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A Mind-Bending Conversation with Peter Thiel

2025/6/26
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Peter Thiel: 我认为科技停滞的论点仍然成立，尽管并非绝对。从1750年到1970年，我们经历了加速变化，但之后速度减缓。虽然计算机、互联网和人工智能带来了一些进步，但不足以摆脱普遍的停滞感。我担心，如果我们找不到回到未来的方法，社会将会瓦解。中产阶级是那些期望他们的孩子比自己过得更好的人，当这种期望崩溃时，我们就不再有一个中产阶级社会。普通人最终不会接受停滞，他们可能会反抗。我们需要承担更多的风险，在生物科技等领域取得更多进展，例如在治疗老年痴呆症方面。我们应该尝试人工智能，因为替代方案是完全停滞。即使人工智能存在风险，它仍然胜过其他选择。我希望我们能够彻底解决这些问题，实现科技的进步。

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The billionaire Peter Thiel is unimpressed with our pace of innovation. In this episode, he critiques artificial intelligence, longevity science and space travel — and warns that our lack of progress could lead to catastrophic outcomes, including the emergence of the Antichrist.

  • 01:19 - What does stagnation mean in 2025?
  • 06:30 - Peter Thiel's case for more progress and innovation
  • 11:30 - Does taking more scientific risk include life extension?
  • 15:14 - Peter Thiel's political history
  • 18:34 - Did Trump live up to Thiel's expectations?
  • 25:10 - Does Elon Musk still want to go to Mars?
  • 28:09 - How Thiel defines A.I.
  • 33:20 - Is A.I. Too Modest An Ambition?
  • 35:23 - How will the human race evolve? Should it?
  • 41:53 - Thiel's critique of Silicon Valley
  • 43:40 - Who is the real Antichrist?

(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)

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