Dr. Bernardo Huberman was always interested in ideas and philosophy, even though he didn't initially understand much. His interest in physics grew because he saw it as a way to understand the universe's abstract concepts. He read extensively on quantum mechanics and relativity, which later guided his career in theoretical and experimental physics.
Dr. Huberman attended a very strict Jesuit school in Argentina where he learned Latin, Greek, and a lot of history. The school had a humanistic approach, and he was required to memorize and recite long poems. Despite the strict discipline, he enjoyed the rigorous education and found it useful in his career.
Dr. Huberman chose to study physics in the United States because he saw the country as a place where he could pursue his curiosity and work on novel problems. He was interested in the American approach to science, which focused on solving concrete problems, unlike the more abstract focus in Argentina.
During the dictatorship in Argentina, Dr. Huberman experienced an oppressive regime where he had to be careful about what he said, especially to non-family members. His grandfather was wrongly classified as a communist and denied a visa to the United States. This political environment made him cautious and influenced his decision to leave for the U.S.
Dr. Huberman found his graduate school experience in the U.S. to be incredibly hard, especially the first year. He was initially isolated and had a conflict with his advisor, who wanted him to stay in a traditional physics path. Despite the challenges, he adapted and learned practical skills, eventually publishing several papers on tachyons and other topics.
Chaos theory explains why small changes in initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes, which can be applied to understanding the unpredictability of life. Fractals, with their self-similar patterns, help us see order in seemingly random structures, reflecting the idea that order and randomness coexist in the world.
Dr. Huberman decided to switch to computer science because he saw the potential of computers to revolutionize the way we think and solve problems. He was influenced by his colleagues' interest in economics and libertarian ideas, and he started applying his knowledge of physics to computer networks and the internet, leading to innovative research and patents.
Dr. Huberman is working on quantum internet, which uses quantum mechanics to create unbreakable codes. Quantum internet relies on the principle of entanglement, where quantum bits (qubits) cannot be intercepted without being destroyed. This technology is crucial for secure communications and is being actively developed by various countries, including China.
Dr. Huberman finds joy in both high-level scientific concepts and everyday activities. He enjoys walking, biking, and savoring good meals, which he believes are essential for a balanced and joyful life. He emphasizes the importance of being present and not letting the pursuit of knowledge overshadow the simple pleasures.
Dr. Huberman started meditating to manage anxiety and the stress of daily life. Meditation helps him stay calm, be present, and enjoy the moment. He finds it to be a source of satisfaction and believes it has improved his overall well-being, including his breathing and stress levels.
Dr. Huberman has a nuanced view of religion and spirituality. While he doesn't believe in a God that keeps track of human actions, he recognizes the importance of spiritual experiences and the sense of an organizing principle in the universe. He finds profound emotional resonance in classical music and nature, which he equates to a form of spirituality.
Dr. Huberman doesn't plan to retire because he enjoys his work and finds it intellectually stimulating. He believes that as long as he is happy and his mind is active, he will continue working. Retirement to him seems like a mundane concept, and he prefers to stay engaged in meaningful activities.
Dr. Huberman advocates for elegance and balance in life. He believes in enjoying the present and not worrying excessively about the future. He emphasizes the importance of rituals and the social aspects of work, which create a sense of order and predictability. He encourages his son to focus on the joy of the moment and not get too caught up in long-term planning.
In this episode, my guest is Dr. Bernardo Huberman, Ph.D., a research physicist, expert on quantum networks, and vice president of CableLabs’ Next-Gen Systems. We discuss his journey into science, beginning in South America, how a curiosity about physics led him to the United States, and how his hunger for studying novel problems guided him into fields like physics, computer science, biology, economics, and, most recently, quantum computing. He explains relativity theory, chaos theory, fractals, and quantum internet in terms anyone can understand.
We explore how curiosity has continually guided his decisions about what to study and how to live, and how researching hard, even abstract, problems can serve as a model for staying grounded and enjoying everyday life. We also discuss meditation, spirituality, and why continually asking questions about how the world is organized can bring about an immense and lasting sense of meaning and joy.
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00:00:00 Dr. Bernardo Huberman
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00:05:08 Early School, Science Interest, Argentina; Soccer
00:12:29 Physics, Childhood Teacher, Family
00:20:48 Music; Dictatorship; Humanistic Education
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00:30:40 US Graduate School
00:39:27 Counterculture, Peer Pressure; Graduation, Job Search
00:49:19 Xerox, Personal Computers; Risk-Takers, Tachyon
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00:57:33 Relativity Theory, Quantum Mechanics
01:05:53 Chaos Theory, Fractals, Butterfly Effect
01:17:21 Scientists, Positive Contributions & Flaws
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01:27:45 Enjoyment of Life, Meditation; Goal Pursuit
01:35:44 Changing Fields, Computers
01:43:24 Mentors, Students; Restlessness, Curiosity
01:47:41 Industry, Academia, Graduate Degrees
01:54:02 Podcast, Interviewing; Mistakes, Working with Others
02:05:48 Quantum Internet, Unbreakable Code
02:09:48 Physics & Neuroscience; AI
02:15:06 Analog vs. Digital Life, Thinking about Future
02:20:10 Worry, Meditation
02:24:22 Beliefs, God; Spiritual Experiences, Randomness
02:33:53 Thinking about Past; Nostalgia
02:39:19 Politically Incorrect; Libertarians; Cryogenics; Enjoying Life
02:46:30 Joyful; Pushing to Limits; Worry & Enjoyment, Living with Elegance
02:55:57 Etiquette, Clothing
03:04:11 Retirement, Money, Travel
03:12:00 Future Plans; Joyful Life
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