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we get a very special episode. This one from this one was recorded when I was at the combine on my own while you were preparing for the one of the highlight of your life last night life. We're going to talk about all things nfl combine scouting, how teams build draft boards and it's wrapped travon.

I will describe what it's like for players to go through that. I know it's a little late, but we're a little busy as we said the week of the combined. So we're get into that now. I an incredible conversation with ephor netware own mia, also formal equal scout out of you that I did .

not know that .

about all things scouting, drafting. And what he thought of me is a prospect coming out with.

and I think was a real opinion.

IT seemed like he was authentic. And I trust the ano.

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now that is the off season. We're to double down. We're going to try. But you guys more episodes have more time to do this, more every use yeah, we're we're going to do everything we can to show you what it's like to be an nfl player in in all season. That's going to include interviews and content, obviously round in the nfl, but it's also going include things that happen to some mental of players outside of the interface. For instance, travel kills, the hosting side night live.

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But cabin season starts in April. boots. Now also we know today is the day that tapering starts. This episode was obviously prerecorded. So when are not going to be able to give any insight to the tampering period, but we will be offering that at a later date. Temporary e period is also has always been a little .

weird what temping period again. So those who don't .

know one temporary period is your agents are allowed to talk the teams and facilitate deals and make agreements just like for agency, but it's not official yet so we can get the ball around.

I don't know why that .

got pass IT really doesn't make any sense to me because all the contracts and things end up getting leaked before free agency officially .

starts on wednesday. I think that's that's why I think right there yeah so everybody.

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want IT doesn't become facebook official till wednesday until then it's all just here, say. But we can't wait to comment on all the frieze. There be some big moves made.

Obviously, the eagles have a lot of reagent up, so be insure to see where guys start landing and get and picked and to see who's getting paid. And love to see team is getting paid. One of my favorite .

things you love to see team is getting paid.

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So excited to see how many topics we actually touched today. But let's start with a little roback about the unfilled combine. We didn't get to touch base last week because a little busy, little doing a lot of things and trying to be a whole lot of different people all in one sitting is crazy, obviously.

That being said, and I live, Jason, were the first two to get drafted and go to the combine. When did you know you were headed, ed, to the combine? To those the people that don't know how this happens, how do you, how do you remember .

IT happening? I can't remember if the team told me I definitely don't didn't open a piece of mail because I didn't open mail. Coach, I don't know what still uses.

You still uses you see email I did .

for a long time. I shut. I'd use IT for long enough, and then I just shut down on me.

You were taking .

classes I think after like ten years of graduate and they just shut your email off I guess right it's not working. So yeah, he got a new email but yeah, I don't know the email to you. They mail IT to you. I do know that at some point, your agencies, you're invited to the combine and you immediately try and select a combined training facility. Well, you've probably already select to that in anticipation.

have the funds to be able to do that. You mean because if that is not free, you mean like you're typically your agents.

your kind of usually yeah. So the way IT works a lot of times, at least for guys, the agents think you're going to sign with an every team is they will pay the cost to these trading facilities for the player um knowing that they're going to get reivers when the player signs of contract. The guys that are invited, the combined still and i'm going to train of these facilities because there's still for days, they're still um there's a lot of guys I get drafted that don't go to the combat one of his danger mayor was rich ison that said, what percentage players go to the combine that get drafted but it's like ninety eight percent of the guys to go to, the kind of which I did not know that it's a very large number yeah.

I mean, we are just talking about how the the entire beginning process of the combined and that's essentially what IT is. If you for enough to have an agent that will in the pay for you, mean your training, your combine training, your pro day training. You know that's unfortunate.

I know a lot of guys just send up going right back to their college um and training at their college because typically free, you can just work. You'd still got your scholarship. Other guys mean still kind of live off of the the college life and you can go to your teams or your schools, wait room to be able to train and get ready for your protest.

What you get to the one of these facilities um and there's a butcher of them all over the country. You really start training more for attract me than you are training for to be a fool. All player is much different.

The whole your whole life, you're trained to be the best you can. What not your whole life for collegers ally should train to be the best you can. As a foobar player, you really are.

Everything is designed to make you, for me, the best of enigma, for travis, the best time in. And when you get to the combine, it's all about trying to get to the optimal weight, the optimal condition, to test the best and most likely to run the best. You know, some guys worry about two twenty five test to putting on the position, but the majority ever comes down to how can we make our forty time look the best?

How can we make all these different drills look the best? How can we make sure that we're on top of all the receiver drills and catching the ball like you're ripping everything you can do the combine at these places? Um now I don't think they did this when I was coming out, but I think now they actually like test the wonder, like but like there's a whole .

like strategy to touch. And I don't know if you're get any Better.

The one to look over .

month two.

this is my hypotheses. If you're score and low enough that you need to the study, the test to get Better. I feel most of these these guys aren't study in the to get Better, like I think that's fair to say, right?

You only get knocked on the questions that you your point is .

how many questions you are correctly.

So if you don't answer a question, you technical don't get anything knocked.

Well, it's not about knocking you, just your score ends up being a number and that's how many questions you answered red correctly.

So as fifty questions. So the best you can get is fifty. So if you're confused on the question.

just the point of the test is to try and answer as many questions you can, right? That's one of the things that I I only answered to have the test because i'm a slow reader. And this is another thing that I like have a problem with.

The wonder, like a time test in general, is if guys are slow readers, they're not going to have great, wonderful score test. I almost feel like a wonderful score. The questions are so easy. I almost feel like the guys I don't score well I knows are just not good .

at reading because the question .

is really not that hard on IT.

I'm with you, accept fit like some of them.

I mean, there's one of two math ones in a little bit already. But like for the most part, twenty of the questions .

train a is moving at.

Time out, okay, the tree cave, the train left. Pen ix train a okay, phoenix is on pacific .

and time, no G.

Test is over. Please pass IT to the front. I was, I need to get the train be .

IT just got done, put in, drown in the windows.

And there's a long window way of saying, I think the wonder like score in terms of evaluating football intelligence is next to like as far not important as possible. That's right.

Put the one of this. But IT is kind of finding to see something course I did.

It's a music when you see bad, when you see a really, if you get to blow a ten, I wonder, like it's definitely it's funny. I don't know know the way to .

say that there's a bunch of preparation that goes into IT. I mean, from nutrition to to everything, the the fundamentals of the forty, the shuttles, the you know you're training for just about two months or art, yeah just about two months for your bench present. You see guys just bulk up and just become absolute bees going into this combined and then you get to the combine.

And IT is a mental drag for for a lot of guys, you know haven't been in a situation like that. I know as a mental drag for me, gone from team to team answering ing the same questions given. Ask the same stuff about our medical stuff like injuries .

in our process.

Yeah um they throw you in a pair spandex and take every take a picture of you in every angle of your body, measuring every inch, every hds. Like a slab of meat slab.

a usage every single inch. There you go.

And yeah, it's a pretty interesting and weird process. But um when IT comes down to where you can actually make some progress, I think is in the team interviews and when teams teams are asking you to, you know put on a board, your favourite play in a in does a change versus coverage, can you read coverage?

What are you looking at on certain place that they might have some of your film, they might throw up on the TV and ask you what your thoughts are, how you're being coach on certain things to you. IT helps them understand how good you are communicating, what you're being taught, which also means how much confidence you have and what you're doing. And out there on the field in terms of fundamentals, how far down the road argue in terms of understanding scheme.

And I think that goes wave further than any one that looks score ever. That is, if I can talk about the different coverage I was seeing in, you know how I altered my road or how I went through my progression or how I picked up this blitz. And I knew this blitz was coming because of the scheme and because of what you saw on the film the week before, or which your coaches, i've been tell you know, all the that communication, if you show that you you have a business like approach to the game at the college level, that's automatically a check in the box of just, you know him being ready for for the nfl because that's what they really want to see. They want to see guys that can come in and start right now with their business like mentality.

I think I think there's three major components that are going to improve your draft stock. The most one, obviously, ilm. How you played you seen your year is the biggest determining factor. Two is medical. If you're not going to clear medical, you're got injuries that they're worried about or you're going if you if they're worried about injuries, obtain your pass list injuries, uh or medical doctor's passion, uh, that will improve your stuck uh, the third way these team interviews, I mean, this is a team game. This is a relationships game.

This is you're interacting with players and coaches and and they want to see guys that they want to, to be around, right? Still got to play, don't get me wrong, but I can definitely be a deciding factor. And how much a team like you, how much where the chemistry it's in that um if you remind them of certain people, all these things factory in these team interviews and you have any notice something they I think three formal interviews.

So I all set in this two at the combine. There are informal interviews, informal interviews, informal. You are a big room. Every team has that position that you're at.

You like a lunch table and everything is a free for all.

And they're just running and grab in you and they're trying to get in and basically fill out a very generic sheet that they're having everybody to come back and fill out. Formal interview is usually your position. Coach that's with that team. Gm, head coach.

usually scouts or ocd office, a ordinary defence, a ordinary yeah head .

scout yeah usually is the higher ups in the organization that are that are watching, that are in that room? Not always. I did a pictures formal, and I believe in and and bill was not in the room. I did achieve s formal interview. I think .

ice rome for now.

Oh my gosh. I think he was the chiefs.

Yeah, it's crazy.

Member was a roman channel was taught. Hai was .

coach mi .

o might have been.

And which one jumped out at ny?

All I remember was in the first interview, and I had heard to the grave and that they liked me a lot. That's, I think he was the chiefs.

I went around like, shook everybody's hand and I set their name after, shook her hand and I think I was just doing out of nerves and they're like, why are you saying our names after you? Why you just repeating our names after? I was like, it's just a tool that I used, like, remember people's names and then they're like, okay, what's my name? And I like, you got me.

So did not go well with not a good starting point. Then they proceeded to ask me about some anger issues I had and college apparently .

and one south or quick um great times yeah I think I had like .

you have one from the .

ravens that's one of my favorite got to be there at the combine I had some I had some bad interviews we are to talk about the patrons when where else trying to give belchik to crack a smile and yeah just didn't didn't and put in and after I tried just felt like he was an appeal battle.

From that point, a lot of these international, it's kind of interesting to see what teams what approached some teams go because some teams are gonna row up a play that what your favorite play, some teams are going to throw up a play that you might did really bad on and they wants you to cut yourself on this. You mean some teams, i'll threw up a play that's not even your film and they're just GTA talk about foobar and ask you what your knowledge is on this kind of concept or this kind of route here. I mean, it's it's cool to see what teams do, do what exactly? I know the cowboys and shout to coast gear, clever in ohio, baby, uh, represent northeast ohio up in the in the football world. The couples were they were kind of present me about, you mean, me having this red flag of this missing .

a year just can read.

And back in and I had I had just don't know how was I have at a bad morning what was going on. But that basically was just, I don't even know if I want to say this IT IT ended really fast. That meeting ended really fast.

And they're type fifteen. They're typically fifty minutes long. And I was in there for about five minutes. I specially just said, if you guys say, you know, i'm going to be that kind of guy or you're questioning, you know, if i'm still that person after everything that i've kind of battled through to get to where I am now from from missing a season, then you guys probably go somewhere else and pick somebody else .

and that is exactly what they they took your .

advice driven .

Gavin .

escobar gaven esco bar, who I thought was a study they were trying to find the the protestant or for Jason what Jason widen. Yeah and I botched that interview and um yeah well they had last last a few lots, a few dollars not to say that they didn't think Gavin was a Better player going into that interview. Yeah who knows what IT really was. But I didn't help myself with that.

And then no.

I did not help all the other meetings. I stayed a full fifteen minutes and maybe .

they left the like wall. This guy really has changed his ways. He's very comfortable now still .

not as good as gaban esca bar and feel like he .

was going to attack me.

I had like ten interviews, like the stealers was another one where I was IT was a really unique interview they had for what felt like everybody in the building in that room. And these are, the guys got to understand, these are hotel rooms. This is this entire, like gay, is that like convention center or slash train station, old train station, that they turned into a hotel room .

and they're keep in the train there.

Yeah, the train is like, the hotel room is crazy. So you go into this hotel room, very minimal, light, kind of dark. You know, either they have a TV in there or they are just interview. And you straight up and and I go to the stealers and I say, what up to mike tomlin we talk about, you know, since and bar cats and when he coached that since and ity, right? So i'm thinking this interviews is going great and everything you know, i'm killing IT at the time they got heat Miller and he's kind of given a little older and a bible man they might be looking to see if they get to tie in and and I chat you, of course maybe in the fact, can't be fucking serious ever. I sit there and you know those little like side lamps that are at the hotel, like those are the only lamps like the bed light lamps you mean that are it's just like this little like little on IT.

It's yellow.

Yellow light is not like a real like aggressive light. I'm looking at a pink. I know that face and it's just stand at me and it's pya mean as face man that looks like he's pace back there is not have any IT just clicks to me is like this that is that main do Green back there is that main do .

Green an an mean joe Green, something that looks like, of course, but that's awesome.

Everyone should. He's in one of the most iconic coco al commercials ever. I asked in the middle of me answering the questions, is that Green? Because that's kind of timing that he sit right under the light like that. Everybody kind of look back and I was no just crickets again .

and just no last didn't learn from that's next for processing how quick of a learners is. Well, still crack the jokes 在 这 八门 need to .

get funny or needs to shut the fuck up。 So yeah, there was that they get drag by either one of those two teams. I feel like I had like ten, twelve interviews and it's like you I don't necessarily know if you want interviews, the formal interviews here me because that means there are some questions that they need answered.

So if you want to, you want.

you want as meetings, as you need as a six one pic.

you only have two or three formal interviews. I think the more the guys who are getting a lot of the formal interviews got drafted a lot higher than I.

And honestly, when I got, I got in the room with the chief S, I had, I had a formal interview with the chiefs.

You did what?

They asked me football. They asked me a tom melvin, artizans coach. That was an in filly, you know, real well.

Tom was grilling me on some, you know, planting break steps on my routes, and I told him, me, you know, me, at the end of the day, I just got to catch the ball crew, the undamned know I to catch the ball and and time was, I hold, hold on. That's grew the fundamental because I mean, to hit my hand. So I was essentially saying, like, no matter what the fundamentals look like, ball hit my hand.

I want to kiss fucking ball. I love you. Grew the fan .

outside outside. Yes, the fam, I did IT. And I need to plan a Better plan, Better, Better. But at the end of the ball was in my hands and .

I dropped IT and I dropped, yeah.

So I just .

the just grew the .

front of I don't know if I actually said .

grew the point saying like in my head.

Balls in the air to get fucking talk, right? However, we got to make that happen. We got to make that happen. But I didn't even feel like like, honestly, honestly, I didn't even feel like they were really like interviewing me. IT felt like everybody knew you so well that he was just like, I interview the family members in just here.

I mean, he was almost like I was just in a room shop IT up with, like my extended family about football. You mean, like IT, IT didn't even feel like he was like a real interview and so I left that room like the sheer one they would just do and that just because of you mean one of their favor guys is little brother. I just wanted to have IT on the board make IT .

look like resort for Jason .

exactly little that no were they were looking at a tight end.

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This is a chance for them all to get your entire medical history in the way IT works. I mean, the whole day, a whole day, is nothing but medals. You need emi zed, you emerge. You need actually you get next is teams are group together, I think in groups of four, if that makes sense. And you fill out paperwork and you go into the room.

And I don't know why it's not all the same time, but each of those teams that in that room get a chance to move your hibs around, ask your questions, be a little bit more personal about your medical history, then you get that one checked off and and you get line for the next room and you do that. And so you're done with all thirty two teams. And um and actually, if you're not cleared at that one, which I wasn't, you weren't clear.

They're probably right.

I was not I was we had to go back and then it's two months after that. There's another what's I call the the medical day where you have to go back to an an applies to its a medical recheck.

I was I I was cleared, I was cleared. I was cleared .

because I post surgery. So I was .

ready out of surgery and everything. I just wasn't ready to do any of the combined stuff. I got cleared by everyone though.

I had ankle surgery. And then I also, I know we've said this before, but I had, depend, I is at the combines. I had to appendectomy to go back from multiple things. Get cleared. die. Yeah, not good.

So you go through the the team interviews, the medical day is a fucking drag. But that's honestly one of the days I remember the most because you're just sitting in line with your peers with guys that are going to the exact same scenario issue. I'm here just sitting there. Plane Johnson KO long sit in a line with those.

I remember we drafted lane Johnson, and he said, I met your brother at the combine. Remind of me as James dean. And I was saying what he was like. He was cause a cucumber. He was like, he thought you were the coolest thing.

You never fuck a dog right there. I I thought the same thing, lane, that man, those. But those are like the those are the moments in the memories and the stories you hear around the around college football that you know, you remember for everyone, which is kind the cool aspect of everybody doing IT in one building, one at at the same time as you get the kind of, you know, say what up to everybody that you've been watching the entire college career.

The other portion is obviously the unfixed drills and the testing I did the testing at the combined trave you did at your protest.

right? Yeah, I did select few. My protest. Make sure not to give them too much, if that makes any sense.

Fair enough. I actually really enjoy watching the testing.

I had so much fun watching and i'm glad and fell shows IT because it's IT gives you kind of an insight and just kind of get you to get lay your eyes on some guys without a uniform on in a helmet on a mean yeah.

I don't take that much away from IT like I do think I think I can tell when a guys running or moving or bending, there are certain guys that I actually will take away from the kind of like, I like the way that guy moves. I like the way he changes direction.

What gets you scout, Kelsey?

I see you down. I don't like when guys look robot, when a guy looks like he's fighting in the ground. I don't I don't care how fast is forty is i'm not to be a fan.

Just a reality of IT. I want smooth. I want silky smooth movers.

That's all I care about. You didn't like decay meca coming out.

I didn't like me honestly. I would not have like decay meca running style. And I I run very similar d cmf, just like a third of the speed .

and this similar body type.

of course.

But I W, I W, all my fucking said that that is like the silver dude in the terminator. The fuck you mean like that run that aggressive, just like hot, like he never gets tired. He's just keeps .

me faster, faster. It's like a machine. It's like jesus. It's like watching Adrian Peterson run back in the day, just like .

you like, I .

like you. So can you just be like, just run up everything .

to put that much force in the ground? D.

like, I remember watching lane Johnson move at his combat, not watching any of the there a lot of, there are a lot of ruthe roo tackles at year and athletic guys. The tron arms stead and I brought in the fastest forty. But there was something about the way lane moved.

The big number one was.

yeah, he was number one. And lujiazui and big lane was for, and I do think the different drills transition to different positions. The drills I really like for office of lemon are a guilty drills.

And I liked the radio, although I liked up mital, shorters, braga and IT made me feel less important about the project. Yeah, as bad. Everybody.

everybody is there. Here means strength. He makes up for a lot of the broad job and turns out how bigger and is his fundamental.

I mean, between him in line, there were the two block and right tackles for a long time. The reason I like the broad jam is because in order to have a good broad jump, you have to be able to have good hip mobility because it's part of IT is exploding out. But then the other part is being able to like to get the most distance. You have to, like, put your feet out and be able to catch yourself in a very football, A, A very flexible position.

athletic position. You mean, you listen, you know them all about them. Hips, good IT flexibility and point you and not over the guys they got to hips. And this is defending on the man. Obviously, ever situations different mean every situations different, but typically smooth and hips, mobile hips.

When I see guys like after alignment, I play with really wide basis. That's bad. You don't want to play with a White base, but i'd like that you can get to that wide base if you can't get there, if you can't move your hips um and with good flexibility, functional mobility.

I just I think this can be really, really hard to change direction in function at the love you're going to have to in the end film. And I think that's the same thing for receivers. Like, listen, I don't want you to be breaking all the time in this extreme position, but I like if you can do IT me.

I like if I like if your knees don't like. I don't like when I got looks like you a track runner at a combine I I like to do looks like he's a basketball player to combine. I want hips meze.

I don't care that it's inefficient. I wanted to be unpredictable. That's what I want .

more technical when IT comes, like the road running and stuff. I hate a lot how a lot of receivers run rose nowadays where instead of putting purpose force into the ground, it's kind of like they just like spin in place really fast. They don't bend very well and a lot of IT is just quick feet. You, I mean.

and you big drama guy, you big drama .

guy hate that high school.

Harry is so is terrible.

But at the same, if you don't know how to run around, that helps you understand that you need to work your arms with your legs going in and out of a break. And and i'm all for that. I think he needs to be in sink though you can just be appear and your feet aren't run in this fast. As mean.

i'll give you a prime example this we were doing the off season conditioning due where you got to go five yards, gravitate is ball. Come back ten yards, gravity, all. Come back fifteen yards, gravity ball.

Come back the receivers doing IT and he's like drum rolling in five yards to grab the ball and lane is just running. Put his foot down, something back and he did. And what are we doing?

Like full movement.

There's no point in doing the drummer role if it's slowing you down. The only reason you would do that as if I was going to help you get out your break or make IT a more unpredictable to the db where you were gonna AK, right? Like there's no sense in doing .

that otherwise. The the only time i'm really drum rolling is if i'm trying to fuck with the guy in front, if I feel .

like .

done.

I do to all hair coach l hair and x and felt great alhaji ter back. He was in kansas city for forever. And I and I did that like, overly like, showed a certain move on a double move, right? The first move was just super like, oh, i'm gona run a hedge, you mean in a hitch and go and he looked that if it's too good to be true, you not do that, he will fuck with you every time.

Yes, like, he's like yelling at the D. V. Like if it's too good to be true, do not bite. He is set your shit of every single time with here .

me was .

so funny. But yeah, now here is me at me schemed up back .

to the drills. I'm looking for hit mobility. I'm looking for ability to bend.

I'm looking for um a player that's running athletically, not mechanically, and i'm looking for a guy that can get to full extension inflection. That's what another reason I like the broad jump. I like slowing IT down.

If you're not just to see if you can get the full.

you're not jumping and getting fully extended out in coming back to me, that tells me that you're not you're not explosive. You're not a fluid athlete like you should be able to do this movement. And I want athletes. I sure I feel if you're gonna miss this one.

guys, I can play the game too.

This is all you're and .

is a like that goes into this year.

I think when you're in the later rounds where you're more worried about missing on a guy or you're not quite sure about the film being the best, i'm going to pick nine times at a ten if i'm a gm, the guy who is more athletic and not the guy who necessary times the best. I'm talking about the guy who I think is a Better all around athi because I just feel like those guys usually figure IT out they might not be probos.

They might not be like all prose, but if it's an athletic guy, he's going to be able to figure out special teams. He's going to be able to go in, in situations and I know is going to be reliable. I know what I have in a they're less injury prone.

So those are all the things that I like watching at the combine. There's nothing more. Where am I do this do to stiff or look at this guys running and it's like all hamstrings like he's not IT doesn't look right like right away unless it's like decay. Mec F A, perfect.

The U K, dk rec, f, and not be like you that like that. I like, I like what I just saw.

Should we retake the one to like?

Come in, I mean, I just want to see that you have been I would love to see. Well.

man, I think you're to do Better than you're Better at reading you you, I am always been a very slow reader.

You actually read though you red all the Harry potter books.

big six grade uh reading summer reading uh project I picked up uh Harry potter in the source, in the source stone I read them for six and house looked I read every book after that although if you have, have you ever read a book and realized that you are not pronouncing any other named correctly until the movie comes out like my time of never .

i've never done. I know what I should be .

I read all the Harry potter books before there was a movie which was like .

four Harry potter, Harry potter. Bi, I love her.

the names I had wrong. I had always thought I was high guard. I don't know how, why I thought I was high guard.

but it's IT outyears her money.

I really, really remember what I thought her money was. I, I was her own. I just gave up on that one. I was.

Sorry, well, back to sorry, sorry about that.

So yeah, let's retake the wonder. Important drills.

important drills, important details. I don't think there is really one specific drill that you can give a certain position. That's like I that's the one that you mean you've got to see there's so much you need to be able to do on the for ball field.

I like that they put some weight on the on the sleds so you can actually see who's like because we don't do that in kinda city. We just hit the slit like we're head the sled, we're hand the slid and we're working on fundamental are not trying to see you know how much power we can put into the sweat. But I think that's a good, good gage on who's who's putting power into the sled, making in making new mine.

making anything jump.

driving that force yes, like one of .

my least favorite because I feel like it's an unnatural grab but agree, IT is a very good gage for applying force into the bag and it's a good thing to see what I can do.

Yeah and then um I like to see the garland, I like to see the gotland. I like to see that when you get like seven quarter bags thrown you football, you're run in .

from like sideline .

side line line on the side because what IT does IT and makes you keep in moving. You have to find the next football, find the next emme. I think guys get hit in the face. I think guys.

de put .

you a hat. Sea real quick. Some guys don't know which way to turn. I figured who got hit the face, man, and somebody got hit the face off the rip. Either way, I like to see those two drills to see how flew and gas are catching the football and how much, you know what their pace looks like when they're pushing in the sled, things like that.

The other two drills that I really like are the a drill, a guilty drill, the three cone in the twenty old shutter. And it's not so much for time. I remember what the coaching points were for me when I was running that. So I like to see the strategies or lack there of of gas like I don't think a lot of people realized to to have a good twenty. Our shuttle time is less about running IT as fast as you can and more .

about hitting the steps.

steps and breaking .

points like purpose .

movement yeah like if you go four steps and touch that line and come back costs up, you're going to be faster doing that drill. And if you have to take six because you're not being coordinated with your movements, even if it's faster, you might get the line quicker doing six, but you're not going to come out of the line as fast. You're not going to break out as quickly.

I remember I would run that train, our shuttle, and I was, if I run as hard as I could, i'd be somewhere in the four forth, maybe five, four, three. But when I hit every step, I was always low for two, sneak into the four ones. Like you run four steps and you don't run, you stay lateral because you don't want to have to turn your hips again. Like the two turns are the biggest timesaver s on that drill.

one hundred per.

So like if you can maintain your hip square, hit that line seven steps this way on your seven step plant .

left IT down out. There's no way .

you remember this.

I remember I I.

but I just remember on your six step. So you, you, you stay square shuffling basically, but an aggressive when you plant with your right foot, you want your right foot to be in front, in your left, so that when you come out, you don't have to come back out, crossed your hips. You, I mean.

yeah, I know this. Mean.

when you get down there, you want two, three, four, five, six step, you want to be turning and already, yeah so that you're ready .

to take turns. You cheat the turn to cheat your hips, and then all you got to do bring your torso around with your .

elbows and then and positive shine angle, you're going to come out. There are good.

ladies gentlemen, purposeful movement by jasie cali. If if you do this thing with the steps, it's all about fundamental city. That's what time, melvin, we're starting to tell me.

And I screwed up the three codro because I tried to do IT in less steps, but I wasn't good enough to do IT in less steps. I tried to do IT the way receivers do IT, but too fat. And I had a big gut. So I jumped. I learning, jump in my three home, only in Better if I would have just started in a right foot stands.

That was when you hand a peniche. And then now, now that that's out.

that is not true. Now that that's out, I could .

probably do IT in three steps. So what was IT like going back now? Twelve year veteran in the nfl best center ever play the game.

Going back to the combine, how much other do you think is just a joke? Or what did you get to take away from him? Yeah, I so now that .

you're a vector and I do think that the combine is a little bit like not overnight, but now there's you realize that at the end date all comes down to your film and what you do at on the field. And you know you want as long as you get an opportunity to prove that, that's what you want um and you realize how much other teams kind of is not the only thing going on.

The comment as a player participating, you think it's all about the guys that are out there run in the drills being evaluated. When you go back there, you find out, oh, these guys are just hanging out and bullshit all day like it's basically just a big networking convention where, I mean, how many deals get done in that little bar at the bottom of the mariot. I'd be really curious to know or .

at least where the Spark starts.

You reme. yeah. And there's a lot of guys there.

I just found this out this past weekend that don't work for a team like a lot of them just there looking to get hired, that there's a lot of guys that are looking for work that go to the combine because I know all the coaches and people are going to be there, so they are going to go show their face and hope when a job opens up that are going to get a job. So yeah, much different experience, not being a participant. Um I thornly enjoyed IT.

I've got to see a lot of people and a lot of coaches and um a lot of guys that I played with that are now coaches, not to mention all the wonderful people that I got to interview, including the guy that we're about the judy. sure. Now so you've heard non combine experts give their thoughts on the combine.

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My how's a good what to see you? Ah, it's bit a minute. Yeah.

I guess we will start right off. I get all the dumb questions out of the way. Does the common matter what? Yeah what do you take away from the I think IT does .

I think you gotta na know what IT is and take IT for IT is I think there's people say, like this is a domestic ever. IT has. No, no, I don't believe that. And I think there's other people that put too much into IT. But you know, I always looked at the teams I was on a lot times.

We had club players where you had maybe it's three like corners that you kind of have together in that third round, you have the same grade on them and you now you get to see him in the line out there working out in the same field. Maybe that little bit separates one or two of those guys. So that's kind of what I think the value is just to kind of separate those columns.

What is the most meaningful part is the on fuel drill that everybody sees watching IT. Is the meetings in the teams of the players. Is that the medical? Because that's what the combine used to be IT used to be just medical right here the day.

That's the biggest thing. okay. So like for for example, for scout, you come in for the draft meetings um in december and then we come back after the command after the product and like you have guys position on the board and .

you come back and .

you like ck I I like metal medical god, they drop a guy down. There are some other guys you put the holding tank on there, okay? We get to see all the medical shakes out pass.

So we're good. So that has the most impact. But i'd say it's different with different positions like counter backs. S the meetings obviously huge. Your position, the meetings are going to be huge yeah um and then corners you know how they run this kind of a big.

big deal, pretty deal. Are there any drill for specific, I guess, positions that you are like this is a really important role for that position you really home in on when those guys to do in that?

Well, I I think probably from being around jm wash or that time, I just mean the hoops always just seen how guys can bend. You know, can you really corner? Think that for past research is is something you can hold in on. You learn a lot. It's if you're tight, it's going .

to get get .

exposed in that.

sure. If you stuff, you are over between band and you can and you don't have the ankle flesh to get up a good position, you're gona struggle off. And the line or the line for an any edge russia that can get low and maintain the speed .

coming around that thing like miles gear doing that drill on the freak things i've .

we practice against him this year yeah and he went against Jordan, lot of who is an unbelievable tackle. yeah. IT was so wanting is the first day we were out there, uh, miles was out there. I think he had some family thing going on.

And Jordan unbelieved the practice and the neck day in miles only did won on ones yeah and he did exactly you're saying he bent to who at the size and speed that he is and everyone right away was like, wow, that is very different. In fact, job tonio s because I wasn't practice was jersey because I said you job I like can you believe we're like the same like he's a human. I like a super yeah no it's not Normal yeah and and the funnest thing we're watching tape after practices and start like jan, you're turn in in your vents yeah look at that's of my favorites. It's like we're going to you're expected to maintain perfect technique .

in you see super freak, he is absolutely per recent. He was coming out. I was talking to one of the coaches at A N.

M. Just to get back. And the tape was what I was. He was the best player by far but like, he seems like can talk to him so mild manner. Like like he have a button that you push.

Like does he ever get to that point? And he goes, he's playing by basketball in high school and they're lost. I was a state chAmber trip for a big game and he's like, we come in and he goes right into the locker and all hadn't certain. We just do this noise any goes. He had grabbed the stalls by each side, one on the earth, one side, and just pulled the entire stalls down, just snapped them, snapped off the wall, both sides on the ground, and they came to switch.

He's good ability doesn't just come out of nowhere but yeah, that's that's unbeliever. There's a few guys you watch and you just like mean that guys show different.

What about A D, what about an Donald?

So iron, luckily I do not have the blocking one. I won that often. You usually outside russian a guard. But same thing that the level of quickness, I always think, for defence, align the best defend alignment out. There are guys that have speed empower.

If you only have speed, the things you can do to kind of you know guarding and that if if you're for next player, you can go with a little bit White hands on your punch. You can do things that you can bake them into certain like areas right to like pushing where in years ago yeah um if you only a power and sit down, sell out on. But we have bold.

It's hard it's really, really hard to maintain baLance. And for me, especially being undersize guy, I I lean a little bit not a stop power. I have to.

And I think A D has all of IT. He's got the unbelievable tridge. He's one of the few three techniques that can win consistently rushing side of the government.

The most really, really good three technical measures are either going to through the guard or doing a quick move inside. Yeah, get him early here. Him Chris Jones is only a handful guys are like winning, unlike outside hand, wipe some of as a free technique and somehow making you going to be.

and you have never Prices to do that. When I was in volto, martie's Prices there.

and I was live freaky, if you can do that, IT opens up so much for you to do to the guard, because then the guards, I mean, I gotta move out there now. Then I create separation and a gaps look but bigger it's so I think A D and then just being relate less yeah like is that the .

most I want ask kind of question because I feel like like the most underrated aspect of .

the past or player truly special yeah and you run to the ball, you're gonna be around IT. And even when you combine that with like unbelievable physical traits, it's it's a pretty good recipe. And is he just relentless?

He's like a bulldog down there that just is mad and angry. I am. I.

leave. You're the best player in the in the nm. bell. I'm going to fly to you every time like what you not school.

you rule in the game and let's I want actually know this getting question that i'm hi jack and this .

for selfish Better when it's a diet or .

because to me, like you have a debate this year as well, you've got a premier edge guy and you've got a premier interior guy in terms of them an offence of lying stamp. You're get ready the game. You know who you're up against one week, this guy one week is the guy out there what's .

more difficult to navigate around. So um I think a premier edge player forces the office to structurally help IT more like you're going to do formations that took us in front of them. You're going to chip more with either a tighten, preferably or running back. You're going to design place that are going to mess with them a little bit more. Yeah, it's harder to do that at d tackle. You can still do IT, but I feel like d tackle it's um it's just you the best thing you can do a slide tall yeah there's not really a cheap I mean, some team will try and chip like a running back here to big up and that rare. So if you have a really monstrous detached, especially you I mean, if you if you're building five nine france, if you're blitzing a lot for me to slide that every time, like we're given up, like that's really over year all day, yeah. And like if we don't have like either a hot answer away from him or in if you move them around, like if if you play, not if if you're an over front all day, every day and you can guarantee and be to the tight and you can do something specially yeah but especially on third down, you mix them up, you do the overload fronts, you blitz uh every once in a while that I have to be honest with where i'm put in the protection. It's harder in my opinion and a plush and be saying, no, no, it's harder to uh structurally do something for a detachable you're doing so .

this is why I think and I know you know we both know how we really well. But I think the personal department coaching staff that don't communicate well and I I would had players in there like I think there's more or i'm not saying you bring in players and like they're going to pick to see who are taking the draft. But information like that, when you're sit there in the second round and you got equally graded edge russia, equally graded difference of tackle like that information knowledge from your players and from your coaches, I feel like there's a lot of organizations that don't communicate that.

But but I will say I don't there. There's only at a given time, maybe like two or three, maybe four detaches that are like that level disruption. There's more guys at dn because most of the best actually decided to you. So in a given year, there's more guys probably that devens event, the position I were gonna have that impact. I give A D this year decor law .

and certainly no, yeah.

I think all of those, those just like the guys I can think a very long time. And there have been like run stopping, like pass rushing, like these guys as we have to make sure we know over at all times. And we're affecting everything because of that other guys that are really, really good. It's like, okay, we're gonna some things, but we're not going to let IT consumers um where as defense event, I think every week, you're kind of like everything is gone to the point where every team has pretty much good at russia. This like they're all investing in that there's great players coming out every year like it's it's so the point now that you can even have a bad, but you used to be like you had to have a locked down left time, just be like a big run blocking right tag and it's just not the casing. You have to have two .

premiere tackles to play on the right side. yes.

And i'm so happy for like when Johnson and then he started to the credit that he's deserve for a long time. Uh, it's for years, all the credit went to the left side guys and they were wants to make the pro ball and it's still pretty dominate the left side. But know michell shorts something there there's some right tales and really, really good that didn't get the accolades probably they deserve because they were right side guys even though they were doing the same thing against unbelievable yeah is there anybody this week that you're really excited to watch 家长 的？

Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no. There is my week. Have a lot of the order of throne.

So bright Young is the best one in my opinion. At alama he's undersize. He's not going to work out. Here is some wait day but all the other guys throw so .

and and .

people yeah that Normal every the product so to see him and look, everybody gets kind of Carry away at this ball sale. I don't care about that. They don't know these receivers. There's no timing. You not looking at that, I want to see how they move around a little bit their foot work and then you can just see all the ball comes out their hand.

You know, in scouting, we always say you need to go see corner bag through alive because you can watch a montage, but you don't know and i'm sure you've seen and even, you know, okay, you you look across the field and if you haven't seen just through a foobar live like it's different, man, however good whatever looks like, I take a different when you see that in person and IT works the other way sometimes too. So just getting to see the ball come out handle little bit. That's always fun.

There's there's a kid anthy Richard son from florida. It's going to be six four to thirty five. I don't know he's gonna run, but he's like a legit four four guy like he's crazy yeah it's got eighty art run, sixty eight runs in the sec is a quarterback and then he's got he's got a huge ARM. So kind of look, ford to see him.

It's when you say you have to like be there to see some these guys there because I I watch Michael VC play my entire childhood, then the first time ever did to practice with them and watched him through a ball. And like the whip, do I get like the end, like the last, like little spending on IT I do this is insane. Like how fast? And like it's like being shot out of something. No, it's not just like somebody just stoned. It's different and it's hard to how to explain that.

I guess. So I member being there for those practices and remember the long touch down to the shaan against washington, right? So I want to get your side of that story because i'll give you my is slightly different.

So i'm scouting for the eagles on on the west coast. I just got back from like a road trip from home. Mean my problem.

I'll go to the nicest fantis restaurant ever seen. P F jx, simple. Like, so we're in there and we're in the bar.

We're watching the game and it's like we've just settled in and watching the game. And Norman, it's you. I work for the team, but no cheering the press box.

You kind of take that mentality, right? Y uncork, that one first by the game. yeah.

And I lost my mind. Everybody in the P. F. Changes looking around. Like, do this is like the biggest eagles friend of all time. Like, no idea that I work with these guys that one still want the .

best football have ever seen yeah I was combining probably the two best players and that spit like very few quarterbacks throw a deep ball like my good yeah and I don't think to this day, I mean, I didn't play with a watching the sonja and tracked a ball. IT was unit was like an outside if and he played baseball makes sense.

When you really think about IT, he tracked like Willy major, like some one of these all time great outfield of attractive and he would kick into like another gear, like he would be running step reset with the dv. Michael threw IT up and he would just like, up. H man gone. yeah. And yeah, that play was like, like, like, okay, we got some here.

yeah. I scared a lot of people in that restaurant at that night. I can promise you that.

So you talked about the time I kind of separate guys that are close. Yeah, yeah. How many guys is that actually like changing out of this week? Is most of this I guess I have this question first. When is like a draft board start to be assembled? When is IT like actually teeth like that already happened and then the combined this kind of happening after that started?

yeah. So the first board will go up in december. And that's like others books about this, right, is you want to anchor IT you wanted so that you don't have these wild swing.

So once you put them up on the board and you've kind of got them in your ranges, IT makes IT more difficult than to have the wild swings like one. People call the spring like the fog of confusion like this. We're not playing football, so let's not get too Carried away from what we thought of these guys coming off the football season.

Come off the tape so you get the board up there. But what happens a lot times, if you look at your board, so say you've got your positions across this way, then you've got the grades going down this way. So if that's the image of the board, well, we might have, say its center, right? So we have center.

Instead of stacking them on top of each other, we might have two or three of them that we put next to each other. And so okay, we have the same grade. We're not going to say this guys Better than that guy.

We're going to say these guys are all together. They're traveling now. We're going to go to the all star game.

We're going to to combine and we're going to interview and bring in the facility if we still haven't figured that out. And per day, everything else. And then you have more guys watch IT coaches come into the process a little bit later. Yeah um and so they get to watch him and then you can okay, now we can start separate those guys.

How does evaluating like the level of a player while also factors the position and the value of that position? Factory, right? So like you might have an unbelievable dominant center will keep you in center for some reason.

I love that. I love center. Center talk I love.

But obviously quarterback is a the most important. So how do you evaluate like this game changing level center, or like the best thing would seen the last five years yeah verses like a top five every year .

quarter back yeah see IT um at a couple different positions this year because you know running back is the popular one yeah because people you know you find running back to anyway, we saw seventh and pic but then i'm time like they're sn guys are different. There are some n guys are special. If you think you have agent and Peterson, you know everyones to make fun. If you taking agent .

and Peterson the first.

let me make fun of like texas to me. They're running back this year. Robinson, he's my fourth highest greater player and whole draft.

Yes, I saw you had a mark to potentially filled out.

I talked about, I think about, I said, I said, look, I was never, never gonna happen. Never, ever gonna happen. I've been there. I know IT ah off the ball line backers and running backers not getting picked in the first round. They don't believe in yeah and you guys have continued to invest in the trench and its paid off.

But I do think there's exceptions every now and then there's a difference making player is a freak man and the thing is like on running back to go back to that, like don't don't waste their careers. So if we acknowledge and we all can acknowledge the shelf lives, not real long position. So if you say have four, five, maybe six years of a really good player running in back, don't you want all those Carry the matter? If you get a really good team, then you know, it's not like you're saying, i'm I have became taking the run back over a past russia quarterback if you don't have one. But if you ve got a lot of those pieces in place and you are really good team now, you take a premier running back like everyone of his Carrier is going to matter if you're a relevant team right now.

yeah. And when you do have that guy, he is an enormous difference makely. We've seen that either with a polar we an obvious ly and equating his .

prime look at the jets this year like that's my argument for people talking about the running back and look at the .

jets with breeze hall and look at without breeze hole the like the position right on the quarterback is like this guy to be like a game changing to now it's like there's almost nobody picking .

in the first and and they look, the other side of the coin is you're finding him day three running backs every year that are really good. That is D.

D. I think it's going to hurt him.

I think this the position value and the fact that there's depth of the position, it's one of those deals where if you talk to everybody in the league to all agree .

he's a great player, nobody can agree on when they think he's gonna go. What enables I guess maybe a vel watching a there's no way I would have thought he would have lasted ten years yeah because he Normally .

was fast violent physical violence.

like most of those guys are not less than that long. Is that just kind of like a crap shooting some ways like you get lucky.

Yeah I would say indian people is like in this own world like I mean, I think probably when they look back on the game twenty years now, he's going to be one of those guys who know these are big names are you're talking about like boat jacks and like like those guys just looked there are different.

There are not nobody y's the next Adrian Peterson, okay is one of one yeah um so he was his own thing but like shady was he was more quickness based. He didn't take a lot of punishment, and then he wasn't just a peer feedback because these guys are gonna lose a step as they get older. That was never. He was like a four five, mid four five guys coming out.

His strength was elusive. Like, like.

like he in space.

like if you look back at the same, I know it's the most my boy thing. Like breaks everything. Any football has ever taught you about boah from five points .

of pressure to two points of pressure.

And I think that that let is someone that a elusiveness though like I mean, when you're all he's playing baseball, he was always out there crossing eyes over in on a hundred percent.

But I mean, that is interesting when you think about the know the value of the positions. So this year, like ten of my top fifty players or edge rusher s to what you are saying earlier, there is a lot more edge rushes in to your defensive lemon. So this interesting because you say while there's a lot of them, maybe I can wait, but it's such a premium position that they're going to all go, man.

they're be a huge run. I feel like it's easier to see guys that are put in one on one positions and are pretty scheme independent on whether they succeed to argue like like a deven event if a deven event is consistently beating and orphans o yes, he's got great measure. Ables pretty .

easy to be like that quarter back.

You know what is the open like good. Does he have good receivers? Like is the coach putting in a good positions like I feel like with every level of variables that added is is IT harder to evaluate that player and White is good or bad. It's sense it's .

courter backs the hardest thing to get right. I think in scouting and I have buddies in all different sports yeah a valid correct because two things. It's it's a dependent position as you mention your dependent all these other things.

So what happens is you can overcome the guy. He's got a unbelieved offence of line stone to three White, right? So now i've graded him too high.

And then you've got a josh Allen who's that wowing who's got a couple bankers and farmers in front of them for throwing to guys ever going to play beyond college yeah and he's played against organ and iowa. And so maybe we don't give him credit for doing what he's doing with who he's playing what that's why it's so. And then thing is, so that's college yeah and where .

you go in the other fell yeah guys that are proceed bus, they go some place .

else they could have been hundred percent right. I filled co or kansas city like, I think this guy, a real player think .

about that all the time with the lens of limits and like, man, there's no way some of these guys aren't good players like you see him and you like if I feel like you yeah, I know bias because I been up for a long time. But like situation coaching system, where if you're the right foot for IT players around you, like all that goes in to be a good player and having a successful crew.

Now if there are scheme independent guys, and those are harder to find later in the draft future. Cox, no matter what he went, was gonna pretty dark. good. I don't even know how you begin to evaluate guy who is so dependent on other government.

It's impossible. It's flip on a coin. But the you on the offence of lifetime of IT, when I was involved, more the worst thing like you, you're all sitting in the room.

We've all grades. We've ve ve got on the record. It's all been printed out in the book that owners, and there you can see the grades and stuff.

And so a lot time, you know a guy gets picked, a guy you thought stunk, you have a friend, girl, he gets picked in the third round. You like guys thinks like you can play. If we had an offence of nine minute that you had a free agent grade done and he went to the courts.

we do all be like, crap.

Howard mothers guy has been to start for years. Like, like, what god you would see? See the scout room.

Just go. Like me. yeah. Like, kill the van.

Kl devan. Like, he is a free agent. He day, yeah, these guys all play forever.

How about this? So like he said, Howard kind of change the way he viewed off. Like, how would was kind of in some ways ahead of the like he had just wanted athlete, yeah. And in india, they had really good lines, obviously filled after we were great lines. And IT changed the way, I guess, how we said that here.

And of element, there was no difference. He was, that was the first one I talk to who said, like we were in meetings with something and somebody made the common of like, he's a right tackle only and who's like that's not how the league .

works in he saw first in any an apples of madison ah the two .

of them and yeah .

then you obviously you were scout with the eagles when I first got to filled out via you said you have .

the scaling import I do and um given mind it's a terrible miss but but here's the story so how we one of things how we would do, and i'm sure he still does IT. And we still talk about players this day, maybe a couple weeks before the draft and he said, hey, I want you to look at these four interior offence of lemon and the under the impression these are death, like later pick day, three offence of them. So four guys, yeah.

So the first three guys are terrible. okay? And you, and you're really good. Obviously you were two hundred eighty pounds i'm sure you've told the story sick and so but i'm out california, I don't know who you are is not much two hundred and eighty pounds center. But I like he's infinite than these other guys so i'll give i'll give me the end of my report here that says aren't overall, there are other centers, this draft class that are ahead of him right now, but he has a higher ceiling than all of them. And the right scheme, he'll start for us in two to three years.

So but I gave you, but here's a thing so I so that's the best I think anybody gave you.

I think I T I really put there like we'll take this guy in the fifth round. He's a first ballot future hall of fame. Like he's not a fifth round pic.

oh, well, you you were given me more credit than anybody else was at the time. So I appreciate.

No, you out you stood like a sort thum. I was I was ready for for travel too. I didn't have his report, yeah, but I was my first year in the media and I had him behind effort in earth. Then he was. So I missed over to those.

Especially you, what you, the media.

so true story with bolt more for four years. And then cleveland gives me a promotion to go with their national scout. So I go to cleveland year we go ten and six.

The next year we go four and twelve. We all get fired like part of business. So I have eighteen months left in my contract.

Um I have offset my contract. So wherever I go and to work for free for the next year. So I got off the job of the cardinal s and i'm like trying to explain my wife how this works. Like, so I can stay home and we make this.

and or I can go be gone .

on the road for one hundred fifty days. And then.

and as I like .

talking like this makes no sense, right? So let's take this year off, let's I want to start a twitter page and like see what happens because I was like i'd been curious in the media stuff. So I start that IT blows up but takes off because this is early twitter like there's no scouts on there and like fantasy football people asking your question.

So this this blows up. I get a broadcasting agent. I started doing stuff with asp n and I think, okay, i'm going to go on the and the media and then the lacy's happens.

And people don't think about what, not just what the like that impacts networks like there's a hiring freeze and not hire me, but if you don't know, there's going to be any games. So now my Randy lean, sweet, sweet Brown's contracts get ready to run out. H scholars just about to come do.

Um so then I was like a crap and this the media thing, I haven't got a full time job. I I am just kind of db in with this stuff. So then I went and talk to a couple teams with the pages in the eagles and then taking the job with the eagles.

So i'm in filly and in half way through my second year, the broadcast in you I have not talked to in eighteen months, I think that ship sailed. Ah he's like, hey uh E S P N and N A film and network want to hire if you're interested and get not a scouting and coming into broadcasting. And I like h wow, okay.

And then so I end up meat with them kind of on the slide, never told how we that during the year. And then I got offered a job in a food fun. And I feel network want to me to start right away.

And like I got to get to the draft. I can't leave before the draft. So we do the draft, the fletch draft. I think twelve and and a literally that night after the draft, I went in the house is office and was like him and i've got this opportunity.

Can I just I want to give you a couple days and are trying for your things out and then talk to my wife and we're like, this is going to a be Better for us just as a family. My kids are get no I don't to miss their games. Um and the network was close to my house. I would have to move a connectin. So I ended up making that move.

That's crazy. What what does nobody know about scouting? What is what was was the traveling was at the harsh part.

Man, it's a brutal. It's so brutal. Like, that's a thing. And I see, like, guys, I start with side.

My first year was an old three, so I become over twenty. These combines. And you see guys, and I do. These guys are still on the world like how know how they do IT man, like I just couldn't do IT it's it's a rigged but um now I often get asked, like what's the number one thing you've learned from scouting? And I have a very serious answer to that and that is if you're ever on a road trip and you have to go to the bathroom, if you got to start book, you're more on you don't want to a gas station. You're not sub human like you can't do that yeah you need to find what is you find the hotel, right? And the lobby hotel bathroom is the most pristine bathroom on on the face of the earth.

You go there, you go in there.

The lady at the front test. Hey mary, this is a room that this guy checked earlier. I don't know. You go back, use the facility. You might didn't get a cook.

The door I am for sure still is. I as everybody watched IT is and starbucks. Yeah, I think the coffee shop bathroom problem quite heavily used. We appreciate you coming in. And no, my graduation to you.

man, to look not only what you and rather than players, which is been incredible, but for you guys, let me doing this. It's, it's awesome. man. Thank you.

So I have a blast and keep doing for as long as people keep.

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so that's our danger of my interview. You thank you so much for, uh, join in the show DJ. Uh, he was awesome to have you on and reminds gave me my scatter report. How about that? Would you think I .

thought he was also, I think he was spot on with you got a lot of questions for your DJ on how you thought I was the third best tighten on the board. We had a few. We had IT was a good tight class.

IT was a good tighten class class. So I can be made at that. There was even a few titans I got taken after me that had had a pretty good career .

got .

taken after john red read out of Flora and is a dog rens routs set up.

I wasn't the only person that had tiger effort in exactly trade above you.

You're right. Then I have to live with that for the rest of my life.

You don't have to live with that. IT worked out great in the city, playing with eighty. I was not even the first center drafted to the field of eagles that year. So sorry, Julian inventively was a guard center that was taken in the fifth round. I was drafted in the six room.

Well, can't keep a Kelsey boy down. Tell you what, I would love to know what he thought Tyler exacted Better than me.

Well, they probably interviewed Better based on what you said. Your interview, like .

Daniel wasn't in those interviews. Now we're just playing in telephones. sea. I knew .

that these these guys on TV are .

just going ought. Well, they went to class so they know how at least conduct themselves in a fucking room. Me over here, just well, like it's a little too quiet here.

Guys want to hear a joke that end up .

the one thousand tyre. I R was a proboscideans, got banked up and had deal my injuries that this has never got Better for me, only me that there's a lot of fortune that comes in to being, uh, not even just a successful site, but you are mean like a guy they get to ten years like there's this game is really lucky game that puts a lot of strain, a lot of stress on on your body man, that's by all means not what i'm saying.

I'm not trying to take shot at either earth effort or any the other tight advanced mcc Donald, get an ice cuba. Any other guys that went before me or after me? You don't mean i'm just saying in my mind, do you think them Better than me? That's all as I just wanted name curious DJ.

do you think you are the number one tied on kansas city y's board that year?

Oh my god, I wanna know. No, I I have to. John dorce.

I think we ve got to go the head. Oh, just go on.

I think which was a scout, which was was a scout.

which was a scout and the and one, D. K, we ve got to ask the headman himself.

Big rad.

I mean, i'd love to get him on the show.

He codes service. You want to come on, show what you say you want? Do you want to go get a burger?

How do you?

One of those like like when you are call in ground men, I hope this goes of a voice meal, I hope because the voice mel DJ, thank you very much for for sit down with my big brother talk in little comment and the scouting world then all the madness in india weekend we appreciate a big time and thank you for put put me in my place and telling me i'm not shit. I appreciate that to help me kind of fees the fire even more today.

ten years later. It's good to know that sometimes you and you suck.

you just suck. I don't think that. I think there's .

a lot that goes to be in a hydrated c as a lot of guys that end up being a great players that are hydrated picks. And it's just the part of the imperfect nature that is the nfl l draft. And IT certainly turned up for both of us. And DJ, you're the man brother is good that raps up the combined edition of new heights and make sure you subscribed on youtube um to the new heights channel. So you know when new episodes and content is being dropped, listen to describe ever your tripod case and I make sure you check out the official merch, including the new merch over at amad docs.

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