already breaking apart and going into...

this new narrative where we're supposed to believe that magic does exist, but there's, there's another explanation for it other than Christian assumptions. Right. Well, unfortunately I think growing up in this culture, I think it's really hard not to absorb the, the, the party line of, of, of atheism and materialism and, and,

and, and, and, and Darwinism and, and, and all, and all these kinds of wicked isms to absorb the, for, for Christians to absorb these things as their, their, their kind of like default settings, you know, because, you know, the, the average Christian growing up in America grew up going to public school, like, like, like, like all of us did.

And so if you're fortunate enough to, to, to go to church every Sunday, you know, you're, you're going to go to your, you know, if you're a little kid, you're going to go to your Sunday school. You're going to hear a sermon, a church sermon. You're going to have the church service you're going to go to. And you're going to hear about, you know, you're going to hear stories from the Bible. You know, you're, you're going to hear, hear stories from Christian history and everything, but there's this unspoken agreement that, that, that,

That your religious mind is to be separate from like the material mind. You know, and that the material mind or like the material part of yourself, that is supposed to be up to the experts. Like the scientists and the anthropologists and the historians and everybody like that. And Christians are just supposed to drop out of –

of the world of academia. Christians are supposed to drop out of these worlds of forming and articulating opinions and hypotheses that are based upon evidence and that are falsifiable. There's this whole idea that like

that Christians shouldn't really have anything to do with the world, that the world will just keep going on the way it will. And that we, that Christians are just supposed, that we're supposed to keep our religion private and we're just supposed to keep it in our little, in our little God box. And then, and you don't bring anything from inside of the God box outside of it. You know, but the,

I just lost my train of thought. David, what was it that I was responding to? The two different moves are both considered kind of a challenge to Christianity. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so the direction that I was going with it is that Christians, all Christians in the West have internalized atheism and materialism. It's only a question of how much have they internalized it.

And what I would argue is that this atheism and materialism and everything, it was definitely ascendant post-Enlightenment, but it was really crowned as being the preeminent default setting of the West after World War II. But fortunately, I think all of that is cracking up now.

And that's a really popular thing to say now, that the whole post-World War II consensus that that's all falling apart.

And I think that's absolutely true. And I think that's the reason that you have your Randall Carlsons and among a lot of Christians, you have a lot of them that are looking into like the Nephilim and the Book of Enoch and all that. That's the reason like the ancient alien stuff is also popular on the History Channel is because there's like a growing cultural zeitgeist where people are saying, ah, this –

This whole post-World War II thing that made so much sense in like 1966, you know, it doesn't explain everything and it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense now. And now we are far enough away from the whole – from the founding moment of the post-World War II consensus, which is World War II. Now we're far enough away from that that we can say, well, you know what?

Maybe that was all fine and dandy back then, but it really doesn't mean much to us now.

You know, we're okay taking that post-World War II consensus and putting it under the microscope and trying to falsify that and see if that thing can really stand up against testing, you know? It's interesting. We did a show on the Strat of Turin recently, you know, with Robert Rucker, who's a nuclear engineer. And we had Dr. Yu, a physicist, and Dr. Max Zameloff, a Medichev, who's a nuclear scientist himself.

And it was an interesting discussion where he presented his findings of the char marks on the, on the trout. And it's fascinating, you know, how that, how there's so much, so much data there. Joe Rogan just recently tweeted out a link to a guy, Dr. John, John, I can't remember his name, John Campbell, or who is a guy on YouTube who,

Who's talking about the evidence of the Shroud? So it's interesting how it's always aliens, Egypt, pyramids, Shroud of Turin, Bigfoot. It always goes back to those same ones, doesn't it? Ark of the Covenant. Where's the Ark of the Covenant? Ark of the Covenant. Yeah. It needs a new Hollywood movie to give it some attention, right? The Holy Grail. Yeah.

Now JFK fouls, now it's become... I've got to ask you while I have you, Shane. You're a big Kennedy fan since you're a Kennedy, and you've always been obsessed. By the way, I've been invited to interview somebody who is a former...

girlfriend of Lee Harvey Oswald. And I don't know if you'd like to be, Oh, look how happy Shane's face guy. He got excited. Would you like to be a part of that?

I would love to. Well, in fact, if it's the person, so if it's the person that I think you're, if we're thinking of the same person, I have her book and I've read it. What's it called? And who is it? Well, it's. I wrote down the name, but I'll remind, it'll remind, I can look for it and see. Judith, very Baker. Yep.

Is that the one you know? Yeah. Well, well, I don't know her, but, but I, but I, I've, I've, I've read her book and then, and then I also, did you like it? It was fantastic. Would you like to be on the interview? Yes. Yeah. Well, well, David, listen, I'll, I'll tell you this. I probably won't say much. I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, I'll just want to sit and listen to you guys talk. I'm going to let you talk because I don't know much about the subject, but I know you've been studying the Kennedy files because you've lived up to your name.

Well, you know... What's your takeaway about all that, man? It's all these 80,000 documents. You know? Um...

Sorry to change subjects, but I've got to have that topic while we're talking about pyramids, Stratoturin. It's this classic 80s and 90s late-night television. Yeah, it's pretty much the lineup on the History Channel after dark. Or better yet, the Coast to Coast AM, right? Yes. So shame. Coast to Coast AM, that was the original. By the way, when I was going through recently the High Desert,

of new mexico on my way to roswell i had to put on the coast to coast uh yes i was flying through it in the midnight hour i mean it was like i was like man this is so fun you know yeah i was on a trip a little road trip i said wow this is so cool you know let me stop by a mcdonald's with the ufo on and roswell you know that by the way i know i'm going on a tangent but god man i went to that roswell museum oh it's so depressing i mean so many people got killed

you know i mean first of all the thing about the roswell museum this is fascinating you go into this town and you go in and they've got this little library you know it's got every alien related book you could ever imagine from childhood interest to a fiction to craziest history stuff enoch and nephilim and all that everything in between every abduction book

And it's all stuck in the 90s. Like their heyday was like 2000s and the 90s. You know, they were like running lots of tourists over there. It's a little slumpy now. But anyways, man, you go into the museum or the Roswell thing and you just see person after person killed. You know, that were eyewitnesses to whatever they saw. Just like, you know, one goes into a nursing home and she's a young, like a middle-aged lady and she dies. So many people just...

dead and you're like wow something going on here you know

Well, you know, it kind of makes me think of the people that Shannon said they would bury with the pharaohs. Yeah. You know, like they knew too much and they didn't want getting out. They didn't want for those people to like demystify the pharaohs or the Chinese emperor or something. They just buried them along with them. You know, all these stories, and I'm sorry to go on a tangent, but I just had to say that all these stories, it just reminds me sometimes –

My friend Owen Whitman, who's been on our show a lot of times over the years, he always said, you know, a statement. I think Darwin, he kind of paraphrases Darwin as saying, if there is a God, he must be a predator. You know, stay away from him. Because the universe exhibits all kinds of very violent, uncaring, predatorial patterns, right? And you think about it, and you think about all these people who

Like, what is it like to be the lady who dies because you were at the Roswell incident? You know, what was your purpose driven life? According to Rick Warren, you know, God's got a plan for you. You're going to get fricking murdered because you saw some kind of fricking hobgoblin or whatever the hell in a desert. And you kept saying the truth about it. Like, shouldn't she be a saint in the church?

If she was speaking the truth about what Hobgoblin or whatever the hell she saw in the desert and the government killed her, isn't she a martyr for telling the truth? I mean, she saw the most extraordinary thing that's more earth shattering than anything. Theoretically, if she's telling the truth and she goes to her grave doing that and she gets silence for that, isn't she a martyr? And 100%. So why won't she be canonized? No one even knows her name. I went to the museum and I forgot her name. I'd have to look it up. I took a photo of it.

Well, where is God and all these things? In other words, it seems like it's easier to believe in the goodness of Jesus's political revolution and its impact in society than it is to believe that he is connected to the creator of things. When you have these predatorial hobgoblins and things crashing into the desert, people getting murdered for it just because they said, hey, I saw something. All right, boom, you're killed. You know, I'd like to see Rick Warren write a book about her autobiography. You know.

You know, that's another thing that's depressing, too, about like the Christians, the Christian when you go to the Christian publishing industry and the Christian media industry, it's all these people just trying to get the next book deal. You know, there's they treat Christianity like a product, like a commodity. That's the problem with this society. Is there any new site left for Christians?

Is there any new site produced and curated by Christians? You know, it's not. There's only Paula White who wants you to give. Paula White. Yep. Oh, boy. To her. To her. To her. Yeah. Yeah. She wants you to do the all the alms giving during during Lent to her, you know. So a seed of one thousand. I'm saying you shall be blessed two thousand four. You know what I mean?

Even Trump got on that plane. I'm sure he didn't pass. Trump appointed a CDC director who's a total pharma shill and all for the vaccine. After his first pick, David Weldon, had mild criticism about the vaccine from decades ago. That was enough to get him to withdraw his nomination and stay out of it. And instead, he just, did you see his pick? It's Susan Menores, who is a former intelligence agent

Department of Health. She's a big advocate of the vaccines. Susan Menendez. She's going to be the CDC pick for Trump. And that's in place of David Weldon, who had mild criticisms of the vaccine. And this is after...

Trump also allowed Danny Davis, Lieutenant Colonel Danny Davis, who's been on my show many times, he withdrew his pick. He didn't even need to be Senate confirmed for being underneath Tulsi Gabbard's DNI office as an assistant because he had criticism about our foreign policy with Israel and Syria or whatever.

But Trump's turning out to be a bit of a failure right now in terms of his living up to the second chance that God gave. That just goes to show that we have free will, you know? Right. Just because God saves your life doesn't mean you're an autopilot hero, you know? You can still be a fool, you know? And we don't understand, of course, the narrative that he has to hear or whatever, but that's no excuse. All we have to do is tell the truth, you know? We cannot support liars, right?

who want to recommend dangerous, violent products for children when they don't even need it. You know, I mean, it's a disgrace, you know? Yeah. But what do you think about the JFK file release, Shane? I got to get your take on that. It doesn't really seem like a whole lot of, you know, it, it seems like, so the thing, the thing that makes me, the, the, the thing that kind of raised my eyebrow with it was I remember, I,

The night that it dropped, you know, just kind of like going on, you know, going on Twitter, going on Google and just kind of like searching, you know, and also going to the National Archives website and just kind of like just doing like little like word searches through it, you know, and just thinking this is it. You know, this, you know, this is the stuff that they've said would compromise national security since the 1960s if they were to release it like this is it.

So at least in my mind, the question it raised was either one, the real indicting documents were destroyed, which I think is probably the case because we're not dealing with dummies up in the government. They're not going to preserve a piece of paper that says we had a –

A CIA squad of snipers positioned on this building and this building, and at this moment, this moment, we fired on and killed the sitting president. These are the photographs, and this is the actual video footage of it. You know that stuff is all going to get destroyed. Look at what they did with –

with, uh, with USA ID. Remember the way that USA ID, the minute that, uh, that, that, that they found out that the Trump was defunding them. The first order that they made was to start burning documents, you know? So, so I guess my point is if they're going to do that at USA ID, which, which we pretty much know a lot of the horrible things that USA ID has done around the world and all the wasting of money and everything. But,

The government killing or being complicit in the killing of the sitting president, that's a much bigger deal than like than than funding, you know, studies into like trans frogs and the Congo or something like that. Like, you know, those those are worlds apart as far as like.

That money for trans frogs was probably going to kill the president of Congo or something at the time, too. Yeah, you know what? You're probably right. And I'm sure RFK Jr. would have something to say about that. But the...

No, I think it's... By the way, would RFK Jr. tell Israel to get rid of their seed oils? No, no. You know what? If BB were to show up to RFK Jr.'s office and tell him, no, I want you to keep the seed oils and I want for you to promote them, RFK Jr. would probably do it. I would hope he wouldn't, but I'm just being facetious. But I find it interesting that these files, though, there just seems to really be nothing there. And the question is, well...

Why do they keep them secret for this long? And also like big picture, I think that is a bigger conversation that we have to have is if people over classify documents in the government, then should that be criminal? And I think it should be. Who's going to enforce that criminal charge when you have a criminal government?

Well, maybe if you're someone in the government who does have a security clearance and you find that a document or a swath of documents are over classified or you suspect that they're over classified, maybe there should be a reward or an incentive put in place for you to whistleblow that to a congressional committee or something. Or maybe there should be like a

Some kind of a board in in the, you know, like like like a like a trans intelligence board or something like that, where where those people could could whistleblow, like what they could do is go to the public and say, hey, I'm letting you know that I have submitted, you know.

A whistleblower report about documents that I have identified that are classified, that I believe are over classified. And I have submitted, and obviously I can't publicly say what the documents are or what they're about to the public, but I'm just letting you know that I have filed it with this board and then they're going to adjudicate it.

And then if the board ends up finding... And you know what that person is about to be? The next dude that came out of Australia. What's that dude's name? Who had to stay in house arrest for like years. Oh, Julian Assange? Yeah, that's the dude that came out of Australia. Well, you know, that's the reason... What I would say they need to do is...

is go out in public or just publicly file and say, I'm not suicidal. I love my life. And because I'm a patriot, I'm filing a whistleblowing report. I'm not disclosing any information that is classified. But I believe that the documents I have submitted to be reviewed have been overclassified. And then let's say it does turn out that they were overclassified.

then I think they ought to be provided with some kind of a financial reward. And then what we should do is prosecute the people that overclassified it. They might already be dead, though.

Maybe, but the thing is what you do is you make an example out of the people that over-classify documents because the thing is if we really want to talk about preserving democracy, if we really want to talk about making democracy work and everything, you can't have one class of people that are allowed to just classify anything that they want to prevent them from being absorbed into some kind of public scandal.

And then you have the underclass of everybody else who can't. You know, you cannot say that you are a democratic society and that be the case. You know? We're not a democratic society.

Right. No, no, no. And I agree with you on that. But the thing I'm saying is I find it ironic that the same people that are talking about how how we should all be equal, how we should all be. This should be one big egalitarian democratic society and everything. And we're all the same. We're all equal. The government is us. We are the government and all this. Those are the same people who who love to have this this super state.

that that that is allowed to basically make anything a state secret that they want and then they can preserve that state secret as long as they want and then if anybody if anybody raises a question about their ability to to classify this or to classify that then you would think that that our country just been attacked by foreign government you know you would think that it was the

that Pearl Harbor just happened again, or the Gulf of Tonkin, it just happened again, or, or, or something like that, you know, you know, so we, we have to have accountability to the people that are, that are, that are in charge of things. And I don't agree with this system at all. You know, my, my preference would be that, that we didn't have an intelligence agency, that, that we didn't have all these clandestine operations all over the world. And that's what we have to work toward long-term in my opinion. But,

I think we have to have a series of real checks and balances built in to the intelligence apparatus that exists today. And I don't know what that would look like. But the one thing that I think would work is to provide a financial incentive for people to –

to whistleblow or to blow the whistle on overclassified documents. You know, I think that would be a start because the ability of the public to chip away at this whole regime of classified secrets and everything, that...

that is one excellent way to start chipping away at the at the at the overreach of the federal government it's not the only way but it's it's certainly one what do you guys think i know both of you take pride in localism in your own area what do you think is the future of localism in our environment today for the next 10 years or 20 years i don't i don't know you know i mean

That's hard to say, you know, culturally and politically and economically. Do you think things are, you know, I remember saying you were talking about how like Hollywood would be decentralized eventually and, um, entertainment music would be decentralized eventually. And, and remember back in 2012 and all that, it was really popular politically to think about, uh,

you know, localism, the answer to globalism is localism. I remember B.J. Lawson used to say that. He was a guy that ran for Congress in North Carolina, like Ron Paul type philosophy.

And then you had Tom Woods' book, which was a popular bestseller at the time, I think, Nullification, which was about how to nullify bad federal law at the state level. All that was really popular back during the Tea Party era. And you don't hear about it as much now. I mean, it's still there. And there's all these perennial groups that are doing stuff. Ain't My America by Bill Kaufman. Yeah. I was just looking up Bill Kaufman. I couldn't find anything by him. I think he kind of jumped into...

He got off the public limelight. But what do you think of localism, how it's going to interact with this? Because this Trump thing is such an exercise in futility. Because if you're going to have 20 criminal investigations and survive death and be as crazy and wild thinking as Trump is, and you're still going to be a total subservient guy to...

status quo foreign policy and status quo CDC poisons and status quo crap and status quo USDA after you just got that once-in-a-lifetime mandate, it's demoralizing because, you know, J.D.'s not going to get that. Even if I like J.D., even if J.D. has a better philosophy governing-wise than Trump, he's not going to come in with the level of massive buy-in culturally,

I think that Trump would have. He doesn't have that, you know, he's not got the gravitas. I mean, he can always get it maybe eventually, but I don't think so. You don't have that quirky humor like Trump's railing about his portrait, how ugly it looks in Colorado's government office the other day. I mean, this is that's what makes Trump so fun and crazy and wild. But to have all of that and to still just.

Take all that charisma and goodwill and people giving you second chances and God giving you a second chance and loading up trash for CDC, trash for foreign policy, you know, trash, trash, trash, USDA trash, trash.

murdering chickens by the millions, stupid trash idiocy. And this dude talks a big game, this big Trump game. Oh, I'm going to fix you. I'm against, you're not against anything, man. You get after all that you win the popular vote. You don't want to go, you know, he really wants to get that stupid attaboy, you know, and it's, that's pathetic, right? Cause that's not what a real man does. You know, your real man has to lay it all on the field, but he don't want to, you know,

And so, you know, maybe he's still his story is still to be continued. But it's it is a demoralizing thing because I had subzero expectation for politics and he still found a way to disappoint me dramatically. I'm tired of us co-signing on to this stupid pagan killing of people in the Middle East. You know, but that's how you know, I watch Steve. I tell you, man, I almost I saw Steve Witkoff.

On Tucker Carlson's show, you know? I saw that too. And he said, you know, we just need to put some finance in that region. And I said, thank you for saying it out loud because you're a novice what this whole thing's about. Yeah. Iran needs to be brought to heel financially. It needs to have the banks and the whole dollar SWIFT system firmly in control of Iran.

They just have to embrace usury, David. That's all they have to do. He said that on Tucker's show. He said, do you imagine the business potential here in the region with Qatar and what Palestine could be and these players and then Iran, what we could do if we brought finance to the region? And I thought, God, that's the whole thing, isn't it? You just said the quiet part out loud, didn't you? The finance, huh? That's what we got to do all this for? It's just, and this is the best thing

Of the America first. I mean, I don't see his bench having the gravitas to pull off the kind of energy that Trump has pulled off. I see a lot of whimpering cowards. I mean, they just don't have that fortitude that he has. So you got Mr. Fortitude.

And this is the result. It's extremely demoralizing, you know, and I think what I don't care about politics. I'm a political atheist and I'm still demoralized about a God. But I think what it is for you is is a is a is a thing of, you know, we all sort of fell into this euphoria or sense of romanticism around the political arena.

When Trump was, you know, when the whole election thing was going on, you see what I'm saying? So we all had that. Yeah, you get bedazzled by the spell. Yeah, we all had that sort of romantic lie or whatever, you know what I mean? Hypnotic. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But it was like real life was hypnotic. How does the man dodge death? You know, how does the man beat all the prisons? And you're like, okay.

Now you've been given a mandate. Now's your chance to govern actually godly with courage. What do you have to fear? Well, apparently a lot because he's just turning into John McCain again. Here we go again. He could have. Well, you know, he could have first started with the whole thing of like this is something that I think me and Shane talked about even before Trump got in office. And this was the whole thing about Trump.

I think I called it something like the Trump's Jubilee moment. Yeah. You know, in the sense that when he gets into office, he has a, he has a, he has an opportunity to sort of do the Christian thing, which is to forgive those who were persecuting him or, you know, or, or do the opposite. You know what I mean? Go after the, go after the people that were persecuting him. So,

I think that goes in tandem with this whole thing of like, are you really gonna change? Was he really gonna shift gears and change things around or was it gonna be sort of the status quo? And that's not to say that I don't, I think some of the things that he has done,

It has shook the system. You know what I mean? I mean, getting rid of the Department of Education, you know, sticking with that. You know, I don't necessarily know how that's going to work out in each state. But the shaking he's doing, yeah, the shaking he's doing is like a dog jumping on top of the pyramid at the top of it. And what it's doing to the foundation is nothing. Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, if you think about, like, okay, yeah, you say, well...

education should go back to the states. Well, there are states that are going to make it even worse for the people that are in those states. I still can't imagine, I can't fathom how anybody would want to send their kids to the average government school today. I can't even understand how that's not rejected by at least 60% of the population. The fact that that is still so mimetically

Thing I am just baffled by I'm like after all of this. What do they have to do? Yeah, I don't think your children before your stupid like paralyzing mimetic hive mind idiocy snaps And you at least put them into a private school or something but to put them in these stupid trash schools. Yeah, I

After all of this, the COVID stuff, the nutcase stuff, the ideology from USAID, all this trash. It's like, God, man, America deserves

Yeah. But it's going to get, man. It deserves it. Now, the kids don't deserve it. Kids don't deserve colon cancer. So if Kennedy would stop talking about Israel every day of his Twitter page and actually get the canola oil out of the kids food supply, we could stop colon cancer for kids. Yeah. But these guys are just sitting over there genuflected like bitches.

24-7, and this is the best America first could do? What a whimpering piece of shit.

What a whimpering piece of shit. When you look at conservative... I don't think that... I don't even care about fixing it anymore. You're getting heated up. It's getting foggy. I wish it was fog. Going back to your whole thing about talking about education, I don't think that...

people who are, you know, I don't think parents necessarily want to send their kids to public schools. It's just that the state that they're in, the politicians that are here, they have, if you're going to give, if you're going to give the decision to the states, who's going to snatch it that first, it's going to be the politicians who are going to snatch it, squeeze it and say, okay, we're good. If we're going to take control, then we're really going to have control. So I,

These coastal states, they're going to say, well, we're not giving any funding and we're not going to allow for people to choose where they send their kids to school. We're going to force it even more to where people have to choose public schools. But on the flip side, what the state is doing with Trump, you said, well, you're not going to get no state funding.

That might force these states to reconsider some of their some of their their viewpoints. You know, I'm saying like this whole thing of the transgender thing. You know, I'm saying you look at, you know, I think what was that state main or something like that? Yeah. You know what I mean? And the lady was like, well, you know, we'll see you in court and stuff like that.

And he's like, I will see you in court. Right. He's like, I will see you in court. I will see you in court. You know, and that, but that thing flipped, you know what I'm saying? It flipped in a matter of weeks. You know what I'm saying? Because they realized they weren't going to get no, no funding. You know what I mean? So, so, you know, I just think, yeah, I just think, I don't understand how you can send your kid to government school, man. I don't know what excuse people always got a million excuses, but God, they just like to get, you know,

Well, and you know, and that's Americans don't understand what time it is. They don't get it. You know, they think it's about agenda 2030. I mean, that that's probably the smallest problem on the horizon here. You just just like the existential issues are not going to survive, which is probably going to be predated by this agenda crap or whatever. But, you know, I mean, like that, that, that.

Shane, people are not being raised. People are being raised by wolves at a level we've never seen, and it's catastrophic. The seed oils, everything is literally driving insane rates of colon cancer for 10-year-olds, 8-year-olds, man, cancers and obesity. This is not sustainable. What will those people be like when they're 50, man?

If they're aging out at eight years old in their digestive tract at eight because of what we're doing, what's that going to be like when they're the grandkids, grandparents, and who's supporting them, right? And what level of health and, like, catastrophe are we dealing with?

Well, by that time, the average age in America will probably be like 47 or something because I think in 1970... That's going to be in our lifetime, apparently. We don't understand the catastrophe we're headed towards. I'm not saying it's over, but nobody's awake, man. You look at these conservative movements, they either always spiral off into the most crazy... It's always about the nanobot graphene, but it's

Oh, it's exhausting. You know, they're either chasing after the most obscure thing that is maybe is part of it. But, you know, there's just no organization. Yeah. The obscure thing like peer coils underneath the pyramid. Well, let me say this, though.

I think, you know, there's a big difference between different generations and a lot of that has to do with the world in which they were raised under. You know, like what the cultural constellation was at the time. And, you know, in 1970, the average age in America was something like, I think it was like 19 years old. It was like 19 years old or maybe it was 20. The average age in America today is like 36. Yeah.

And in I think it's like 20 or 30 years, the average age in America, it's going to be in the 40s. You know, so we we we are witnessing an America that's getting older and an America that gets a lot older. It's going to be less productive. Right. We're going to have a smaller cohort of young people to take care of all the old people. Yeah. Women and the men have no incentive and the women have no incentive to get married.

Right. So it's all just rapidly unraveling, man. Give it another five years of cooking in this direction. It's going to get worse and worse and worse at this point. It's going to end up like Japan. Worse. Yeah, actually, I think it'll be worse in Japan, man. But the thing I'll say is this, is that I think deep within the millennial soul, you know, and look, you...

Like you guys, I have a lot of friends that I disagree with at a very, very deep level, you know, politically, religiously, and everything. And then I have family members that are boomers that I disagree with at a very, very deep level. And the argument that I notice most boomers will use is,

um against like christianity and against um and and against like downsizing government and being pro-localist and stuff the argument against those things that most boomers will use is they'll say well you know um i don't buy into the idea that i have any responsibility to anybody else i'm just here to have a good time baby you know like you know that's all i'm here to do and then for millennials on the other hand i think deep within the millennial soul is a

yearning to know what good is. I really do believe that. Your most radical, take AOC for instance. Your most radical, crazy AOC. As authoritarian and wild as she is, I do think that there is a, I think deep down there is a yearning to do what is right.

You know, like for somebody like AOC. Okay. That she legitimately wants to do good. I don't think so. But I don't like her either. I don't know. I don't think she genuinely wants to do good. No, David, listen. I think that deep down in her soul, she wants to do good, but she's embraced the whole like might makes right and authoritarian thing.

And she looks at people that are homeless and she looks at people that don't have access to a doctor and stuff and she's like, well, the only way to solve that problem that I know of that's been passed on to me through the university I went to and everything, the only means of taking care of these people is at the point of a gun. Yeah.

It is to go and take wealth from this person over here and hire a bunch of government bureaucrats and set up this multi-billion dollar homeless housing project or something. And you set up this massive apparatus to take care of the homeless problem. And it only makes the homeless problem worse. So the only thing I'm saying is that I think a lot of millennials do –

Even people that the three of us will viscerally disagree with, I think that they're coming to the table from the point of view that they want to do what is right. But unfortunately, at a structural level, they don't really – they don't understand how doing something good via authoritarian means is still wrong. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I see what you're saying because at their core, they don't have a sense of community. They don't understand that these are, that these types of things need to be handled through the community, taking care of the homeless, taking care of, of, of, of sick people, of sick family members and everything that's got to take care. That's got to be taken care of through the community. Unfortunately, the world, the world of millennials were handed was one where, where,

Where community was essentially slaughtered by the generations that preceded us. Didn't Trump, didn't Trump. And I'm not endorsing AOC, by the way. Didn't Trump get the majority of millennial and Gen Z votes or something?

Except for white college-educated women. Like he won the majority of millennials and Gen Z, though, didn't he? Right. I think the only demographics that he did not gain much with, which he still gained with, were white college-educated women. But I think he actually won the majority of millennials and Gen Z, which is something Republicans had never done. Yes. So that was...

He's very authoritarian the way he acts. I want to take it back to what Shane was saying, though, because if you think about it, we've talked about this amongst ourselves before with this whole thing of liberals and people who sort of have almost like a foundational socialist view, communist view or whatever. We've talked about how this idea that communism or socialism has...

has its roots in sort of the, you know, enlightenment too, or, you know, it has a gospel component to it the same way that sort of capitalism does as well. You know, it's just, I think that the communists, the socialists,

Frame framework has has been distorted. You know what I mean? It is it is, you know, it is turn it turns into sort of a like a hatred. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, you talk about like Star Wars and Darth, you know, you got Darth Vader. Well, Darth Vader was first. What was what was his name? Anakin Skywalker or Anakin Skywalker. Right. So he come in. He came up with, you know, the right.

way, you know what I mean? Being a Jedi or whatever, right? But something happened, right? He lost his wife or the person that he loved or whatever, something like that. You know, I think the story goes and then, you know, whatever. And then he went down this sort of tragic road where he now thinks that what he's doing, creating, you know, for the empire or whatever, or for the Republic is good for humanity. It's good for the galaxy.

Yeah. Yeah. And so I think, you know, and I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to liken AOC or anybody else to Darth Vader, but just, I'm just saying, you know, they both, both sides have, have good, they mean well, right. But the outcomes tend to be, you know, it doesn't turn out the same way that I think maybe they're thinking of, right. Because what happens is,

in communist states is that the state takes over and then that leads to more violence, right? You think about Russia and China. Yeah. All those people did, you know, even though maybe their five-year program that they had in mind, you know, Stalin had in mind or, you know, whatever, he thought he was doing a good thing, you know, maybe, you know what I'm saying? So. Well, and you know, I think that conservatives today, you know,

which I, you know, we've all talked about how much we, we all really dislike that word. You know, unfortunately, I think that conservatives today are not really articulating anything. They're just, they're just like articulating like,

We're just going to shrink the government. We're just going to destroy the government. Not destroy the government. We're going to rein it in. We're going to get rid of all the waste. We're going to combat government overreach and everything and bring it back into the box that the Constitution lays out for it, which is what we should be doing. But at the same time, I don't think we are proposing the – we're not articulating –

a vision for, for the future. And, and when I say we, I'm not talking about us because we, we always talk about a vision for the future, but most concern, like the, the conservatives that have large platforms are,

They're just going on and saying, we're going to take out the Department of Education. We're going to shrink the Pentagon. We're going to shrink this. We're going to shrink that and everything. All things I disagree with that need to have happened that should have happened yesterday. But the thing is, ultimately the question is, why are we doing it? Are we saying that we're going to do it?

To save money? Are we saying that we're going to do it to keep some people out of jail? Are we saying that we're going to do it for this or that? Well, those would all be good reasons to save money, to keep people out of jail for justice, whatever. But we should be saying that the reason we want to get rid of these things is because they're getting in the way of the way things ought to be. The world that you should identify yourself as existing within is not –

America, whose head is DC, you should perceive yourself as being a fish swimming in the aquarium of your local community, whether that is your local church, your local city council, extended family that live around you, friends, and you have multiple layers to that. But I think what we need to do is

articulate that as being the vision do you think millennials and gen z as they get older are gonna are gonna resurge localism or do you don't think it's gonna look like that i think so to do that how are they yeah how's that gonna look well what will be the tipping point to make them do that because they're very national oriented well what i think is interesting i think there's a big bifurcation among among millennials and gen z where they're

They're either hyper nationalist or they're not, you know, and then it's interesting because most boomers kind of tend toward an average of being like where it's just very, very muddled language where they they say that that they that they're first and foremost an American and love the country and everything. But they they also love their local community, too.

You know, it's like a very, very confusing thing because remember that kind of the cultural constellation, like the societal constellation that the boomers were born into and grew up in, they still had a semblance of local community, right, around them.

They still had functional churches. They still had functional local public schools. They still had a functional community that had a pecking order and that had a hierarchy where – and it wasn't perfect. I'm not trying to make it sound like it was Chocolate Rivers and Lollipop Fields or anything, but they grew up in a world where the local community had authority and it was functional. Not perfect, but functional.

Today, when we look at our local communities, they've been hollowed out. You know, the jobs that pay decently well were all exported overseas. You know, drugs were brought into those communities and starting in like the 60s and 70s, probably by our CIA. But we don't really know that as a concrete fact, but probably. Yeah.

It almost seems like there was a big war by the big guys in the national government against the local – I'm not going to say local governments but against like power centers within local communities and the national consolidated power center won.

And so now what we need to do, I think, is start fighting for, and I'm not advocating for violence. I'm saying like verbally fight, you know, you know, like win the war of ideas. We need to start, start fighting for there, there to be local nodes of local nodal power centers again.

in our churches and civic organizations, you know, among families, you know, among friends, get to know your neighbors, you know, a neighbor's choice, you know, go to the farmer's market, meet people at the farmer's market. That's the thing I think, man, that I think that's what millennials are starving for more than anything in the world is a sense of community. And I think in order for there to be a sense of community, I think a prerequisite is a

a commonly held sense of what is objectively moral. And I think that's the reason that millennials seem to be so fixated on trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong. Because when we were all growing up, the message that all of us heard through the public schools was, well, you have your truth and they have their truth and we all just need to get along. Well, now that's all festered and it's all exploding. We have to have a public sense of morality.

And then, and then the community, I think, and then that, and then that, that lays the, that fertilizes the soil for, for authentic community to grow out of that. If that makes sense. Well, Shannon, any final thoughts? I got to wrap it up. No, man, get, get, get, you know, start signaling, get the pyramids. Let's get the, you know what I'm saying? Let's start signaling. Let's get them signals going. You know what I mean? And, and everything will be all right. Once we get, get in contact.

We'll really know what's been going on the last 2002 years. I wonder if anybody has shown up at the pyramids yet with a car battery and jumper cables. Yeah. Yeah, man. All right. Appreciate you guys. Thank you for coming on. Thank you, David. Thank you. Thank you.