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Why are we more closely related to fungi than plants?

2025/4/30
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Anna Goldfield: 我一直对科学家用来组织所有生物的系统——分类学印象深刻。它就像地球上所有生命的系谱,其中包含一些令人惊讶的发现,例如鲸鱼与河马关系密切,电鳗与鲶鱼关系更密切。但是有一点我不明白,根据分类学,我们人类与蘑菇、霉菌等真菌的关系比与植物的关系更密切。这让我很困惑。 我很好奇人类与真菌的亲缘关系有多近,以及为什么会这样。科学家们花了数百年的时间来弄清不同物种之间的联系,例如松鼠和蝾螈。有时,即使外观相似,物种之间也可能关系疏远,例如海豚和鲨鱼。这就是为什么科学家们使用其他工具来确定不同生物之间的关系,例如比较它们的DNA。事实证明,人类和真菌的DNA差异很大,但两者都需要摄食来产生能量,而植物则利用阳光产生能量。因此,我们与真菌的关系比与植物更密切,但这两种关系都不算很密切。我很庆幸我不负责组织地球上的所有生命。 Christine Solomon: 我是一名研究员和科学家,我研究微生物学,也就是对微小事物的研究。为了回答这个问题,我们必须考虑所谓的分类学,这是一个致力于弄清事物之间相互关系的科学分支。分类学家使用各种遗传和生化工具来衡量生物体随时间的进化,并绘制出这些关系的进化树。动物和真菌在进化树上比与植物的关系更密切。科学家可以通过研究生物体的DNA来测量这些距离,他们发现动物的DNA与真菌的DNA比与植物的DNA更相似。此外,真菌和人类都需要通过摄食来获取营养,这与植物不同。确定生物体之间的关系不能仅仅依靠单一特征,例如外观,而需要运用多种技术,包括DNA研究、生命史和细胞机制等。

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From the brains behind Brains On, this is the Moment of Um. Moment of Um comes to you from APM Studios. I'm Anna Goldfield. I'm not what you would call the most organized person.

I just have a hard time remembering where I left things. Sometimes I forget where I put my favorite pen or my phone or the TV remote. One time I lost a peanut butter and pickle sandwich for like 45 minutes and then found it again on my bookshelf. So I'm always really impressed when people have good systems for organizing stuff. And you know what I think is the most impressive bit of organization ever? Taxonomy.

That's the naming system that scientists use to group all living things in different categories, so you can see how they're related to one another. It's like a family tree, but for all life on Earth. I love looking through my biology book at these groups. I always find surprises. Like, did you know that whales' closest living relatives are hippos? And electric eels aren't even eels. They're more closely related to catfish. Wild.

But there's one thing I don't get. According to taxonomy, we humans are more closely related to mushrooms, mold, and other fungi than we are to plants. I'm related to a mushroom? How closely? What's up with that? Eben wanted to know too. Why are we more closely related to fungi than plants? Let's ask someone who knows a lot about this. I love this question.

Hi, my name is Christine Solomon. I'm a researcher and a scientist, and I study microbiology, which is the science of tiny things. So to answer that question, we have to think about something called taxonomy, which is a whole branch of science focused on figuring out how things are related to one another. And taxonomists use all kinds of genetic and biochemical tools to measure how organisms evolve over time.

And they've developed these amazing family trees that can illustrate these relationships. So, animals and fungi group together on this tree much more closely than they do to plants.

And scientists can measure these distances by studying the DNA, or the genetic blueprint of organisms, to compare them. And they found that the DNA of animals is much more similar to fungi than it is to plants. And some of the functional ways that fungi and humans are similar are that we both need to get nutrients by eating things.

So plants don't have to do this. They use photosynthesis to capture energy of sunlight to convert carbon dioxide in the air into sugar. Humans and fungi also store their energy differently than plants do. The important thing about taxonomy is that you can't use a single feature, like what something looks like,

to determine how it's related to something else. And so scientists have to use a whole toolbox full of techniques that include not only the study of DNA and genetics, but also the life history and the cellular machinery of organisms to understand how they evolved or changed over time. Well, that's pretty cool.

Scientists have spent hundreds of years figuring out how different species are connected, from squirrels to salamanders. Dogs, for example, are closely related to wolves, jackals, and foxes. You can look at these animals and see how similar they are. But sometimes animals look similar even though they aren't that closely related.

like dolphins and sharks. They both live underwater and have fins, but they're in totally different animal groups. That's why scientists use other tools for figuring out how related different creatures are, like comparing their DNA, which is a set of instructions that every living thing has for making itself, which brings us back to humans and fungi. Turns out, humans and fungi aren't

closely related. Our DNA is very, very different, but we both eat food to produce energy. Plants don't do that. They make their energy from sunlight. That means they're even more different from us than fungi are. So we're a little more closely related to fungi than to plants, but not very closely related to either. I'm glad I'm not in charge of organizing all life on Earth.

I do want to keep reading about taxonomy, though. Where'd my book go? Oh, man. ♪

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