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Robert Macfarlane on the Lives and Rights of Rivers

2025/6/4
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Robert Macfarlane: 我认为河流是寻求大海的聚集，它不仅仅是单一的主河道，更像是一棵树，拥有根、分支和叶子，这些都构成了收集水分并将其导入河流的广阔流域。我们不应将河流仅仅视为资源，而应将其视为一种生命力，认识到我们的生活与河流的生活紧密相连。我开始思考“河流是活着的吗？”这个问题，它引导我进入一个广阔的哲学空间，同时也具有令人难以置信的世俗形式。 Alexis Madrigal: 长期以来，我们与非人类世界的关系一直是剥削性和片面的。我们需要认真对待河流的生命力这一想法，重新审视我们对河流的认知。Robert Macfarlane的新书以河流为主角重塑世界，引发我们对河流的新思考。例如，萨克拉门托之所以存在，是因为它位于美国河和萨克拉门托河的交汇处，这体现了河流对城市的重要性。

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The episode starts by defining what a river is, moving beyond the simplistic view of a singular main channel. It emphasizes the interconnectedness of a river system, comparing it to a tree with roots, branches, and leaves representing its watershed.
  • A river is defined as 'a gathering that seeks the sea'.
  • Rivers are not singular entities but complex systems with extensive watersheds.
  • The river's life extends beyond its main channel, encompassing its entire watershed.

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Celebrated nature writer Robert Macfarlane has written about mountains, trails, and the old ways of humans on Earth. His new book lays out its premise in the title: “Is a River Alive?” He seeks answers to the question in a cloud forest in Ecuador, a dying ecosystem in Chennai, and a powerful river in Canada. We talk to Macfarlane about what rights nature should have and we hear from you. Do you feel a living presence in wild spaces?

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Robert Macfarlane, nature writer; author, "Is a River Alive?"; Previous books include "Underland: A Deep Time Journey"

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