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A "Safe" 6% Yield: The Case for Investment Grade CLOs

2023/3/8
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David Stein: 本期节目探讨了投资级CLOs的投资价值。CLOs(抵押贷款债务)是一种将杠杆贷款组合分成不同等级的债券出售给投资者的结构性产品。高等级债券(如AAA级)风险较低,收益率也较低;低等级债券风险较高,收益率也较高。 杠杆贷款本身具有浮动利率的优势,不受利率风险影响,但存在违约风险。当违约风险增加时,贷款价格可能下跌,导致未实现损失。 CLOs的优势在于其较低的违约率,即使在金融危机和疫情期间,高等级CLOs的违约率也几乎为零。 然而,CLOs也存在一些风险,例如提前还款风险和价格波动。即使是高等级CLOs,其价格也可能因杠杆贷款价差扩大而下跌。 投资者可以通过多种方式投资CLOs,包括ETF(如Janus AAA CLO ETF (JAAA)、BlackRock AAA CLO ETF (CLOA)和VanEck CLO ETF (CLOI))和封闭式基金(如Eagle Point Credit Company (ECC))。不同等级的CLOs风险和收益不同,投资者应根据自身风险承受能力选择合适的投资产品。 此外,LIBOR的淘汰将导致杠杆贷款的基准利率发生转变,这也会影响CLOs的收益率。 总而言之,投资级CLOs具有吸引人的收益率,但投资者需要充分了解其风险,并根据自身情况做出投资决策。

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How leveraged loans and CLOs work and how to invest in them. What are the risks and opportunities with the new CLO ETFs.

Topics covered include:

  • What are the characteristics of leveraged loans and how David has invested in them in the past, both professionally and personally.
  • Why LIBOR reference rate for leveraged loans is being phased out
  • What is the current investing climate for leveraged loans
  • How collateralized loan obligation work
  • Why insurance companies are fighting over CLOs
  • What are the different ways to invest in CLOs

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Show Notes

Companies, Lenders Clash Over Loan Spreads in Switch from Libor by Mark Maurer—The Wall Street Journal)

Libor: The Spider Network—The Wall Street Journal)

Collateralized Loan Obligations (CLOs) Primer by Jennifer Johnson—NAIC and The Center for Insurance Policy Research)

Investing In The Middle: Tapping Into Opportunities in Middle Market Lending—AllianceBernstein)

Top 10 US CLO Managers: CLO AUM (30 Nov 2022)—CLO Research)

Default, Transition, and Recovery: 2021 Annual Global Leveraged Loan CLO Default And Rating Transition Study—S&P Global Ratings)

U.S. BSL CLO And Leveraged Finance Quarterly: Is Winter Coming? by Stephen Anderberg, Daniel Hu, Et al.—S&P Global Ratings)

Risk Assessment of Structured Securities - CLOs by Eric Kolchinsky, Charles A. Therriault, Marc Perlman—National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC))

Monthly US CLO Index - December 2022—Fitch Ratings)

Private equity-backed insurers under US scrutiny over risky loans by Antoine Gara and Sujeet Indap—The Financial Times)

Private Equity Taps Insurers' Cash to Speed Up Growth by Matt Wirz and Leslie Scism—The Wall Street Journal)

Investments Mentioned​

Virtus Seix Floating Rate Income Fund (SAMBX)

Virtus Seix Senior Loan ETF (SEIX)​

Invesco Senior Loan ETF (BKLN)​

DoubleLine Flexible Income Fund (DFLEX)​

BlackRock Debt Strategies Fund (DSU)

BlackRock AAA CLO ETF (CLOA)

iShares Treasury Floating Rate Bond ETF (TFLO)​​

Janus AAA CLO ETF (JAAA)

Janus B-BBB CLO ETF (JBB)​

VanEck CLO ETF (CLOI)

Eaglepoint Credit Company (ECC)

Oxford Lane Capital Corp (OXLC)

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