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Trump's Iran Strikes: Triumph, Stalemate or Setback?

2025/6/26
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Jason Rezaian: 我认为特朗普总统试图先声夺人,控制舆论,在没有充分评估损害的情况下就声称摧毁了核设施。这种做法在一定程度上奏效了,因为媒体迅速跟进,但实际情况可能并非如此。我个人对伊朗政权没有好感,但这次袭击让我感到一丝安慰,因为这表明伊朗的防御能力可能一直被高估了。 Robin Wright: 过早评估损失程度有风险,因为如果特朗普总统的说法不准确,会显得他夸大了任务成果。此外,特朗普在北约会议上可能会夸耀美国的军事行动,如果实际损害不如预期,会削弱他的形象。此次行动的真正目的是让伊朗重返谈判桌,讨论如何限制伊朗的能力和意图。虽然伊朗可能希望谈判,但我们可能仍停留在军事行动前伊朗是否可以进行铀浓缩的问题上。 Jim Sciutto: 我认为这完全是一场人为制造的戏剧。特朗普的胜利在于,没有美国总统做过这样的事,他向伊朗发出了强烈的信号,表明美国愿意采取军事行动。特朗普创造了一种戏剧,如果有人挑战他,即使是国防情报局,他也会全力反击。此次事件也为伊朗争取了一些时间,让他们决定是否愿意重返谈判桌。总的来说,特朗普政府的行动旨在向伊朗传递强烈的信号,并迫使其重返谈判桌。

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President Trump’s decision to bomb Iran shocked much of the world — but America’s involvement was over almost as soon as it began, and so far, it hasn’t sparked a broader war, like so many feared. 

So how did we get here? Was the bombing a success? Will the ceasefire between Israel and Iran hold? Is the regime in Iran any closer to collapsing — and if it did, would that be good? Finally, what’s the long term solution to the nuclear issue? Kara gathers a trio of experts to grapple with these questions, and more. 

Jason Rezaian is the Director of Press Freedom Initiatives and a writer for The Washington Post’s Global Opinions. He was the Post's correspondent in Tehran before he was unjustly imprisoned by the Iranian regime, and he’s the author of Prisoner: My 544 Days in an Iranian Prison).

Jim Sciutto is CNN’s chief national security analyst and the anchor of The Brief with Jim Sciutto. He’s also the author of The Return of Great Powers: Russia, China and the Next World War).

Robin Wright is a contributing writer and columnist for The New Yorker and a distinguished fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. She’s the author of several books, including The Last Great Revolution: Turmoil and Transformation in Iran), and Rock the Casbah: Rage and Rebellion Across the Islamic World).

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