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Ask about next card plus choose. You look great. You look wonderful. Thank you. They pulled me from hair and makeup. They pull. I love, I love authentic spade is my favorite space. Yeah. Look at me. Yeah. It's awesome. It's a little dark. Yeah. Sure. Good. No, there's texture. There's, there's contrast. Taryn looks the best. Dana looks like a best cause it's bright. And do you have the blur background? Uh, Taryn?

Uh, no, I, it's a good camera, but I do have the touch up filter on. Yeah. You know, 26. So I don't know if we could videotape this. I mean, your new nickname is high school senior shave the beard and go out, just go out.

Yeah, the beard is fake so I can get booze. He was a family man that went back to high school. He had a beard when he was 13. Invest in Apple. Trust me. Yeah. Damn, that's too close to home. I was told to do that in 2003 and I told the guy to fuck off. I said, no, take your Apple stock ideas. It will never work. Dana, you're the anti-Forest Gump. Yeah.

You go back and get bad advice. What is that obvious now? You know, what's, what's the, we can't tell right now because everything's just like, exactly. It's going to be a tech that, that I don't even understand. I got all my money in female space missions. Okay. You're doing very well. Oh, that's right. Well, we'll, we can talk about that if you want, but I just went straight into the divine feminine, just all divine feminine.

That's the future. No, I'd go to space. I'd go to space. Wouldn't you go to space? Sure. It's seemingly like the uproar is like how they talked about going to space. Like they weren't, they weren't acknowledging of the jet fuel enough, but I'd go to space. Well, the tension is, is that any rocket could blow up any second in the, uh, takeoff phase. That would make me nervous. And that's the, you know, Oh, sorry. It was a fuse. We didn't trade it out. You know, the fuck.

So if we lost Gail that way, I'd never forgive us. Never. Can you imagine if Oprah just went full Oprah, if that thing exploded and she started beating the shit out of Bezos? That's her like John Wick movie. She becomes a one Oprah army. Try to pull her off.

Anybody who drives a Cybertruck suddenly ends up dead. You want some of this, Oprah? But anyway, I like that Jeff Bezos, everything in his whole ecosystem looks like a dick. Like the spaceship does, the swoop on Amazon does. His head. His actual head. His head, yeah. His own head. Sorry. I don't- His wiener surprisingly doesn't. It isn't. No, it's more square. It's square. It's more chode-like.

They're rich and famous. It's fun to shit on them. They're fine. They're fine, man. But seriously, would you go on the rocket? Yes. Because we could do an SNL alumni rocket.

Oh, yeah. That's what we should do. All right, troops. Get ready. Fred Armisen, you'll be in the blue chair. Who's your dream cast? Like, no. Who's your dream SNL astronaut? Yeah, who's your dream rocket cast? Yeah, yeah. Actually, I would cast you as an astronaut. I'll take it. I'll take it. You could act and you could play it and you could play that kind of whatever you call that astronaut vibe.

I'll take it. Dana, I didn't know this was going to be an hour of my heroes complimenting me, but I would have signed up faster. It is. Well, we just, yeah, you can run, but you cannot hide. Sorry, Terran, Killiam. We're about to put a bookmark. You could use your Bland Bachelor sort of character to go up in space to be the everyman. Exactly. I just watched Bland Bachelor. What was it called? The Selena Gomez? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember that. How often does it happen where people bring up sketches that you have no memory of? It's never not happened. It's funny because I said, I will remember everything I did on SNL. And I wasn't like super sketch guys. So I was in like one or two a show and I still cannot remember half of them.

Yeah. I remember my first week very well. And Seth being at the table talking about seeing an episode on VH1 or whatever. And he's like, it turned it on and Amy Puller was in it. And I was like, oh, I must've been changing backstage. I don't remember this sketch. And he walked onto the screen. He was in the sketch. And I remember thinking to myself, that'll never happen to me. There's no way I will remember every second of this. Well, 127 shows is the main metric that I read. So probably cause you were ubiquitous on the show. Yeah.

400 sketches? Yeah. Probably maybe 500. Half of those high school astronauts. The high school astronaut. That's a quick addendum. I have some film ideas for this dude before we get done, but let's go through his. Let's go through. Listen to my transition to do a pitch. I was at the good nights. I saw a clip the other day and it was, it was when Nirvana was on either. I don't know which time, but I guess Kurt Cobain had,

purple hair and he turned around and started making out with chris novacek or dave growl and it was a big story and you pant you pull back and i'm standing right there you know in the back waiting to hug someone or get it over with not really watching them kiss and i'm like i do not remember being on the good nights and i do not remember seeing them kiss and that was scary because that was actually something that happened instead of just being in the background of a sketch or something

So I realize it does happen. It's very real what we're talking about. It is. We're getting deep, heavy, and real. Deep, heavy, and real. Dana's new special. Deep, heavy, and real. No, I know someone says that. You know, when you hug people on the good nights, it's kind of interesting. There's a traditional amount of hugging and hugging pressure. And then there's...

more pressure and longer and like, geez, I didn't know you felt this way about me. It's like Heidi Gardner. It's fascinating to like, she feels that way about everybody. She's a lover. She's a lover. It's fascinating how people project onto the good nights, you know, like I, the only thing I would do is that when the, when the beat would drop in the drums, I would like jump into the air and people caught onto that. But that was like a fun tradition. Oh, that's cool. But otherwise it's,

yeah it was nice it was and not always on camera so sometimes you just see a shoulder hopping into frame or whatever um but it's so funny how people read into like oh look they're angry they didn't hug they're angry yeah they skip the host walks right by you and hugs someone next to you oof on camera burn burn shame so you would go to the back and then snake your way toward the lens or would you snake I

I wish I would like a regret is I wish I'd stayed in costume more because those are my favorite good nights to see. Oh yeah. Especially when the 10 to one got cut and you're just like, Oh yeah. Why? Why is there some like robot clown on holding a hot dog? And it doesn't make that. What was that? Like a llama. The best part is when you're still in your costume, you're like barely made it to good nights.

yeah it's live folks yeah i i do i love it um yeah but in terms of like any who hugged me who didn't like so much of i'm just speaking for myself like i'm in my own head about my week like i literally don't care about anybody else who did you hug the most though was the host or was that's a good question was kristen oh yeah kristen and i overlapped kristen kristen and i knew each other before the show too so

She was always very kind to me. Ooh, at the good, good, good, good Groundlings? Mm-hmm. Yeah, Big G. You're the coolest. The Groundlings are the coolest because they just come in loaded. They've already done sketch comedy. That's nice. We're stand-ups. We're playing greasy spoons and shit boxes. It's literally cheating when you go to read through the first day and I go, this guy will suck. And then they got a fucking...

perfectly buffed out ground like a perfect sketch you can take it from groundlings and put it on 8h and old jed's a millionaire you know it is the best training in terms of like the structure like there is no other comedy platform you know second city is is pretty close and similar but groundlings especially the sunday company is like new show every sunday pitching ideas but i love i love what chris rock says about it and that like

Stand up people come in and they know how to write jokes. That is the difference.

That's the difference is that like the joke, that was something I struggled with. Groundlings are character based, so it's behavioral comedy, right? Like to pare it down. And the stand-ups, I was always so envious and covetous of just knowing. I'm bad at the other way. How to get laughs. How to get laughs. That's helpful. I don't know how to write jokes. Spade's a great joke writer, monologue writer, but he's telling a story and then he has all these laugh points, you call them, but...

But yeah, a little tiny tent poles. You are my sketches are tougher. Go ahead. Well, the way what Taryn, what you lean in on is what I still find my, my favorite, where it's like, I did see one. I went through, cause that's the cool thing. YouTube best of Taryn, you know? So I will go into a lot of them, but the one with Justin Bieber, where he says Gleiss and you're, you're totally carrying this sketch with attitude. Yeah.

of the asshole brother who's really fucking with the data of his sister aggressively and played all the beats and committed so hard that it was just so much fun to watch.

Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, that was a groundling sketch for sure. Oh, it was? Yeah. And tell me about it because I didn't see it. Yeah, just explain it. Do a little bit of the attitude so he would know. Yes. So the premise is that Nassim brings home a boyfriend from college, Justin Bieber, and he has to meet her older, like way past his prime, still living at home brother who like tries to act intimidating, but is pretty pathetic.

And Justin's first line is like, it's nice to meet you. I meant to say, I'm glad to meet you. And it's nice. But I said, Gleiss. And then my guy's like, Gleiss.

what the hell is Gleiss? He sounds so stupid. And then throughout the sketch, all these details about my life come out about how I, how pathetic. And then he can't let go of it. He can't let go of the one thing he has against this beautiful, charming young man who's come home. Of a jerk and the rhythm in there. It's like a joke in a way that you're going, Gleiss and all that. And then you kind of break it down again. Oh, no, I'll give you wrong, man. You're a cool brother.

Yeah, there's like a big laugh in it that was just me saying, remember? Like I say, Gleiss, and I say, remember? And it had happened 30 seconds ago. He seems pretty cool, though. Was he fun that week? He was, yeah, he was young. He was young, and he was entering a phase, but I had good experiences with him. That's a good cloak. Yeah, it was like, I feel like it was pre-roast.

post, um, you know, post Belieber documentary. Um, but yeah, but, but, but, you know, it, it's so interesting, like the currency in SNL where I'm so desperate for last speaking of laughs, but in many ways it's better to get like a whoop, like a, Oh,

to get like the girls screaming, you know, that was like a big, big part of like Timberlake's currency and stuff is like, they're not necessarily howling or side splitting, but they're just like when they would scream for justice wave also like, yeah, exactly. Some of it's for me. Some of it's for me. It's kind of a split crowd. I won't point to which ones because I'm humble, but part of this is for me. Yeah. Um, all right. Well,

Did you and B. No, no, I just don't. Oh, sorry. I got all these lists. We've been on a commercial for the last 12 minutes. We're going to record. We're going to start recording. This is called our warmup. Now you should have talked to Bieber about what it's like. You understand the quick fame. Yeah. Yeah. Let me, let me lay things out for you. Man, I've been there, dude. I just want to give you some advice.

Yeah. I mean, I started on the show a little bit older. Like I was 28 when I started, which is, but I know that Pete and he, Pete Davidson and Beaver connected and we're like, we're friendly for a while. But I was, I was already a dad when I started on the show. So I wasn't very good at like the hang, the post hours hang. Yeah. Weird, man. Yeah. Dana, I travel all over and sometimes, you know, you're on the road. Sometimes I get stuck.

with a hotel I don't love. And, uh, what happens is you think you see a few pictures, we look online, then you get there. And sometimes I was like, I should have tried to do an Airbnb on this one, you know? Yeah. I was on a road trip to Montana and we stopped in Winnemucca, Nevada and Winnemucca, uh,

There's a toddler in town. Let's just say that I wasn't doing maybe the best choices in Winnemucca. So an Airbnb would have been a much better choice, but I still had a good time in Winnemucca. Don't want to badmouth the town. You know, people can also take their houses and make them Airbnbs. That's the other flip side of that. You know, you go stay at nice ones, but if you have a place...

It could be big or small. You know, you never know. Yeah. And while you're away, your home could be an Airbnb. Yeah. Your home might be worth more than you think. Find out how much at Airbnb.com slash host.

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Yep. So when did they, I was there for, I was there for two seasons with wig and Sandberg. And then they left after my second season. And then bill Jason and Fred stayed one more season. Right.

And then I did another trip. That long ago? Kristen Wiig was it 2012, you're saying? 2012? Yeah. That was when she left? Yeah, yeah. Shit. Hey, time flies, man. I mean, my God. I left in 1888, so I guess it's all relative. Yeah. I can see the musket on your wall. Right after the Constitution came out, we had one bit about that, and then I split. And live from New York, it's Saturday night. Pow!

Reload! I like when people quit the show for like they got a commercial and they're like, I'm out. I hit the big time. And you're like, well. That's it. I'm done. Now they do commercials of sketches while you're watching the show. And I'm only envious. Oh yeah, the Californians. They have the Californians sketch. I go. Right. We will. We had to. Kevin Nealon and I were forced to turn down a Nike campaign. Just do it.

In 1988? It was going to be Jaws, do it. So now they're like doing that. I mean, I'm jealous, but I'm happy for them. Can you ask them again? Can you hit up Phil Knight and be like, hey, man, we're still pissed. We're still funny. Yeah, let me tell you something. We still have the sweatshirts and pillows. They still fit. Hey, man, those guys are evergreen. I wanted to go on the 50th before I got the flu as Hans and Franz.

And I just, it would have been awesome. Oh, you were so missed. Great. Yeah. You were so, so fully loaded, but thank you, Taryn. I thought you, no, dude. I mean, you are, you are a legend. And yeah, so that it was felt, it was felt. It certainly was. Did I host the show when you were there and you did a Harrison Ford at read through, which kind of impressed me. Yeah. Yeah. I go, who is this? Who is this kid?

We got it on. We got it on. You did host and I got to be in a church lady, which was a highlight for me. And as Ted Cruz, less of a highlight for me. But then I got Harrison Ford on and I'm such I'm a really big Star Wars nerd.

J.J. Abrams reached out and he was editing the first new Star Wars, like the one that they brought back. And he said, hey, will you do me a favor? I need a line of dialogue off camera from Harrison. Oh, my God. And I can't get him for two months. So we just want it for the real so that doesn't take you out of it. It's like a special effects thing. Will you do it? Get it off my plate.

you take care of truly you get to the falcon and like you got it and he used he said he used it up to literally the final mix wow and harrison went who the fuck is this my house uh get out of my house he's the coolest man he's the freaking he is the movie he goes get off my plane then he goes get out of my ship

And he goes, leave my coffee shop. Give me back my whip. Stop sharing my parachute. Don't even share my password. Stop being a working girl. That was a good one. Oh, you were a whore and milk money. Yeah. Why stop being such a witness? Can I get a witness? And of course, the iconic Chewie, get me out of here.

Chewie, Chewie, take care of Chewie. Chewie, your fleas are getting on me. But you were great, Danny. You were a great host. And Spade, you've always been so kind to me. Thank you. The first time we met was like the day that

the sand man. And I, I, I haven't earned saying that, but I like to say it cause that's what everybody calls it. Um, on a grownups too, we came out for a day. Oh, with the, with the carwash, the carwash scene. One of the best scenes. That was such a fun day. And you were so nice to all of us. And, and Schneider was sitting that one out. You were sort of filling us in on why. And, um, he was sitting grownups too out. He sat that one out. Um, and,

And then, and then I don't know if you remember this, David, but at the 40th, you were in the end of the Californian sketch. And it was Saturday rehearsal and you and I got to talking and you and I walked up to like the rainbow room to the party together.

And you were telling me like beat for beat the Eddie Murphy exchange. Oh yeah. And you're telling me that and you're like, yeah. And I, you know, it was stressful and, and, and we're sitting at top of the rock. I don't know if you remember this, but I, I couldn't believe it. It was like, we live in a scenario. Uh, we live in, um, like we live in, in, in like a matrix, like made up. Yeah. Um,

You're telling me basically the end of the story. Eddie came and he walks in with Brett Ratner. He walks in over your shoulder and made a beeline for you and shook your hand. You were so gracious to each other. It was such a cool moment.

that like clearly you made peace and it was all good but I couldn't believe it I was like I'm watching yeah like the made for TV movie I love it simulation I saw this one too and he was nice again so yeah I'm sure he's annoyed by that story it's so dumb but it's kind of a good little juicy one even though it's too far back is it done now is it really done or is it still 100% done it still came up like a few months ago don't be surprised if you see the two of us in the space

spaceship going somewhere. Yeah. Flying in the rocket together. It was so cool in that moment, like at the 40th, like he, like you were the first person he walked up to and shook your hand. He was so cool. And it felt good. And it was like, Oh, Brett Ratner's here too.

You got excited about Brett Ratio. Not quite as excited, but you know. Tell me everything about Rush Hour! Oh yeah, Rush Hour. God, he had it made, Rush Hour. Rush Hour, he's got Back End. Chris Tucker to stand up. I just saw Chris Tucker was going to be like Yama Va or something in Palm Springs. I'm like,

I would love to watch Chris Tucker do stand-up. I don't even know what his stand-up is like. Let's have him on this podcast because he's interesting. I would love that. He did three Jackie Chan movies, 20 million each for the last two. And then he's been a little mysterious in his own lane. But then he came out recently and is doing something. Kind of an interesting move to turn down 20 million for something, for literally anything. Yeah.

And then my OnlyFans, when it hit 20, I thought I'd stop, but I'm addicted. Now you just do it for the passion. No, I just do it. Oh, you know who's on? Amanda Bynes. You know Amanda Bynes? I was on the Amanda show back in the day. I know, that was a trick question. I'm only telling you this because she announced it yesterday, but she said,

which is smart up front. It's not going to be sleazy stuff. Sure. It'll be my day and stuff like that, which is still interesting because she's very interesting, but it's 50. So I did a little stutter step. Yeah. Is that a lot? Or I don't know. Only fan. I would say that seems high. Now you wonder why they're all making $20 million. I don't know how, but it must be a volume thing. But, uh, Oh yeah. Amanda, uh,

You worked with Wayne. How old were you guys then? Yeah, it was my first job literally the last week of high school. I got cast on her show. And so we worked together for like three weeks then. And then I went away to college and I didn't have an agent anymore. I was focused on school and they called me back to do more. And they helped me get an agent. Being on The Amanda Show kind of started my grown-up acting career.

um and we were friends and then we did a movie together big fat liar um and she was the best she was it was a very important relationship to me in my life and and yeah she's she's i was she like how old were you when you started what's the manda show is she like 11 or like really young she's she's 14 15 when she when she was and then she got movies and that was one of the movies she did where like she's the man was one of course i remember is that what's called she's the man

The soccer one? Yes. Yeah, exactly. Channing Tatum. Hilarious. And I always thought she's so great. She's one of the most talented people. I think she's one of those people everyone pulls for, like Britney. Yeah. It's a very tough world out here in showbiz, whatever it is.

ever level and they are at they were at a high level and uh yeah she seems like that age too like to be at a full like lucille ball carol burnett dynamic and and and had the good you know she's truly one of the best right and she's good at it good at it funny very cute uh yeah and it's just such a weird world out here that we're and when they're young you're right you just don't know ariana shit they deal with timberlake

Yeah. Oh yeah. Just talent. Well, I was going to ask you because you think, okay, high school senior. And then you go do that. Like in the, in the sort of neurosis, fear, paranoia, whatever, how are you mentally navigating show business? Like, were you super scared getting on SNL or you'd done so much that you maybe were more confident? I'm just curious. Yeah. Like I, I started auditioning very young, um,

Like, I think I was five years old when I did my first commercial audition and fortunately was not successful at all. I'm Terrence. I love milkshakes. Yeah. Your mom took you here. Four, six. Sleight, please. Buckwold and Associates. That was Buckwold. Is that really what it was? Yeah. Sudden Barth and Benary.

But, but so like was always adjacent and enough exposure, but, but without any of the trappings of success, thank goodness. And then all the hassle, no worry about 20 million. Yeah. And then in high school, I went to the performing arts high school here in LA locks up. And so started doing theater and really loved musical theater in particular and was going to college for musical theater for

And then in that sort of like reconnection with the Amanda show and getting representation, I started auditioning again and on a fluke got mad TV when I was 19. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Like, like just like doing lots of impressions of WB stars and stuff like that. And then my characters were just impressions of my teachers that I didn't like. Who's on with you that we would know right around then?

I was there for Sasso's last year and, and, and board Alex Borstein. And then I was with Mo Collins and Michael McDonald and Stephanie Weir, Andrew Daly already had already had come and gone already. I was like the seventh season. So I was like kind of deeper, deeper in, um, and it was just in way over my head and like, what is this? And sketch God, I I'm a, I'm a theater actor and then loved it so much. And so many of the people, uh,

particularly on the writing side that I love, like Michael Hitchcock and Jennifer Joyce were Groundlings people. So I left MADtv and started taking classes at Groundlings and kind of then had my eye on the prize for SNL. And did that help you knowing a little bit about it? Was it similar? Yes.

SNL and Mad TV in that they're like, yeah, just in that they're sketch comedy shows. But I think, you know, where Mad TV probably had a lot more chefs at the top level, SNL has Lorne, you know, and I think that that's probably the biggest difference of all. He's got an aura. I just have to back up for a second. So you're going to high school. You tell your parents, well, yeah, I'm going to go to high school and you were living in Big Bear, right?

That's right. Okay, great. Where do you want to go? I want to go to a performing arts high school and I want to pursue musical theater. And you knew this at 17, 18. And they went, yeah, I mean. And they were in support of it. No, if anything, my mom was encouraging of it. She kind of, you know, her great uncle was Robert Stack. Robert Stack. And her cousin David Bow was an actor. Robert Stack. So she knew the...

On February 27th, Yamaha Studios, Chris Tucker turns down $20 million. No one knows why. Yamaha Studios. But I love anyone who does an impression not well and just says the name. I'm Robert Stack. You kind of hypnotize people. I guess it's good. Why are we saying it like that? That was Will Forte. I'm Robert Stack. He did that in his audition. One of his audition moments for SNL was,

Hello, I'm Martin Sheen. And if I don't sound like myself, it's because I have a cold. But if you do think I sound like him, great. And that was the whole bit. Well, that's Will Forte has his own lane at SNL. He's got his own potato chip sketch. He was surprised how big a fan I was of.

of that sketch where him and Sudeikis go shithouse over a bowl of potato chips and just full tilt commitment to drama and crying because he thought he took one of his potato chips. It's just Bill Ford. The best perk of the job is going on the server and seeing like cut for time sketches. And he had a sketch called finders keepers. It was a season finale and Alec Baldwin was the host and Baldwin is coming back from the beach. And he's like, where,

where's my car? I just parked my car here. And, and Forte has a metal detector at the beach and he's sitting on the hood of his car that's covered in sand. And he's like, sorry, buddy, finders keepers. And Alec goes, what are you talking about? That's my car. Get off the hood. And,

I think there's three lines of dialogue in the full exchange. And then Forte launches into a full song called Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers, It's the Law of the Beach. And the whole sketch is just this song explaining the rules of Finders Keepers at the beach. And it brings me so much joy. And it plays to silence?

It was pretty quiet, I think. Thank goodness. The nice thing about a musical sketch is the music's playing. Yeah, it seems loud, like things are happening. There's some decibels being achieved. Some decibels happening, yeah. How sickening when it doesn't work. The worst is when you go in there like, that's for a shortcut, but you still walk in the room like this. Huh?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1% hopeful. It's on the right. Do they think it was so funny that no one laughed? They should do a short film of people coming in because now they're back in the Lawrence office and they glance over and you can tell by their attitude that their sketch is to the right. They should have a camera in the wall, Dana. Yeah. When we walked in,

And my first time they opened Lauren's, I don't know how they do it now, but we wait outside. It's so thirsty and gross. And I had my Yakov Smirnoff outfit on my first, my first update. And Dennis was in there for some reason, Dennis was in there and they opened the door and I see like down and I'm all pouring out. And Dennis puts his hand to me. He goes,

you can take off the beard, spud. And I was like, what? And I walk in there. It's moved over. Oh, is that helpful? Is that a nice thing? No, I would have found out in three more seconds. You, you can lose the facial hair at this point. Just no one connecting eyes tells you something. Good.

I never housed more handfuls of popcorn than with a cut sketch. And small talk. So who's the host next week? Yeah, exactly. Act like you're not hurt and kind of clap for the sketches. Great. Yeah, part of the process. Not personal. Part of the process. Wayne's World cold open stayed in.

Oh, good, good, good. No, I wanted to see it again. Good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Yeah, I got cocky. If my stuff was cut, I'd just walk slowly over to Lorne, get right up in his schnoz and go, seriously, dude? I don't think so. Come on, man. Let's move it back over. Worst mistake.

You know, that reminds me when I tried to get a manager, reminds me of that scenario. And I got Gervitz. But back then, Dana, we have the same manager. My goodness. And back then, it was between him and someone else. And he goes, do the right thing. Just call him. You know, it's always do the right thing. By the way, I never want to do the right thing again because the right thing never is like the fun thing. And he goes, no.

I wish I could have texted him. But now he goes, just call him. He's a big boy. You know, just, hey, it went another way because you never know. You know, I said, hey, man, you know, it didn't work out. I want to try this other guy who knows he might suck. And, you know, the guy goes, you just made the worst fucking mistake of your life. And I was like, God dang. And that scarred me forever. I was not ready for it.

And I was new in showbiz going, I don't want to make any enemies. He goes, he's a big boy. He was not a big boy. He's a small boy. I still feel guilty about that reaction. That manager was Dana. It was, it was, those breakups are hard. I had one of those too. And I got, what I got was like,

Well, yeah. Hey, you know, like, like, I'm like, I had to break up with someone I'd been with. And he's like, you know, listen, people get jobs and they like to move on and shake it up. And some people stay loyal. And that's OK that you didn't want to go through that. And then they throw in. We just had a kid.

I have children to feed. Am I going to be here? Have you seen a picture of my baby? That's my responsibility. And my house. Here's my child. Yeah. Yeah. And here's my chart from my doctor. I'm going to put them on.

Ooh, you're a kid? Yeah, tell him. You tell him. I can't break his heart. Hello, Mr. Spade. I love you. Oh, thank you. Listen, I'm out. Never miss an episode of Lights Out. I would just say... Oh, you like Lights Out? That's nice. Everyone loves Lights Out, but I said never name a show that makes it easy to cancel. Hey, Lights Out. Sure. Lights Out for good. We want to do a show that's like seventh season.

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Are there versions that have worked of like a negative sounding title that's been successful? No, Dana's positive. Deadwood?

Deadwood is good. There should be one called Dead on Arrival. That's a good one to critique. DOA, yeah, yeah. DOA got resuscitated. Dana's got Critic's Choice. Critic's Choice, my special from the 90s. I just called it Critic's Choice. There was no online, nothing. And so my sister would call me and be in the TV guide or wherever. You got Critic's Choice again, man.

That's awesome. Critics' choice, four stars. Me and my siblings know the Ross Perot scat, like, can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish? That's funny. Can I get a tuna fish? One time. If you want to make it, I distilled it to Ross Perot's James Brown. Can I come in on the one?

Can I come in on the one? Can I come in on the one? Yeah, it is just a song. But, you know, to that, one of my favorite impressions all time is your Matthew McConaughey.

And I felt the first time he saw it, then the sec, I saw it a second time. And then you were so less in the, well, because it's, it's praise from Caesar. Sorry. No, it's better than even a great impression. It's like a character. It's an extrapolation.

into a character and you had so many hooks and i wish we could just play it right now because oh thanks don't don't you get reaction to that i don't i haven't seen anyone people people like that yeah people like that one a lot that that came out of because everybody has a mcconaughey like it's pretty you're probably not like yours you you kind of you own it i i mean it was it was watching true detective i was obsessed with that first season of true detective and he was so indulgent out there

in the stars, celestial, bing bang, shoot ground. What do we do when we're cosmic light? You know, it's just like him just like riffing on. That's a good different one. Yeah, he has all these hippie references and all these little sound effects and stuff. Yes. And when he won the Oscar maybe for Dallas Buyers or whatever, he's like, talking out there to my wolf pack.

yeah hunting groups of us primal getting the meat roasting on the spit on the fire but there's plenty of spots for people to come around what are you saying what are you saying um it's fun but it but like it he's always so positive too i always like doing like like positive energy ones because like i i would struggle if it was a criticism you know or if you were like no it's if it was a takedown

It's a little bit harder. And that was so fun because he was just being full, uncut, authentic McConaughey. And I remember writing that one. That's one that like, you know, you sat down for 30 minutes and improvised 50 different wild lines and like people responded to it and then spent six hours and didn't go home and slept on the floor for my rape stomping sketch or whatever. And of course, that tank's at the table. Yeah, I heard about that. Bombing.

It was a bad one. It was infamous. It got out here. I was terrible at pitching too. I was really bad at the pitch.

And I actually did, um, because I have like a small role in 12 years of slave, which doesn't make sense. I remember you pop up in that movie. I remember that. It was like, Hey, did you add it? All right. What are we doing here? We're stealing Liberty. We're in traffic, people regressing, making America great again. Um, no, but I, so I did a bit for almost an entire season where I would start to pitch the host on an idea. I was like, well, you know, uh,

I know you're in a movie with a plane, so that's great. And I thought we could play pilots because, you know, when I was in 12 Years a Slave, what I found about the process that was most rewarding and then I'd go really indulgent and it got some chuckles at first and then it was terrible. And then Brian Tucker had to tell me, he's like, don't do that anymore. Don't do that. Lauren has said something. Don't do that anymore. Why is he doing it? It's funny. I mean, it's like, yeah, I don't understand all that. That place could be a little weird. It made Chrissy Teigen uncomfortable.

By the way, when you did Ted Cruz, I don't think I was hosting that time. I think I...

I was doing Fallon. And then Lauren said, and you'll do church lady. You know, he tells you it's a Thursday. I thought I, I thought I was flying tomorrow. You'll be in the outfit. You'll wear the church lady wig. You wear the dress. You'll wear it on the flight. You'll do clever put downs. And Lauren, I know how to do it. But then the interesting thing about that was that Daryl came on and did the Trump that we all knew before the new Trump. Yeah.

Which was great. I love. And Daryl was Trump, looked like Trump, incredible Trump. But then Trump in 2016 just came in with all these different hooks, you know, and all the stuff we see today. And so that's why he didn't he sort of felt bad. What was Daryl's like Trump? Well, it was old. It was Trump from the 90s. You know, it was just very it was none of the.

we're gonna do this shit all these different hoaxes we're gonna do it we're gonna do the bragging you know it was all kind of new uh yeah my favorite daryl one was the domino's pizza commercial he would do this commercial one yeah like here's what we're gonna do i'm gonna tell you a thing and they say oh mr trump can you focus the camera i think i'm gonna focus the camera i think that was a good idea that i had like it was all that bluster and james which i just i just like

I think James Austin Johnson is just a full genius. Like it's a, I would watch his videos before he was hired. He was talking about Scooby-Doo and stuff. I would say for people might get the reference. He's the Miles Davis of that impression. It's better than an impression. It's got so many, it's like jazz.

You're missing all the hooks. But Daryl's- We did a charity event together where he did karaoke as Trump and is just freestyling in between verse. And it's amazing. He's good at improv as Trump. He's so good. Very hard to do. Yeah. You can give him any TV show from the seven. When he was on our podcast live in Texas, he was-

He just any any the Brady Bunch. And then he's right on Trump. He knows that so well. Peter Brady, Peter Brady likes to criticize himself. He's doing it to get friends. I don't need to do that. No one wants to criticize Trump. But Daryl's feelings were hurt because they went with Alec Baldwin. But I said, that's just a totally different idea and choice.

Um, and it, so it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a competitive thing. It's just like, that was just, you know, I think. But what a weird thing. Start off with a cast member or start off with a big star. I think that's what Lauren finally was like that a cold opening with a big star guaranteed. That's not the host is helps. Yeah. Yeah. Is it fair? We don't know.

But it helps. Well, did that start? Because I just went and did Biden. And before I did it, I made sure it was Steve Hoog. And this, I swear to God, I would have backed out. I said, does anyone want to do Biden on the cast? And be honest with me, because Mikey Day was doing whatever. And he said, no, no one wants to do it. Trust me. So then I did it. But this...

The thing of like, you know, older cast members and movie stars coming in. Did you have some of that? When did that start? It's gone beyond a launching platform. It's now an institution. And you have to maintain an institution. And there's a quality to that. I can have Bob Lilfe do the state attorney general, or I can have like Matt Damon do...

Listen, I mean, there's so much to speak to the brilliance of Lorne. Having just celebrated the 50th, which was like such a joyful weekend other than your absence. That was probably the biggest blemish of all. Hey man, I'll just say it. I'm just going to say it. 60th. That's all I'm going to say. You already booked hotels, booked tickets. Yeah.

We'll use filters. Your neck will be taped back. You have to use real glass. That's the truth. But yeah, I maintain, just to start the conversation, that no one else could have done what Lorne's done. And there were so many episodes of Saturday Night Live, Intrigue, or whatever, where the masters in charge basically would say, you got to do an hour. You got to pre-tape it. You got to change the theme. So Lorne stayed with the brand, but also was...

very flexible with the brand, you know, that as it changed, the culture changed. So go ahead. What were you going to say? No, I, I completely agree with that. I think that's right. And I, I think that, um, one of the many aspects of his, of his, uh, insightfulness as a producer is, um, you know, you've got to get people talking about you and, and if they're not talking about it, then, then it's, it's wasted air a little bit, you know what I mean? So I think like,

A Baldwin hire gets people talking about it, gets eyeballs. Now you get it.

Yeah. Too late. Way too late. We were in the analog stage, early analog, that it was just a small bulletin board with a few letters on it. And now it's blasted on YouTube. So yeah, the paradigm shifted will revolve with the moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, something I love about your podcast and any sort of like SNL focused podcast is it's this free therapy to be like, was I a weirdo? Was I? Okay. No, there's at least five more people that had a similar feeling or experience and

And then, and then also inversely like, Oh no, I was probably a weirdo about that aspect of the show. Um, but the, I'm really enjoying the lonely Island, Seth Meyers podcast too, because I, I, for the same reason, but I also feel that those guys, the lonely Island will never get as much credit as they really deserve for, for adapting the format for a new generation. Right. Yeah. That's probably the biggest change speaking to what you were talking about, Dana of like,

you know, maintaining quality, maintaining its brand identity. And yet now there are four guaranteed pre-tapes per episode. There's a full studio. And they'll get the host. We'll do a pre-tapes on all day Friday, Friday,

get them up at 6 a.m. and do a whole pre-tape all day. It is hard. For one sketch. But so that is, yeah, and Andy and his- Lazy Sunday was the beginning of going, wait, what is this? And then, and you realize right away, oh my God, this is what, plus he's a good looking dude. Everything hit. It was like cool, good looking, video. Then people start watching it. You're like, they're watching it? Where? Like that was beginning of YouTube. I think-

Yeah. No, I think you're exactly right. In terms of like an injection of relevancy, no one has had a more direct effect on the show in the last 30 years. It tilted the show. I got to get to know Andy better just doing the, uh, it was like a Pete, you know, you need a good looking dude in there that,

The younger people kind of go, oh, why would I watch SNL? Oh, okay. Yeah. They need a reason. I got a question for you. It's just really smart. I do love musical. I would love to be in one. I just do love when Andy's, even the stuff he did recently, not even the stuff he did recently was fantastic. And it is something fun. Were you in one of those pre-tape? The anxiety video is so smart and he did it for the 40th. It was great too. The breaking video about, about people who break.

They're incredibly smart and joyful. I love those guys. I respect them so much. And I got to, I think like my first week, it was like, I'm going to be in a digital short. I have made it. I have arrived. And I had like one off-camera line in a video called Boogerman. There you go. That's SNL. You know? I was like, okay, all right. They're not all lazy Sundairs. I'd read for Boogerman.

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Two years ago. And when you left the show, what is the way you get information? Is it direct from Lauren? Is it?

Is it an agent calls an agent or business affairs? How does it work? Yeah. My manager at the time called me, but they were, they were doing the Marty and Maya show during the summer. And I was directing a film that summer. So I was in Canada and I, I was wisely or unwisely like ready to move back to LA, ready to be with my family, ready to kind of be done with the schedule of the show.

Um, and I, and I think probably have made it known, not always in the most gracious of ways. Um, and they asked for like an extension that summer, they said, Hey, we need more time. We're producing Marty. My, my, before we made our decisions and I pushed back, I said like, no, tell me now, or let's be done.

And through people, it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They're doing it for everybody. They're doing it. And and so we said, OK, with some caveats of other jobs and like clearing my post schedule for editing the film and blah, blah, blah. And they so we said, OK, two week extension and then three weeks goes by and you don't hear anything. And then and then like in the fourth week, my manager calls and goes like, I think I've got good news.

And they've decided not to pick up your contract. That's how it was phrased to me. I mean, at least you're ready to go and you're not totally blindsided. Like moving back to, like I would move home every summer back to LA, lose the apartment, everything. Cause they just would not tell you. And they wouldn't say of course, but it's a technicality. They were like, we have no idea. And they wouldn't, you know, encourage you to say no.

You're coming back. Just let us, you know, so go. But that is a weird process because Dana, I mean, I don't think Dana had this exactly, but they still has rose petals stuck to the bottom of my God. Once the bitch came out, you know, it anchors the show. I mean, you know, but anyway, I just wanted to say that, um,

We've talked to people recently who just auditioned two or three times. And these are great comedians to get on SNL and really feeling such regret that either they pushed at their audition. And so then when you look at you with a baby and a movie and you'd already you're already in the Hall of Fame. I'm in my money, six seasons, you know.

So it was just odd because you probably would have maybe, maybe done one more or not, but it sounds like six is a good run on the fence. And so,

Six was enough for me. I mean, everything you just said, Dana, means a lot to me. And I'm very grateful to you for saying it. I've done the work. I've made peace. And I've also really been able to take more responsibility for my participation in that I got what I asked for, quite honestly. And it's not fair of me to go like, yeah, but I didn't want it in that way.

No, because the truth is if it's between like two cast members and they're like, you know, this would kill the one guy and you have one foot out the door. They're like, I think he'd be fine with it. Yeah. And we just move on. It makes it easier. I do think, I think so. There is sort of, well, it's a very, it's such a bizarre, uh, psychosocial dynamic just for every reason. And Lauren's,

said that part of his aloofness was to protect himself, you know, because everyone would want to go in and what about this and that and so forth and so on. So, but I, I just see it run as a total success, obviously. I mean, it's like, I don't even, I mean, how many people really got on there really landed and had reoccurring characters. And it's hard. Do you, do you take, you know, I would imagine kind of happened with me where you're so burned out, but after a month or two, when the show's back on,

You get your legs back and you're like, it would be fun to go in. But you also, you realize, don't think like that because it's a day-to-day new host. What are you writing? What do you got? If you could pick and choose when you came on,

That's different. Sure. But man, every week is just such a stressful. Well, I would put this in the ether because you were just there. And I think you should come on and do Matthew McConaughey for, for a reason that he, you know, whatever, let off a firecracker or something.

you know, I think that, I mean, I, I being back for the 50th was, was truly like healing and joyful. Like it was, it was really positive. And I, I have to assume almost everyone like me went in with your defenses up, like your Duke's up a little bit. And from word one, it was just like appreciation and reflection and gratitude and, you know, swapping stories. Um,

And then Mulaney put me in his musical piece for one line, which I was not expecting. And that felt lovely and great. What was the costume? Yeah, yeah. It was Pizza Rat. Were you Pizza Rat? That's great. I was Pizza Rat, man. We were there. That's history now, man.

I think, you know, Halloween is pizza rat one year. Spade had, and I've heard multiple people say this now, and it was true from the first blocking rehearsal. Spade had the laugh of the entire show. Oh, I love you saying that. Well, we've heard this. And that's people. It's factual. It is factual because I was in that sketch. So I watched it when we're like rehearsing downstairs, not even for cameras. And I got a feel for it.

Everybody laughs. We do it in front of camera. I've got it. Every crew member laughs. And that's always the best indicator. If something's going to work of America, they've just seen it all. And there's so, yeah. And every, there was not a time you delivered that line that it did not get a full voice laugh from everybody in the room. It was awesome. I watched it. I watched the show live. And I remember, uh,

how funny that was. And then I didn't know if Melanie could quite hear it, but there was this other secondary laugh that's on the soundtrack, you know, the arms is cause it's, it's so dry and weird and quirky and so unexpected because the musical is so effusive. And there's one guy, which is, and it goes on forever. We got, uh,

We got it. It's a 20 minute sketch. So many setups. Every part of the stage. So you're not the only one who said that. And writers, Higgins told us, all the writers, that was their favorite line of the whole 50s. So there you go, David. To even get a line, like you said, to even be in that sketch because you're in nothing when you land. And I said, Higgins, don't worry about me. I'm coming. I'm not. And then Mulaney goes, hey, Mulaney might want to throw you in something. I'm like, done.

whatever it is, same thing. So to get one that actually like that was super fun and to be weird enough to go in the audience. Yeah. But also so tailor-made, like there isn't a cast member past, present, future. That was perfect. That could have landed it as good as you, like it was tailored to the point where people ask me after the fact, like I'm telling you in my own life, they're like, so what happened? Did he actually leave like directly?

in rehearsal and they came up with it. I was like, no, no. That was by design from the outset. It's his specialty that, you know, not pushing. It's very lucky to have something like that where it would fit me because, uh,

You know, also the pressure of going one line, they go, and Wally goes, you need a cue card for this? And he's like rolling his eyes. I go, I guess I don't. He's like, you don't. And I'm like, all right, I don't. And to over dissect it, like it's true to your voice. No, this is what we do professionally, but it's true to your voice. It also...

It also breaks the fourth wall. So it speaks to it being live. It also speaks to the generate. We're celebrating the generations and like, this is your thing. This is different from my time. Like it just was like perfectly constructed and layered and always got the biggest lap. I love it. There you go. That's a pretty, pretty nice feather in your cap. It's only the 50th because that's the best. Yeah, it is in the end of the day, you know, it just,

When we look back on our time there, you know, we never, ever want to do a military analogy. It's like being in the Marines. Forget that. But it is some kind of esprit de corps because you can get humiliated on that show. You can crush. You can get any kind of emotion you can imagine. And it's hard to get on. And everyone wants to be on it in the comedy world. And so I think I'm sure that was the vibe of the 50 is like anyone who did it.

and did it well. It's just respect. You know, I think the 50th for us, the camaraderie is more akin to like, we were in the blue origin together. The space thing that just went up. We've been in space for 12 minutes. That's, that's how tight we were. The bond. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So it's not the army. We were all Katy Perry that night. Yeah. We were all Katy Perry. The stress, the ups, the downs. You have to buckle. Yeah. You have to unbuckle. Hmm.

We had the training. Well, thank you, buddy. Thank you. Nice chatting. Had a great time. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Hey, are they going to pick up that animated pilot we did together or what? Oh yeah. Tara and I did. What was it called?

We were in a booth somewhere doing this animated thing and I guess it just didn't go, but it was fun. Not the Tina Fey one, is it? No, no. It goes back before that. You were like an evil billionaire. I was an evil billionaire. Yeah. Yeah. It was pressure. There's so much. I was hoping that's what this was about, was you telling me we got the pickup. The pickup?

Yeah. But this has been great too. Yeah. Just one last thing. You're going to be in a show on ABC for the second season. I mean, there's so much show business. Obviously, understatement of the year. But yeah, everybody works. Everyone's doing an animated thing or whatever thing. And no one knows what anyone's doing unless it's some massive, gigantic whatever. Totally. Totally. Yeah, no. High potential ABC. Oh, high potential. Okay. And you got to do spam a lot, fucker.

Yeah, dude. Dude, that was the best.

well and eric was there eric was there and like when he first started rehearsing they're like well he may not be around much and stuff and then we do like a first dress rehearsal and he's backstage he's like i think we can beat that joke i'm like okay okay python yeah just to be anything anything you want and you are perfect for that you are you are you that is your lane you can do that whenever you feel like it musical broadway yeah it was a beautiful marriage of like

it like, I don't, I think the first movie I ever quoted, you know, was, was, was Holy Grail. And yeah,

Yeah. It's only a flesh wound. Yes. Nearly a flesh wound. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was that live at Bryant? Come back here and bite your legs off. That's only a grail. Yeah. Oh, great. And then, yeah, having started wanting to pursue musical theater, it was really like this perfect marriage. All right. Well. In New York. You're still incredibly young, so you're going to have to do this for a long, long time. But. Great.

Great. David, do you have a final joke? No, I appreciate talking to him and I had a good time today. Yeah, I admire you both. I respect you so much. I've been a fan my whole life. Thank you. Rubbed elbows is a great honor too. Dana, we should be playing the Good Nights music right now. Yeah, let's hug. Zoom hug.

Special thank you to Dave Spade, Dana Carvey, Tony McCartney. All right. See you, bud. Peace out. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe, leave a like, a review, all this stuff. Smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts. Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.