Friendship icks, secret single behaviors & the slow burn
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Whatever you love, find it on eBay. eBay, things people love. You know how I've kind of subtly bragged about how I just like don't get hung over. Like I can just drink and I'm fine the next day. I fear that that's not the case anymore. I'm growing old. Uh-oh. Have you ever gotten the ick from a friend? Yes. What are icks you've gotten from your friend? Or like what's your platonic ick? I love popping Pete's pimples, so. Oh, I saw the trend. Like then I go and spoil it all by saying, and then you were like, can I pop your pimple?

Welcome back to another episode of Mean Girl Pod. You're wearing the sweatshirt that I wanted to wear. Wait, did you notice what I just did? No, what'd you do? Smile? No, I frowned. Weird that I didn't call it out because no, I didn't see it. I was like, I'm not going to smile this time. I'm going to frown. No, I didn't even see it. Yay for the frown. Yay for the sweatshirt.

I'm just a girl. I love this color. This is like the prettiest colored sweatshirt that we own. If I do say so myself. Is it grape ice? What was the color of it? It's just like made. It's just like, yes. Yeah, it was like grace or grace. It was like grape spaceship or icicle or something that sounded really tasty. Yeah.

Yeah, I remember being like, I want to drink this. Speaking of drinking and colors, why don't you tell us about your beautiful monster? I know. I wish that my monster matched my sweatshirt today, but it doesn't because I had to go with something new. I'm back to the Ultra Sunrise Orange Monster, which literally tastes like a high C, which brings me back to when I was a kid and would drink like the high C's from McDonald's. It's so good.

Wow. And I love that it's orange. I love a high C. That's making, I'm so jealous of all your monsters. You really make drinking monster seem like an experience. And it's like 70 degrees today in New York City. So I felt like I had to bring out the sunshine flavored beverage because last week was winter practically and now it's 70 degrees. We're back in summer.

Your weather up there, like, I hate to talk about the weather, but, like, I was looking it up because I'm coming this weekend, obviously. And, like, I was ready to break out my jackets, and I'm just not really going to need them. Like, I'm going to lightly need one, but I don't need, like, my puffer. No, I think, honestly...

I feel like what used to happen in New York City was the weekdays were so beautiful and the weekends were cruddy and rainy. But this fall, every weekend has been stunning. Like last weekend was 65. The weekend before that was 70. I think the weekend you come is going to be in the 70s. It's perfect. Mm-hmm.

oh in the fall leaves like if i see one more photo and i'm not there i'm gonna cry like i cannot i like i like want to come a day early to make sure the leaves don't all fall off but before i get there the fall foliage that's right the foliage um are you i don't know the word foliage right now what day are you guys are you guys coming thursday to sunday or friday to sunday i forgot friday early friday we're on the early bird flight like 5 a.m or is this tate's first airplane

Oh yeah. It's her first airplane ride. And it's so funny. Cause like the, the 24 hour clock doesn't feel as real as it does. Like with this airport, because like, I think, I actually think our flight takes off maybe at six 55, but she eats at 4. So we're just going to feed and then leave. It's like, perfect.

Literally. Oh my God. Are you excited? Are you a little nervous to fly with her? I'm so excited because she's so cuddly that I just need to time her eating right and like get her back to bed and like she'll just sleep on me and it'll be like my dream come true. Oh my God. You have such a cuddly baby. I cannot wait to meet her. I get to meet her in a few days. I'm so excited.

Yeah, you'll have met her the day before this episode comes out. I know. And yeah, guys, if you're listening to this episode, the next week's episode, Alex and I will be recording together in person. IRL, baby. Live from New York City. What else are... Do you and Harrison have like any major plans for your first day or two in New York City? Like, what do you want to see? I feel like you haven't been here in, I don't know, like a year? Yeah.

Yeah, the plan is no plan because like she it were we're just like let's my only thing I must do is go walk around Central Park. I got to see those leaves. But other than that, we're just going to like get coffee and like chill because I don't want to set these expectations for myself because I'm still like tired and like up and you know, like very much enjoying that phase. So I just want to enjoy it up there. But

it's like a very relaxed no plans trip oh i'm excited i can't wait and i can't wait to see you and harrison and us four or five including um pete are gonna go get dinner and tate's coming right yeah she's the fifth that's the fifth little girl i can't wait to meet her oh my god i know i'm really excited for you to meet her she's she's a cute little little nugget um bundle of joy

Yeah, that's right. She'll just be at the table with us hanging out. Okay, what are your roses and thorns?

So my rose for this week is my best friend Madeline, who you know, got engaged. So that was super exciting because she's not my first friend to get engaged, but she is, I mean, she's like your Sydney, your nugget. So it was just so exciting because I've seen her and her boyfriend, their whole relationship grow. And I've just been there through all the milestones and I was so happy that they got engaged.

Whenever I saw it, I texted you, but what I, I just like didn't have the hands to keep texting you about this, but it's like, it's really fun for you because I know you've been on bachelorettes and things like that before, but this will be like different. Like I've had my best friends get married, but like this is different for you. Like this will feel so special. It literally will. And I think it's so much more special when you, um,

know the groom so well and also you have like known them since the beginning of the relationship because like a lot of people I'm meeting now they've already been dating their partner before I met them but with Madeline and her boyfriend I'm like I knew you guys when you were literally just seeing each other casually and in the talking stage and now I've seen you through it all and I'm just like I am so excited.

No, it's like special. Yeah, it feels... I can't say back to you what you just said because I can't say any better, but I'm very excited for you. And then I feel like her picking out her dress and all those special moments you'll be so looped in on. And so it's obviously the most fun for Madeline, obviously because she's the bride, but you're like her very best friend. So it's really special for you too. Oh my God, yeah. And I feel like 2025 is going to be the year of...

for me, not just like weddings, but like weddings, bachelorette parties, because my other really close friend, she just sent me her save the date for her wedding that's coming up. And I'm just like, now's my time. Now is the time that so many people have talked about how they've spent so many weekends at weddings. 2025 is that year for me.

It is. Okay. So I remember this year for me, I think we went to like seven or eight weddings in a year. It is, but it's so fun because you, you sit down, like you're flying there and then you're like, okay, it's you, you get dressed. Like it's so fun getting dressed. And then you go to the event. Like it's such a special year. Like your weekends are so full of fun.

And selfishly, I have Pete to like take along on the ride with me where, I don't know, I think it's so much more fun to go to weddings with a partner. Going to weddings single, I've been to, well, all of my past weddings single and it just wasn't as fun. And I can say going with Pete, it's just been more fun and I'm so much more excited to go to these weddings being like, I can bring a plus one.

you get a plus one, you travel like, cause you're going to fly to all of them. Like you, you travel to the weddings with someone, you get ready with someone, you know, you're seated by them at dinner. Like it really is. Unless it's either that or you go with like a girl group, you know? And like, though, I think those are the most fun ways to do weddings. I totally agree. Yeah. So, um, it was a very special weekend. Um,

But what's your rose before we get into thorns? My rose is coming to New York. I'm so excited. I can't wait. What about, so is the thing on the list not, is that your thorn? My thorn is the spider, yeah. I put it first because it's just... But picks, I'm so excited about, or I'm so curious to what that means.

Well, it was my one last week. It was like, we took the pics now, I got the pics back, but it's not, I'm not nearly as excited about that as I am for New York. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. And if there's one thing that Jordan and I have always talked about, it is the benefits that we both see from therapy because you guys-

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Yeah, they're cute. They're cute. And like, I love the, I like love the photos and I want to frame them and it's already the background on my phone, but like, I'm so ready to see these fall leaves. Oh my God. I feel like this might be the last weekend to, for the full fall foliage. So you're picking a good week. I think after maybe two weekends, two weeks, the trees will probably have shed, but right now it's still so beautiful. I'm, I'm very excited for you.

If my trip was in like two weeks, I would move it to tomorrow. Like I would come. So this is like, that's my favorite part of the year. Every year in New York is this time. So that's, what's your thorn? Oh, my thorn is I, you know how I've kind of subtly bragged about how I just like don't get hung over. Like I can just drink and I'm fine the next day.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I fear that that's not the case anymore. I'm growing old. What happened? So it was one of my good friends, her birthday last week. And I think I only had four, maybe five glasses. I had like four or five glasses of wine. But then I also had a shot. And the next day I was...

And the whole day Pete's like, this is a hangover, Jordan. Like you have a headache. You don't feel good. You want to lay in bed all day. This is a hangover. And I was like, no, I think I just can't. I can't drink hard liquor liquor anymore. My body rejects it. So you think it was the shot though? Like not the, not the wine. The shot did it to you. Of course it wasn't the wine. Wine is my friend. Yeah.

I, listen, I'm not excited about this for you because it would be amazing for you to go your whole life not having a hangover. And I hope this was a one-off. But I do think it's good for you to understand what everyone else is feeling. Yeah. I mean, I also will say not to make excuses.

But I'm a firm believer that alcohol affects us differently on our cycle. And I always think like right before I'm getting my period, I could have like two glasses of wine and fall over. But on my period or right after my period, I could drink like three bottles and be like, did I even drink? So just to put that out there. And are you on, were you on your cycle? Oh yes. I'm close to getting my period. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. All right. That, that could be an effect of it. I, but I'm with you on this, like wine and beer are safe place, but a hard, hard alcohol, like it, it's the sloshy head. It's the headache. It's the, it's hard to function. Yeah. How, how has your drinking been now that you're able to drink again? I feel like I would fall over after one drink.

It's also like so minimal Like the Like I had two margaritas One day I had three margaritas Over the span of like Seven hours And then other than that Like I just haven't been drinking that much Because It's like not Like I really like this phase of life And it's not nearly as fun To get up in the middle of the night When like If I didn't feel good So I don't even like want to Like feel that yet You know So I've really been enjoying like One or two glasses of wine If we go do something But

Other than that, like, yeah, I just, that's kind of a non-thought. Does that make sense? Like, is it hard to? I do. Because I saw you made a TikTok where you have to, like, test the milk. Yes. So what I learned there was, okay, because there's so many different things about this breast milk situation. But basically, I got these test strips.

Because I didn't know what to do. So, like, I didn't know if I could drink. And what I had read was, like, one drink, you wait two hours for it to get out of your system. But basically what I learned with that video, because, like, some registered nurses started commenting on it. And then I started, like, reading more. And then I, like, asked our night nurse. And then I, like, asked some friends. Basically, like, the number...

You can do the tester, but it can tell you, you also like I threw the breast milk out, which like I should have never done because it's like sacred. So I should have like bathed her in it. You could also like mix it with other like sober milks, but I'm just so paranoid about it that like, I'm not even gonna, I don't, I don't want to like risk it. So next time I would just like bathe her with it. But everyone's saying like, if you can, this is what they say. If you can find your baby, you can feed your baby.

So like if you're not so drunk that you're like passed out, but I'm like, I don't know. Like I'm just, that scares me. So I just am going to bathe her with it next time.

I don't blame you. I feel like there's so many like funny videos where they show moms with their first baby and their second baby. Like you're so careful with your first baby because it's what you're learning. And they always show like the second, third, fourth kid. They're just like, whatever. They can have any milk that I'm able to produce. Yeah, exactly. No, it's such a funny thing. And I don't feel like I'm paranoid about a lot of things. But with this one, I'm like, I don't know.

I just, I don't know if we have like enough. I just don't have enough info on it, but I'm also not. Yeah, it's fine. I have so much. I got so obsessed with my freezer supply that I've built it up. So now it's like I have so much excess milk. That's good. That's good. Um, what's your thorn with the spider? I'm so curious.

I know it's Texas and I know that this is a thing in Austin, but I hate cockroaches and I hate spiders and I hate bugs. Yeah. And there's a lot of flying cockroaches here. And I lifted up my makeup towel the other day and there was one. And like, when I tell you I did not sleep, I did not sleep. And it's like, I'm still paying for that night of sleep. And I...

I bombed the house. I called an exterminator. I got these traps. Like, I'm on it. But it is not... I made everyone leave the house for five hours, turned off the AC units, like, did the bombing, aired it out. I walled off Tate's room. I put all these, like, towels around it so nothing could get in there. But, like, I...

I hate a spider. It ruins two days for me. That's my thorn. How big was it? I mean, was it a spider or a cockroach? It was a cockroach. Well, actually, here's the problem. I saw it so fast and I flung it and then I couldn't find it that I can't actually confirm exactly what it was, but it was a bug.

I'm right there with you. I mean, I've unfortunately become a little immune to them living in New York because of how gross everything is. But if I see a bug, I freak out and it ruins my day. So I don't blame you. It ruins it. And like, I know they're not out to get me and like I'm bigger than they are. Yes, they are. I can't fathom it. I just think...

I don't know how to describe what I think is going to happen to me, but some people are afraid of heights, and I'm just afraid of bugs. Yeah.

Did you? I would rather stand on top of the Empire State Building and look down with no harness on any day of the week. Like, I'd be fine up there. I cannot handle these bugs. Did your mom or dad ever tell you when you were a kid or like your brother, just like friends, anyone who's trying to scare you that you eat or swallow eight bugs every night or eight spiders every night? Because that still haunts me to this day. I thought it was eight a year. I thought I heard it eight a night. Oh, yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Gosh. It's gross though. Yeah, I did hear it. I did hear it. And like, I can't handle it. I can't. There's no way. There's no way it's true. No. Julie's Googling it. Do not tell me the statistic. No, Julie. I can't. You cannot tell me. I won't sleep. Don't tell me. There's no way we know. I can't. Don't tell me.

If Julie ever wants to get back at you, all she has to do is plant. Like, oh my God, actually don't do this, Julie, because you might cause Alex a heart attack. But I've seen like those fake bugs that people buy and then they like set them in people's beds. And then they, I mean, people like lift up the mattress or their covers and it'll be like a fake tarantula just sitting there. I feel like that would actually give you a heart attack.

So then the nanny comes over. We have one now three days a week and she like comes over and I just look wrecked.

Like I look wrecked and she's like, what's wrong? I'm like, I just didn't sleep. Like I'm deathly afraid of cockroaches. She's like, I'm not, let me like go, like, let me go through the room. Cause I'm like, I didn't catch whatever it was. She's like, let me go through everything. And she's so sweet. So she goes through everything and she texts me and she's like, okay, I found a cockroach in one of the drawers and I tried to squash it, but it's fake. And I was like,

What drawer are you in? So she sends me a picture And I'm like Harrison Do you have a fake cockroach? And he's like no And I'm like no I need to know now Because I think the nanny found it And he's like yeah And I'm like But the cockroach that I saw It was real Like because it was like crawling Or whatever I saw was real It crawled But he does have a fake one To scare me with

To your point. I would kill him. And then she said it. So then she took it out and set it in a candle. And then I saw the candle and I was like, God! And then I was just like, it's the fake one. So I'm just having a bug problem over here. Half fake, half real. Oh my God. At least you keeping your house so cold...

I would hope some bugs away. Cause you know how it gets really hot, like in New York when it would get super hot, all the bugs would like come inside. Hopefully your ice box prevents that a little bit. Yeah. It's, it's just, it's tragic. I know. I was like, I'm so glad we're going out to New York. And then I'm like, well, they're there too. So it's just like, they are the, yeah, they are some places, but anyways, that's my thorn. What's your thorn? My thorn was the, the wine.

Oh, it was the hangover. Yeah, I was like, yeah, that's a good thorn for you. It's perspective. It's bad, actually. I hope you have hard alcohol again and realize that it doesn't give you a hangover because I don't want you to have hangovers, but...

Also, as long as you can drink wine and be fine, I think you're fine. I don't even think I want to drink hard liquor. Like, I truly think if wine didn't exist and it was just hard liquor out there, I would become sober. Like, I genuinely don't... Unless it's in a margarita, because then I think that's fabulous. But I genuinely don't like the taste of hard liquor. I hate shots. And I don't like...

Like I don't think they taste good. The only cocktail I would ever drink is like a margarita or an espresso martini. I love spritz, but I love champagne. So like that's in its own category. But like, yeah, if like champagnes, Proseccos and wine didn't exist, I would be like, I'm good not drinking. Okay, you guys, we're going to talk about Quince, which is a new brand that Jordan and I just got stuff from like a month ago. And we were texting about how much we love it. And we're going to obviously talk to you guys about it. So Quince,

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No, Alex. That's like my only beef I have with weddings is a lot of weddings, their only choice of wine is Chardonnay or Cabernet, which are my least favorite wines. I would rather eat my left arm than drink Chardonnay. And I don't want a tequila soda, gin and tonic or whatever. So most weddings I go to, I'm like, well, I guess...

I won't drink or I'll drink like the champagne they give for free like over and over again. I mean, that's such a good point. Would you ever be down for a wedding that was like BYOB? Like everyone bring their own bottle of wine. Would you enjoy that? Because I would actually thoroughly enjoy that. I think that would be actually so fun. As long as people didn't think I was like ripping them off.

Or like maybe I would supply a lot, but I would be like, you can bring your own. Like that would make me so happy as an attendee. Yeah. Or they were like, listen, it's going to be a fabulous night. And like we went, you know, we've got a great, you know, DJ band, like food, blah, blah, blah. But like, listen, when it comes to wine, everyone's different. And so like bring your own just for fun. I would be so down for that.

Oh, I love that. That'd be, I mean, I would literally thrive. I went to like one of my good friends who got married in September. Since she is a girl of our age, her white wine choice was Savvy B. And I was like, your wedding is now at the top of my books because, or the top of my list because the wine choice was Savvy on Blanc.

I love you. That's the key to your heart. Yeah. Yeah. And then when it is like that, it's so... That honestly is a good point. Like, somebody nailing the bar does make or break the night. Because if somebody's got just Sauvignon Blanc, like, on tap, you're just like, oh, I'll just go all night. Like, how fun. Like, I went to a wedding with Pete a while back. And it was open bar, which was incredible. But they didn't have...

they only had chardonnay and cab which is is besides the point but they had really old bartenders and i'm talking like i think this one bartender was pushing 75 maybe 80 and pete was like hey can i have a dirty martini and no joke this man poured it was like all vodka and like like um half vodka half vermouth and he was like

This is a... It was like dirty water brown. He's like, this is not a dirty martini. And then my drink, I did ask for a tequila pineapple just to see if I could like hold it. I kid you not. It was all tequila with maybe a quarter of a shot of pineapple juice. I was like, this man. Well, I do. I do think the older generations, like there's all these like generational stereotypes that I think are true. And like, I do think our generation hates drinking more than like theirs, but they were strong drinks. Oh, yeah.

Oh yeah I mean that makes total sense and it would be an older bartender just like here you go like you like straight to the point right remove all the fluff of the taste. We like took a sip and we like almost spit it out on people because we were like oh my god this is this this is the strongest drink I've ever had in my entire life. Oh yeah I can't even I just that that rings so true you know what but you said like an espresso martini like I I used to love an espresso martini on the right occasion but

And only one, but like really had to be like, we're having a fun night. I maybe in New York, I'll try an espresso martini. Like, I don't know what that would do to me. I think it would be like lighter fluid in my system. Yeah. I don't know how we used to drink those all night long. And then some, I mean, granted, we'd probably go to bed at like three or four, but I don't know how we didn't explode.

Oh man, espresso. They've really got to have a limit of one on those. Because your heart just starts to go. You would think that they would kill people because of the amount of caffeine and alcohol. I know. It's like a wild combination. Yeah. It's wild. I wouldn't say it's wild. Okay. So what do you want to start with? Because we have a list of a lot of very fun topics. They're like silly and some serious.

Well, okay, you put in a TikTok in here, which was, it was the girl and she was talking about like the more you do for a guy, the more he loves himself, but the more you do for yourself, the more he loves for you. I thought you put that TikTok in. I'm losing my mind. I was like, I didn't put that TikTok in. Because I saw that you put it in and I almost commented, I also saw this.

This morning I was like, oh my God, same. I literally got served this TikTok. Okay, my topic. Great. Did you watch the TikTok? Yes, I love that TikTok. I'm going to give you a life hack that's going to change how you attach to people, how people respond to you, how magnetic you are, and it's going to stop you suffering about guys, okay? It's going to stop. I'm going to nip that right in the bud, okay? Like this.

That's what men do. Men do this. They are the kings of this. That's where I got it from. Men. When somebody, he, when Gerald does something for you, instead of thinking, and I say Gerald got you a meal, he made you a meal. Instead of thinking, wow, Gerald is so amazing. He made me a meal. Gerald is so amazing. He changed my tires. Gerald is so amazing. He bought me some flowers. You uno reverso. I am so amazing. He decided to make me a meal.

I am so amazing, he changed my tyre. I am so amazing, he bought me flowers. When you do amazing things for a man, he doesn't think "wow she's so amazing, she did that for me". He thinks "I'm so amazing, I must deserve that" and his ego grows. The more you do for him, the more he loves himself. The more you do for yourself, the more he loves you. I've told you that formula. Now to stop yourself getting over attached to him and obsessed with him and all about him, which is what we do because we love in a maternal way,

Every time he does something for you, what are you going to do? Must mean I'm so amazing. Do what he does. Must mean I'm so good. Every time the world is kind to you, give it as a merit to yourself, not to him. So at the end of it, you're going to be more and more attached to you and not to him. You're welcome. I think people have it backwards where they think when they're helpless...

Okay, basically it's this TikTok where this girl is saying the more you need a guy to do for you or the more you do for him, like the less he like will love you. That's a harsh way of putting it. But the more like you do for you and the more you grow yourself and like take care of yourself, then the more he will love you. And I feel like it's, I feel like society kind of has a flip-flopped version of that in their heads.

Wait, what do you mean a flip-flop version? I thought the TikTok, I thought it was... Maybe I'm not thinking of the right TikTok. The one I'm thinking of is the girl said that we should flip if a guy gets us flowers instead of thinking, I'm so lucky he got me flowers. You should be thinking, I deserve these flowers. He's so lucky to have me. Yeah, no, it is that. It's the same like...

That's the same concept of like... Okay. You're like the second part of it. But yes, no, same TikTok. Wait, so what do you think is flipped? Well, I think people think like... I think...

So conditioned to think like he you know the guy needs to save the girl woe is me like bring me flower like this whole shower thing as opposed like I can take care of myself I do deserve those like yes I'm good enough he brought me the flowers not like oh I need him to bring me the flowers to like define the worth as opposed to like yeah I deserve those not like I deserve those but like I was worthy of them.

Yes. Okay. Sorry. I did. Yes. I fully understand what you're saying now. So you agree with the TikTok? Totally. I totally agree with it. And I just thought it was a different way of looking at things too. Yeah. No, I actually saw this TikTok a while back before I met Pete and it really changed my perspective on dating and men and just like people in general because a lot of times people

guys would do the bare minimum and I used to say oh my god he's the best I'm so lucky like he's the guy for me because he opens the door because he paid for our first date because he got me flowers and I saw this TikTok and I actually had a conversation about it with my therapist as well and she and this TikTok is like no Jordan you are great and you deserve all of these things like this is just the bare minimum like if a guy gets you flowers

great, but you're great and you deserve those flowers. Like don't put men on these pedestals for doing the bare minimum because you are worthy of more than the bare minimum. And it just really helped shape my outlook and understanding my worth when I was dating. Yeah. And I feel like it's also like running alongside these guys of not being like

sitting there being like, okay, I hope that he does this for me as opposed to like he should. And then, and, and as should we do nice things for guys, right? Like, I feel like it was this sort of quality based, no, everyone know their worth, everyone like step up to the plate and then, you know, like gift and do nice things for each other accordingly. Like I really thought it was less of a sort of a victim mentality and more of like a

Everyone deserves a piece of the pie. Does that make sense? Yeah. It's a really, and we'll play the TikTok, but it's a really great TikTok to listen to, I think, if you are someone who's always kind of like, oh my gosh, I'm so lucky that they're doing this for me. Or you just have like that mentality that you just described because you deserve, like you, if you get flowers or if someone does something for you, you should be saying, of course, like I deserve that because I am the best. Yeah.

Yeah, I agree. And then, yeah, I agree. And then what do you even think about the, like, if he's not doing those things for you, but you want him to, it kind of helped me in the sense of still knowing you deserve them, not asking yourself, why is he not like, am I not good enough? Just like knowing you are good enough. Yeah. That's, that's another good point is, um,

Maybe you should reevaluate that relationship with that person. Obviously have a conversation and like maybe ask before you just assume. But if you're constantly asking like, hey, I just I really want flowers. I really want flowers. It means so much to me if I if I could have flowers. They never do. You should be like, I deserve these flowers. If this person can't give me the bare minimum of what I deserve, they aren't meant for me or this person isn't meant for me.

Totally. Or... And then, yeah, and then even a step further of, like, maybe there isn't... Maybe they aren't the acts of service type, but if you know... Like, if you can stand in your confidence and be like, of course I deserve these things, and then just, like, telling him, then I bet he'll be, like, very open to receiving that of, like, oh, sorry, I didn't even think about that. But, like, yeah, you're right. You totally deserve those. Yeah, I always...

I think like a lot of people, I don't even know if you want to, you would fits in here. But I remember, I can't remember who told me. I feel like we've had this conversation before even. But you'll know when someone like, or you have like a good partner or you're deserving or that you'll just know you're like with a good person or you have a good partner is with, is if they don't necessarily...

do what you're wanting, but they take that step to make sure that they can complete that task for you. So, for example, if you're dating someone who's never gotten a girl flowers before, usually doesn't, but they know how much it means to you and they go to their way to do it. Like that's a that means that they like truly love and care for you. I don't know. I feel like maybe I'm just rambling at this point. My brain's a little confused right now.

No I'm like a little bit confused too But I understood exactly what you just said And I think it's You and I have talked about this a lot Understand how your partner receives As opposed to how you give And being like okay This doesn't have to do with me But how do you receive And then giving in that way I do agree with that Yeah but overall I really like that TikTok It has a lot of likes A lot of likes for a reason

I cannot believe that's my topic. I mean, that's hilarious. That is so funny. I'm dead. Oh, you did say I used to do this, love this. You commented that. Okay. I thought I put the TikTok in there, but then I was like, but I didn't write this. And I thought you were telling me about the TikTok. And then I was like, dude, I also saw that TikTok. I'm dead. No, I used to do this. Like if my friends were ever like, oh, but...

He always plans the dates. He's so great. I'd be like, girl, you deserve to have the dates planned. Like, don't put them up on this pedestal. Like, you deserve that. So I used to always practice that when I was dating. It's a very helpful tool. It's very helpful. And like, so just so you guys know, we have this notes app. That's why that's what we're referring to right now. And I guess I put the TikTok in the notes app, but then Jordan commented on it. And then I thought that they were all her. So that's what happened there. People listening are going to be like, girls, get your shit together. Sorry. Sorry.

Are bad I do have a question though Do you know why people are thanking Beyonce? No Have you seen that trend? I saw like three TikToks in a row It's like I'd like to thank Beyonce Or like I'm doing XYZ and I forgot to thank Beyonce Like why Oh I thought you would know that like for sure in a minute Okay I'm not a big Beyonce gal I'm not like on Beyonce TikTok Is it maybe because she Didn't she open up for Kamala at one of her rallies?

Maybe that's why.

Oh, wait, okay, okay, wait. No, I guess it's a... What started out as a conspiracy theory is now a trend that has everyone on social media thanking Beyoncé. This all began when social media users noticed an unusual trend in celebrity artists thanking Beyoncé in their acceptance speeches after being nominated for major awards. Although the artists did not collaborate with Beyoncé to create their awarded projects, the many artists still used their acceptance speeches as a moment to express their admiration and a higher regard for the singer. Okay.

Okay, so I guess it just became like an on-trend joke. That's funny. I like... Oh, oh, Julie's saying... Okay, it's a conspiracy theory too. Like people who didn't ended up dying. Oh, no. Beyonce low-key scares me. Like I... No, yes. Do you agree? You're right. Yes. Oh, I've always agreed. I think there's like a... People like link Beyonce to the Illuminati. And then there's also this P. Diddy thing that's going to come up as a rapper and producer thing.

Oh, I guess due to this, the reputations of many celebrities are being called into question, allegedly. I don't know. I guess Beyonce's got some link to that. But I agree, Beyonce's low-key is scary. There's too many unknowns.

But thank her. I'm getting a little bit of this conspiracy theory from the Brits from This is the Worst. If you guys don't listen to that podcast, please do because they're the best and they're on our network. But they were talking about Beyonce's deflating baby bump. I don't know if you ever saw that conspiracy theory. Saw that, yes. And...

Because allegedly, so Jay-Z had an affair with this woman and people think, and this woman is deceased now, and people think, allegedly, allegedly, that Beyonce had this woman killed after she gave birth to the baby and then pretended to be pregnant and then Blue Ivy is actually the other woman's child, not Beyonce's child. And she just faked her pregnancy. That's the...

That's the kind of stuff, though, that I think that is going on around Beyonce. Like, I don't... I think we should just thank her and move on. Yeah, she scares me. I think the trend is like, and we'd like to thank Beyonce. We would like to thank her. We're scared. This isn't on the list, but just because we were just talking about conspiracy theories, have you seen the new cult on TikTok rebuilding Atlantis? No. No.

Yeah, so apparently, I mean, we are just so lucky that there is a cult happening right before our eyes that we get to experience. But long story short, there's this man who bought a ton of land in Texas. And all he's saying is like, I have all this land. I hate the rich because they...

buy all this property and then refurbish it and then sell it at higher prices so the poor can't purchase homes. So what he did is he bought all this land and is like, anyone can come live on this land. I won't supply you with housing and this or that, but you can bring your RV, you can build a tent, you can sleep in a sleeping bag. I don't care, but this land is your land. And he started doing this, I believe a year ago. And now people are starting to come live on his land and

And it's just like the craziest stories happening. And people are like, this is going to turn into a cult. And it's going to be happening in front of our eyes. And it's not considered a cult like necessarily at this moment. But how he is preaching and how people are like looking to him as he's the leader of this land. He is because he keeps saying he's like, we need to we need to start a revolution. We need to start a revolution. We need to. And he's just calling it rebuilding Atlantis. So people are like, oh, no, this is this is going to be a cult.

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That's very utopian, right? Like that's what moved. That's going to be a movie about that in 30 years. And like, yeah, someone's going to kill their neighbor and they're going to be like above the law. They're going to get like zoned out for the law. That's just like so creepy. I, you know, you know who else is buying land in Texas for their family to live on? Elon Musk. Did you see this? No, no.

He's done a sort of version of what you just described because doesn't he? He has a couple different baby mamas, right? 11 kids, what, 7 mamas or 11 mamas? Jesus. Some crazy number. But they're all going to live on the same plot of land so they can be raised together and he can just pop in and visit them all at the same time. Oh. So a little con, con, con, con, compound. Compound. No, no, no. What's the word? Oh my God. Commune. It's commune. Yeah.

Yes, that's what Elon's up to. Yeah, I know. Crazy, huh? Gotta love it. Next thing you know, we're going to all have our own little villages. I don't even know. I can't say that word for him. Communes. Communes. Communes. Imagine. Okay. Also, like, just really quickly, I know this is not a politics podcast, but did you see Kill Tony at the Trump rally? Yeah. That was the miss of the century. I mean...

He goes on the list of like some of the most disgusting human beings that are out there. Like, we like to be objective of both sides. I thought the serving of the French fries was really funny. Okay. I think that the kill Tony was a massive miss. Like, why did we just blend? He, I would have liked to have seen him make fun of like

individuals or something, I guess, if we are going to tie politics and comedy together, which I don't understand. But I really thought it was like a tasteless miss. Oh, it was so tasteless. And he was like, there's just no words other than what he said was very disgusting and offensive. And it was just a miss. And I don't even know why. Like, well, I don't know why Trump picked him, but I think it was a huge miss for that political party as well, having him

Give his little speech. Yeah, I agree. I didn't get that one bit. Okay, we can move on from that. This podcast episode is literally... I came in today being like, I feel like I have a little bit of my period brain, so I might be a little cuckoo. Oh, sorry. And I'm not doing a good job balancing you out. I'm taking you on a roller coaster, quite literally. This episode will just be called Brain Fog.

Yeah. Okay. What's your platonic? Okay. So have you ever gotten the ick from a friend? Yes. Because we talked a lot about our icks we get with men. What's the what are icks you've gotten from your friend or like what's your platonic? A good platonic ick for me is like, don't tell anyone but and it's like you don't know them that well.

And so I just feel like that's a really dangerous place to go because it's like don't tell anyone like you have I like I saw this meme of Khloe Kardashian like biting her lip and it's like when you overshare to your friend who tells everyone everything and it's like you have no idea who you're dealing with if it's like early on in a friendship. So that always makes me take a step back. So I think I classify that as an ick. What's yours?

Well, quick, I totally agree with you. There's nothing more I get like the quick ick from is when you first meet someone. Like let's say you're with like a group of three of your friends and there's like a new friend that comes in and next thing you know, she's like talking shit on a lot of people and you're like, whoa, I don't even know you and you're giving me all the tea and gossip on all these people and they always say like, don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone but. And I'm like, well, girl, no, I'm not going to ever trust you because you're

What are you saying to all these other people about me? Like you're trusting me to not tell anyone when you have no idea if I have a big mouth or not? Like, wait, what? Yes. Wait, what was your... What did you say at the center? Or don't tell anyone but... Or what was yours? Yeah, that's what it was. Like, don't tell anyone but... And it's like, don't tell... Like, we're not allowed to tell people this and you're telling me? We just met. Yeah, no, that... Oh, that's a good one. Mine is more of a shallow one. Mine is...

I get the ick when my friends don't wash their hair, which I know is almost every single girl, but I think it's so icky. Or if people don't shower for multiple days in a row. Miss. The hair. The hair thing is...

It's be, that doesn't count. And you do realize on the other side of the internet, which is not your side of the internet, you're on washing hair every day side. There's this like goal. And it's like the longer you can go without washing your hair, like the healthier your hair is for us who use color.

I think that's a conspiracy theory though because, which wouldn't make sense because you would think that people would want you to wash your hair every day because then you would have to spend more money on shampoo and conditioner and go into the hair salon. But I swear my hair is healthy and my skin is clear because I wash my hair every day. If I don't wash my hair, I get acne. Especially like right here. Really? Yeah. No, if I wash my hair every day, like my hair is greasier. That's wild. It really is.

I know maybe it's the coloring and like the blonde in it or something but no like I try my hairdresser will say like how this is what he said to me last time I went how often do you wash your hair and I was like I'm trying to do two to three times a week he's like really try to do two if not one that's crazy I know I know I know I guess I give you the ick at least your hair though looks nice I've never looked at you and been like your hair is greasy not once

It really doesn't get like it. I know. I know. It's really hard to explain, but like, I think it's the color though. I think it's like the coloring of it. Yeah. Cause I would say like greasy hair on girls. Like, I'm sorry, but that makes me want to literally take a bucket and shampoo and wash their hair for them. I'd be like, just come with me, come with me to the sink so I can wash your hair, please. Like stringy, greasy. I totally agree with you on that. Yeah. I just, um,

No, that's a good friend. Dick. Yeah, I totally, I have another one. What? Like inability to pivot, um, in situations. Like if you're all out doing something and you show up and like you had a reservation for six and you get there at the restaurant and they're like, Oh my God, you made the reservation for tomorrow. Not today. No problem. That's what I want. Everyone never really good attitude and big, no big deal. Let's do something else. But there's always like one person that's just like, wait, what?

And it's just like, no, come on. We got to be able to pivot. Like we got to be able to move because then you're not afraid to like go do things with them. Yes, that is such a good one. Speaking of that, I actually have another one too. When you were just like, we hate this about our friends. When you have like you're in a group chat with your friends.

And you have this one friend that says no to every single idea you're saying, but they won't give their opinion on what they want to do. So you're like, what do you want to eat? And they're like, I don't care. And then you're like, X, Y, Z. No, X, Y, Z. No, X, Y, Z. No. And then you're like, okay, you pick. And they're like, but I don't care. I'm like, if you don't have any input, you don't get an opinion. Totally agree. And they just keep saying like, or, and it's not even like, no, but it's like the vibe there's bad.

Okay, give me another one. Get like, participate. I remember that happened one time. We were going to this concert and I didn't even know this girl. But she was going with like my close friends. And I was like, okay, where do you guys want to go to dinner beforehand? And everyone was like, I don't care. So I like was throwing out suggestions. And she'd be like, that one's too far. Oh, I can't eat that food. I don't like that place. And then I was like, then where do you want to go? I'm really open to anything though. I was like, I'm about to...

I'm really open to anything that was the best because it's like, you're not though. Cause we're, we're sitting here and like going through them. I, I like, this just feels like this is our most negative episode ever, but I have one more now that you've said that. Let's go. It's the, it's the, the tab hater. Yeah.

The tab, like the person that's like hawking the tab and like then the tab comes and they're like nickel and diming you when it's just like everyone put their cards down. We almost all ordered the same thing. Everyone had three drinks. We split all the food. This is not the time to be like, you know, or they don't pull out their card and it's just like be a participant in the tab. Yes. I could not agree more. I like if I'm at dinner with my friends and...

I have a friend who doesn't drink, like isn't drinking at all. But let's say I get like three glasses of wine. I will always say, no, I'll put my card down and I'll Venmo you just for your food because I'm not going to make you pay for my drink. And most of the time my friends are like, I could care less. Let me just put my card down because I'm that friend. I'm like with my close girlfriends, I'm like, I don't care. We're all, we all pay for it back and forth. But when I'm at like a table and I don't really know someone and they're like,

Well, I'm not putting my card down. I only had the chicken. I didn't even eat the guacamole that we shared for everyone. I'm like, there's the door. Like, then don't come. Like, then don't come. Because we need to be at... It's not about the tab. It's about the experience. Like, come on. I was at dinner with my old roommate and Pete. And we...

We got food and appetizers and stuff and all the appetizers went on my card. And I was just like, they were like, oh my God, let me vet me. I'm like, I don't care. I was like, Paige, you and I live together. We have spent so much money on each other. Like I would, you, you're, it doesn't matter to me. Pete, shut up. I was just like, I don't care with you guys. Like, I'm like, it just doesn't matter. Yeah.

And then I think when people don't care, like it in the next time somebody else puts their card down, it's one thing to be okay.

Good Lord, I got another one. But the moocher that lets you pay every time, right? That's not good either, okay? So it's like if you're so... If you and I go out to dinner and I'm like, I got it. And then, you know, we go out to like seven coffees in a row and like you get them. And then like I get one. It's like I don't feel so tense about it and like taking advantage of, right? We feel like what goes around comes around. Like we're both just like happy to... You just like keep a mental running tab kind of. Yeah, like if it's under 20 bucks, I...

don't care if my friend demos me or not like especially like your close friends if you're it's like oh I'm gonna run to Starbucks you want anything and then they're like what can I have me I'm like shut up like I don't want your money for a coffee because I know in three weeks you're probably gonna pay for my coffee like it just doesn't matter but I hate when when it's like a friend's like I'm gonna go to Starbucks okay you've you owe me five dollars and 32 cents I'm just like whatever like I don't care right like can you just go next time and get it please I

Or like the first few Venmos do the exact cent. I'm like, shut up. Round up or down. I'd rather lose money than pay you a cent. Yeah. Have you ever Venmoed up like a 42 cents? No, but I've had a lot of people who've done it to me and I'm like, no. Oh, on principle, you got to round up to the nearest dollar. Right. But I'm saying like, I would rather have you round down if you want it. Like I'd rather not have those, that extra 50 cents. Right. I don't want it.

I agree. I do wish like we in general as a currency system operated on just no change. Yeah, I agree because change doesn't fit in our purses. It's not conducive. I completely agree.

Okay. Maybe a little bit more of a positive note. Yeah, I hate like, oh, that was like a tough, that was tough because I feel like typically, listen, the best friend green flag non-ick is like the positive ones. And we just, we didn't pass that vibe check just then. So sorry. Sorry. Every once in a while, you just got to get real and talk about the red flags and icks and friendships. Yeah. Yeah.

It's funny though, because I know your point was that platonic ics do exist and they do exist. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So this will be more positive, but have you ever heard of secret single behaviors? Yes. Well, no, but because of this, yes. Okay. So if you are listening and you've never heard of it, essentially this term came from Sex and the City. Carrie Bradshaw coined it and it's

The behaviors you do, the behaviors you did when you were single behind closed doors or the behaviors you do when your partner leaves the home. So, for example, it could be like you shaving your mustache, like the things you don't want your partner to see that you still do. And I was wondering what yours were. And I also asked our listeners and I have a list of ones they've done.

Okay, I cannot wait to hear what theirs are. But mine... So mine is like chin hair. Like picking it with a tweezer. Murder me to say this out loud. But it's like my number one one. But the problem is we now... Our bedroom... Like we don't have a bathroom door. So we have like a round... Like we look like we live in a tree house where the windows... Like our bathroom kind of like goes into... It's like this modern no door thing. So...

If Harrison's sitting in bed on his laptop and I'm in the bathroom, like he can see me. And so I gave up on this about a month ago where I just started, like I would just use the tweezers on the chin. And like, I've just seen him walk, like we'll be in the middle of a conversation. He doesn't say anything. I don't know if he, I don't know if he knows what I'm doing. He has no idea what I'm doing, but that was definitely mine. But the cat's out of the bag on it now. So what's yours? Mine is dermaplaning the mustache. Okay.

Yeah. Pete has never... Well, he listens to the podcast. He has never and will never see me do that. And whenever Pete goes on a work trip, I eat so many meals in bed. And his rule is we don't eat in bed, but when he leaves, I love to eat in bed. That is my guilty pleasure. And then do you change the sheets? Well...

I usually put like a blanket over like I like will put a blanket sometimes over me when I eat so it doesn't actually like get into the bed okay that's really smart yeah I'm those are those are two very good very good ones he doesn't he doesn't like eating in bed I'm with I'm with that so I asked our our listeners and they there were so many responses and they're so good so some of them was um so a lot of them was fully eating in bed

Someone was like eating an entire box of donuts. Now my husband judges me. Pooping with the door open. Waxing my coochie. A lot of like cleaning down there. Eating all my meals in bed. Cleaning my ears. That's a big one. Oh. Like getting all the wax out of your ears. Eating straight from the bag of shredded cheese over the kitchen sink. Handfuls.

Did Harrison submit that? No, did he do that? Well, he just loves the shredded cheese. Yeah, loves it. I'm dead. Nail clipping or cleaning them, shaving my nose, shaving my toes. That's a funny one. Oh, shaving the toes. Okay, that's a good one. Popping pimples. See, I love popping Pete's pimples, so...

Oh, I saw the trend. Like, then I go and spoil it all by saying, and then you were like, can I pop your pimple? And I was like, ah, I love popping Pete's pimples. It's so fun. Um, let's see a plucking chin hair. That was a few of them. There we go. Heck yeah. Those are my people. Um, a lot of them are around trimming hair and eat, just eating, um,

a bunch of different things like out of the bag or like drinking from the carton um brutal oh tampons in the trash that's a big one i i always wrap mine up in toilet paper because i'm like oh if he ever saw that i'd be so grossed out that's a really that's actually a really good one looking for small ingrown hairs on my legs and tweezing them out

Oh, gosh. That's actually a good one. Wait, there's so many plucky my chin hairs. I'm dead. See, all of us girls are the same. That's the thing. There wasn't one outlier in there that I was like, oh, yeah, no, gross. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't drink like from the cartons and things, but...

I do get doing that. You guys, it's cuffing season and we have been talking about our new favorite dating app, which is from First Rounds On Me. I think it's like the most genius app

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The best part about from is you get to like escape the swipe trap of just swiping, swiping, swiping or talking to people for weeks on end before they actually ask you on a date. I think that was the worst. Like you get so excited because you'd match with someone and then they would just keep talking. You're like, why? Why haven't we had a date planned yet? But with

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Just eat like a whole bag of candy I'll just like sit in the kitchen and like Octobuddy my phone to the cabinet And I'll just like doom scroll and eat all my candy While standing That's like so just relatable Though like just sitting down Because I don't know why I'll do that too like I'll eat just more I'll just eat more when he's gone I guess And it's like why I'm not hungrier I'm just what are we bored I don't know Pete's gone I'm like well I guess I'll just eat Ice cream for dinner then

Yeah, it's really funny like what we'll let ourselves do. It's just like we're home alone. If any man is listening, sorry, we're spoiling it. Girls are gross. Yeah, it's like, ooh. Yeah, I like that. What's your PDA question? Oh, so Julie wanted me to ask you this. Oh, no. Are you in Harrison PDA? Yeah.

I said to Harrison today, I said, PDA is on the topic list. We both started laughing like more PDA than I've ever been before. Totally. Yes. And I think that's, I think it's like, like, are we sitting on the same side of the booth? No. Unless Tate's there sometimes actually he'll just like kiss me on the forehead though. And things out in public. Totally. Yes. I know. And I would love to hold his hand.

Which is crazy because I never took you for an affectionate person before. Never really was. But like with him, it's not like you're not going to catch us like making out on the street by any means. But like he'll definitely like kiss my forehead or things way more than anybody else ever did. Yeah. I remember when I was in Texas with you guys, I saw him kiss you a few times and I was like, ew, what's happening? Oh my gosh. Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's like the... And I like it. Like, I think it's the... I guess it's like... I don't know what it is. I'm like that with anyone else. Like, I don't want to see any of my friends' boyfriends kiss them. But see, I agree. But you know what? Actually, it's so funny. I've lessened on it. I used to be so like, ah! But now I do think about it differently because who did I see doing it? Who was I around? Oh, I don't know. I was around some couple, though.

And they like kissed and I was like, oh. And then I was like, wait a second. I've totally changed. Because I used to have been like, oh my gosh. Yeah, but I'm like, okay. And then I'm like, I guess it's because it's more like he'll do forehead kisses and things. But yeah. I also, I mean, I don't know because I don't have a baby. But I feel like when you see someone you love give birth to your child, like you just have a different appreciation for them. I don't know. I feel like when he looks at you, he's like,

He just loves you so much more in like a different way now because you birthed his baby girl.

No that's exactly That's what it is though And it was even that Like through pregnancy I think he felt this like Protection sense towards me Of And I think a lot of guys Feel that Because it's like They can't carry the kid Obviously So like you're doing it For both of you And then I think he feels Like connected to that Because when we first Started dating It really wasn't like that And it's definitely Morphed into it But I That's why I think I find it So much sweeter Yeah Oh yeah for sure Yeah

Yeah, but no, it's interesting. I saw the topic list and I literally started laughing and I was like, oh my God. Oh, and I said, I said, Julie, Julie's going to be there. She's going to know. And I got an answer, honestly. I'm dead. So funny. I think we only have 10 minutes left. So should we do listener question and we can save the other topics for when we record in person?

Yeah I love Bench Holiday We gotta save Bench Holiday Okay This listener question is a good one though Okay Listener question Is the slow burn worth it?

I've been going on dates with this guy and it's going well. I'm just not sure how I feel. For context, I saw him tagged on a mutual friend's Insta pic and I thought he looked cute, normal, and like somebody I'd vibe with. I slid into his DMs, lol. And fast forward to now, we've been on four dates. First was fine. Second was amazing. Third was eh. Fourth was much better. We are getting more comfortable with each other as we get to know each other.

We're still essentially strangers, but I don't know if I'm feeling that pull or getting this. I think you should have when some, when you're starting to like somebody, I know there's no timeline for feelings and every story or, or dating story is different, but I'm not sure if I just don't know him well enough yet as a person slash friend to feel those feelings. I'm inherently more traditional and take things slow because I feel the need to get to know someone well, like as a best friend before any romantic moves are made. And the grand scheme of things were two humans who are trying to get to know each other before, uh,

we're trying to get to know each other from nothing before but should i be feeling anything romantic yet should i keep going on dates until i'm more sure what's your take on dating and two whole strangers meeting to loving type situation i i love this question because i feel like we've talked about the slow burn a lot and how usually if you have like that initial hot and heavy spark with someone it could sometimes be love bombing

But what gets me with this is I feel like by date four, you should be feeling a little bit of a less of a slow burn and just should start turning into like the butterflies. Yeah, I think it's safe to say we want like some kind of a spark, right? Yeah. Yeah, I would...

There's got to be something keeping you coming back except for a piece of paper, like the resume that he looks normal. You think he has potential. It's like, I agree. You do need to feel something, right?

Yeah, because I'm afraid that if it continues down this route, it will just be, like, a really good friendship and there won't be, like, a romantic involved. Like, she won't have romantic or maybe even physical feelings for this person. Like, I dated... I remember I dated a guy who... He was just, like, so much fun. He was great. But I didn't... I, like...

I wouldn't have cried if I never saw him again. But when I saw him, I was like, this is fun. But I didn't want him to like touch me or anything. I was like, you're just like, I wish we could best friends. Like, I love hanging out with you, but I wish we could just be best friends. And I feel like, oh, I know for a fact that that was never going to change. Like, it didn't matter that we were strangers. Like, I was never going to romantically fall for this person.

Yeah. And I think that's a really good point. Like you want to have butterflies when you're going to see them and like you're excited about it. And if you don't feel that, then what's the point? I think for I think date one and two is like a really good way of gauging that. And then like date four, I think you should definitely have felt something. Yeah, because I mean, by date four, that could be you talking to this person for two months, even by that point, depending on how busy your schedules are.

Yeah, I completely agree. I think, but I don't know. Then there's like some friends that end up saying they have like the biggest crush on somebody. But no, I think the people that even say they have crushes, they always had them. They just never said it. I agree. Because like this person's like intentionally going on these dates, wanting to fall for this person and their, their body and brain isn't allowing them. Where like, if you're friends, your subconscious is kind of like your friends, you can't fall for this person.

Yeah, I completely agree with that. Yeah. So unfortunately, like maybe give it one more date. But I would say that you guys just might not have that chemistry that you need for a good like a successful relationship. Romantic relationship. Yeah, I'm with I'm totally with you on that. Speaking of I am trying to finish Tell Me Lies. Speaking of romantic relationships. It's good. I'm on episode eight. Wait, really? Yeah.

Yeah, I'm back in. After last week, I was like, let me try one more episode, and I actually really do like it. Okay. I forget. In season one, is episode eight the last of the season? No, I think there's like 11 or something. I'm so jealous that this is your first time watching it. I would give anything to be able to relive that show. Yeah, it's really good. I'm going to watch it on the plane, too. I'm really enjoying it. So thank you for relighting that flame. Of course. What's your rec for this week?

That's my rec. Sorry, that's where I went. I think if people haven't seen it, I now agree with you that people should see it.

Okay. If you're listening, go home and watch Tell Me Lies right now. Yeah. What's your rec? So my rec is, unfortunately, you won't know what this is because you refuse to read fantasy books, but I'm officially on the last book of Throne of Glass, which is Sarah J. Maas's part of her universe. Like, Akatar that we've talked about is one of her series. Throne of Glass.

Throne of Glass is another. Crescent City is another. And after I finish this last book, I will have her whole universe wrapped up in a nice little bow until ACOTAR 5 comes out. Or 6, sorry. But I just have to, my rec is, if you have not read this series, you just gotta. It's so good. So well written. She's just one of those authors that

ties everything together so well and everything just ends up making sense and I don't know how people do this but like people that met in her first book are connected somehow in her seventh book I'm like how do you do this like she's such a smart author she's a genius

that's what people are obsessed with this series with her that you refer like I don't really know if they're serious I don't know how it's all intertwined but I see it everywhere and she's doing something right because people are obsessed for a reason she's so smart so that's my rec if we'll start with start with Akatar if you haven't read any of her books but after Akatar um do Throne of or Throne of Glass honestly skip Crescent City because that series sucks but that's my rec

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