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We're going back to Indy PFT. And I know we didn't have a show on Wednesday. And oh, how everything changes in two days because we had one of the greatest performances in Tyrese Halliburton on Tuesday night with a triple-double, 15 assists, zero turnovers.

And then he had a, is it a triple single? I don't know what you'd call it. Yeah. The story of the night was that the humble New Yorkers took the big Sydney and Appalachian shit talk personally. Yeah. They heard a lot of it in Indy. Memes got to hear it firsthand. And New York had a great game. The two sweetest words in the English language, game six,

Yeah, we get another one. I'm excited to see this series go down. I was willing to trade a shitty game tonight for the possibility of a more meaningful great game later. It wasn't a great game tonight. The Knicks came out. They had something to prove. It never really felt that close. The Pacers came back a few times here there, but then Jalen Brunson kind of stepped on their throats in the third quarter.

And from that point on, it felt like the Knicks never – they kept their eye on the ball, never really lost control, never really let Indy get close enough to do one of their crazy-ass end-of-the-game comebacks.

So I'm okay with having a game where there's not a lot of lead changes, not a crazy comeback at the end, as long as it means that maybe in one of the next two games, we might get one of those. Yeah, we get a game this weekend, which we weren't going to have because we're going to talk about the Thunder going to the NBA finals when we get back in studio in a minute. So we now have a game Saturday. We saved another day of inside the NBA, although...

I'm still confused. I feel like they're doing it next year. Yeah, last year was the time when we had the funeral for it, when everybody got up and said some nice words, and it was a very somber affair. But then they announced that ESPN was going to be licensing it. I don't know. NBC is doing the Jordan thing. So Inside the NBA will be around. It's just going to be on a different channel. But it's still going to be there. So, yeah, but I'm happy we get another game. It did feel like the Pacers –

We're kind of going through the motions tonight. They shot like shit. Hal Burton. This was a great. Actually, you know what? I'll say this.

We were lucky we didn't have a Wednesday show because these 48 hours were narrative building hours. I was consuming sports media. There was the Tyrese Halliburton is a superstar. He's the face of the league. He's next up. And Jalen Brunson is a liability. And he can't keep him out there because of defense. And he's not a winner. And if you just skip the – if we don't do a Wednesday show, which we didn't do –

It all kind of evens out because Hal Burton was not good tonight. He was bad tonight, and this is kind of the knock on him is that he has nights like Tuesday, which are out-of-this-world good, complete engine to an offense and does everything correct. And then you have nights like tonight where he doesn't really – you can't really tell that he's out there. And Jalen Brunson had a night like tonight where he's like, there's no way we're losing this game. So narrative flipped, but we don't get –

old takes exposed because we never had a narrative on Wednesday. It's pretty good. You're right. I was ready to get real reckless with the takes because I was listening. I was ready. I was listening to all the sports media. I was listening to every show and hearing what they were having to say. People saying that he's just too small to win basketball games. Yep. Like we're forgetting that we're in the we're in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Correct. And in large part due to Jalen Brunson's play in the playoffs. He's been really, really good. Of course, like he's not the best defender in the world, but that's okay. A lot of players don't play that great defense. But we were buried. As a society, we buried Jalen Brunson in the last two days. I'll even give you – I'll give you a sneak peek as to one thing I was going to say if they had lost tonight just to kick the conversation to higher gear. I was getting ready to ask the question –

Were the Dallas Mavericks also correct to let Jalen Brunson walk and lowball him at a $55 million offer? And is Nico just the smartest GM in the history of the world for letting both Jalen Brunson and Luka get out of town? I was ready to get that spinning up. But again, we didn't have a show, so luckily I never said that. I was going to get reckless as well. On the other side, I was going to say, is Tyrese Halliburton the best player in the Eastern Conference not named Giannis?

But I didn't. I didn't say any of that. So we're good. But it's an interesting thought to have. I think we might have the conversation at some point. When his dad's in the building, he is. He does this. So again, he's still a very young player. And it's not like I'm saying he's bad, but he...

I think to take that next step, you can't have nights like tonight. You know what I mean? Like he's got to be consistently and he does do so much, even if he's not scoring. That's why he's so great. What was the stat that you told me when I came in on Wednesday, something about it was so, so this, I love this stat. I wish, I think it was, I think I might get this person wrong. I think it was Todd Whitehead. Uh, and he does like weird analytics and stuff and he's very good follow. I'm going to try to find it, but he, uh,

He had a stat, which was basically like, Hey, if you miss football, let me just give you this stat. Yeah. His name's Todd Whitehead on Twitter and he does a cool stat. So on Tuesday night, if you took Tyrese Halliburton's entire performance and made him a QB on Tuesday night,

He threw 77 passes for 444 yards with zero interceptions. 77 passes, 444 yards, zero interceptions. He had 15 assists, zero turnovers on Tuesday night. That's Texas Tech numbers. Yeah, it was basically like, hey, this is what it must feel like to be mansplained to because I saw the stat and I was like, oh, okay, that's sick.

Yeah, now I really understand just how hard that was to do. Like, I watched it, and it was incredible. But now, yeah, I mean, if he was a football player, he should have played football. Yeah, 77 passes, zero picks. But, yeah, tonight he just – I just feel like the Pacers as a whole –

kind of went into tonight being like, we can just win this game with a little half effort. And the Knicks are like, no, we're not going out this way. And I respect the hell out of that by the Knicks. Like, you don't know what's going to happen game six. You don't know what's going to happen game seven. But to not lose tonight –

is big because you don't want to lose 4-1 on your home court. Yeah, yeah. And that's not going to work against Tibbs if you half-ass it because they're going to lose their entire ass. They're going to play a little bit of booty ball. Also, credit to Tibbs, he –

The bench. He's using his bench. He's like, hey, maybe I can just throw some of these guys out there and let them go balls to the wall on defense and not worry about, you know, like, hey, they might get some fouls, but that's okay. Like, you know, Landry Schammett, DeLon Wright, these guys are actually playing real minutes now, 10, 14 minutes. Good job by Tibbs. Like, hey, throw some guys out there. Throw some more guys at them.

It was also kind of a sneaky thing that he did because I think Josh Hart started on the bench, right? But he's still got 34 minutes. That's what he's been doing. He does – Josh Hart starts on the bench, sits for five minutes, and then plays the rest of the game. Yeah. And he's like – And the second half, same thing. Yeah. I'm using my bench. Yeah. I just – I went down a little rabbit hole tonight because I'm fascinated with Mitchell Robinson.

And I don't know how much you know about this guy personally, like what he's like off the court. Yeah, he's the man. He's the most country dude that you'll ever meet in your entire life. Guess how many dogs Mitchell Robinson has? He's got to have like 20. Yeah, he's got 18 dogs. Okay. He owns 18 dogs. I think a dozen of those dogs are Rottweilers. Love it. So massive respect. He's got like a million trucks, pickup trucks. And they are – when I say they're trucks –

He actually owns monster trucks, like his personal trucks that he uses to drive around in indistinguishable from monster trucks. If you go on his TikTok page, it's all trucks, dogs, fishing, country songs, and then bigger trucks. I think, I think we've been looking for the next big country for a long time. I think it's just been Mitchell Robinson the whole time. Can I ask a question about the 18 dogs? And I want to do this carefully. Um,

We're all dog people here except Matt. Well, Max has a dog now. Hank's actually the only one who's not a dog person. Yeah, fact. That is absolutely insane. Your mic stinks. No, my mic's the best mic. No, your mic stinks right now. It blew out all of our ears. Hey, guess what? The people listening, this is going to be the best mic. Oh, okay. Want to bet?

Yes, I forgot that you have it. I forgot you have a dog now. I'm sorry, Billy. Shout out, Billy. That's a Billy football. So Hank's the only one who's not a dog person here. But as dog guys, PFT, Max, Pug, if you have 18 dogs and one of them passes away, that can't be the same sadness, right?

It's still sad, but that's a lot of dogs. Can you keep track of all those dogs? I think even if you have 18 dogs, if it's one of the older ones, I think...

They each get their time in the sun. Like when they're a puppy, obviously they get a lot of shine. When they're middle-aged dogs, you kind of forget about them. Then when they're veteran dogs, the ones that like King Charles, the alpha male dog, which I'm obsessed with the Chinese dog that just regulates on everybody, the dogs get a chance to prove themselves to be special. And then by the time that dog gets old, if it passes away, it's, it's a sad occasion. That's true. But 18 is a lot to keep like,

If you saw 18 dogs in a backyard, you wouldn't be able to be like, that's 18 dogs right away because they're running around. It would take you a while to count them. But if I saw 18 dogs in somebody's backyard, I would immediately think whoever lives there is a fantastic rebounder. Absolutely. That's a big rebound guy move. By the way, I'm saying this in that

I'm saying almost as a positive that Mitchell Robinson might have found a way to not feel the immense sadness of a dog passing. If you have 18 of them, it might take it down. I'm not saying it's not sad. It might take it from 100% sadness to 95% sadness, and that might be a good strategy.

I would think that an older dog above the age of like nine, you feel that same sadness. But if it's like a middle-aged dog that passes away, you feel sad, but you're like, you know what? Next dog up. Yeah. 17 more dogs. Yeah. So many dogs. That's an awesome amount of dogs for an Englishman to have. It really is. Speaking. Hey, listen, Max, I'm saying that something nice about you because you just blew out all of our eardrums with your great mic. Yeah.

And I know he's going to do some weird editing tricks, so he's going to make it sound awesome. It's just we are recording it separately through our actual studio. It was loud for everyone. Hank's doing a little face. Max, congratulations. You won our first basket challenge with DraftKings. The NBA playoffs are almost over. It's about to get wild. High stakes drama. Insane buzzer beaters. Jaw dropping dunks in the excitement you live for.

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Memes, quickly. And we're going to talk about the indie trip during Fyre Fest with Zach. How are we feeling? Do we have a percentage on, like, Knicks being back and can win this series? I feel good right now. The Pacers are really good. After watching them in person, that was, like, one of the greatest shooting performances. And, I mean, their fans are incredible, except that one woman.

The most important part when you're down 3-1 is just that your team doesn't quit, and that's all you could ask for. And you just keep hoping they don't quit and just keep fighting until the very end. I agree with you. I think it was unnecessary to take a shot at John Cougar Mellencamp like that, but I agree with the rest of it. Fair point. I agree with John, though, and I accept his apology. Okay. Okay. I hope we go 7-1.

Seven will be Monday night, right? Yeah, seven will be great. I would like to see some crazy comebacks. I think this series has been awesome to watch. There's been great basketball. So I'm at the point where now the more basketball, the better. Yeah, that's what I was saying the other night. Game seven in the Mecca would be...

And that's what I was saying the other night about like the rooting for it. Like it's Mario cart. We, in the last, you know, 48 hours or 24 hours, we've lost both conference finals in the, in hockey. And we lost the Western conference finals. We needed this to keep going. Otherwise you're going to be stuck with no playoff,

sports this weekend and just sitting there waiting for the finals to start on Thursday. So good job. Good job, Knicks. Give us one more game. Yeah. What memes? You're thinking. Theoretically, if the NBA is rigged, wouldn't you want a game seven in the Eastern Conference finals? Yes. Yeah. So why not just do it? Well, if the NBA is rigged, you want the Knicks in the finals.

Yeah, but I feel like game seven, you pull the rigged back and you just let him go at it. Got it. What will be will be? Yeah. Game six, you call in Scott Foster. Game six calls. Game seven, your services are no longer needed. No, it's just let him fight to the death. Yeah. The NBA is definitely going to call Scott Foster game six, right?

We can agree on that. I would imagine. Also, shout out to the Knicks fan. I saw this posted. Someone sent it to me. A Knicks fan bought a – paid a witch on Etsy to cast a spell to help the Knicks win tonight. Is that Blake? That's Blake. He'll be okay.

That's okay. What's up, Blake? He's having a great time. Shout out that fan. Takes everyone. We're going to get to it with Thunder and Thunder Princess, but like a Knicks fan buying a witch's spell on Etsy for $8.48, that could have been the difference. So do we have any proof that there was actually a witch involved or somebody just said that? They showed the receipt on Etsy.

That to me seems like you're cheaping out on your witches. Yeah. You might have to up your witch game. I'd agree. I'd agree. Go visit death. I have a feeling death might... Is there a chance death is dead? She was a real witch. She was. We'll never die. Yeah. She seems like something maybe COVID. Yeah, you're right. Hank's right. I can see it. Hank, when you're right, you're right. Yeah. You're right. She gave a COVID vibe.

Four years before. I knew something was up. Good name with COVID. All right. Stanley Cup final. We're here. Rematch last year. Awesome. I'm so excited for this. Oilers, Panthers, best two teams. Panthers finish off the Hurricanes on Wednesday night. Oilers finish off the Stars tonight. And...

The Oilers have been on fire. So they started their series. I think it was the first series of the entire playoffs. Oh, two against the Kings. And since then, they're 12 and two of 25 goal differential plus 25. And Skinner's been awesome. And their power play has been awesome. And now the question is,

Can you beat the Panthers who have looked every bit of dominant, even obviously going seven against the Leafs, but they absolutely throttled the hurricane and they're relentless? Yes, Hank. The Oilers touched the trophy. So, okay. They did. They touched the Campbell. Was it the Campbell Cup? Yeah, they did. They didn't last year. You never do. Sidney Crosby did the same thing 08-09. Mm.

Didn't touch it 08. Lost in the cup final. Touched it 09. Won. I got a fun little stat for you. Can you name the last three Stanley Cup finals rematches? Including this one. We'll count this one as the most recent one. So you just said one of them. Bruins. Oh, yeah, yeah. The Penguins Red Wings. Penguins Red Wings, yep. Penguins Red Wings. Not Bruins Blackhawks. Nope. No. Um...

Hold on. Hold on. Rangers. The Lightning didn't play. The Lightning played. It's a meaningful stat. It's got to be farther back, right? It's a meaningful stat. Devils. I'll just say it. No, no. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Give me one more second. How far back? I'm assuming the most recent one is Red Wings Penguins, correct? That is correct. Yeah. Devils Avalanche? Nope. Oilers. They did play.

Oh, Oilers Islanders? Oilers Islanders. Gretzky lost the first time. And then won. Second year, won. Crosby loses the first time to the Red Wings. Second time, comes back and wins. Now McDavid loses to the Panthers the first time. Second time, I think I like the Oilers boys. Oh, I absolutely do. I think it's coming home. Yeah. I agree. They're going to be – and they have home ice. Yeah.

I like the others as well. Now, the only thing that makes me nervous about the Panthers is one, they're very good at hockey, which should be noted to. They have been ordering blizzards before the game and eating them in between periods. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. That's some analytics you don't get in the stat department. I got Panthers on. I saw there was. Wait, wait. Do they have Dairy Queens in Canada?

Oh, good question. I know they got Tim Hortons. Good question. So they got to steal one without the DQ Blizzard. Yeah, this is a big. Good question. It looks like they do have Dairy Queens in Canada. Okay. So this is from Katie Engelson. I can confirm the Panthers group that went to Dairy Queen the night before game two went to Dairy Queen last night before game five. So they go the night before. And then also I saw Marshawn had one in between periods.

The other night. So that's tough. Okay. I'm looking at a map of Edmonton. You're saying that's tough in the way, like the kids say it, right? Big cat. That's tough. And the fact that like, if you tell me there's a team powered by Dairy Queen, I'm going to be like, that team is unstoppable. Yeah, no, like that's what the kids say when you wear like a cool, like, oh, that's tough. That's tough. That's tough. Like them getting blizzards is tough. That's tough. I'm seeing at least 17 Dairy Queen locations in Edmonton right now. Listen, Edmonton,

Everybody in town has to be behind this effort. Yeah. From the guys who are out there on the ice to the people that are cleaning the blizzard machine. Do not sell blizzards to the Florida Panthers. Don't do it. It's that simple. Can't do it. You have to ask them. And they have to tell you if they're a member of the Panthers organization. Otherwise, it's entrapment. And that's against the law. Don't sell Dairy Queen blizzards.

to anybody that sounds American for Canadians only. You know, the Canadians can't do that. It's too nice. I love that about them. Cause like you can't rob someone, a blizzard. I still think it's, I think it's the Oilers. I'm going to, I agree with you. I'm, I'm rooting. We won't tell Whitney this, um, who hopefully we'll have on next week, but I, I am rooting for McDavid. I mean, we like to fuck with Whitney, but I,

And then it is perfect because we can root for McDavid. And if he loses, we can just be like, we're right. Yeah. We just shouldn't have doubted ourselves. Yeah. Yeah. He tricked us again. My only crime was listening to the mob. The woke mob convinced me to root for McJesus. Yeah.

He tricked us again. We thought it was his year. Yeah, right. I like this storyline, though. And I like Hank. Do you? I mean, the fact that Crosby did it. Oh, 809. Does that not make it a little bit better? Yeah, it does. I figured there had to be a reason. I was pretty shocked watching the celebration. Yeah. Okay. Do we have anything else? Ovechkin pre-retired. He pre-tired for like two hours today.

Oh, so the Washington Capitol sent out an email to season ticket holders asking to renew. And they said, this is Alex of actions last season playing at the NHL. And so everybody was like, what the fuck? He hadn't announced that or anything. Is this how they're telling us? And then everybody was asking about it. And the capitals had to send out another email being like the person that wrote that email actually had no knowledge whatsoever. They just put that in there to try to get people to buy tickets. So to their knowledge, the,

He has not made a decision on whether or not last year will be his last year. Okay, but I do like that by that guy. It's a good move to sell tickets. Great move. Great move to sell tickets. Also, next Monday's part of my tape will be the last part of my take that we ever do. So make sure to tune in. Yeah. Also, Brian shot and armor said that Dak Prescott is in the development phase of, I think maybe his football career. So let's all give him a little slack.

Just let him develop a little bit more. He needs more time. He needs more time to progress. He's 31-year-old developing quarterback. Yeah. I mean, Dak, I think Dak is the most who we think he is quarterback in the NFL. We've been dead right about Dak. Oh, yeah. At his best, like he will throw five touchdowns against some shitty teams. Yeah. And he'll light it up.

But when the rubber meets the road, we know what's up with Dak. Even if you think about Patrick Mahomes, he could get bad somehow for a year. He'd be like, whoa, we didn't see that coming. There's nothing that's going to surprise us with Dak. I've never been more right about anything in my life than I have been my entire life about Dak Prescott. He's going to put up good stats. There'll be a stretch where everyone's like, hey, the Cowboys are, this is different this year, and then the playoffs. Yeah.

Good guy, though. Great guy. 17th best quarterback. Favorite color gray. Hey, wait. You had a stat you wanted to give me. NFL. I did have an NFL stat. Yes. Thank you for reminding me. You teased me with it. It was such a tease. We were like...

Like middle schoolers with a crush on each other. I walked into the studio and PFT was like, I got a stat for you, but I'm going to save it for the show. And I was like, tell me now. Okay. So it's like something that we have to maybe put a future on. And the guy that he DM me the first stat and he said, remember when that guy gave Big Cat the Tarek Scooble envelope? This is my version of that. Okay.

But then I went and I added to the stat a little bit. So I think this comes from the OVs and Giglo podcast. I'm probably butchering that name. They seem like nice guys. Seem like they've got a good podcast. They were talking about the Panthers. They're big Carolina Panthers fans in the NFL. And they said in the 2002 college football season, Ohio State wins the national championship. That same year, the Carolina Panthers have a losing record.

The Panthers opened the next season by playing the Jacksonville Jaguars, and they go to the Super Bowl. In 2014, Ohio State wins the national championship. The Panthers have a losing record. The very next year, the Panthers open up with the Jaguars, and the Panthers go to the Super Bowl. 2024, Ohio State wins the national championship. The Panthers have a losing record.

Next year, 2025, the Panthers open up with the Jacksonville Jaguars again. Yep. This feels like it's written in the start. Now, I went – I did a little bit more research because I thought to myself those years, 2002, 2014, sound familiar in a certain way that matched up with 2024. Also in 2002 –

Jennifer Lopez filed for divorce from Chris Judd. 2014, Jennifer Lopez filed for divorce from Mark Anthony. 2024, Jennifer Lopez files for divorce from Ben Affleck. Wow. It seems like the Carolina Panthers are going to be in the Super Bowl. Okay, so we just got to pick them to win the NFC. Yep.

Easy. I think this is how you make the money. Long shots nobody else is thinking about. Bryce Young takes the next step. This is great. I'm in. I'm in. And it's going to look terrible, but we're going to ride it. Week five, we'll be like, why do we believe this? But then week 15, we're like, yeah, fuck yeah, we're smart.

just wait yeah i think uh we have certain future bets that we look at and every time we're looking at the uh the draft kings app and we click on my bets it says you've got this one out in the future we feel great about it like i've just got money that hasn't hit the bank yet this is going to be one of those bets that's going to feel terrible every time i look at it yeah but then we're going to be laughing all the way to the bank listen if the panthers aren't

doing well, we'll just talk about them a ton on the podcast and get everyone to vote them to the Super Bowl like we do with the Heisman every year. Yeah, that's a great point. Easy peasy. All right, let's kick it to ourselves. We've got a lot of show left in this great show. We've got Thunder, we've got Thunder Princess, we've got Greg Olson, we've got Zach Levine, we've got Zach talking about the Indy trip.

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That's my boy. And he knows he's got to push the button because if he doesn't, he's got to get a soul patch. He's got button issues. Yeah. He did not forget to push the button. Right. So hot, see cool through on Friday. But the Oklahoma City Thunder are in the NBA finals. Absolutely. Curb stomped the Timberwolves in game five.

completely like that series wasn't really competitive. Obviously game four was close and the Timberwolves won game three, but the Thunder are significantly better than the Timberwolves. The Thunder, I said it last series when I felt like they were like growing up in

in front of our eyes against the Nuggets. This was a continuation of it where it's like, yeah, you're going to lose game three when a team goes home down 0-2. And then having that resolve in game four and then taking care of business in game five, this team is so goddamn good. And it all starts with SGA, who...

Might be having one of the best seasons. He could be up there with one of the best seasons ever in terms of all the accolades he's putting out there because he won the MVP. He won the scoring title. All NBA first team. 68 wins for his team. They're in the finals. If he completes it,

The trophy case is insane. He also is the first NBA MVP to go to the finals since Steph in 2015-16. He has been incredible, and this entire team is incredible. Western Conference Finals MVP as well. I think Magic Johnson put it best.

I want to apologize to the Oklahoma City Thunder for underestimating them and not thinking they were ready to compete for a championship. Now, he put that out last night at 1038 p.m. And if you know anything about Irvin Magic Johnson and his Twitter accounts, he does not tweet anything in real time ever. No. He rushed to his phone or to his assistant's phone and said, I need you to tweet this out right now. I need to take accountability right away for it.

The Thunder are very, very scary. They're a scary team. They emasculated the Timberwolves last night. Emasculated? Nine points. They neutered the Timberwolves. Yeah. Nine points in the first quarter for the Timberwolves, 23 points in the second quarter, and then they kind of woke up at the end when nobody really expected that it was going to be a game. Some Luka Garza minutes. Yeah, some guys off the bench got some time, scored a few points.

Terrence Shannon Jr. actually was one of the only Timberwolves players to show up at the end of the series. I'll say this. As crazy as the NBA has been this postseason, this was the first time when at the end of the first quarter, I actually felt like this game was over. Oh, yeah. 26-9. It's also the way the Thunder play. Their defense, they forced 21 turnovers on Wednesday night. It just had the vibes after the first quarter of,

One of those home crowd parties just getting started. We're about to party for the next two and a half hours. And yeah, it was, you know, Jalen Williams has played great, played great in this series. You know, keeps taking steps forward. Chet is a monster. They just have so many guys guy off and their defense suffocating. They made Anthony Edwards look like,

Not great. No, bad. And then did you see the Converse ad afterwards? They were mocking Anthony Edwards. I still don't really understand that ad because...

It was an ant crawling around. I was just waiting for someone to step on the ant. That would have worked in SGA shoes. Like a giant shoe coming down. Like a converse coming down, crushing the ant. But yeah, the Thunder are awesome. They are just an awesome team. I think they're minus 625 right now in the drafting sports book to win the title. It's going to be a tall task.

to beat the Thunder in a seven-game series. Credit to the Nuggets for taking them to seven games. But yeah, and here's the crazy part about the Thunder and what they've done. And we've alluded to this when we've started the debate of this is maybe the worst Thunder team in their dynasty era, which is just beginning. The Thunder just have everything in front of them, too. They have so many picks. Sam Presti is...

A pickaholic. He just hoards the picks. He needs Marie Kondo to come over and be like, does this pick give you love? All the picks give him joy. Does this 2027 second rounder give you meaning? I hope that in future draft lotteries, he still has the opportunity to get into the top five. That's such a nice wrinkle that can pop up from time to time. But yeah, the Nuggets have constructed a team almost according... Sorry, the Thunder have constructed blue...

a team almost according to the perfect blueprint that you could ever have where everything falls into place. They were only bad for a couple years, too. Like, it wasn't... I know they tanked a little, but it wasn't... It was two years. Yeah, it was two years. It was two years that they were... You know, they did the...

Chet was just out. Chet was out, and they had, remember the whole, like, they told Al Horford, just go away? Yeah. And you're like, yeah, we don't want to win any of these games. But here's what the, here, I have it listed. Hold on. Here's what the Thunder have. In this year's draft, they have two firsts. In...

Next year's draft, they have two firsts and a second. In the 27 draft, they have two firsts and a second. And then they're first in the 28th, 29th. Next two years, not counting this one that's about to happen, but the next two years, who is their other first-round pick from? Let's find that. Let's find that. Because that's where we get good with it. That's where it gets real freaky. It is. It's crazy. The team they've constructed is so goddamn good. They're well-coached. They...

I love what their coach said. I don't know what their hole is. They don't have a hole. I love what their coach said after the game, which was they're professional, they're high character, they're idiots. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like a fun team. Do we? That was the Red Sox, right? Yeah. The old Bo Sox, a bunch of idiots. Cowboy up. The group interviews, how do we feel about that? I'm okay with it. You can do whatever you want. If you win, I think you can do whatever you want. I think it's one of those situations where it's a little goofy sometimes,

If they lose, they will get clowned for it. But if they win, who the fuck cares? Yeah, even if they lose, I don't think people remember that much. Yeah. All right. So 2026.

They have Dallas or no, sorry. That's the, Oh, they have two first round or one first round pick in 2026. I misspoke in 2027. They have their first round pick. Then they had a Denver top five protected first round pick and an LA first round pick swap. I assume that's the,

Clippers? Clippers. Because they had a pick from the Clippers this year, too, I think. Yeah. And then they have another Dallas first-round pick swap in 2028. It's crazy. So the picks of... Yeah. They have the Sixers pick next year, too. Yeah, the Sixers pick next year. Yeah. It's nuts. They just have...

All the picks. All the picks. Good job. Good time to be a Thunder fan. Good time to be a Thunder fan. We're going to talk to Thundor and Thunder Princess. I was so happy for Thundor when they won. Awesome interview. So happy. Very, very old school PMT. Just like, just get some super fans in a room that we don't even understand all dressed up. That like are hard to track down. Yeah. I have a fact. You can debate whether or not it's a fun fact. It is a fact. It is a fact.

It's like a mildly entertaining fact, but it's so mildly entertaining it might be fun. Okay. So with the Thunder, they have two players named Jalen Williams on their team. J-Dub and J-Will. Those are the only two Jalen Williams to ever play in the NBA. Wow. And they got both of them. It seems like that's a pretty common name, right? Yeah. No, they got the only two. That's crazy. I think that's a mildly mid fact. No, that's a good fact. I like that fact. Borderline wild.

That is borderline wild. To have the only two to play in the NBA on the same team, I would say that is wild. It's not a nerd nugget. No. Nothing can be a nerd nugget. It's a wild nugget. It's a wild nugget. It's on the wild meter. Okay. Sick. We should briefly talk about the Timberwolves. That was a sad way to go out. Body language problems. Body language problems. Anthony Edwards, I love watching him play basketball. I didn't love watching him play basketball in this series because he was just bottled up.

and didn't seem like he was having fun. Minnesota sports continue to be shout out Minnesota. So to sports fans, uh, it's been a very rough go and it continues. Uh, they have not won a title in 34 years. They're the longest streak of a city with all four big sports teams. They also are Oh, and 10 in their last, uh,

Since 1991 in all conference finals. So they get to the conference finals and they lose 127. 10 out of 30 in four sports also is bad. Yeah.

127 combined seasons without appearing in a championship game or series. It's tough. I don't really feel that bad for Ant, although, like you, I enjoy watching him play basketball. Mike Conley I felt bad for. Yeah. It looked like that was a tough series for him to get over afterwards. And I want him to do something great. He seems like a good guy. But, I mean, the Thunder, there's just –

There's just no beating them this postseason. You're right. The Awus are gone. That's right, Hank. That's right. You called it. The guy off, I was... As much crap as I give SGA, just because at times he's annoying to watch, I still think he's an incredible player. And he is fun to watch when he's not doing the foul-baiting stuff. Face of this league? He might be the face of this league. This is my favorite part of the NBA calendar, where it's like... American hero. Whoever gets to the finals, we have to have the debate who's the face of this league. Because this was...

Anthony Edwards has been... People have been trying to put the face of this league on him. And two Western Conference Finals for the Timberwolves, they've been good the last two years. They obviously haven't been to the finals. I don't think you can be the face of this league without getting to a finals. I think it might be Caruso. Caruso might be the face of this league. He might be the face. With Ant...

Just remember, he's really, really fucking young. Yeah. Like, young players don't get to the NBA Finals at his age. He said that. They said, how disappointing is this or something like that? And he was like, it's exciting for me because I'm going to get so many chances to do this and get better in the offseason. You just never know with windows. Hank's looking at me like, Tatum, who was the MVP? Remind me who the MVP of that final was. Who should the MVP should have been? Before that, too, when he was even younger. Who should the MVP should have been on that team?

He was the... I'm pretty sure he was the Eastern Conference Finals MVP that year when they went. Well, it's exceedingly rare that a person as young as Ant leads his team to an NBA Finals. It's...

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And I'm a known aura of the woman of the office. Oh, you look good. I don't know the office. Yeah. Are you their boss?

No. So you wear clothes to work to impress the women of the office? It's a trial. It was a trial. I knew it was outside of what I normally wear, and I knew it was going to spark a reaction. I know the people in this office are dickheads, and they would tell you straight up, like, you look weird today. What's going on with this? But most people's first reaction is like, ooh, I like it. So trial. Again, people report to you. No, and guys, too. It kind of looks like Zack Morris, like something that he'd wear on Saved by the Bell. He's giving off like hooligan London vibes. That's cool. That's a good vibe.

Is it? You need a bucket hat. Okay. Maybe add that. But yeah, I knew, I assumed, it's not, this is not normally what I would wear. In the socks? In this office. Yeah, they match. Oh.

Each other? Most times they do. No, but like the purple. Remember when you said that Hank only wears black hoodies? Yeah. Right. He's trying to change it up. No, I would normally be wearing a black hoodie, but I was like, let's get a trial. When you get a coupon to Bugle Boy, you spend all of it. You get the full rack. Yeah. When Old Navy is doing a summer sale, you got to fucking gobble it up. It looks good, Hank. Thank you. I know. It looks good. I know. Bugle Boy.

Oh, you got to put yourself on Bugle Boy, Max. Bugle Boy. You look great in a set of Bugle Boy. Yeah. I don't know. Look at that. Is this an old thing? Yeah, it's an old thing. It's a very old thing.

Bugle Boy. It's a great name. I'm in on the name of Bugle Boy. PFT just did the Inglourious Bastards 3 for our age. When he said, if Bugle Boy ever looked up, I'm like, what? No, Bugle Boy. No shit. I made an obscure reference to a shitty old. I know. I'm joking. But yeah, you look good, Hank. Thank you. Bugle Boy looks fire. Bugle Boy was fire. Look at this. Get it. Oh, Hank, that is you. It looks sick. Hank, get it.

Get it. See? Get it, Hank. Yeah. Okay, so Thunder are awesome. Yeah. Thunder and five against the Pacers. I think we need... Well, we don't know. We're recording this earlier, so what if the Knicks are still in it? I think Knicks in seven against the Thunder, but they're going to sweep the Pacers. You guys, what do you think about the ratings? Don't care.

Are you worried if it's a week off and then it's two small market teams? I'm worried that I'm going to have to have a conversation about the ratings at some point in the future. Am I worried about what it means for the game? No, because you know what? That just means that only the real ball heads are going to watch. The ratings discourse will get very annoying. I think if let's say the Pacers are there.

The Pacers are a super fun team to watch play. The Thunder are a fun team to watch play. They're young stars on both sides.

It should be celebrated instead of what people will do and say ratings and this and that. I don't know why you wouldn't want to celebrate it. And it's also two teams that are built the right way, and it's not superstars teaming up. I think that should be celebrated. But, of course, there will be the narrative of, oh, this sucks for ratings. The NBA is dying. No, I agree. And I'm not going to look it up or find it. But there was a guy that it was like if the Pacers win, they will be –

The Pacers and Thunder will be the first two teams to make it to the finals without having to pay luxury tax in 16 years. Yeah. Which is good. That's commendable. Yeah. Respect. This is what we say that we want in sports. Right. Well, it's just weird, too, because it's such a bizarre thing that the NBA deals with. And maybe it's just I don't know if it's where it comes from villainizing the small market teams. But that doesn't happen in football.

Like, Kansas City's not a big market. You know what I mean? It's just very bizarre that it's just specific. Buffalo is not a big market. Yeah. And you don't get the same thing. I think it's just everyone watches football no matter what. And I also think that it's going to be a game for whoever wants the NBA to have bad ratings. They're going to talk about how bad the ratings are. Right. And what would be kind of funny, because I think it could, it might be,

Kaitlin Clark's first game back against the Sky, Chicago, that Saturday, June 7th.

There will be people comparing the ratings of that game. I think she's out for that because I saw the tickets for that game. I think it's definitely big time up in the air. I think that there's an outside chance that would be her first game back. You would see people comparing the NBA Finals rating to the ratings of that game. Yeah. Personally, I don't care, but it does cross my mind because I'm going to have to see people talk about it. Yeah. Do you guys see that –

I think White Boy Rick said it perfectly. We've got a Fox in the Hen House situation with NBA Central getting into WNBA discourse. Oh, yeah. It is fertile ground. It is. NBA Central tweeted out something that was like, since Caitlin Clark's injury 72 hours ago, the WNBA has lost over 30 million Instagram followers. Yeah, I love that. And people were just like, what the fuck? This is bullshit.

It is a fox in the hen house. They're not ready for it. No, but it's great. It's also just that the entire WNBA discourse is so funny when you compare it to the NBA. I saw a meme of... It was Anthony Edwards in a wheelchair, and I think he had like...

like special needs. And it was like them roasting how he played in this series. Yeah. They turn anybody who loses into Osama bin Laden. The biggest loser of all time. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. Okay. Let's let's talk to Thunder real quick. A little more Thunder love Thunder and Thunder Princess. And then we'll do hot seat. Cool throne. Okay. We now welcome on two very special guests and potentially a third. It is Thunder and

And Thunder Princess, fresh off winning the Western Conference Finals. I see, Thundor, I see you have the finals hat on right now. Of course. I got to be repping this. We're going to the finals. So, I guess, congratulations. You guys were there last night. How awesome was that?

It's unbelievable. I mean, the big question is, when are you going to come out to OKC and experience the arena for yourselves? Listen, I would love to come put on the shirt. I would put that shirt on so fast. Yeah, I would absolutely put the shirt on. So you guys are in the finals. I guess, can we get the backstory of how you guys became super fans? Because you guys are obviously super fans. We've been doing it, Thunder Princess, myself, Brickman. We've been doing it since the very first season.

The Loves Corporation had a Ultimate Fan Competition. And so we all started off as competitors trying to be the ultimate Thunder fan. We were enemies. And then we all became friends. It's a beautiful story. Because ultimately you want the same thing. So you recognize that with our powers combined, we can actually get this to a good place with the team. Once we both lost, that's when we became friends. That's smart. Wait, who won? Did Brickman win? No, nope.

His name is Josh Newby. We call him Thunderhead. And he had a three-dimensional head of the logo. He actually went to the game when my uncle passed. He stepped in for me and was at the game. Wow. Sorry about your uncle passing. So wait, so does he hang out with you guys at the games, Thunderhead? Yep.

Every time he comes to a game, yes. But he lives quite a bit south in a town called Ada, so he comes up as much as he can. Unfortunately, they don't let him bring the head in anymore. It's like NBA rules and regulations. What? No, he brought it. He brought it? We got it through. Okay. Don't keep getting with us. We can get you through. We can get you through. All right. I love that. I respect that. Thundor, I was reading a profile about you last week, and we were talking about you on the podcast.

Yes, I heard that. That was very nice. Thank you for doing, for giving me a shout out, talking about the body positivity, my social work things. Yeah, it's a great story and you seem like a good guy. So I just want to clarify, like when you change into the Thunder outfit, are you still doing that at a gas station on the way to the arena? If it's a regular season game and I'm like coming fresh off of work,

I'll just take my, like, shorts and socks and suspenders, and I'll just run into a bathroom, and I'll come out, like, carrying my jeans. And so I'm sure everybody thinks I shit my pants, but I'm really just shaking in the thunder, you know? Yeah, it's like Superman in his phone booth. Exactly. You got to stop with the loves, you get your change on, you go out, and then...

Here comes Thunder. What about you, Thunder Princess? How long is the get-up take? Do you go straight from work sometimes to the game? 1,000 hours. I actually live in Orlando now. So I've been flying back and forth to these games. I was a 13-year season ticket holder prior to moving in 2020. So the process does take a little longer. You've got to beat the face.

rhinestones don't happen on the remote he takes five seconds i take maybe two and a half hours depending uh but yeah it does uh it takes a little bit longer especially when i have to fly yeah that's like we're not getting painted it takes about like a good hour and a half or two hours for a paint job depending on who the artist is how detailed we're going to be and everything like that like last night we were cutting it up to the like to tip off

of getting finished because we were painting. And that was not my fault. And somebody took way longer at the house than they should have. See, I have to paint my face every day. When we're coming up with what we're putting on the chest and the belly, how often do we use the same slogans? How often do we change it up? Oh my God. There is no repeat belly pain. Are you kidding me? Bad question. We got it.

We got to be original every time out the gate, always. So typically it kind of goes through like a planning process. You know, if I have an idea, I'll do a sketch.

And then I'll send it to the group sometimes or if somebody feels like they're really motivated and they have a perfect idea Which to her credit nausea has had some good ones, you know, we'll send it to the group chat We'll get it talked about we'll kind of iron it out and then in the moment we can have a perfect idea But when we start painting the idea changes evolves it becomes a whole new thing Yeah, we need point of the sketches. It always has to have nipples. So we have a place it goes Yeah, very important. Wait, how many people are in this group text? I

Nine, apparently. Yeah, there's only nine now. Can we list them all? And their super fan names? Okay, well, you got Matt. Matt's a former Storm Chaser. Like the hype crew for the team. You got Devin, another former Storm Chaser. You got Josh Thunderhead, the winner of the Ultimate Fan Competition. You got Derek Brickman, Nazi Thunder Princess, Garrett Thundor. You got Arlen, who has done like five or six different alter egos throughout the years. Wow.

You got Gary, which shout out to Gary. This is his first time to really don a costume. He's the Caruso lookalike in the crowd. Oh, yeah. I like that. Yeah. Do we have any sneak peeks of what the belly is going to look like in the finals? Yes.

We're big Caruso fans, so anything Caruso-themed, we're going to be automatically drawn to. I can tell you that. Well, see, that's the thing. Like, Gary being the Caruso look-alike now, he's more famous than I am. I mean, he gets all the love. We bumped into him over here last night, and people were like, Caruso! So is that everyone, or is there anyone else? There's Thunder Rob. I was about to say, we're not going to forget Thunder Rob. Can't forget Thunder Rob. Wait, Alan, did you say had multiple... Harlan. Harlan is a... He's done...

Thunder Doctor. He's done Chewabaca. He's done Stormtrooper. He's done Thunder Claws. He's got alter egos for days. Oh, fuck. What is he doing right now?

He's Thunder Doctor because he's a doctor in real life. He's a real doctor. He's a neonatologist. Wait, a neonatologist? Yeah. We have a rocket scientist, a neonatologist, a social care worker, I weigh tables. But we got all spectrums here of smarts and talents, and we definitely showcase that.

on and off the court, essentially. I love it. That's a group for sure. It's incredible. And what's Brickman? What does he do by day? He's a rocket scientist. Oh, my God.

That's awesome. He's also like the most extreme guy you're going to meet. He is a genius, and he is also called Uncle Mental when he does his bike races. The dude rode his mountain bike through the Iditarod Trail in Alaska. Frozen beard, like icicles coming out of his nose, everything. It was insane. You guys have actual superheroes as super fans. This is awesome. It's pretty crazy.

So what do you guys do during games? Do you have a thing that you're known for during the games, like jinxing the foul shooter, yelling at the opposing coach? What's your bread and butter? So for, like, the playoffs, I work both sides. So I'll go to the opposing – like, they're not going to get away from me in the playoffs. Yeah. I'm going to heckle you for the full 48 minutes. 94 feet, yep. Yep. And so, you know, I run down the stairs. I give them the –

I get the belly shakes going on, whatever I can do to get their attention. And then once they lock eyes with me, that's when I know I have them. If I can get them to smirk, laugh, take a second to squint to see what the hell are they looking at...

Next thing you know, they're missing a free throw. And that one missed free throw could change the game. It can change the world. Does this happen very often? No. There's a small percentage chance. But the fact that there's a chance that I can impact a game, I'm going to take that and run with it. I love that. So is there a moment that you remember where you're like, yep, that's a win for Thunder? He got it. Tons. Yeah. Damian Wilkins, former Thunder player, was playing for the Hawks on New Year's Eve.

I had like glitter, firework, paint jobs. That was my. And my moves. I had a ball that I would drop up and down during the free throws. Damien Wilkins straight up doubles over in laughter. And the very next free throw, he misses. Oh, love it.

Earlier, probably the most recent one that I've gotten to is Paulo Banqueiro because I had like a Czech versus Paulo paint job going on. And you see him kind of lean forward trying to read the belly. And then he's like, oh, okay. And then he goes and shoots a free throw. Miss. I think you guys referenced it during one of your podcasts. You know, Chris Kamen was the first person I ever heckled. And I...

I was 22, I was nervous. It was my first time being Thundor and I did not stop.

I heckled him when he was on the bench. I heckled him when he was shooting free throws. He threw a towel over his head. You know, I was calling him Chris Caveman. That's probably like the most personal attack I've ever given somebody. That's a personal attack, yeah. I try to keep it PG. You know, I try to do just more of the sounds, getting the attention, doing the distractions. But, you know, my apologies, Chris Caveman, for all the missed free throws that you may have experienced.

Kudos to you for being an NBA player. What about you, Thunder Princess? What do you do during the game to get into the players? When I was full-time and not in partial retirement, I would run down there with Garrett every time, and we would switch which side of the goal we'd be standing on. He'd go to the left side, I'd go to the right side, then we'd switch.

I did a lot of turning around and I would do booty shaking. I always yell, miss it, brick it. I have a real high-pitched scream, which is to my advantage in this situation. One time, I actually painted my belly, too, and it said miss on the front and I had it on my back. So when I pulled my shirt up, it was like, miss, and then I would shake my booty and it said it. So...

Now that we're in the finals here, the stakes are getting up there. Do you guys have some plays that you've held back for like, hey, if we go deep here, this is going to be... Okay, here's the problem, guys. I'll be honest. We've tried doing choreographed dancing because Nazi is a dancer. I am not. So that's going to be out of there. I'll lose the movement. I'll forget what I'm doing.

But the finals, I do have a secret weapon. His name is Chase Dryden. And he is one of the best belly artists known to man. He is awesome.

Look at this. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, my God. That's going to be a problem. And that's Chef Chase in the picture. And then, yeah, that's one of his very detailed... I mean, he's a very, again, talented artist. We have just talent all over the place here. And so, actually, the Firehouse Art Gallery in Norman, Oklahoma, they actually did an art show that was called...

Thunder the the art of chase Dryden and so we have all of these belly arts that chase had done and they had a mounted all along the wall and it was it was a really cool experience yeah I don't know that Indiana or New York you can prepare for this I know and I look forward I would like to you know welcome in any Indiana or New York Knicks fans

to come to Oklahoma City. Come hang out with us. Let's be friendly. You know, I want to win, sure, but I want to meet some others. I know I'm not the only weirdo out there. You know, I welcome your weird. Come get weird with me. Let's live our weird together while we cheer on our teams in the finals. Yeah, it's pretty cool. So tell me about your origin stories as superfans. How did you get into becoming superfans?

Mine is going to be different. Prior to the Oklahoma City Thunder arriving in 2008, I was not a sports fan. I didn't do OU, OSU. We did not have a pro team. And in my mind, I never understood being a diehard fan of a city you don't live in or have any connection to. Of course, everyone was a Dallas fan if you live in Oklahoma because it's the closest or whatever. But I was just like...

Even when the Hornets came and they spent their two years here, I didn't get attached because like they're going to leave. Like, what's the point? Then we got the thunder and I thought, okay, I'm going to go to opening night. The mayor's waving the flag. It looks great. And for the first time, I truly felt like our city came together as one. It wasn't OU or OSU. It was everybody in Thunder Blue and it was amazing. And in that moment, I was like, I love this.

I saw the advertisement for the Love's Ultimate Thunder fan. I waited, I think, almost into the very last week to enter. And at that time, there was only one other female. And I wanted to be the most over-the-top girly entity. So that's where Thunder Princess came into play. I had a...

I have all my jerseys are custom glittered. It says 85. Guess my birthday. I'm a little older. And so I got my big tiara, tutu. I used to wear heels every single game. I am too old for that now. But I wanted to be just this...

girly entity that other little girls and girls could look up to and be like, "Yeah, being a sports fan isn't just for the boys." So that's kind of how I fell into it. And then through the competition, I met my bestie. And I saw the ad as well. I luckily had bought a $5 knockoff Nacho Libre costume just days earlier before the season started. So after that very first game,

By the next game, I'm getting all thundered up. I took that jumpsuit. I had my friend who I'm friends with a lot of artists. I went to a university called USAO, the University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma. And so I'm just around all these gifted artists. So I had my friend make like a logo on the chess piece. Another one of my friends who was a cheerleader, I took his megaphone, I wrapped it up and blew an orange tape.

And then I just went and got wild and crazy. - Yeah. - So, and now, you know, being Thundor, getting my belly painted pretty regularly, it's just my way to kind of give back, to support local artists, put themselves out there, get their names out there again.

Chase Dryden, great tattoo artist, great artist, great friend. And are there any other super fans in the NBA that you have to take your hat off to and say, hey, game, respect, game, you're doing a great job too? So absolutely. So I've been wanting to go to all the other arenas and meet all their super fans. Now, I'm not made of money, so that's really hard to get to do.

But I did have Spurs Jesus reach out to me in San Antonio. And so during Rivalry Week last year, I got to go out there. We got to, you know, shoot the shit, hang out, have a great time. He did my belly paint for the game. Oh, wow. And we just went and had ourselves a really good time. Thunder, of course, won. So that made it that much sweeter. But it was still... He's a friend now who...

When the Thunder won the game last night, you know, he's one of the first people texting me saying, you know, congrats, big man, on going to the finals. I love it. So I dig that. I love that. And that's why I welcome, you know, whether it's the Pacers or the Knicks, come on, super fans, let's come hang out. Let's kick it in Oklahoma. I'll go to your place. We'll have a good time.

Let's do this. Yeah. All right. I got the toughest question I'm going to ask you guys. You might know that it's coming, but we've been talking about how great it is watching these games in Oklahoma City because of the t-shirts. And everyone puts on the t-shirt. Obviously, you've probably heard about Juan Guerra doesn't put on the t-shirt. I'm not trying to divide Thunder fans, but the guy's got to put on the t-shirt. We're winning.

Big Cat, we're winning. So whatever shirt he wants to wear, whether he wants to wear a tutu, whether he wants to come in his birthday suit, I don't care. As long as the Thunder are winning. But I will say, the way I fan up,

Isn't the way you're going to fan up. Isn't the way Juan's going to fan up. We can all fan in our own ways. The biggest thing is we're having a good time and we're there to support the team and win. Okay. He's just a different kind of super. He's, he's different shirt guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's a nice guy. We've talked to him and I've even said, maybe for me,

me just wear something with thunder on it. It doesn't have to be the color or the shirt, just anything thunder because that's also what's super important over the course of these playoffs and these conference finals when you look into the crowd of the other team, genuinely, you don't know why those people are even in the building because they're so like, especially the Denver series, I felt like nobody was wearing Denver Nuggets stuff. And it's like,

Why are you not wearing, why are you not supporting your team? You paid the money to enter the door. Why not, you know, flash? Yeah. I can't explain to you as someone who's, I lived in Oklahoma for 35 years before I moved to Orlando.

Seeing Oklahoma on anything is incredible to me. And now when I see Thunder fans in the wild, like anywhere outside the city or Oklahoma, I approach every single person. And I just think, why not wear it? Why not represent? Like, it thrills me to wear something that says Oklahoma City and OKC every single time. Like, I yell at every person about it. Like, go Thunder. You know, go Thunder.

Glad to see you out in the wild, fellow Okie. Even if they're not from Oklahoma, it's just great to see that representation all around. And if you're not going to wear it in the arena, when are you going to wear it? Good point. As you should. Good point. So congratulations. I can't help but root for you guys. Yeah. It's very easy to get caught up in the action. I hope that you guys have a great rest of your postseason. Well, I am.

The Thunder are relentless. They're inevitable. They just got four more wins to hang that banner, baby. You guys are what makes sports fun. We love super fans. So my last question was going to be, who do you guys have winning the NBA Finals? The Oklahoma City Thunder. Okay. All right. Interesting.

Yeah. That'd be OKC, maybe. I have one last question. I know you said Brickman was on a call. Can we just see him? Is he on the call with the Brickman outfit on? Let me go get him real quick. Yeah, let's see if you have him down. Or like even, yeah, the rocket scientist Brickman. Even if he stays on the phone, if you could just poke his head in, I just want to see Brickman. He is here. We had a big thunder...

I had a bad sleepover last night over here at my house. Love it. I mean, that's a hell of a night to win. Oh, no.

He's leading the meeting and he can't walk away. Is he leading it with that brick man head on? No. I can show you the brick, though. I can hoist it up and show you. It's his honor. Yeah, I'd like to see the brick. I'd like to see the brick. It'd be nice. It's probably a pretty important work call if you're heading a meeting as a rocket scientist. Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, it's...

A lot of math involved in anything I hear. When is Thunder Princess' birthday? It is going to be September. She's going to turn 40 this year. She's already made a big deal about it, I promise. Yeah, don't worry. Hey, Thunder Princess. Oh, look at that. There's the brick.

There's the brick. Thunder Princess, we're 85 babies as well, so don't worry. Oh, perfect. Yeah, it's all good. Yeah, yeah, you're good. I'm September 5th, so. Yeah, we're in January. Yeah, me too. I'll be 40 in July. Oh, okay. Look at us. Just a bunch of 85 babies fucking crushing life.

I love it. Yeah. I mean, we really are living the time of our lives. Yeah. I thunder as much as I can. I live eight minutes from Epcot. So I just opened Epic Universe last week. And I theme park all the time. And it's this environment. It's people like this that helped support me.

what I am today. I mean, you don't get this eccentric by being boring and living a boring life. So we've just made sure that no matter what we do, it's just a top levels. Yeah. We go hard for everything. It's okay to be weird. Yeah. And if you're enthusiastic about anything in life, I think you're an interesting person. I love that. Like, it's just cool to be, to be like, Hey, this is my passion. Um, so you guys are the best. Uh, we'll have you back on if you win the championship. All right. Not if. Well,

Maybe if. Win. Okay. I have my royal ways in the win. I love the confidence. All right, we will have you back on when you win the championship. And maybe we'll see you on the float in the parade afterwards. Yes. Or just come to OKC. Might have to do that. We have an extra spot if you want somewhere to crash. Okay, all right. You're making a great case for this, yeah. All right, thanks, guys.

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Hank, hot seat cool throw. We're probably going to talk about a lot of stuff in these hot seat cool throws. Yeah, I got a few. Okay. My first one is idiots that get fooled by clearly fake AI internet videos. Well, that was my... Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. I was thinking of something else. Yeah, you finished with AI. You heard idiots. That was my fire fist. Yeah, I am an idiot. Did you guys see the kangaroo trying to get on the plane? Yes. Yeah. Mm.

A lot of people got fooled by it. Did you? Yep. I didn't tweet it, though. It was the emotional support kangaroo. Yeah. The video said, like, breaking, like, emotional support kangaroo not allowed on plane. And there was a video of a woman fighting with an agent at, like...

trying to board the plane with a kangaroo standing next to her holding the boarding pass. Was this in Australia? Very cute. I think it was. Yeah. Well, no, it was nowhere. Yeah, but was it supposed to be in Australia? It didn't exist. Was this AI or was this a video that was shot in one of those fake airports or fake planes that you can rent out to shoot videos on? The kangaroo was not there. No, there's this AI. There was no...

Yeah, there was no real kangaroo. Yeah, I saw emotional support kangaroo and I looked at the kangaroo. I was like, that's cute. I'm going to keep it moving. No chance this is real. Yeah, he's just the kangaroo just quietly standing there just staring right into the camera not doing anything that a wild animal would do. I've got my ticket right here for my Steven 37 ticket. Right, emotional support. You forgot that part. Emotional support kangaroo. And he's holding the ticket, a paper ticket.

Old school? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, he likes to get some ink under his fingers. This might be a sequel, Kangaroo Hijack. But this one, a lot of people got fooled by, like, a lot. Yeah? Yeah. And it's tough. I felt their pain. I had a thought the other day about A.I.,

I think you remember when they made it. Statue's too small? No, you remember when they made the hands all fucked up and that's how you can tell that it's an AI video? I think that they did that on purpose so that people would be cool with AI because we're like, oh, well, it's going to be so easy to tell what...

what AI generated videos are or pictures because the hands have nine fingers or they're melded together and they look like wax that's melted. I think they did that intentionally. So we would be cool with AI knowing that we could tell the difference. And then in reality, they just delete that line of code and they're like, okay, hands are perfect now. Yeah. Now we've got full because you can make anything in AI. Don't tell me that you couldn't make a hand look normal. Yeah. I mean, it was, we're, we're fucked.

Everyone's we're totally fucked. I the only optimistic take that I have for it is that if everything becomes fake face to face interactions become like gold and maybe people will start ditching their phones and like having those like.

If you can't tell what's real and fake online, you're going to eventually just be like, this is exhausting. I'm just going to talk to people. How is that good for us? Not us. You said us. Well, the royal us. Oh, God, I got it. The world. This is why you invest in my KO AI app that knocks out AI. I like that. Yeah, I mean, I'm not... We're fucked. Everyone's fucked. I'm just saying in...

Like 15 years when we get on the other end of being fucked, maybe there'll be a good thing, but it feels like we're fucked. I don't even believe this. I'm just trying to give you one little sliver of optimism. I mean, it is kind of nice. What's the longest that you've gone without looking at your phone in like the last week? Hmm.

Being awake. Probably like four and a half hours. Yeah, that sounds about right. My phone's charging on my desk right now. I've been thinking about it ever since I sat down. Yeah. Thinking about your phone? Yeah. What it's up to without you? I go like an hour at home. I put my phone down when I get home first with my kids. But yeah. I did a bunch of chores around my house the other day. Took me about two hours. And that two hours, I felt great even though I was just doing chores. Yeah. Like the shittiest chores. Picking up dog poop.

It's usually exactly what Max is describing because that happened to me last Sunday or whatever. It's like when your phone is out of battery and you have to do something else. So you have to plug it in and walk away. Yeah. That's really, that's it. The kangaroo was cute though. Yeah, very cute. Hank, what other hot seats you got?

I'm actually changing it to a cool throne. Oh, okay. Stefan Diggs. Oh. Cool throne. Why? I like it. Because he was in Miami partying, bunch of chicks, had like three girls, literally calling him daddy, hugging him.

There's another video where they're grinding on him, slapping their ass. He's dating Cardi B. Cardi B was on the boat. People are like, oh, Stefan Diggs caught... Cardi B was cool with this behavior. Was she cool with it? Yeah, she was on the boat. She was in the videos twerking on him. I saw a quote from Cardi B about that, though. She said... AI. He should know...

He should know better. The fact that he didn't realize what was going on around him is embarrassing and she is mad at him. Or I guess that was a quote from somebody close to Cardi B. Cardi has her fair share of relationship issues. She doesn't want it to continue with Stefan. Now that the video went viral, she's frustrated with him that he would allow that to happen. Can I say something real quick? Cardi B being mad at you is kind of hot. Yeah, very. That is very hot. So one of the other things in this article was she wishes he wouldn't be a scumbag.

No, she doesn't. No. No, she doesn't. Cardi B does not wish that her boyfriend is going to scumbag. Again, and to me, it's like this is what you want. We talk about it. You want diva wide receivers. This is wide receiver one behavior. Hank, what was in the thing he was holding? It was a pink substance. Okay. They're calling it Toosie. Okay. I don't know what that is. I do. I think it's like...

and Molly and some combination of that. I think it's like a sex drug. I'm not a drug guy, but I did go to Panama City one time. Oh, yeah. And if you're going to be... Don't do drugs. If you're going to be addicted to any substance, I can absolutely 100% see why it would be 2C and it would be awesome. 2C. Or maybe it was just cocaine for breast cancer awareness. Yeah. Or pixie dust.

The sugar? It could have been sugar. Yeah. We don't know what was... Pixie Stix. Stix. But he looked excited to be passing it out, and she looked excited to be getting it. We don't know what that is. Is Vrabel upset? Vrabel is upset. He was like, we expect Patriots plays. But he was at minicamp the next day, and that's where it's like, I think, you know, I don't know, maybe it's like a little, come on, Stefan, don't get filmed. Come on. This is the type of shit. But as long as he can perform, it's like, just, you know, people are talking about

You know, Michael Irvin, like, this is not new behavior for a wide receiver in the offseason. I can definitely see Vrabel being like, yeah, last year was pretty sweet, not having to answer questions like that. Michael Irvin, the Super Bowl winner? Yeah. Three times? Yeah. But he was at camp the next day, working out. Okay. So you think it's more like, don't do... You think it's more, come on, don't do that. It's like, hey, like... Come on, don't do that. It's like, don't let...

Be aware of the phones. Yes. Yeah. That's really the problem here. It's the phones. If you don't get filmed, I don't have to answer about it, and we got no issues. And whatever's in that bag can just keep being in that bag. It's partially the phone. He knows how it goes. It's partially the phone, but it's also partially not...

him it's him not caring that there was a phone there i think he knew the phone was there i think he knew it was being recorded yeah and he did look like a boss yeah and i think he was just like oh whatever this is fine that that is more concerning to me than if somebody like across the boat is zooming in on the alleged 2c and you don't notice it that's a problem too but i also think knowing the camera was there and being like yeah they call me daddy what's up put this online

I think Brayboy would like citizens arrest someone if they pulled out to see with him. Take him down right there. Listen, don't knock it till you try it. That's all I'm going to say. If it was. If it was. Who knows what it is. Is that your hot seat cool? I have another cool. Yeah. Assuming one of you is going to do it. Go for it. Charlie Woods. Yeah. I didn't have it. He won a tournament, a stack tournament. Other best amateurs in the world.

He won handily. He won by three strokes. What a beast. I think it was like a tailor-made invitational or something. The future. Miles Russell, who's like actually probably the best young golfer going, he made a couple cuts. I think he made a cut or like finished top five on the Corn Fairy. I think he might have made a cut on a PGA Tour event. Stud. And Charlie Woods smoked him. So that's actually legitimately like...

This is a big win for him. I saw he had one. Was it the day before he had a hilarious scorecard where I think he does the first day he had like two pars and everything else was in the two pars were par three. Yeah.

So everything else was either like an eagle birdie or double bogey. He was like two under. Yeah, he was two under with two pars. It's safe to say the future is now in golf, and his name is Charlie Woods. Forget about the live tour. Forget about the PGA. Charlie and Tiger could start their own tour. I'd watch it. Yep. Yeah. All right. Good job, Hank. Thank you. Stay with us. Miles Russell made PGA Tour debut at 15. Youngest player to make the Corn Fairy cut, and he played in a PGA event.

Did not make the cut. Got it. But legit, and Charlie Woods smoked him. Charlie Woods over under five and a half career majors. Over. Over. Smash. Easy. Smash it. Easy. Scotty, you better win now. Yep. Clock's ticking, buddy. Chucky's coming. Mm-hmm. PFT, your hot seat quote. My hot seat is me and Big Cat. Stones? Firmly on the hot seat. No. Stones are great.

Why do you all automatically jump to the kidney stone? We're the model of health. I've been lifting again. I've been drinking a lot of water. Our penises are great. That's usually what precedes it. So, yeah, we're on the hot seat because we have been blocked online by Rebecca Romaine O'Connell. And I didn't see it coming. I don't know what we did.

I actually checked my DMs. I know what you did. Yeah, we know what we did. I checked my DMs. I didn't hit send on the DM because I'm a good guy. What about the words you said on this podcast? That's what we did. Well, that's not a DM. She doesn't listen to this podcast. It's unfair that she used the podcast against us. That's not fair. It got clipped and posted online. These are international waters, Rebecca. It was satire. What were you going to say, Max?

I disagree. I think that you should respect her and all women in every facet of medium. In every facet of medium? Are you saying she's a medium? No, like a medium. Like a 5 out of 10? 6 out of 10? Wrong. I think, okay. Like this is a medium. Is that my? That's the right word. Yeah.

I think the way I got there was wrong, but I ended up landing the plane, I think. Well, the bottom line is I think it's a little bit unfair. We haven't met, and I think that's the only way that you can really get to know somebody. You're not counting dreams? Not dreams. We haven't met in real life. In real life, and the only way you can really judge a person's character if you stare deeply, deeply into their eyes...

And heart. And heart. And maintain that eye contact for a period of time until you've sufficiently been able to fall in love with him. And I just think that she's not giving us a fair shake. Yeah, so there's theories out there. Maybe when I said that she was hitting on me, when PFTU said you wanted her phone number.

Someone threw out the theory that she is so attracted to us she had to block us because she doesn't want to break up her marriage. That's a good call. I did DM her. It was all respectful. I sent the DMs to Jerry because I was like, hey, you're accusing me of something I didn't do. Here's my entire DMs to her. I said, big fan. Hope you're well. All due respect.

That's pretty nice, right? That's great. She wrote back, keep it clean. I am serious. You have this bing bong idiot running around the house. That's talking about her husband, Jerry O'Connell, making stupid videos all the time, all while our driveway is rubble. Don't make me block you. Bing bong. And I said, nothing but respect. But also when we win fantasy this year, the driveway will be fixed. That's a guarantee. That's our entire correspondence. I don't get it. I don't get it.

She followed Max. And she followed Max. But that felt, you know what? Oh, shit. What? I forgot I said I would crawl through a mile of glass if I could just bottle one of her farts.

I didn't actually say that was a prank. I did not say that. The fact that she followed Max tells me she's just doing that to try to get at us. Yeah. She's trying to make us jealous. That's kind of flirting. That's the most flirting that any of us have done with each other is her following Max. She's putting gum in our hair. Yeah. Okay, I get it. I'll play that game. Oh, that's good. That's a good game. That's how our relationship is. We tease. You're going to DM her, Max?

Absolutely not. Let's workshop one right now. Yeah. Nope. No, you can keep it. I kept it. I said no DMs. I kept it clean on the DMs. No Hamas. Obviously not. No, no, no. She didn't block me. I DMed her. I want to be able to follow her content. I DMed her two weeks ago.

She didn't block us until we said that stuff on the podcast, which again, shouldn't be used. That was just playfulness. And that's just a guy's talk. Yeah. We're just playing around. This is how we, this is how we flirt. Not flirt. We were not flirting, but it sounds like she's flirting with, it's like, uh, uh, the president of France's wife just to give him a little shove in the face. That's what she's doing to us. We're just very, very happy together. I said absolutely no DMS.

I'm a man of my word. Max. I am a man of my word. This is just us doing the podcast now. Yep. You going to hit? Hit what? No. What is that? I don't even know what you're referring to. No. Let's talk about softball. Yeah. We have a game next week. Are you going to hit? Yeah. Okay. I'm going to try my best playing softball. So smash? I'm trying to focus on respect over here. Do you think you're going to get to third base?

In softball? Yeah. Max is a long singles guy. Memes, make a quote card that says, Max confirmed going to hit. No, this is a lie.

While talking about softball. This is fake news media right here. We're being such cock blocks. Listen, I'm just trying to be respectful. Not everyone on this show is respectful. I am. Absolutely no DMs. I said absolutely no DMs. I said I was going to keep it clean. I'm over here keeping it clean. What if she's, though, just throwing this out there, what if she kind of wants you to DM her and now you're not? I am a man of my word. Keeping it clean. Absolutely no DMs. Okay. Would you accept a DM from her?

Would you read a DM from her? Would you reply to a DM from her? No, I would not reply. Would you read it with your eyes? That would be disrespectful. But it's absolutely no DMs. Well, then you should block her to make sure that there's no DMs. No, because I... Blocking her wouldn't be a power move. You know what? It'd be a down with the boys. We'll go get some pizza together. Fucking put on a movie. You know what? We'll put on...

I mean, Hank's not even in the mix on this one. Why don't you block her? We'll go get a pizza. We'll put on some Sam Huffy highlights, and we'll fucking chill. The boys. Are you down with the boys? I'm going to stay unblocked. Wow. Max isn't down with the boys. You should block her. You really should. Nope. You should block all women. Damn. If you really respected them. Damn, Max. I respect their content. You're not down with the boys. What's your favorite piece of content that she's put out?

On X, everything. On X, the everything app, everything's happening on X. You're going to answer the question? Probably her blocking you guys in my favorite content. I would have missed that. What's your favorite movie or TV show she's been in? X-Men. Librarians. Librarians. The original? You know what? He passed the test. He's a Rebecca Romijn fan. We like Rebecca Romijn. We'd love to have her on the show. Absolutely. Respectfully. Be awesome.

People are also making fun of me because I spelled roll R-O-L-L and that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Thinking about bread. Yeah, no. I'm not in a place to judge. Yeah. I'm going to get her back. Yeah. The only way I know. I probably am not.

I also spent so much time on this tweet, too. I proofread it like three times, and I still spelled roll wrong. You indented your paragraph. Yeah. I've never seen that on Twitter. I thought it was respectful to do that. You put it in there. Really respectful. Yeah, no. I read it out loud to my girlfriend, this tweet.

You MLA formatted a tweet. She was like, I think that sounds good. Max thought Indante was how he liked his pasta cooked. All right. You Cool Throne? My Cool Throne is me and Big Cat. Yeah. Cool Throne is me and Big Cat because, man, I've been watching some baseball in the last week.

Mm-hmm.

And I personally cannot wait for this year's All-Star game because for the kids, the next generation of superstars is here. What about PCA? And PCA. And PCA. These are all guys. And you know what? Maybe a veteran gets tossed in there from the lefty side. Schwarber put him in the- Bryce Harper? Probably mostly just Schwarber. Kyle Tucker? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Why not? They usually just do one player from each team. Yeah. True. True. True. So I think that the future is bright for left handed superstars in Major League Baseball. It is. And I'm just excited. They should actually do like I can't remember what the competition is called. Whatever is escaping me. But it's like one of the ones where they get everyone just like hit over and over the All-Star weekend. They should do that 25 and under.

yeah phenoms yeah yeah the yeah the showcase it's like some kind of i don't know it's like who can hit the most over the fence i can't remember oh yeah the uh the futures game no no no it's like a celebrity one person goes up and they try to hit it over the fence and the next person goes up i think i just mentioned a second ago but i'm forgetting what it's called again yeah uh the

Or maybe just the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. The Kentucky Derby and at the all-star break, maybe just lefties have to be 25 and under. Yeah. That's fine. Uh, but yeah, these guys are absolutely raking. So the future is bright. Future is bright. Very bright. Um, okay. My hot seat. Uh, I'm going to, I, I want to throw a take out there. We could even call it my future take of the year. Uh,

I'm just going to throw it out there. We'll do it on the takeies, but I'll just get ahead of this one. I think NBA free agency comes around July. I think there is going to be an announcement. This will be LeBron James last year, and he's going to make us suffer through an entire year long. He opted in scumbag.

This is going to be scum. He might even piece of shit. He opted in. So he might even opted in for $52 million. He's a billionaire. He might even do it. He might even do it during the NBA finals. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he does during the NBA finals. So why is he a scumbag for opting in? Because he has so much money and he's basically screwing his team for next year when he could have just signed a much more team friendly deal and actually gotten players that could help them win. He does not need. He's not even good enough. He's not good enough for $52 million a year. Mm hmm.

He could have signed for 30. He's not going to miss the extra 20 million. I didn't realize he could use the 20 million to actually make their team better, but he doesn't care about that because he's a selfish piece of shit. Hank, I respect the take. I love it, but it's also hard to tell somebody, hey, you should just not make $30 million. Yeah, but him. But do you want to win? Do you want to win? Brady.

What did Brady do? That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it took pay cut. I know. I was helping you out there. No, I know. I was trying to get you to explain. Oh, got it, got it, got it. I thought you were attacking. No, no, no, no. I think it's coming. I think it's happening. It's happening soon. He's going to announce it. It's going to be a whole thing. Yeah, I think it's happening. It's definitely happening during finals. Like, it's all relative. Yeah, the finals. It's hard to turn on 20 million, but sometimes you get given...

$2,000 free bet. You're like, I'm just going to give it to the producers because that relative to everything, $2,000 is not as big to you. So you're like, yeah, I'll pay it forward. Retail. Retail for the boys. Yes. This year's All-Star game in LA, I think it's going to be... It's technically the Clippers All-Star game, but it's in LA. He can have that move. All the stars.

This is going to be it. Now, I didn't know he opted in. It's going to be maybe during the finals. That's my future take of the year. The only thing I could think that would happen would be he does this last year. It's a one-year opt-in? Yeah. Yes. And then he goes back to Cleveland at the end. I could see him doing that, too. Maybe. But that's going to be a long year. It's going to be a long year. All right, my cool throws. What about Bryce?

Oh, yeah, Bryce. I don't know if Bryce is good enough. What? What are you going to say, man? Does that matter? Bryce Harper? No. Bryce Maximus. His other son. I got a couple cool drones. The first is Max. The Sixers. The Sixers.

Oh, yeah, Max Holm is back, fully back. Did you see – so the rehearsal's obviously been going around. Great show, Nathan Fielder. Did you see that on – I haven't watched the show. Okay. This isn't about that. Well, it is. It's about the first season, I guess second season as well. Someone on the Sixers Reddit said the Sixers should do the rehearsal with Ben Simmons. So here's what the person wrote. Was thinking about what a strange career Ben Simmons has had and if there's any chance he turns back into the player he once was.

I've also been watching the rehearsal on HBO with Nathan Fielder, and in the show he creates mock situations for people to overcome their fears. This often includes hiring actors, building full sets. The current season revolves around airplane pilots. What if the Sixers did this with Ben? We bring Ben back and build a mock Wells Fargo Center full with paid actor fans, actors as commentators, refs, and players. Then we have Ben make the infamous passed-up dunk.

On the Hawks actors and overcome his fear. That's not a bad idea. Then boom, we get all-star Ben again, still in his prime at age 28. That's not a bad idea. It's a pretty good idea. Nathan Fielder, he could pull this off. I think he might be back. They could get him to do it. A million percent. One problem. What? I think he hates Philadelphia. Philadelphia hates him. But that's the whole point. But this is a way to heal. He makes the dunk, and then everyone's like, holy shit, the Sixers...

Ben Simmons did it. I think since it's a two-way problem, it's not just Ben Simmons' problem because the city is not in a good place with him. Nathan needs to also have a Ben Simmons lookalike that just walks around town all the time until he gets like 100% happiness. So you guys have to put in the work too. I have something to say. What? I feel like this is like a relationship thing.

where like it was a really really really toxic bad relationship as it was going on but it was fun it was so hot and then you broke up and then like years later thinking about her neither person is really finding happiness in their new relationships so they're like let me maybe go back to that really bad toxic one

And then that never actually works. Are you talking about you and Rebecca Romijn? I'm not talking about me and Rebecca Romijn. That is a friend of mine, and I respect her work. I feel like it has worked, though, in the past. I feel like that doesn't work. I think he might be right that it doesn't really work. Yeah, but it might this time. But Philadelphia hated Ben Simmons, and Ben Simmons...

hated Philadelphia and there were some very mean things. Max, be honest with me. Me. Be honest. I started it. Who started it? Philly fans. The fans did. He was very honest about that. The fans were very, very mean to Ben Simmons. Yeah. For sure. Is there anything that you would take back? No, he was a piece of shit for a lot of the things that he did. But you said that you started. Yeah, no. Would you take back starting it?

You only get to live life once. I think you guys just need to say I'm sorry. Yeah. Have you tried that? Is it too late to say I'm sorry? I think it's too late to say that we're sorry. Okay. Instead, I hope. Yeah? Yeah, you're thinking about it. I don't really have anything to say towards Ben Simmons. I don't want to say anything negative towards the man. I certainly don't want to say anything positive towards the man.

Okay, that's fair. That's kind of progress. Yeah, no, that's progress. If Ben Simmons was on fire, would you pour water on him and put him out? How much water? You have a full two buckets of water. Am I having a choice of using that water for something else or putting it on him? Yeah, you could drink it later if you got thirsty.

Could I maybe donate that water to someone in need? No. All right. Ben Simmons is on fire. Ben Simmons is on fire. You have one big pot of water. You also have a bunch of pasta, and that's the only way you can cook it. And you're hungry. And you're hungry. You're a hungry boy. I could probably use half the water. I would give him half a bucket and keep the other half for the pasta. Okay. So which half of his body would you put out? Uh...

I would just probably his face. Keep his face. Nice. Keeps his face. All right. My other cool progress. Yeah. My other cool throne is Hank and all the perverts like Hank because Sidney Sweeney is selling 5000 bars of soap that contain drops of her own bathwater.

That's nice. Brilliant marketing. It is brilliant marketing. You should DM her. You should DM her. I'll DM her again. How much did it cost? Wait, when was the last time we made you DM her? Oh, no, that was J-Lo. Yeah, that was J-Lo. How much does the soap cost? I don't know. Is it up for auction? Well, smart marketing, though, because everyone obviously quoted it instantly. Yeah. Like, I want it. So congrats, Hank. So it's made with her bathwater. The soap has a drop of her bathwater in it.

How long was she in the bath? I want to know more about this product. I want to know. You need the stats? I need the stats. You're looking at the back of the cart. I am. You want to see what the stats are on the back of the cart. Has the soap been graded? Oh, yeah. Ravel's going to definitely get involved. Yes, he's going to do lines of it like it's Toosie. Yeah. How many Firefests do you have? What? How many Firefests do you have? Did we miss one? Why? I thought you were going another way with perverts like Hank. Oh, okay.

No. I only have one Fyre Fest. Hank, I have a question. Yeah. Is there another way that you might be a pervert? No, like the way where you're like, Hank. You submit to a crowd. No, you're like, Hank. No, like people, you know, like me that hate... Like, I thought you were going to talk about how the ice cream machine is just never going to go off. Oh, no, no. You could talk about that. Yeah. But it will. What did you report on the show last week? You know what? Because we're going to do Fyre Fest with a member of the Cream Team, so he can maybe...

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Okay, here he is, our good friend, Greg Olson. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest and also a very close friend. It is Emmy-winning...

Emmy winning and Emmy nominated again. It's Greg Olson, our good friend. Greg, great to have you on. Tight End U is coming up again June 23rd to 25th. I don't want to have this be the entire interview being us sucking your dick, although we do love you very much and you've been ride or die since day one. But I would like to suck your dick for a little bit if that's okay.

Yeah, great. We have all the time. It doesn't usually take that long. Okay, all right. So Tight End U has started. The arrow pointing up for tight ends, you had our good friend George Kittle get a $19 million a year contract. I looked it up. 14 tight ends next year are making $10 million or more, and...

I believe this was the first year. I didn't go back all the way to 50 years ago, but this is the first year that I could find that two tight ends were drafted in the top 14 of the NFL draft with Colson Loveland and Tyler Warren. Tight ends are on the up and up, and I think it's all credit to you guys at Tight End U.

Listen, I think it'd be impossible to not see the correlation, right? I think in the last five years, the position just continues to ascend. I think obviously from a financial standpoint, I think what I'm learning now is instead of us raising all this, you know,

We have all these sponsors paying for all these guys. I feel like these guys should kind of pay us back. I mean, we should get like a cut, like an agent fee. Titan U should get an agent fee of every new contract signed post 2021, which is year one of TEU. Like, I feel like you pay your trainer, you pay your agent, you pay your marketing guy, your nutritionist, your chef, all these people that you say help elevate your career. Yet we're paying you.

the guys to elevate their career and don't get anything in return. It's almost like you're being taken advantage of. Yeah, you're right. It feels a lot like that. Also, you do a great job of getting quarterbacks. A lot of times backup quarterbacks will come to TEU, and then they end up getting a chance to start, and then they get paid. Yeah.

Yeah, Darnold. I mean, do we get a cut of Darnold? He was at TEU last year. Do we get a cut of his check? Right. I would say absolutely. And then you also should get a cut of their check, and then you should also give money to any podcasts that have you guys on to talk about Titan U. That's like, what is it, like Inception shit. That's like next level shit.

Yeah. I think we just, you got to just continue to pay the machine down the pipeline because without the, without the base, like without people like you putting this out there, there is no $19 million contract by George Kittle because there is no TEU. There is no lessons. There is no improvement because no one knows about the event. There's no Bud Light. There's no dude wipes. There's no Jersey Mike's. There's no new era. There's no sponsors. It

It all goes hand in hand. I would say that there's no tight end. Yeah. Like the position. There's no football. At this point, the position would be extinct. We'd be all, we'd be playing, you know, flag football with guys, you know, four receivers out wide. You'd have two running backs. Yeah, we're in 10 personnel, one back. Yeah. So I think we figured it out that we all just need, it's trickle down economics. I think that worked well, right? Yeah.

It does. Yeah. We're in a great spot right now. Great spot. I appreciate you guys saying that you guys have been a big supporter of TEU from when it was just a random idea that George threw out there to me when I retired. And then here we are now in year five and we're going to have like 85 guys down in Nashville. And I think what's cool. And you guys know this is like part of the appeal of the position is

is a lot of the guys, like even though there are a lot of superstars in Kittle and Kelsey and whatnot, they're still just kind of like dudes, right? They're just kind of like regular guys who want to work out, they want to train, they want to go drink a beer, a Bud Light at the bar, and they want to like hang. So I think there's like the culture and vibe, like the fraternity component of the position.

And then to your point, like the position continues to be elevated and it continues to, you know, be talked about more than just the former converted quarterback and the former converted defensive end and the slow white guy used to play receiver. And now he can only play tight end. Like 20 years ago, that was a lot of the position, not all of them, but.

Those days are over. Like guys are now spending their entire lives training to be professional tight ends. And when I was coming up the ranks of a high school college kid, that wasn't the case. Yeah. Do you guys do things like invite coordinators or who's out there like running the play calls and the setup of what kind of offense you're actually going to be putting these guys through? Because I feel like that would be a good addition to right.

Yeah. So we have to be careful. We can't have current coaches. So it's the dead period of the NFL. So there are some rules the NFL stipulates, like coaches can't be in contact on the field with their players and whatnot. So it gets a little dicey. Like we do it at a college because we couldn't do it at the Titans facility. We couldn't do it in Chicago at the Bears facility. So we got to find another really cool venue. We'll see if there's any of those. So like we couldn't do it at stuff like that, but we run it, you know,

you know, and I don't do any of the drills. You know, I try to keep us on track. They kind of joke with me and they call me dad because I'm the one like yelling at Kittle and George and Travis, like, we need you back here. We got this drill, you're running this station. And, you know, so we're trying to keep the trains on the track, but, you know, we just kind of do it ourselves. We've been to a lot of practices. We've been to a lot of meetings. We know what we're trying to get accomplished. And then,

In real time, we do the best that we can to stay on track. And sometimes we kind of go haywire and just improvise. But yeah, we don't have any coaches. We do it all. It's tight ends, teaching tight ends.

And when Kelsey's demonstrating a drill with Kittle, there's two undrafted guys that have never stepped foot on an NFL field that dreams are just to make a roster. They're the next guy in line right behind them. So like, that's a really cool kind of synergy that goes on is they're all for these three days. Everyone's kind of the same and everyone's working towards what's that next step on the ladder. And it's very different for every guy. I really should get involved at some point. I don't like that. They call you dad.

You just turned 40. We just turned 40. How does 40 feel for you? Any kidney stones? I mean, our bodies are breaking down. Why are you getting so many kidney stones? I think it's just being a man. Do you drink enough water? Probably not.

Probably eat too many wings. Yeah, I would say probably the hefty amount, maybe 15 days of gumbo in a row might have something to do with the sodium. Yeah, there's a lot of sodium in gumbo, but it's so delicious. Yeah. So wait, how are you feeling at 40, though? Because we're kind of similar. Our bodies have taken a beating. Right. Podcasting, playing in the NFL, kind of the same thing. I would say it's a mixed bag.

I would, you know, guys like us that have been through what we've been through. I think we're feeling similar things. You know, there's some days where I wake up and I feel great. And there's some days where I wake up and I can't stand up because my back is in a full spasm. And literally the day before, all I did was like,

walk around the house and walk up the stairs. I didn't do anything overly active. So I haven't quite figured out like why some days are better than others. I have made like a conscious effort. I'm not perfect, but like Monday through Friday, like I can't go to the men's grill at the club every day and meet my buddies for lunch after golf and like have two beers because that's 10. So like I try not to have any beers during the week.

I try not to eat. So I try to make like subtle things, but I wouldn't say I'm in fighting shape. I wouldn't say I'm in terrible shape. I'm probably 10 pounds overweight of where I need to be. Same. Yeah. So I could probably lose 10. I could probably be a little bit more active. I'm terrified of rupturing my Achilles. Oh, yeah. It's my greatest fear in my life.

And you know, what's weird is like, that's one of those things, like you got to like build back up your lower body strength and your ability to like jump and run and do all that. But it's like a slow build, but I'm so terrified of even starting that journey because I don't want to tear my Achilles trying to prep my Achilles for more workouts that I just do nothing. Right. Right. Like I can't even get started. So that I would say that's my, that's a big fear I have of not like playing men's league basketball or anything.

Back to playing tennis and stuff like that. The Achilles thing is so funny because when we play hoops here, I am afraid to stretch my Achilles because I think I'll tear my Achilles stretching my Achilles. So then I don't stretch my Achilles.

And then you play the whole game scared you're going to pop your Achilles. Yeah. That's what I go through. Yes. You take one step in the morning and your heel kind of hurts and you think to yourself, I better not do anything active today because this is the day. Exactly. And I know like 10 guys around town that have popped their Achilles. And then I try to like rationalize with myself, like I'm in better shape than them. Like I've done more, but then I also am like, but I've done a lot more like my body's

So like I kind of talk myself in circles. So then I end up like driving a golf cart to play nine holes and then go sit in a men's grill and have a burger and a Arnold Palmer iced tea. And like, I didn't have a beer. So that was a good day. Yeah. Yeah. Do you find yourself struggling to do cardio? That for me, that's the big one. It's like, I can't, I hate cardio. If you're not playing a sport, then it sucks. If I'm playing a sport, then I can run. But just to run, just to run, it's just, it's the worst thing ever.

I can't. And it's not physically that I can't. My ADD and attention span is so bad. I'll be like, all right, I'm going to go walk on the treadmill for 20 minutes on an incline. I have like a little weighted vest and I'll get a good sweat.

I'll be walking. I'll have a podcast in or a mute, you know, whatever, listen to music, whatever. And I'll look down. I'm like, that had to be like six or seven minutes. I'm at like 45 seconds. I'm like, I can't do this. Like I can't, I turn it off and I go sit in the sauna and I'm like, I walked out with a great sweat. That's an exercise too. Yeah. Yeah. My heart rate was elevated. I didn't pop my Achilles. I got a good sweat. I'll shower and

I'll chalk that as a win, but I, I, I, us 40 year olds, we all kind of get it. Yeah. Just guys talking 40. All right. I got it. I got one more, uh, Dick sucking thing and it will lead to a bigger question about the NFL season coming up, which we're excited for. Uh, I was thinking about it and I, I want to give you credit for the way you handled the whole going from one to two. Also no big deal, but, uh, you got emanate, you got, uh,

for an Emmy as the number two. No big deal, but that's pretty cool. And you also won an Emmy last year, I believe. But,

I feel like most people would just give cliche answers all the time and you saying like, no, I want to be number one again. I want to call the big games. I want to be back there. I appreciate that because I think a lot of people just do the nice thing and they say, oh yeah, I'm cool with it. I'm just so lucky to have a job. It's like, no, no, I'm competitive. I want to do it. So credit to you. I've always loved the way you've approached it.

What time in the summer are you going to start doing research? And maybe we could talk a little 2025 ball. I'm at the point of the summer where I'm like, I can't wait for football. 99 days. 99 days. So do you have maybe some early thoughts that we can toss around and talk some ball?

Well, I appreciate the comment. I appreciate the compliment. It means a lot. Yeah. And I've been very adamant about where I stand and I'm also, and again, it doesn't always come through with headlines. I don't know if you guys are familiar with that, but like sometimes the headlines don't always match the story. It's something new that people are doing. You guys should try it. But I say all of that, like I always make sure I'm very clear where my personal aspirations to

you know, continue to ascend in this industry and to get back to calling those games are completely independent of like Tom and I, like,

we've hung out personally like we've we talk on the phone we keep in touch he sent a cool video for my youth football team as like a warm-up to the season like go kick their ass thing like we talk about raising teenage daughters we've gone and played golf together we hung out down in the bahamas at a little retreat like we've gotten to be very good friends and a very personal level since he's joined fox like me and him have been in the same room a lot together and hung out together it

in groups. So like there's, there's this idea that there's this like personal animosity and competition. There is not my relationship with Tom and Fox and Joe Davis and Burkhart and all, and all my people at Fox couldn't be better.

On the other parallel line to that, yes, I want to ascend in the industry. I'm sure Joe Davis wants to call Super Bowls as well. It doesn't mean he doesn't like Burkhart and so on and so forth. I think any motivated guy, you want to be the best at what you do. That is not a knock on the people that are ahead of you currently. That's just how I've always been wired. I appreciate you saying that. I would love to talk ball. I'd love to talk bears. I think the bears are super fun.

I'm selfishly hoping the bears are really good. Not because we root for teams, but because sometimes it's fun to root for a city. Like I, we didn't call any bears games last year, right? Like our crew, we should be calling noon kickoffs in Chicago, especially in that division all year long. Like that should be a no brainer early window Fox game.

Bears-Lions, Bears-Vikings, Bears-Pac. We should be calling all those Bears games. I didn't call one Bears game last year. We need Chicago to be good. Yes, I agree. All right, so last thing on that, I love what you just said there because it is the truth. I think there's this weird thing that's happened in media where people can't be aspirational and they can't say, hey, I want to be the best, and that comes across cocky. It's the opposite. You're literally just saying,

yeah, I'm in this to be the best. I want to get back to the best. So as for the bears and Colson Loveland, what have you seen from Ben Johnson and what he does with the tight end position? And how does that fit with Colson Loveland? Yeah. So, I mean, I'm a huge, Ben Johnson was the guy for that job. And I know there was a lot of speculation about, it was going to go a couple of directions and was Ben Johnson going to end up in, in Vegas with the Raiders. And there was a lot of rumor and speculation from the jump.

everything Chicago has done the last couple of years, and it hasn't all been perfect and it hasn't all been right.

But the pieces they had, the environment in which Ben Johnson was walking into, I thought Chicago had the most built-in wins based on their current. So, like, I always judge coaching jobs, guys, by, like, all right, if just someone that knows what they're doing takes over and it's an offensive guy because the offense stinks or a defensive guy, whatever, someone just gets the current group of guys organized and brings out the best in all of them. I'm not even saying we bring in a million new players. How many wins...

are there just built into that roster i thought chicago had the biggest spread i thought just the development of caleb williams roman dunzey and dj moore they had cole commit now they draft loveland they continue to invest in the offensive line although that still could get better like all of a sudden now with ben johnson pulling the strings like that's a real offense they've made serious investment into the defensive side of the ball free agents drafts over the last couple years like

Like I'm not saying they're going to be the best defense in league, but that balance of offense and defense with Ben Johnson and his system put in place, there's three or four wins built into that roster.

Yeah.

And that wasn't an accident. And what you just said is actually kind of what PFT went through last year where Dan Quinn comes in and it's like,

Dan Quinn, he's better than an organizer, but the floor rises up when you get a competent head coach who knows what he's doing in a day-in, day-out basis. And I think our roster was much worse than Chicago's roster is right now going into last season. Like, we had to get a bunch of one-year rentals off the street, and it was like, okay. You're talking about in Detroit? No, no, I'm talking about in D.C., Dan Quinn. Oh, yeah, Washington. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Dan, I'm sorry. I thought you said Dan Campbell. I'm sorry.

Oh, yeah. No, he's another good example, though, where, yeah, the culture and organizing guys. Oh, no, DQ. No, DQ. Oh, that's the perfect example. And I would, yes, Washington's roster compared to last year, compared to the Bears roster this year, I agree. At least on paper, the Bears roster is significantly, maybe not significantly, is better, but you can't put what Jane Daniels did. Like, it's, I don't know if we could expect anyone, if Caleb Williams is Jane Daniels,

then the bears are gonna yeah yeah they're as good as anybody so like that's the caveat to all that like for that roster and dan quinn was awesome and kingsbury was awesome jade and daniels had arguably the greatest rookie season of any quarterback in history yeah yeah yeah it's pretty cool it's pretty fun to watch uh so going through the young tight ends that you have right now in the nfl and you're not allowed to say brock bowers for this besides brock who is the best young tight end that we should keep our eye on

Yeah, I would have said Brock. Yeah. That would have been cheating. Yeah, that's a tough caveat. That's a good question. Good question. I like Laporta. I like Laporta. I think Laporta is really good. I think what's cool about Laporta is that –

He's not like... He's not Brock Bowers. He's not, you know, the Kelsey where he's like so flashy and you put on the tape and you're like, holy shit, this guy's so fast. Oh my God, this guy runs the best routes. Oh my God, this guy is dumping people in the run game on his back. Which maybe is why I appreciate it because that was never me either. But like every time you watch Laporta do something, you're like...

Like he's really good at that. He's really good at that. He's like, he's really good at everything. Hence why he plays in that system and why Ben Johnson was able to do what they did with him. And he never has to come off the field because he's not a liability in the past game. I mean, he's not a liability in the run game. He's not a liability when they asked him a couple of times a game to pass pro, he can win on third downs. He can win on all the play action stuff where they kind of script them open and

He can do all of it good enough that he can stay on the field the whole time. And that's where you really see the value of these guys because they don't come off. So their volume of opportunity goes up. So I really like Laporta. I think we have a great young generation of guys coming up behind the Kittles and the Kelsey's of the world that,

I think the position of tight end is as strong, if not stronger than it's been maybe ever. Yeah. We should talk about Brock though, because I don't, I don't want to completely gloss over. He's obviously the number one answer to that question. But what was it about his rookie year? What did he do that was so special that you haven't seen from other players? Man, you know, I remember the first time I watched him play and you saw six, five white guy playing in the sec running through the secondary and nobody was catching him.

Like that is just unique to be that tall, that long, super linear in that conference. And you look like the fastest guy on the field. And I think he was only maybe a freshman or maybe a redshirt freshman, whatever it was, he was young. And I remember thinking to myself, like if he was able to come out of the draft as a, as a, after his second year, like you didn't have to stay for his third year. If he was able to leave as a, whether it was a sophomore or redshirt freshman, whatever it was,

He would have been a top 10 pick. Like he was that good. You're going to make an argument, him and Marvin Harrison Jr. were the best two, two of the best prospects in the draft. And they, neither one of them could come out two years ago. So like, or three years ago, whatever it was. So he's uniquely talented. I think he went into an interesting situation where even though the team wasn't very good,

there is like a volume of opportunity chances when you're playing on a team that is losing, where you're throwing the ball for four quarters because you're always playing catch up. There's so many opportunities in the passing game. You might not have a lot of other weapons, so they're going to design the system to go through you. I'll be interested to see how that plays out now with the new regime and Pete Carroll and Gino loves his tight ends, but like

They're going to run the ball. They are going to be under center to back. Like it's going to be a little bit of a different aspect than what he was used to last year. But as fewer is just a talent I've said, I think he's the best tight end prospect to come out of the draft in the last 10 years, 10, 15 years, like,

and his rookie year matched it, if not exceeded it, which was pretty incredible. Yeah. His rookie year was incredible, especially given the fact that the Raiders were kind of, you know, lost a little bit with, with their quarterback situation and the talent on the roster. I got a question, uh, about tight ends. How much wiggle does a tight end need? And is there such a thing as too much wiggle for a tight end? Because your slot receiver, you want a lot of wiggle. Yeah. Uh,

So by wiggle, you're talking like weaving, getting it out of your brain, a little shake, a little shimmy? Yeah, a little bit of that where it's like you don't want to give up too much. You don't want to have too much wiggle because then you might not be great at blocking, but you also can't be – you see sometimes tight ends or players on the field, they have a stiffness to them that you're like, all right, that's not going to work in the NFL. Yeah, so like – and no, you're right, and that's why the top, top guys over the last couple years, the last – call it 10 years –

They're they're unique. And now we're seeing more and more of the body types that can handle both the run game stuff and be effective in the passing game stuff. We're seeing more and more of the six, four, six, five guy who in years past was a quarterback, a defensive end, a basketball player who now instead of just joining tight end late into the game and being like a project.

We're seeing them now. They've played their entire life at the position, so they're just so much more advanced than maybe they were in years past. I think to your point, though, there is a little bit of a fine line unless you're just your kiddle, right, where you're so strong in the run game and you can hold your own, but you're only 200 yards.

50 pounds, maybe soaking wet. He's probably closer to the high 240s, which is not very big. When I came into the league, if you weren't 260, 265, you were looked at as a little tight end. Nowadays, a lot of these guys are in the 40s and they're just so strong in their technique and their toughness. They can get by hanging in the run game. There's a willingness and a want to, but

you know, you always say like a guy's light in the ass. Like there's some guys that are a little light in the ass where they can get in and out of breaks and they're super fluid and they can run those choice routes and those option routes and they can sink their hips and they can drop their weight. And that allows them to get in and out like a, like more of like an Edelman and a slot receiver type guy. It's hard to do that at six, five, right? Right. Your center of gravity is so much higher. Your legs are longer. You're a lot, you're more like linear built and,

And that's why what Kelsey does again, we're talking about historically great players is so unique because he is six, five, but can drop and can sink his hip. So it's hard to find those guys, but yeah, you can be too light in the ass, which means like you just got no anchor. Like you can't just stick your hips into the ground and hold your, you might not drive the guy back, but you're going to hold your ground and at least tie, um,

those guys are going to be the guys that are only in the game on passing downs. And they're not going to be three down guys because you have to at least be able to be competitive. If I'm going to play you in first and second down nowadays, I can't only have you in the game to run routes. Like,

It's virtually impossible to play that style in most NFL offenses. There's a few, but in most of them you can't. At TAU, do you have conversations with some of those guys? Maybe the ones that are light in the ass. They look like they can't hold up and run support. And do you suggest to them maybe get No. 88 or No. 89? Maybe you don't get a team number. And then the ones that are kind of big and bulky, you're like, you should try to wear No. 11. Mm-hmm.

Smart. Yeah. I think what number you wear is critical because I think sometimes like trick, like fake it till you make it. Yeah. So I think like oftentimes get it. If you're a slight guy getting a box here, 88 is a great example. I wish I would have thought of that. I would have gone a little more slimming, but a little bit more boxy. It makes the, at least everyone thinks like, all right, this guy can sink his hips and he can strike and he can hold his ground. And

And then maybe you're a little heavier, a little later in your career, maybe you can slim down number-wise. I think that's smart. Yeah. We might build that in. Yeah, you see high 80s, you're like, that's tight end. Yeah, and I think it also would help them personally. They'd see themselves in the mirror, and they'd see pictures wearing number 88. And it's like, first you see it, then you believe it, then you do it. Yeah. That's smart. It's like the scene in...

in, um, um, cool runnings, right? When the guy's like, look in the mirror and tell me what you see. Like he's like, he's talking himself in to go fight the guy in the bar. I see pride. I see power. Like it's kind of the same idea. Like I see an eight and an eight, I'm a damn tight end and I'm going to go fucking hit you in the face. Yeah. Yeah.

Listen. That's real. We'll give real. It is real. We've talked about someday maybe doing a course at TU about the media, but we could also throw in how important is picking a number and what you have to go through. We absolutely. Really smart. Because you know what a fast number is. You know what a slow number is. You know what a blocking number is. You can just feel it. So we're more than willing to do that. What are your guys' thoughts on the number zero? I hate it.

It's unless here's the one exception. If it's like a scat back. Yeah. If it's like a returner, Darren Sproles. Who's the best number zero in the NFL right now? Like I know Brian Burns wears number zero. I know. I think Miles Sanders for the, for the Panthers. Does he wear number zero or somebody on the Panthers? I know the Panthers have a zero. Is there like a super. Yeah. Yeah. So am I. I mean, I'm making this up as I go. I'm just trying to think like, I don't,

My first gut reaction to number zero is I hate it. DeAndre Swift used to wear zero with the Braxton Berrios. Yeah. Calvin Ridley. Uh-huh.

Yeah, I think you got to be like a – I think if you wear number zero, you have to be like, hey, I'm good for like three punt or kickoff returns a year for a touchdown. Like you can't – that's what comes with it. Yeah, you can't just be like a guy. You can't just be like, oh, yeah, he's a good player. Like I think to wear a number like that,

You need to be like, I'm just the baddest dude on the block and there's nothing you can do about it. Like Justin Jefferson. Yeah. I also think Roquan, I think we're zero for the Ravens. Roquan? He didn't for the Bears. That's terrifying. He is good because he's like, zero, you have to have speed. It has to be like speed that's going to fuck you up, whether it be in the kick return or a linebacker just fucking going through the middle of the field. He said before you start with one, you start with zero.

And Dan, that's so true. Yeah, Roquan will put his head through your skull, so that's a good one. Yeah, yeah. It's tough, though. It's amazing how certain numbers you just assume. Like when I think of 44, I'm thinking of like

a fullback linebacker neck roll and he's putting his helmet through your chin, but he runs four nine. Right. Yeah. I like that. Or, or like a Dallas Clark. I was going to say like a, a possession tight end. Yeah. Not the fastest guy. He's gritty and he's gritty and he's just so tough. Yeah.

Yeah, I actually think that since we're on numbers and I had this is one of the things I want to bring up. Like, I'm not ready to give up on Kyle Pitts yet, but maybe changing his number from eight could be a start. Yeah, that's a great. I think you're I think he's the perfect candidate. Like,

Every time you see a, I think about it when I see his game, like immediately I'm like wide receiver. No, that's pits. Like it doesn't click all of it automatically because the single digit, like you just think receiver, it's not necessarily about pits as much as it is, but then like body type wise, he's long, he's lean. Yep. Like,

Yeah, if he walked out next year as 87. 84 in college. You were 84 in college. Perfect. Yeah. Smart. That's all right. So that one. We'll do a numbers class. Yeah, we'll do a numbers class. That'll be the math portion. Advanced analytics. You know what we always joke about? We always be like role play. We're like, all right, let's go back to the conversation. Luke Keekly gets drafted. He was number 40 at Boston College. Top 10 pick. Hall of Fame guy. Hopefully next year.

When the Panthers were like, all right, here are your options. You could be number 59. He's like, yeah, sure. I'll be number 59. Right. And that feels like we always tell them, like, Luke, that feels like one of those numbers. Like, you know, when you see Bill Belichick's team and like they all get random numbers until they earn it. You know, it felt like that was like his rookie minicamp number. And he was just like such a nice guy that he was just like, I'll never change it. And he made 59 like a badass number. Yeah. 59 is a long snapper number.

Or Lou Keekly. Or Lou Keekly. Yeah. I remember we ran into him at TU a couple years ago, and he's lost so much weight. Yeah. He looks great. He is shred. Dude, you talk about a guy who's taken the opposite approach of ours? Yeah. That dude lifts heavy. He runs. He just walked rim to rim on the Grand Canyon. He did a half triathlon or half Ironman. Mm-hmm.

He's shredded. That dude is a specimen still to this day. Yeah. Yeah. We hardly even recognize him. We're like, oh, wait, that is Luke Keekly. And he looks great. Yeah. I have a question about TEU. Do you guys do grades? Like A, B, C, D? Yeah. It's a university, right? That would be grades. That's really small. Yeah. We just found the answer to did they do grades in Miami? Yeah.

Every time I think of grade, I think like sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade. I have teenage kids. So like all I think about is like, what grade are they in? And everyone's always like, they're a rising eighth grader. I'm like, what does that mean? Like what grade are they in right now? Right now. Yeah. Miami. You're right. You're right. So that's on me. Poor job processing. We don't, we don't do report cards. We do give like a, we give an award out.

Last year, I'm trying to remember who we gave. We gave like this sick, I want to say like a, like maybe a Levi's jacket. We gave out like some sick, like custom jacket of some sort to like the guy we thought like embodied everything that is to you. But no, we don't give out grades. We have toyed with the idea of giving out like a, instead of like the Maxwell award or the Heisman trophy or the Davey O'Brien, like all these Nagurski, like all these awards that are given out by these like, right.

like the TEU award. And like, we recognize the best NFL tight end every year. And like every year it's presented at our event. We've toyed with doing that. We haven't gotten it off the ground, by the way, trophies. If you ever want to make like a part of my take trophy, they're very expensive. We have a low man. I mean, we, we may be willing to, to delve into the tight end of the year award. Yeah. We do it for college for the fullback, but we could do a,

Well, yeah, I mean, I don't hate that. You know who we thought would have been like a cool to honor, but we were very surprised. So obviously Dwight Clark passed away, unfortunately, and had a tough battle. And I always recognize, you know, made one of the most iconic catches from Joe Montana and NFL history with the catch. I always thought Dwight Clark was a tight end, but he's not. Yeah. Dwight Clark is on the right. All my life. I always thought Dwight Clark was a tight end.

So, unfortunately, we thought that'd be like a great – this was a couple years ago shortly after he passed, and we were like, what a great way to honor him. He could be like the name that we continue his legacy and whatnot. And then people are like, he's actually a wide receiver. And I was like, ooh. Yeah, we would demand the award be named after Tony Scheffler. I think that's kind of a deal breaker. We can talk about that. Yeah, the Tony Scheffler award. I got a question for you. This is a weird question. Do we own a football team?

We do. Sweet. Do we need to sign anything? I haven't signed anything either, but we do own a football team. I believe they're undefeated, the Monterosos. Fuck yes. They're undefeated. They're...

merchandise gear is off the charts. Their logo's sick. Ryan Khalil, who's a really good buddy of mine, Ryan Khalil and Blake Griffin, they own a production company out in LA called Mortal Media. They spearheaded the operation and then they sent out a group text and everyone was like, sure, I'll do it. So yes, me, you, Kittle, McCaffrey, Ron Rivera, Blake, Ryan. So yes, the answer to that question is yes. Every time Ryan's like,

I'm like, yeah, I'm in. I don't know how much I'm in for. I don't know what that means. But yes, whatever you need, I'm in. I'm trying to set up a time to go to Monterey and do some stuff with their coaches. But the answer to your question is yes. I don't know exactly what you mean.

Yeah, we're pumped. I saw a press release that said Greg Olson has purchased a team in Monterrey, Mexico. Among the co-owners include Dan Big Cat Katz and Eric PFT commenter Sollenberger. So I texted Big Cat. I was like, hey, do we own this football team? He was like, yeah, I think we might. Well, you know what happened was Khalil texted me and Blake Griffin and

And he texted being like, the first part of the text was like, hey, what's your address? We want to send you some stuff. And the second part of the text was like, hey, we're going to do a press release. You guys cool with putting your name in it? And I just read the first part, and I was like, here's our address. And then I just memory holed it. And then a week later, the press release comes out. He's like, hey, did you sign anything? I was like, no. Actually, I completely forgot he asked. But yeah, we own a team.

So we're in. No, we're in. It's going to be sick, dude. I little did I know. And Khalil's worked his ass off on this, but like the history of football in Mexico is actually pretty amazing. And like the stories of these guys, like the coaches and the players and what they do and where they like, it isn't actually like real. So there's going to be like a whole like mini series doc based around this team and the ownership group and the Ascension of the program. Like,

It's going to be, it's going to be a pretty cool kind of behind the scenes look. And especially as the NFL and football continues to just get more and more global and reach more and more beyond America. Um,

I think it's going to be a blast. Yeah. We're pumped. I'm very pumped. The Oso's. The Oso's are back. Yeah. The Oso's are back. All right. The Oso's are back. They're back. So TEU, like we said, coming up again June 23rd to 25th. Very excited for it. I have one last question for you. Rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback dot com promo code TAKE.

Kind of a, not a weird question, but you do a lot of podcasting and talking about being a dad and coaching. So I have a dad slash coaching question. My son, my oldest is six, so he's getting into sports. We're trying everything. You know, he's playing basketball. He's playing basketball.

T-ball, he's playing, he's swimming, he's doing everything. What point do I actually decide like I'll coach him? Because I don't want to be the overbearing guy. I don't want to be the like you have to do this because I don't want him to just be like I don't want to do it if you tell me to do it. I want him to naturally like it and that's why we're doing Taekwondo. Trying to do as many things as possible to see if he likes any of them. But at what age would you say is like alright now you can actually start coaching because I don't want to be that guy.

Well, I'd say if he's six and he hasn't picked his sport of the future yet, he's behind. Yeah. That's true. First and foremost, you need to do. He's not going pro. I'm going to say that right now. He's not going pro. No, you only do youth sports if the goal is to go pro. Yeah. So you need to change your entire mindset and get out of like, it's about the experience and it's about the kids and the development and all that. And you need to get on the page with the rest of the world. So that's your first mistake. Yep.

To your real question, all seriousness, coaching your kid is a mixed bag. I was coached by my dad in high school. It's all I ever knew. He coached me and my two brothers. We all went and played collegiately. Like it worked for us. He was really hard on us. He pushed, he did it for 40 years. It's all I knew. It's the only reason I ever made it. I learned more at a young age than anybody else I was competing against because I was just around it. And I had incredible coaching from the time I was two years old.

I coach a season of each of my kids. So I have a 13, almost 14 year old son who I coach his football team at school. So we do middle school football. It's all summer long. It's real, like it's real football.

I do him in the fall. My daughter, I coached her basketball team the last couple of years. She's in sixth grade, rising seventh grade, in case anyone thought she was skipping grades, I guess. And then her twin brother, my younger son, I coach his team in the spring. So I do a season with each kid and I will say, I love it. I love spending the time with my kid. I love giving back to the other kids. So I spend as much time as anybody doing it.

there are going to be moments where you think this isn't worth it. Like I'm arguing with my kid. He doesn't want to listen to me. He only wants to do what other people said. I almost feel like he's doing the opposite. Like that is all going to be very normal. And you're going to have to manage all of those emotions. It's going to be very hard for you to sit at a sideline

and watch the vast majority of what's going on in youth sports and not get involved. Yeah. No, because I already feel it. I already feel it. I watched basketball this year and I was like, I'd like to coach. This is 100%. And you're going to feel that as he gets older, it's going to go less like, oh, this is so cute that they're shooting at the wrong basket. And then you're going to be like, okay, now, like they're old enough now to know, like, here's our basket. Like, why are we not coaching them? Why are we not like...

I lose my mind sometimes. Now I will say I've been lucky that in some of the seasons, my kids have been coached by really good people where I can now just be dad. And like, I'm thinking in my head, what would I do? And I'm like, they're doing a great job. I entrust you to coach my kids. So if you can find that great, if you don't have that, you're going to find yourself moving from the bleachers to the end of the bench, to the second of the bench, to the head coach, to,

very quickly because if not if you're like me you're gonna just lose your shit like you're just gonna lose your mind and be like if i'm gonna waste all this time all week

At least my kid's going to know the basics and we just got to teach them. Yeah. It was the moment that it hit me was for my son. They did a parents versus kids basketball game at the end of the season. And I, I mean, my usage rate was out of control. I scored, I think I scored like 15 out of our 20 points. And I was like, I should be coaching like that.

I hit a three and they were like, no one's ever hit a three in this game before. I was like, well, they fucking left me open. Like, what do you want me to do? So I think I got to get involved. Do you teach closeouts? I mean, yeah. Be like, Hey, can we teach the closeout with the proper hand and force me to the help side? Yeah. We're coaching that for the six year olds.

I wouldn't be draining threes in your face. And when someone told me that, I took it as like, holy shit, that's so impressive. You had a three. What they really were saying is like, no parent has ever taken a three in this game because that's an asshole move. But I was like, listen, they left me open. What do you want me to do? Hey, shoot or shoot, man. Oh, man. All right. Well,

So you're the best, Greg. We love having you on. We love, you know, T.U. Hopefully we can do some stuff. The numbers, the numbers seminar would be numbers. Well, branded as math. This is like advanced math for tight ends. And then we'll do the media training where we'll just we'll teach them how to respond to stupid questions from the media. And we have no shortage of stupid people in the media that work here that I'm sure would love to volunteer their time as well.

Yeah, well, yeah, like what if we did like a stress test? It's like you have to go live with Ben Mintz for five minutes. That's a dangerous thing. Yeah, it's like one of those, like if you can survive this, you can survive anything kind of thing. Well, no, that one was a trick because the answer is, no, I can't do that. I have prior commitments. I will not go live with Ben Mintz. Yeah, your agent steps in and says, no, we're not doing this. Got it, got it. So, okay, so it's a whole, okay, see, this is where you guys are professionals. My immediate brain is like,

okay, I'll do it. And I just get really good at dodging stupid questions. You look at it as if you have to do it, you got to fire your marketing. Yeah. There'll be a bunch of those. It'll be almost like we'll go levels and he might be like the final boss where it's like, if you're smart, if you say yes to this, then you need to find a new media guy.

But if you say no to somebody that you should go do an interview with, then that's a problem too because then that guy is going to be like, I'm bigger than this tight end. I'm going to make it my mission to trash him. Right. And then that's going to ding you on the PR side. So, yeah, listen, I don't want to – I'm going to give away the milk for free. You got to pay for the cow a little bit. So we'll talk later. No, it's smart. Yeah. Now I'm going to give you guys a compliment. Oh. And since you've given us so much compliment, T.E.U., presented by Bud Light –

I'm sorry, Pidgin. It's going to kind of be more Dan, but it's more generally speaking. My wife, I consider to be like a coffee snob slash aficionado. She bought some of the Stella Blue and it got rave reviews. Let's go. And it's saving dogs.

And she's a dog person. So all in all, it reminded me when I see it behind you there next to Dicka. So you gave us a lot of compliments on TEU presented by Bud Light, New Era, Jersey Mike's, and Dude Wipes. Thank you to our partners. Way to get that in. I'm going to now kick it back to you that a very, very particular coffee consumer is

That's huge. That's huge. Good point.

because you're such a good guy. And let me just give a compliment to PFT. That was incredible by you as my agent to work that in.

And now I'll pay it full circle. And now I'll give you guys an offer for free. So yes, PFT appreciate you being the guy you are to me. Now I'm going to kick it back to you. Free advice. We use this for our heart charity. We guilt people. We all the time be like, Hey, we'd love you to support the hardest yard, but don't only do it. If you like supporting kids with bad hearts, like unless you just want these kids with bad hearts to continue to die and continue to not have great, great medicine. Like don't,

then we're not the group for you. But like, if you're into helping kids with bad hearts, like my son, then we'd love you to courage. You could flip it and be like, Hey, only drink. If you hate dogs and you want to see them killed, Stella blue is not for you. But if you happen to have a heart and you like dogs,

Maybe consider us. It works, so that's my free marketing to you. That's great. And you know what Stella Blue might need is maybe a decaffeinated version of the coffee for people that have caffeine sensitivities. Yeah. Maybe that have hearts that aren't able to handle it. So if you want to work to develop that, I'm sure Big Cat would be okay with you selling that and then kicking back a modest percentage. Yeah.

to him on the top end to save those dogs. So it's like people helping people. It's a big circle of help. It works. Yeah, it works. You're a genius. All right, Greg, you're the best. Appreciate you guys. We love having you on and we'll see you soon. All right. I got to sit.

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We have Zach on. We're going to talk some ball. He also is going to be in Tahoe. We're going to be there as well, competing in the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship in July. So let's start with that. I want to talk some ball, Zach, but how is the golf game feeling right now and what are the expectations for Tahoe, which is the coolest tournament ever?

Most important thing of the summer. Yes. By far. Yes. Haven't, haven't, haven't even thought about basketball. It's been just trying to train at golf. I did it. I did it a couple of years ago. And it was the funnest experience I've had, you know, and it's,

I got the most respect for golfers. I wish, I wish my dad put a golf club in my hand before, before, you know, baseball and football, obviously basketball worked out pretty well, but I started playing around COVID and then I got very invited to the American century tournament. It's,

It was great, man. You know, everything, everything's fun until they, you know, they announce your name, all your accolades and everything's quiet. And my caddy's like, yeah, just take it over the guy in the red hat over his head. And I'm like, Oh shoot, this is a little bit different than shooting a free throw. Yeah. It's a, it's fun though, man. I got a passion for it. I play all the time, me and my boys. So it's fun. So what's your, uh, what are you expecting to finish at this tournament? What's the goal for you?

Last time I got to do better than I did last time. So my first time I had the jitters, I think I finished like 12th from last. Had a decent first day and after that it was just blow up hole, scared to hit people. So that was a couple of years ago. I've been playing with a couple of my boys. That was the year Steph won though. So I need to be in the top.

Top 30, I'll be happy with. Okay, you got to pick one guy that you have to beat if you were to select one on the board. Devontae Adams. That was easy, okay. That's my boy. I was just playing with him the other day. Devontae will be out there.

Who else? Probably Kyle. Kyle Lowry. That's one of my good friends, too. I want to probably beat him. Devontae's pretty damn good, man. He's probably like a five handicap. Yeah, I've seen some of his videos. You guys are basically cheating when it comes to golf. All athletes...

professional athletes they put a golf club in their hand you're like oh yeah they're really good at all sports and it's like fuck i wish i could look this smooth like you're like oh yeah i started golfing a few years ago you're probably sick no the guy that has nasty stuff man every time i talk i say you can't be this good at both sports you know yeah agreed he's pro level at golf you know so it's it's sick yeah is there is there a sport that you've tried that you've just sucked at

Yeah, they started off as golf. I got addicted to it. You guys know me. I'm a pretty good athlete. I was a better baseball player than basketball, so...

You know, picking up golf, it wasn't that hard. I already knew how to swing. But it's definitely challenging, man. It's challenging. So I love it. When you made the switch from like, all right, I'm going to go basketball instead of baseball, was that tough to do? And, like, you know, did you think, like, if things had gone differently, baseball would have been a future like this? I think I would have been pretty good. Obviously, you know, me and Donovan Mitchell were having this conversation. We did the little celebrity all-star game in Seattle.

And we're like, how about we both retire at 32 and see which one of us will make the pros after we retire. So, you know, I mean, I made a good choice, man. I can't get mad at anything I've done. You know, basketball is definitely my passion and, you know, something I excel at. Yeah, you were talking about having your dad put a golf club in your hands when you were getting started. I know that your dad was instrumental in helping you become a great athlete. He was a great athlete himself.

And your mom, both of them. But I've heard that your dad had some crazy-ass workouts that he used to put you through, like some next-level stuff. Still does. Yeah, no, I mean, I've done everything from, you know, athletic training-wise of,

Running, jumping, plyometrics. I used to do lunges on the football field from 100-yard lines and then do them backwards, 80, backwards, 60. I would hop the hashes. I would run hills with weight vests on when I was 12. My dad was training me like a professional when I was a kid, so I think everything helped out. Yeah, so he still works you out now?

Every once in a while. My dad's retired now. That's what he says. He said, my job is to enjoy you, enjoy his grandkids, and come to games and talk a little shit. I think that's about it. But he still gives me some workouts for sure. Yeah. Talk about these playoffs because you obviously know some of the guys who are in the playoffs, obviously, and you also – the Timberwolves are bounced now, but you played for the Timberwolves. I want to start, though, with Alex Caruso, your former teammate. Yeah.

What is it about, we love him too, he's a good friend of ours, but what is it about his defense that makes it so elite and maybe something that we're not seeing? It feels like it's just havoc every time he's out there.

I mean, the guy, the guy's a crash dummy, man. I mean, playing with him for three years, he, he's one of the smartest dudes. He's going to be a great coach when he's done. You know, when he, when he was with us in Chicago, he would, he would help lead some of our meetings. Um, and you know, him coming from LA, having that championship predigree, you know, it elevated our defense immediately. Um,

helping guys out like me and DeMar just being gaps. And Alex, you know, Alex is a great athlete, but let you know, he's, he'll tell you first. He's like, I'm not an elite, elite, you know, athlete. He's, he's just all heart and IQ, man. You know, he studies film a lot. I've seen him break dudes, you know, break down dudes game. I remember how he guarded me.

I always tell him I gave him, you know, 38 one day, but it was a hard 38. But, you know, AC is one of the best defenders in the NBA. I think he should have been all-first defense many times, many times. Yeah, I think he got it, what, last year? Every year he should have it, every year.

He was the first Italian to be a first Italian American to win all defense in the NBA. I think in the history of the associations, that's a pretty prestigious honor they gave him. Everything that goes Alex's way, man, he, he deserves one of the hardest working guys. You know, one of the coolest dudes talk about a good golfer too. He's a little bit better than me too. He's a,

I think he competed in the American century tournament one time. So it was, uh, he's, he's great guys. One of my, one of my good friends. Yeah. We have a golf simulator here and we actually like right before he got traded, uh,

from the Bulls to the Thunder, I was going to give him a key card because he would just show up and get on the golf simulator because he's just like, I think he just does everything like that where it's like, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to go as crazy as possible. So is it fair to say that you're, I know you're probably rooting for him a little bit. Do you find yourself watching these playoffs with like a preference of which team you'd like to see win?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm going for my guys all the time. You know, AC, I want him to, you know, be able to hoist another championship. I'll see him later this summer. So, you know, if he can get another one, I mean, what a trade, you know, the upgrade that they had when...

When Chicago traded him to OKC, man, it was an incredible trade for them. Yeah, what is it about the Thunders defense that's just so elite? Because it just feels like they suffocate teams and they have a way of like, it just, you watch the team, like Anthony Edwards had a very tough time dealing with the Thunders defense. Is it something specific they're doing or they're just all elite defenders?

I mean, they're really they're a really good defensive team. I think they put that first, you know, guys that support each other are hard nose guys. And, you know, that's their role to go out there. And, you know, we understand Shea's role, but, you know, he sits in gaps. He's you know, he's not somebody that you're going to say is an elite defender, but, you know, he sits down when he needs to. He has really good hands.

but you have guys like Lou Dort who like that's his job is to harass all game he don't care if he shoot 10 times or two times same with AC AC might get 15 points but he'll impact the game by getting four steals two blocks you know a charge three deflections Cason Wallace is a really good defender too so they have like specific specialist guys on their team that you know they they really get after it yeah earlier this year it was

We played them later on, you know, right after... We played them right after the All-Star break, and we gave them a pretty good run up in Sacramento. But, you know, it was...

It was a hard-fought game, but every possession, you have to make a shot or you have to really work the offense. And they're really well coached, really well coached. Yeah. And looking out to the east, what's it like playing against the Pacers? Is it the most exhausting thing that you've ever done? Because over the course of the series, it feels like the Knicks, they don't play a lot of guys to begin with. They would prefer not to play a lot of guys. But it feels like they've just been ground down, just having to run up and down the court nonstop. Is it that tiring?

I mean, they're in our division. We, I played them so many damn times. It's there. They're a hard-nosed team, but they get up and down fast. They don't care if you score, you take, they take it out of bounds quick. They, you know, they bring the ball up. You have to play fast for some, I think this last year in Chicago, we played them pretty well. Even the year before we played them, we played them decently and they've had the same style of play. Rick Carlisle, you know, hell of a coach, you know, how the burden can literally, you know, do what he wants to with the ball and get into the paint, facilitating guys. He'll have a good game by not even scoring well sometimes, but, um,

Yeah, you got to play fast versus them. I think the Knicks, you know, they're one of the slower paced teams in the NBA, you know, so it's a, you know, it's a pick your battle. Essentially, you either got to pay at their pace or, you know, you can't have any turnovers. You got to get them in foul trouble. You know, you got to make them play at your pace and it's hard to do that with guys, you know, running.

Yeah, me personally, if I were to score against a team and then immediately they just throw the ball down the court and they've already scored, I'm like, come on, man, you have to give me like a second to do my little celebration dance. You got to give me a second to talk a little shit, then slowly backpedal on defense, get set up. It's not fair. I mean, that's the new, there's a lot of guys that come to the game and start celebrating over one shot. I think that's the newer generation of guys. Yeah, well, I would just celebrate because it'd be a miracle that it went in.

So you got to take – If you could play one game, 36 minutes, how many points do you think you could score? I'd probably get 23, 24. No, I did – we did a three-point shootout, and I think we – I took 20, 23 pointers. I made nine. But the ones that – And they're wide open. Yeah, and also the ones that I missed, I think they were all air balls.

So it either goes in or it misses the basket entirely. So no, I mean, I would just, it just, I saw that it was one example in the last game where I think it was, I think they might've dunked it, but it was, it was a layup or something like that. And then within two seconds, the ball was down the court and the Pacers were already scoring. And I felt exhausted for the Knicks having to defend against that.

Yeah, they take the ball out the net and they literally – it's a next play mentality. And they got a lot of guys out there that are hard-nosed. Like, T.J. McConnell's been a winner since he was in high school. You know, a lot of – like, he's a guy that –

I played against them in college, and them hard-nosed guys, Neesmith, you know, all those guys. The Alchems come from winning. You know, they're a good team. Yeah. Speaking of former teammates, Carl Anthony Towns, you played with him for the first few years in Minnesota. We love him. We love watching him. He's a different cat, but he's also, like, when he gets hot and he's taking it to the rim and he's hitting those threes –

When you first met him, were you like, this guy is – I mean, it's crazy. He's seven feet, and he can shoot the three better than most players in the league. I mean, Cat's one of the most skilled people in the NBA in general. You know, it's not even crazy. I think he's a top big in the league, and he's proven that over the last, you know, seven years of his career. There's not a lot of guys you can compare him to. I think that trade for him was big time too because –

I mean, I think the trade for both of them was big. You know, Minnesota, you know, getting some more toughness with Julius Randle. You see that both were in the, you know, the conference finals. But Katzenkrupp was one of my good friends. I always root for him. It just shows how, you know, how skilled and how talented he is because, you know, any team he gets on, he can elevate. He also seems like an awesome dude, just like a genuinely, like, good dude. I would assume that came through even when you guys first linked up because you both were young.

When I got drafted, I just turned 19. Then I played me and Drew together when he got traded over. Then Cat got drafted next year. We were really good those first three years. I think we were one of the only teams that had three guys averaging 20 or more points and we were all under 21. Good times. You ever think about what could have been if that group had stayed young together, grown up together? You can always think, but you never know. I think

But growing up and then seeing, you know, obviously the trajectory of each of our careers, you know, I think we needed it, you know, especially, you know, for me, like me being able to go to Chicago and, you know, have pretty much become the player that I was. I don't think that would have happened if we all stuck together, but you never know how good of a team we could have been. Yeah. You know, I think I take everything in stride, but that's, I think that's the beauty of basketball. What was it like for 19-year-old Zach to get drafted by the Timberwolves and have an

Kevin Garnett as one of your teammates? Did he talk shit to you immediately? KG liked me a lot. Me and KG sat next to each other. That's like one of my main vets. I have a specific story that's hilarious. I hope you don't get mad at this. He comes in the locker room and a couple guys get on their phone immediately. They're looking at either stats or Twitter. I don't know. They're looking at something. This is one of his first games with us.

and he's looking around he looks next to me he's like zach they they always do this i say yeah man you know i don't know any different it's my first you know my first time in the nba gets up grabs everybody's phone puts in a bag so we're not doing this no more a couple extra you know expletives throws the bag outside the locker room before flips comes in

Flip comes in the locker room, starts talking about the meeting. He holds it up. He said, no, we're not doing this shit. Nobody gets on their phone one more time. I promise you every phone is getting broken. Go ahead, Flip, start the meeting. He set the tone immediately from that. You know, it was the first time we got traded over. But KG, it was incredible having those guys. Him, Mo Williams, Andre Miller, Rubio,

It takes Sean Prince on a team. We had a lot of vets. Corey Brewer was an exciting team. It was a mix of literally young puppies and old dogs. So it was fun. Yeah, so getting to play with him too as a rookie must have been fun outside the locker room. I imagine that people show him that same level of respect on the court, like the opponents. He had a way of demanding respect and getting respect from people. Must have felt like you had a hockey enforcer on your side. Yeah.

There's no one like him, man. The demeanor he brings, the intensity, even in practice. Every practice with us, he's 40 years old with a bum knee, and he's running lines as hard as anybody. He's talking mess to guys. He's giving people hard-ass fouls in practice. I'm talking about 10 a.m. early, first scrimmage, hard playoff foul. The intensity he brought, he's one of a kind. You can't fake that. What was it like playing on the Olympic team?

It was great, man. It was a great experience. You know, I think that was, for me, it was one of the first times I had, like, a specific role. You know, I wasn't, you know, the leading scorer of the team. You know, we had Kevin Durant. It was Jason Tatum, me, Devin Booker, Bradley Beal, Draymond. Like, it was so many guys. Damian Lillard. I think it was the first year I made the all-star team, too. So, you know, we're all coming off really big years, but they need specific roles. And that was the year I just told them, I was like, look, whatever I need to do to, you know, be on the court and help contribute.

So I was picking up guys full court. I was like a catch and shoot dude. I was getting steals, getting transition. It was probably some of the funnest, you know, basketball I ever played because, you know, everyone had a specific goal, didn't care about egos. And we came together and, you know, figured it out. Yeah, it was a crazy Olympics. It was 2020 in Tokyo, right? It was a 2020 Olympics, but it was played in... In Tokyo. Yeah. It was right after COVID.

limited fans. And we only had like two weeks of like training camp where, you know, before other, you know, other teams had like a longer, a longer stint, you know, they, they put us together and we, we figured it out, man. So it was, it was really cool. There's some crazy games in that Olympics too. It felt like, you know, it wasn't a given that you guys were going to win gold. You guys, we lost, we lost, I think we were like when we lost our first, like we like first exhibition game. Yeah. Yeah. A lot from like stunned, but you know, I think we needed that cause it made it, it made everybody closer.

So in practice for that team, I've heard all the stories. I'm sure you've heard them too of the old school dream team practices that they'd have, how competitive it got. Was it that same way for you guys where it was just like some extremely high level basketball?

Yeah, I mean, we scrimmaged a lot, and guys were going at each other, and then we got to play against the select team, which is always fun, you know, coming up through the USA program where the younger guys get to play against the Olympic team. I did it when, you know, they were over in Brazil. So, you know, seeing the guys go at us, and then, you know, I think they won, like, the first two quarters. We ended up coming back and beating them, but that's what gets everything, you know, pretty much rolling in that competitive nature because, you know,

Without that, you're walking into a horn's nest. I got a couple Bulls questions for you. First is an easy one. Remember the time you hit 13 three-pointers? That was sick. Were you in the zone? Could you feel a difference in that game when you hit 13 threes?

Yeah, I wish I shot more. I probably could have hit like 16. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was a hell of a game. Yeah. Yeah. No, whenever you're, you know, guys that can score the ball and shoot, you try to figure out how to get in that zone. But...

It just happens sometimes. If it might be in the first quarter, it might be in the second, fourth, whatever it is, but you just try to find that zone and stay in it. I think you can see guys that are good three-point shooters. That's how you get those runs going where you get three, four, five threes in a row over a certain game stretch of defense

you know, finding a rhythm. You'll see guys hit seven threes for like consecutive nights. Cause it just, you know, it was muscle memory at, you know, at a certain point and confidence. So once you get that going, it's easy. My other one was coach Jim Boylan. Yeah. When you also with the Pacers, I'm actually really excited for him. You know, I'm glad that they're, you know, he's doing a good job over there. Yeah. When, when he first made you manually clock in, were you like, what the hell is going on here?

You know, so Jim, me and Jim had a funny relationship, but we actually had, we started understanding each other, but it was different because he brought a, he brought a completely different mentality. He was the assistant. He was like the assistant coach and then got moved up to the head and he just had to try to do something different. Him and Fred Hoiberg had completely different personalities. So, you know, he literally brought like a, like a clock in clock and guys had their name with stamps on it and you had to punch in and I'm not joking. It was, it was,

I'm in my fifth year by now. I'm like, is this the NBA? But it was something that I think guys needed, man. He had to be authentic to himself. So when that happened, you were like, okay, I guess we'll just try something new. Were there times when Jim Boylan would talk or give a speech and you're like, what exactly is he saying right now? Because there were times when he would do the – like in between the first quarter and second quarter, he'd do the media talk.

And I'd just be staring at the TV being like, what was that? What did he say? Growth plates or something? He was very into it. I remember him always being like, you guys got to have the right spirit.

I'm just like, dog, we're down. You know, we got to go out here and fight. Fuck spirit, you know. But, you know, Jim actually cares so much for his players and for the organization. I think he cared. You know, I've had a bunch of coaches, and he's probably the dude that's cared the most about him and Billy. I don't want to throw Billy. You know, Billy was an incredible coach. Me and him had a great relationship, but...

Jim cared a lot, man. I think he did the best he could. I remember when Big Cat told me about the clock in, clock out, the time clock. I thought, like, these bulls are going somewhere. I loved that addition to the facility. Yeah, blue collar shit. So about the time clock, when you would punch in it, would it actually clock the time or was it just stamping your name on it?

It was like a legitimate, like if you were at a construction site, it had the time in and time out. If it was 9.05, it said 9.00. Would he review your time cards?

That's what I don't know. We have a fresh one every day. I think he just printed out different. Him was one of the assistant guys just printing out fresh ones each and every day. That might have been the missing piece. I think the time clock was a great addition, but the second part of having a time clock, you got to check the time clock. You got to check the cards. You got to see if guys are consistent. The spirit thing is like, yeah, a lot of spirit talk, a lot of intense talk.

I can't remember if it was growth plates or what it was. We led the league in spirit this year. Yeah, it was one where he looked into the camera and he's just like, we got to get the growth plates in the spirit of these guys. I was like, dude, it's middle of February. It's between the first and second quarter against, you know. Yeah.

Jim let us know who he was. He showed us some of his coaching stuff from Utah when he first came here. We were cracking up. He's like, I'm going to be the same guy regardless. It was fun. What about – did Fred Hoiberg ever play a movie for you? Because I remember he did that a couple times where he like – I think it was Dumb and Dumber once. Yeah.

I don't know if that resonated. I think Hoosiers maybe? He never played you guys clips? No, I don't remember that. Okay, yeah. I don't remember that at all. Fred has some good-ass plays, though. He has some really good ATOs. I remember that. I had a couple easy threes at ATOs that first year. Yeah. Do you know when a coach installs something in practice, you're like, oh, this is going to work. There's no way they can stop this? I think it's specific to each guy. If you figure out what guys like, like what Fred –

Fred did for me. He knew because he could shoot the ball and, you know, he played a little bit. He started figuring out where guys' tendency was. So like he would, he would do a pin down specific to where guys like to, like, like to shoot. If you like to go left, right off of a gather versus hopping versus like he, he studied that. And it was a,

There was a couple of times he did ATO out the right way. It was like a down screen pinned down to a flare. And I'm just like, oh man, I'm wide open. You're like in practice and the guys know what, what's coming. So yeah, in the game you're, you know, you're expecting something, you know, be wide open. Yeah. All right. So that actually just triggered something in my mind that I, I, uh,

I always wondered when you guys are in the NBA and you have a coach, what level of basketball did they have to play for you to get? Like, is there a level where you're like, all right, I respect this or because like you said, like, you know, Fred played a little. He did play in the NBA. That's more than just a little. Is there a level where it's like if they played high school ball and nothing more, you're like, all right, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

No, I mean, it's always good. I think they have pro pro level guys on the staff to be the head coach because there's a there's a common communication and respect or, you know, there's a language that we speak that others don't, you know, he's been in this situation, you know.

A good coach and a good friend of mine was Sean Respert. He played at Michigan State all-time league, shoot the hell out the ball, played in the NBA for a little bit. But I remember telling him, hey, look, these guys are double teaming me. What's the best way I can split it? How can I get out the double team? I've been passing all day, but what's the best way to split it? If I go up to a guy or a coach that's only watched film but hasn't felt it, you might not have the same response. Yeah.

Okay. I mean, Sean Ressler played in the NBA for like five or six years. So a little is just a few years. I feel like if you played one year in the NBA, that's a lot of NBA. If I played one year in the NBA, I'd be telling people I played in the NBA. Of course. I think I'm just saying a little because I've been going on my 12th year. Yeah, that's true. You've played a lot. You've played a lot. But yeah, I'd wear the jacket with him.

with the logo on the back. Yeah, if I played for one second in the NBA, I'd be like, yeah, I played in the NBA for like, now is there also like, if you know, you have a coach that didn't play high-level college ball, is it a process where eventually it's like, all right, they show you something that you're like, all right, I believe in them, like I can trust them. Oh, yeah, 100%. You know, I think it just shows what they're good at just because that they didn't play in the NBA. They could be a, you know, a genius or a master at their craft in a different area. They might be great at it.

ATOs or defensive positioning, you know, anything. It could be scouting. You know, everybody in the NBA is at a high level for a reason. You're not here for no reason. Yeah. Who's the best assistant coach that you've ever had? The one that we should be on the lookout for. Like, that guy's going to get a shot and he's going to be great. Man, um...

I've had so many coaches. I'll just say my favorite assistant coach who turned head coach was Sam Mitchell. Great guy. Sam was incredible. He would talk to you and he was a player. I was KG's vet. I remember being on a team and KG's like, that's my vet. So he...

Sam Mitchell was great, man. He was a head coach in the NBA before, but he was my assistant. Yeah, you've played in a lot of places that have legends that have preceded you, legends of the game, like KG in Chicago with Michael Jordan, but probably most importantly growing up in Seattle with Spencer Hawes, the looming shadow of Spencer Hawes there. We are a Spencer Hawes respecting podcast. Was Spencer just a big part of the basketball scene in Seattle growing up?

Yeah, Spence was a guy who came before me with a bunch of other dudes. Legend. We can say legend. Yeah, legend. He's a legend. Spence is a legend, of course, in his own right. Spence is great. You had to throw in the own right. No, but in all honesty, I know Spence. Spence is great. I think Spence, when I was growing up, I was playing these little pro runs in Seattle. Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, I mean, the list goes on. Brandon Roy with all these guys at Seattle. We do a good job of...

of keeping the community and, you know, the guys, you know, out there. But Spence was always there. And he was the first dude that literally, he pinned my shot off the backboard when I was in high school. And I thought I was, you know, I could jump out the gym, especially at that point. I'm trying to dunk on everybody, especially trying to impress these older pros.

And Spence went up and just pinned my shit right on the blackboard. And I remember my dad looking at me. He's like, that's the difference between high school and pros. Yeah. And then from that moment, that spurned you to become a professional basketball player. All thanks to Spencer Hawes. The dunk contest. All because of Spence, yes. Wait, how old were you when you started playing with pros? Um...

I remember my first pro workout I played, me and Luke Ridenour. Luke Ridenour gave me a rebounded form, and then he let me work out with him and play a little pickup game with him when I was in seventh or eighth grade. Holy shit. Yeah. So by the time you're like 16, 17, are you still intimidated when you go to these runs, or are you just like, I know I can do this? I don't know if you're intimidated. You're still like, oh, man, this is Jamal Crawford. Right. You know, but it's...

it becomes normalized. Yeah. That's awesome. Who is a better dunker, you or Nate Robinson? I mean, Nate has three. I have two. But I don't know. Nate's a legend. I don't know if Nate would have beat me. Yeah. What's your best card game? Card? Yeah. Like gambling-wise? Yeah, yeah. What are you the best at? I don't know. Not Bure. Okay.

You had a bad game recently? Are you losing on the planes? I'm not losing, but I'm not up. Okay. But best card game, I don't know, probably Blackjack or something like that. Who's the best Bure player that you've ever been around? Best Bure player I've been around?

Mike Trout. Oh, really? Mike Trout can play some Boo-Ray. Oh, shit. That's not the answer. I didn't expect that answer. Shout out, Mike. That's hilarious. He got a little bit of my bread. He doesn't eat money. That's why Shohei went so far in debt, probably. Yeah. Mike Trout. Boo-Ray. Boo-Ray got him. Mike Trout is probably just kicking the shit out of his translator every day. Boo-Ray, yeah. That's crazy.

Yeah, I'm in a fantasy league with Trout, and he takes my money there, so that's not fun. Yeah, fantasy football. Mike is a first ballot Hall of Famer, man. That's one of my boys. I read that you collect old cars. Do they all run? Man, I got a 68 Pontiac, a 70 Chevelle. I got a Grand National. I've had some. I used to have a 65 Mustang, so I got a lot of old school cars. What kind of engine you got in that 70 Chevelle?

LS3. Okay. I got a 1970 Chevy El Camino, but it doesn't really run that much. Don't run at all? With a 454, big block. You know old school, man. Every once in a while they stop. That's the fun in them. Do you know how to fix them too?

Hell no. Hell no. I'd call a tow truck and take it to the garage. Yeah. This is probably an easy question, but as a sports fan, it's fun to watch from afar, and it feels like there's certain guys that everyone's like, that guy's the best guy ever, and everyone loves him. And I feel like DeMar DeRozan is that guy, and you've obviously been his teammate with the Bulls and the Kings. Is that fair to say, like,

he is everyone's favorite teammate because that's just the vibe I've always gotten. Incredible guy. One of my good friends. It's funny, when I got traded there, I said, man, you couldn't leave me alone for four months. But...

You know, we see each other a lot. You know, DeMar is great because he's extremely genuine and somebody that doesn't, you know, he's not trying to be anyone that's not himself, you know, and it's always been a treat to be his friend first and his teammate. Yeah. After all this time in the NBA and the offseason, are there still things that you're trying to improve on your game or different wrinkles you're trying to add? Or are you just at this point trying to stay in shape and keep what you got going?

No, I mean, if you're a competitor, you try to get better every year. For me, obviously, you work on your body and the older you get, you try to get as much rest as you can and be sharp and continue to be really good at the things you are. But I think I'll go into each offseason and I'll look at what can I improve on and what's a little aspect that will get me this much better. What are we working on this offseason?

Man, what should I work on this offseason? Realistically, I haven't got back and looked at a lot of the film. I told you I've been golfing and getting ready for this tournament. But, you know, I think I did a great job this year, man. I pretty much led the league in three-point percentage. I shot 51, 52% from the field. I averaged 24 points a game. So, you know, I think the efficiency point is always, you know, try to be as efficient as you can. Yeah.

And then I think probably just a little bit more like just how to get to the free throw line and get easier shots. You know, if I can get to the free throw line, you know, six, seven times, you know, that's – it's easy points. It helps our team get the bonus. It keeps them in the penalty. You know, it slows the game down when you need to. I think that's something I can get a little bit better at at least these last – these next couple years. Who do you study if you're trying to figure out how to get to the free throw line more?

I think it has to be like how it is with your game. I think getting to the free throw line is an art, honestly. It's just like shooting a step back or a floater, you know, being a learner, how to shoot a three, whatever it may be. You know, you have to learn what goes in with your game. It's not a specific guy, but I think you can take little things from each person. If it's a sweep through or slowing down a bump,

You know, I've always been good at pump fakes, you know, so it's, you know, little things like that to where it's like, how can you, how can you manipulate the game to where, you know, it fits yours. Yeah. Smart. All right. So I got a question about the, we, we had, I think it was last summer. There was the whole NBA players playing in the NFL and vice versa debate. You caught a little shrapnel because Cooper cup played you in the quarterfinals in, in, in a high school. My man. Yeah. My man. Cool, man. Yeah.

That story came out like twice. I know. And the story obviously is like Cooper Cup beat Zach Levine. No, they did. They beat the hell out of us. So is there context to it? Was his team that much better? Yeah, his team won the state championship. Okay, so that's not fair that it's like it was just you. I think Coop is two years older than me, so I was a sophomore and they were a senior. Oh, come on. But I mean, look, I was the number one player in the state. And they put this little white dude on me, and I'm like, I'm about to get 40.

And he's hella fast. So I could, you know, he's just as fast as me, if not faster. So, and they, you know, they had a really good defense. They double teamed, you know, but he had a good game. You know, I had like 20 points, but it wasn't anywhere near my average at the point. And they, they beat us by like 15 and they, the next game they won the state championship. So,

Yeah, that's a missing context that needed to be included. You were a sophomore? Yeah, that's not... And it did go viral like five different times because people were like... It should have, man. What's funny is I didn't know that was him until...

until he got to the pros. Now, obviously knew way before you guys did or when it came out, but it was funny. Did you text him? Did you get his number? He'd be like, you better fucking keep your mouth shut. About four years ago, I said, hey, man, why is it just coming out now? You remember that, bro? This and that. So it was...

It was funny, especially how good he is at what he does. I'm not a football guy, man. My dad was a professional football player, but I stopped playing when I was in grade school, so I don't think it would have been good going either way. What do y'all think? Who's a better athlete, football or basketball? It's not better athletes. It's just I always go back to if you see an NBA player playing in an open gym. If you were in an open gym just working out,

and you, I said, Zach, take 100 threes, how many are you missing? Yeah, I mean, 85 or more. You're making 85 or more every single time. Like, no one's guarding you, you're making 85. Like, that level of shooting, I just don't, I don't think people comprehend. Yeah, but we're pros. Like, that's what we're supposed to do. Right. But that's what I'm saying. Like, if an NFL player tried to do that, like,

No, but ask us to go across the middle and keep hitting the ribs, you know? I agree with you there. Run a 10-yard out and catch it and toe tap on the sideline. Yeah, we might be able to if it was like a guy just throwing us a ball. Do it with defense. I think it's completely different. I do think that Wimby could be an elite red zone wide receiver. Yes, yes. Just send him to the end zone. I don't know. Okay.

I think he would get jammed at the line so fast. So you think all football – like you think that football players are – it's harder to go NBA to NFL than NFL to NBA? No, I think just the crossover in general is hard. Yeah, I agree. You know, unless you played that sport before, it's –

You don't have the wherewithal with it. I don't think a football guy can go in the NBA and be effective at all unless he was a high-level basketball player to start. Right, that's true. No, that's actually probably the fairest answer that anyone's had where it's like you are actually diminishing how many hours and work goes into both. Like if you're on either side and to be like, oh, you could just switch is insane.

Yeah. Now, you might have some instances where somebody could score. I might be able to get a catch as a wide receiver. Yeah, we're very...

High-end athletes. I think Draymond could be a good kicker. Yeah, Draymond's highlights from the Michigan State spring game. There are some guys like, you know, LeBron was off the charts in high school. Yeah. You know, I think Westbrook would be an incredible, you know, football player. Yeah, but LeBron got, I mean, he got bodied by Dante DiVincenzo going over the middle his last playoff game. You know.

Everything's contextual. Yeah, that's true. That is. That wasn't a fair shot. I do also love Draymond. I respect his game as a podcaster as well. So I got to take a shot every now and again. Hell of a podcaster. Hell of a podcaster. Yeah.

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Okay, see? Yeah. Yeah. Is there a world where the Pacers could pull it off? I like the matchup of the Pacers versus the Knicks just because of the pace difference. Yeah. I've been in the East most of my damn career, almost all of it, but just playing both those teams, I think the pace of play was definitely favoring the Pacers. Okay, see, I think the top to bottom is a better team, but –

You know, it's the NBA, man. Anything can happen. You know, you grab it, you know, pray to God everybody's healthy over these next, you know, couple weeks. But you don't know until you can see him play. But if I were to, you know, guess, yeah, I'm going with LKC. Okay. Good guess. Yeah, that's a very good guess. I concur as a fellow expert. Yeah. Although, Jim Boylan getting a ring with the Pacers would be cool, huh?

Oh, it'd be great. You know, I love AC to have that ring again though. Yeah. I'm rooting for Alex Caruso as well. Yeah. Alex Caruso and Thundor. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, Zach, thanks so much, man. We appreciate it. And we'll see you out in Tahoe. Yeah, man. Wish me luck. Don't say too much if I, if I shank one left or right. All right. Yeah. We got you. We got your back. You're going to, you're a smoke Devante. Yeah. Yeah. All right, y'all. All right. See you, man.

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He is a member of the cream team. He was applied initially to be coach Gruden's assistant, famously had some self miscommunication problems during that application process where he was told to live tweet. Like he was tweeting from Gruden's account and he just didn't send a single tweet for an entire half of football self miscommunication. What were the, what were the tweets? What would they have been?

What was that, my bad? What would the tweets have been if you had tweeted them out? It was just going to be highlights from the streams. There was an issue using the software, making sure I was doing them on time and they were supposed to be live. So I fell a little bit behind. So for the first half, there was zero posts. It was a tough look. It was a software issue. It was a me issue. I can't blame the software all the way. Wait, when you fell behind, like if you fell, you fell like one play behind and then you're like, that's it. That's a wrap.

It was more so encompassing the whole thing. I kind of messed it up. Yeah. All right. So Zach is a he's from Florida. He is a Bucks, Tampa Bucks and New York Knicks fan. And he went with the boys to.

down to Indianapolis game four. So we wanted to get it from you and memes obviously can chime in how the game was. What was the conversation like you were with memes in pug? The new PM TV will be out in the afternoon on Friday. So tell us tell us how it went.

So I think the game could have gone better. We didn't get the win at the end of the day. I think the road trip went well. There was some good banter in the car. Meeves, probably the MVP of the entire evening. He manned the ship to and from. He drove? Behind the wheel, he did. In the Maz? That is correct. Wow. Yeah. It's a nice car, right? Yeah, super roomy. Tons of head space. It worked out well. What did you think of Chase Smalltalker?

I think Jay's small talk went well. He was good at including everyone in conversations, sparking new topics, things like that. Yeah. If there was a pie chart that broke down the different things you talked about, what would that pie chart look like? So we got into a little bit of traffic talk going through Chicago. The roads are terrible. Got into a lot of windmill talk in Indiana. That was good. There are a lot of windmills in that route. What was the general consensus about the windmills?

Tons of them. They do light up at night and a little freakish. If you look at them for too long, it kind of looks extraterrestrial-like. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. So, yeah. And what other conversations were at? You don't have to keep clicking on and off because we'll talk to you for a while. Okay. My bad. All right. I'll just click it for a little bit. Yeah. But...

So we were going through Indiana, a lot of windmills. There were some issues trying to get the teeth figured out because Stevens were like implanted teeth. Vampire teeth, yeah. Yeah, so there was some glue mixing in there as well. Uh...

What else did we talk about? There were some parking situations, seeing if memes would give Hooters another shot. What are your thoughts on the Hooters? Yeah, Hooters gives me stomach pain. Oh, got it. But Zach talked me back into Hooters. So did you try it, memes? Yeah, yeah, I'm back in. I'm back in. Had a burger. How was Pug on this trip?

Oh, Pug was a real backbone of the trip. Oh, really? Because he's not a Knicks fan. He's just from New Jersey, and he was recording everything. But he was the glue that kept us together. Oh. Where did that happen? It was...

A stunner. Well, the hat was so that people knew that he was not a Knicks fan or a vampire. He was a journalist. A human being. All right. So, and then in the game, how was attending the game with memes? Did you guys share high fives, hugs? Attending the game was sick. There weren't any hugs. There was a few fist pounds, a couple high fives. It got a little gloomy just because it felt like we were chasing the same 10 points for about two quarters. There was also some irate fans around the building.

There was a woman that felt as if we were recording her child the entire time. Pugs was wrongfully accused completely. Oh, what happened? We sat next to a nightmare woman. I saw some of the videos and it was she basically tried to keep getting into the shot that Pug was taking of the three guys and then also being like, stop filming me.

So what'd she say? She said, you're getting my child in your video. You have to delete it. So she was just like, can you guys stop recording this way? And then Steven, very respectfully in his vampire teeth, looked at her. We're just like, we like, we're just recording ourselves, like three of us. And then she just like, disrespectfully was just like, you guys are filling my child.

To the point where the people behind us were like, oh my God, they're filming her kid. And then I had to step in and be like, no, we're for a podcast. You had to address the crowd. Had to address the crowd. This all, by the way, did happen while Stephen Shea was dressed as a vampire. What was the takeaway from... I know that some of the New York fans have been upset about the Pacers and more specifically Pat McAfee taking the mic and being like, all you out of town sons and bitches, go back home.

As an out-of-town son-of-a-bitch memes, Nzak, did you guys feel like that was hostile directed at you guys? So, no. Let me tell you about their Jumbotron team. They won the entire game. They brought the entire – every single player who played for the Pacers ever was there. So they started in the first. They introduced some guys, like a couple first-round draft picks. Then they increased. Then they brought out Jermaine O'Neal in the third quarter. Massive pop. You thought that was it.

Timeout in the fourth, they do the let's go Pat McAfee, and the crowd just went nuclear. That pretty much won them the game. Yeah. And he did tell you guys that you're out of here. Yeah. But it is what it is. It also sparked a run from the Knicks, but they just couldn't close. Massive momentum switch. I guess more importantly, what was the vibe like on the ride back? How much talking? Well, before the ride back, did you get lost, Zach?

I should have took some photos of where we parked at. I did get separated from the group, and then I ended up at the wrong parking garage doing the loops. Steven said floor two. So I kept going back to two, like one to four, back to two, thinking maybe I just missed the Mazda two or three times. And he's like, oh, no, that's the wrong one. Yeah. I made a massive mistake there. I thought I was going to be in Indiana for the evening. Yeah, because I got a text after the game because I was on a group text with all the guys, and they just said we lost Zach.

And I was like, oh, this is not going to be good. So you were just in a different parking garage altogether. Different parking garage. I was actually very close in proximity of the two parking garages. I'm almost right there the whole time. And I'm just spinning, doing loops. It was rough. It wasn't good. It was a bad look. So you're in the right spot in the wrong parking garage. Wrong garage. But if the car had been in that garage, you were in the exact right place to catch it.

Yes, I was just a little off. Yeah, just a little. Yeah, just a little off. Right across the street. All right, so the ride home, what was the vibe like on the ride home? A little bit defeated at first. It did take some time to get out of the garage. A couple of gas stations tried to stop at. They were all locked. That didn't work out too well. We finally made it to a McDonald's. They could get some caffeine going because we wanted to make sure everybody was good for their ride home. Any music? No.

Music towards the tail end of the end of the trip there. There's some playlists getting shuffled through. Okay. So memes, don't listen to this. But Zach, memes has a tendency to get very, very angry when his team loses. Did he say anything or make you feel unsafe in any way? Did he hit any children?

No children were hit, no children were recorded, and I felt pretty safe the whole time. Okay. All right. Okay. Now, we're doing Fyre Fest right now. Did you have a Fyre Fest? I asked if you had a Fyre Fest. I did bring one today. Did you want me to go over it? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So my Fyre Fest of the week would be oversharing with Stephen Che on the way home after we were at the McDonald's. Yeah. So I don't think Max has heard this. I think Hank and PFT haven't heard this. I wanted you guys to hear it for real. Okay.

What did you overshare? So this is what happened. We're at the McDonald's. They say go to the third window. We go to the window. We're trying to get me some coffee. The coffee takes a little bit longer than we would have thought. I kind of like, you know, it's late. The game's over. We lost. It's been some time in the car. I wasn't really thinking about... We were just shooting the shit, you know, and me and Steven started talking about McDonald's orders. And so I bring my order up, and he just... I shouldn't have shared it, but it's...

Just two double cheeseburgers, no pickles, extra onion, two fries, and 20 nuggets. And then I didn't think that would be an insane order. You just tossed the 20 nuggets in at the very end. He said it to me like five times, and every time the 20 nuggets just get fucking tossed like dice on the craps table. It was like it was the sauce that you put in at the end. What size fries? Large fries. Oh, my God. That's my favorite part.

And how many days in a row was that? That week it was the fourth or fifth day. There is a second burger place next to it that I rotated to. I know now that I probably should – I know now that it's a bigger order than some consume. I didn't think it was that crazy going into the conversation, but I now know to – Say it again? It's two double cheeseburgers, no pickle, extra onion, two fries, and then 20 nuggets. Yeah, it's a big order. And now, Zach –

You've been at Barstool for three weeks now. I have, yes, sir. This is the second and a half week. We're in the third week right now. We're in the third week. So how many days is that? You're at 20 days? 20 days, yes. Wow.

How much weight have you gained since starting at Barstool? Anywhere between like 18 and 19 pounds. In 20 days? It's not the best. Were you eating this type of meal when you were in Florida? Were you eating in Florida? Is that like a new thing? So I go... What tends to happen is I'll kind of fixate on a meal. So once I get into something that I'm enjoying, I'll then probably rotate that out for probably a week or two. Fair. And then... So for the past like two or three weeks, the burger and fries has got me in a chokehold. Yeah. And...

The problem is, PFT, he got his apartment in Chicago. And how close are you to a McDonald's? So I'm 250 feet from a McDonald's. I'm 250 feet from another burger place, Small Cheval. It's not... He's an alcoholic living in a bar. It's very good. So when...

When you moved here, you saw the McDonald's. Did you move into the apartment because it was so close to the McDonald's? I did not. Did it factor at all? Were you like, hmm, that's the extra little bit that I needed to make this decision? No, I knew as soon as I saw the McDonald's, it would probably be an issue, actually. Having that kind of easy access to...

To a McDonald's, really. How many days in a row do you think you could go eating that same meal? I've never put something like that to the test, and hopefully not any more days than yesterday. I want you to be yourself. You've got to keep doing what you do. I did switch to a chicken yesterday. Yeah. I thought that was a good call. So this is what... I haven't heard this. I did Chick-fil-A instead of... I'm scared to ask what your order is at Chick-fil-A. No, I learned a lot about myself yesterday. I did some, like, inter...

Some thinking, and I just went two sandwiches, two fries. That was it. That was it. You didn't get the nuggets. Two sandwiches, two fries. No nuggets. And I have a little ice cream, but it's just only one pint. Yeah, so this is the part, PFT and Hank, you got to listen to, and Max. What do you usually finish your night with?

Again, I didn't think we'd be going over this, but Ben & Jerry's. I like Ben & Jerry's. They got good mix-ins, good flavors. Netflix and Chill is probably my favorite. The Cookies and Milk is also great. Yeah? Ask them, PFD, how much. How much? You said... I noticed that when you were talking earlier, you said just a little pint. That is great. With a Chick-fil-A. That implies that normally it's more than just one little pint. How much is normal? Just one to two pints. That's it. Okay. Okay.

But if it's one, it's just like a little. Yeah, just... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What about just like a serving? It's a pint, yeah. You are remarkably thin for the way that you are saying. Yeah, you are in good shape. I am like so jealous. Yeah. I carry one. I usually just try to go with a black shirt because black is... Same. Oh, yeah. I keep it dark, you know what I mean? You're looking at a black shirt guy right now. Yeah, this is what we do. But PFT, I think he's being a little coy here.

Zach has a strict policy that if he opens a pint, it's done. Oh, yeah. He does not. But then he opens his second pint, it's also done. Yeah, usually by the time I'm done with one pint, I've had more than enough ice cream. But you, you're just getting started. So you don't believe in the lid either. I'm with you. Yeah, no, I don't believe in the lid. It's a no-lid household.

League goes out with the rapper, yeah. Yeah. All right, so what other meals have you become fixated on? As of right now, it's just been burgers and fries. But you mean historically? Yeah, I mean, there had to be one before this one, right? Oh, yeah, the one before this was turkey sandwiches and potato chips. And how many turkey sandwiches? That was only for... You just two with the chips. You always...

You are skinny for how fat you sound. Yeah, you are. It's just like going back for seconds. You know what I mean? Like, you ever go to a home-cooked meal and you have some spaghetti and you're like, oh, I'll probably get second. So it's like a sandwich. It's just going back for seconds. I'm a big proponent. I got killed for this last year. The two bagels. Always got to get two bagels. That's the right way to do breakfast. One bagel's never enough. It's a tease. When you're eating this meal, is that your only meal of the day? It is. Okay, so you're like a snake. You have one. You do intermittent fasting every day. Yeah. It is almost a fast, yes. Yeah, so it's very healthy.

So a lot of calorie intake, but it's also, then we fast through breakfast and lunch. Not too bad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So we got to the McDonald's and I said, you could order whatever you want. Like I have the company card, like order whatever you want. And he was afraid to say that mail. So he only got a Diet Coke. Oh, why would you starve yourself? I didn't. It felt like a safe play in the car. You know, I didn't want to be doing rappers and stuff getting in the way. So it's actually pretty fair. Yeah. Yeah. But still you were thinking about the order.

Yeah, it crossed my mind. Yeah. It did. And the Diet Coke, 99% water, so zero calories there, too. That's a great way to look at it, yeah. It is funny. We were just talking about the two bagels or the two sandwiches, which I actually have no problem with, but again...

You just kind of sneak in the 20 nuggets. Yeah. Well, I think my favorite part of Zach eating these giant meals and getting two of everything, even this guy knows, you just need one soda. Yeah, right. You just need one. It's not going to get crazy. Two sodas is a wild move. I don't want to bloat. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. You wouldn't want to bloat from the two cheeseburgers, 20 nuggets, and two pints of Ben and Jerry's. Two sodas is just crazy. Carbonation will do it, though. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So, Hank, you have a firefress, or did you want to ask him a question about the cream tea? Yeah, but I don't really have a fire. I have a firefress. It's not great. My firefress was just going to be, I was told that we were going to have ice cream this week from you via this podcast. Yeah. And then today I heard loud drilling. Yeah.

Seems like there's nothing going on. I've talked to some people, some inside people that maybe work in the kitchen here that...

They're not feeling hopeful about ever getting ice cream, let alone this week. Yeah. I was promised ice cream this week, and I have not had none. Zach was just shaking his head when you were talking, Hank. So it's just never going to happen? We work in an office that can't have ice cream? We bought ice cream. We don't have the plug. Well, hold on. Oh, does it run 220? I bought an ice cream machine that cost me seven grand and then was told, hey, guess what? It's going to cost double.

Just to plug it in. Just to plug it in. And it might not work once it's plugged in. It plugs into like the dryer type plug. That's the 220 volt, not the 110 volt. And we were, I was told. All due respect to the cream team, you got to look at that on the specifications of the machine. Oh, it's bad. I was told by the cream team we had one plug that was

that could handle one of them. And they're like, we might need to figure out a way to get the second plug. Then, upon further review, we have zero plugs that can handle that electricity. We don't have a 220-volt circuit here. So we have a... There's a 220 outlet in the kitchen that has like a... It's got a 220 fascia, but 110 voltage behind it. So it's a pump fake outlet, but that's no excuse for needing a second outlet at all. Right.

That is kind of a weird move that they put a fake 220 face on it. There is a... From the eye test, it's 220. The voltage behind it, 110. Okay. But did you know that we had 220, the ice cream machine had 220 when you bought it? We knew it ran off of 220, which is why we found out about the existing 220 in the kitchen. Not being able to go to 1-220-220 is a massive oversight. It's completely our fault, and I'll take full accountability for that. I'm sorry. Are there any ice cream machines that run off the regular voltage? No.

There are, but the thing is, two flavors was needed. You need more power. You need two flavors. You need two compressors, and the one flavor was shot down, so we're like, well, we got to make this work. Yeah, they tried to give me one flavor. I was like, absolutely not. Over under 20 grand spent before ice cream is consumed. It's got to be under. Okay. It's got to be under. You're a fan of it. It's got to be. Do they make two? Because we're at 12 right now.

It's so under. It's so under. But we're at 12, but we don't have ice cream. 12 is not good, but ice cream is coming super soon. Do they make generators for 220 volts? Sorry. We could run off a generator. I don't know if you want to do this kind of fumes inside and the noise, but we can't pivot now. The electrician was here, but I don't know if a generator would have worked. What are the chances that we don't get ice cream? Ever? Ever. Ever.

That can't be it. I need a percent because there is a chance that there's 12 grand for nothing. Anything can happen. We might not wake up tomorrow, but so 1%. Oh, okay. So you're saying 99% chance there will be soft serve. Experiencing ice cream, yeah. Okay. Experiencing ice cream. We will be experiencing ice cream. Before or after July 4th break.

Oh, before. I've put a hard date on them Wednesday. Wednesday? Wednesday is what I want. I want cream on Wednesday. But a hard date means that, like, what happens if we get past Wednesday? Well, here's what we're dealing with with the cream team and specifically Zach. He told me that when he found out that there was going to cost an additional five grand, he wanted to puke. And I told him, you should have puked because I would have liked to see the puke.

So I think that if we don't get it Wednesday, I'm going to at least get to see him puke. That's fair. That's super fair. Yeah. Okay, Zach, I appreciate that you took accountability for it, that you're like, it's an unacceptable mistake, all on me, hand up. But whose fault really was it? It is my fault, 100%. Mincy? Mincy? Not Mincy's fault. Mincy did great getting a free topping dispenser, so I can't do that. Yeah, that was his task. That sounds like a complicated task. Jacob? Jacob. Not Jacob's fault either. Okay. And you're...

Pete? Are you... Is there any concern, like, from the... Good point. Where did you buy the ice cream machine from? You don't have to name names, but, like, I was just thinking, like, out loud, why would you sell an ice cream machine that works well? Oh, so they needed to go...

This restaurant establishment needed to go to an even bigger machine. It's Small Cheval's ice cream machine. They have good ice cream there. I've eaten that ice cream. So they just needed to get a bigger machine for the demand of the Uber Eats, all the delivery services, and the in-house. Yeah. Which we do have a high demand here, but I would imagine a little less demand than the...

Wednesday we're going to be stress testing. Yes, sir. I do think that there's a good chance that Pete is actually to blame for this. Because putting a fake plate on an outlet, having it look like it's 220 when it's not, that is a wild boy move. And there's one snake that I can think of that would do something like that. Because he was like, they're never going to figure this out. They're not going to run 220 off of this. They're not going to buy an ice cream machine. That's got all business Pete's sticky little fingers all over. Could have been an honest mistake.

Not Pete. Not Pete. Fair. This is a fuck Pete podcast. Okay. So get in line, Zach. Yes, sir. Go ahead. I'm in line. No, no. Fuck Pete. Say it. Fuck Pete. Pete. Say it. F Pete. Okay. F Pete. I'll take F Pete.

This is like the initiation into a game. Yeah, you'll get there one day. Say it. You'll get there, young man. Yeah. All right, PFT, you're... So we're going to get... We're creaming on Wednesday. Yeah. Can't wait. Scream time, baby. Yeah. Yeah. We're creaming on Wednesday, Zach. I look forward to serving you guys a soft serve ice cream. Yeah. I look forward to getting it from you. And you know... I feel like you're going to puke right now. Yeah. It's going. Is the electrician done?

I haven't checked with him as of right now, but it sounds like a majority of the work is getting done today. I don't want to give you a hard answer on that because I don't want to misinform you at all. Because if he's not done by tomorrow –

Yeah. Well, we still need to tailor reps to come and set it up. Tell me a little bit more about the toppings dispenser that you've acquired. So it's a freestanding, or I believe we may be able to get away with a side mount, but we know we're going to go side mount with the cone, so we've got to make sure we don't run out of a side mount space. It's like three even slots for some classic toppings that we can rotate in and out. What are we thinking for the toppings? Reese's? Reese's?

We can do Reese's. Okay. Hot fudge. There is also a fudge warmer. You may be able to dip your cone into some fudge. What? Yeah, fudge warmer. Holy shit. That's not like a dispensed topping. What about maybe classic sprinkles? We can do sprinkles. Yeah. I think you got to go. I don't know if you guys like that, but it can also be an option. I think we start with the basics.

Maybe crushed Oreo Reese's sprinkles. You know what I like in my ice cream a little bit? Peanut butter. Peanut butter in the ice cream is a treat. Reese's actually makes like a milkshake-centric peanut butter sauce that you can put in your ice cream as well. Maybe we'll look into that. Wow. Okay. I'm definitely open to flirting with the idea of extravagant toppings, but I think we played the hits early. Yeah, let's flirt. Wednesday's going to be great. Great. Yes, ma'ams? Wednesday's going to be great.

Pug wants some vegan ice cream. No. Denied. See ya. I mean, we can't even get ice cream. The cream team. Imagine if I gave Zach the task of getting vegan ice cream. He'd puke everywhere. They have like oat milk ones. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Listen, Pug, we're in no position. We're in no position right now to be saying what kind of ice cream we want. We're lactose intolerant. Hey, Pug, why don't you be a man and just get diarrhea like the rest of us? Why don't you be a man and get diarrhea like the rest of us?

Shouldn't have to get diarrhea to enjoy the great taste of ice cream. You got to prove that you want it, though. You're doing a great job. If you eat ice cream every day, eventually your stomach will harden up. Yeah, right. Be a man.

I'm pretty sure they make like oat milk ones. No, get out of here. Take his mic away and take the headphones back. Zach, you're doing a great job. It's not ice cream. There's no cream if it's oat milk, right? It's cream flavor. No. Cream flavor. They have it at Wrigley and it bothers me every time I see it. It really does. It bothers the fuck out of me.

Doing a great job, Zach. I saw you take off your glasses and kind of wet your face because you're nervous. You're doing a great job. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. We're going to try to continue to do that for you. Wednesday. I like the we. I like the we a lot. We're working hard. We're doing our best. Do you have the Mission Accomplished banner?

The banner's not in hand yet now. All right, we've got to get the banner. I wanted a mission accomplished banner for the first day of cream. That's good. Yeah. All right, PFT, your fire fest. My fire fest of the week is that I quit golf last week after a... It was a strenuous round that I played with Henry at his club. And I don't know if you guys have ever experienced this, but you get so bad during a round or so bad at something that you just completely mentally break. Every time. And you're like...

I never want to look at a golf club again. Never want to talk to Hank about golf. Never want to watch golf on TV anymore. Just fully on. I've never seen you like this. I convinced myself I was going to say fuck golf to the extent that I wanted to become a foot golfer and do the soccer golf and then make it my mission to lobby to have more foot golf courses installed on real golf courses just to fuck with every golfer in the city of Chicago. I love that. Which I still might do.

That's up in the air. By the way, I think I could be a professional, like top half percent foot golfer in the world. I think I got a future in that. Okay. So I quit golf. I was very happy with my decision to quit golf. I've been thinking about not playing golf all week, and it feels great. And then today, got a little tap on the shoulder.

And I think I have to come out of retirement for playing golf because I've been invited to the invitational here at Barstool, the internet invitational to play golf. And I stink at golf, which I'm going to have a sick handicap. Yeah. The timing of it is crazy. You just quit golf. So the internet invitational is something that foreplay and our guys from Bob does sports been working on.

Maybe like a month and a half ago, I made a plea to Dave to have either PFT or Hank in this tournament because I was like, hey, we're doing this. We got a pretty big podcast. Be cool for one of the guys. I'm not going to be in it because I'm not good at golf. One of them should be in it. And Dave was like, no. And we got a hard no. I stopped fighting. I was like, I'm just not going to fight for it. And then out of the blue, right after you quit.

you get an invitation. The second I quit, I can't quit this thing. It's like a bad penny. It's like a cat that follows you after you move. Like I'd already moved on mentally. I was like, he told me no. I asked, I actually, Hank was with me the first time I asked. And I said, you're fighting for me. And I was like, it's going to be, I just wanted you to play more golf. And then, yeah, so I fought for you like three months ago. Then I tried one last shot like a month and a half ago. And then I was like, I'm done. I'm not going to, we're not invited. It's fine. And now you're invited. So now I can't quit golf. So now I'm back.

Print the press release. I'm back, and I'm going to need all of your help, Hank. All right. This is bad because Hank's just going to play so much more golf now. No, but it's teaching. No, I just want to help. I want to help. I'm not going to be coaching, but I want to help get you coaching. And I'll take 30%. 15%. Okay. That was a great negotiation by Hank. Yeah.

You know, because we played with someone we played with a couple years ago. The first time you played there, you broke 100, and it was not going as well this time. And I was like, I think, you know, PFT is probably – I've probably seen PFT in the simulator for probably, I don't – like, total 40, 50 hours combined over the course of the fall and winter. Yeah.

Only hitting driver and only hitting driver as hard as you can possibly hit it. That's step one. We're putting the driver away until the end. We're practicing the other clubs. You know what this sounds like? Hank and I have that long drive bet. Hank and I have that long drive bet where he owes me $1,000 per yard at Tahoe. But you didn't even hit one yet.

You hit one good drive on Friday. Hank, you hit one good drive on Friday. How far did it go? You hit one good drive on Friday. How far did it go? It went like 320 yards. It was a fucking bomb. It was a fucking bomb. But you're playing golf for a million dollars. Would you rather win a million dollars or win a couple thousand? Off you?

Yeah, but I'm taking 15%. Would I rather win a million dollars or would I rather win like $50,000 out of Hank's pocket? That is actually a good question. Also in the internet invitational, as far as I know, and I don't know much about this, uh,

You're competing against like 31 other golfers. In the Hank PFT long drive, you were competing just against one. All right, well, so don't say you want my help and then just turn down the literal first piece of advice. Hank, it was very suspicious how your first piece of advice is you're not hitting driver at all. Factor of fiction, you've gotten worse at golf since we've had a simulator in this office. I've gotten worse at some parts of golf. No, you can't drive. PFT, you hit like 10 drives out of bounds. Hank's not allowed to do the fingers when the fingers are for you. Yeah, the fingers are for you.

You're not allowed to do the fingers. You're not allowed to do the fingers. I want to help. Put the fingers down. I want to help. You have to put the fingers down. No, put the fingers down. Put the fingers down. You have to put them down. All right, now their guns are out. Guns, guns, guns. Hank, you have a long drive competition coming up in a month and a half against PFT, and your first piece of advice is put the driver down. The first one. The very first thing you said. You could have at least been kind of sneaky about it. The long drive competition, you have to hit him straight to.

Like if you're spraying them, those aren't going to count. You have to hit the fairway. I have to hit one straight. That's all. All right. But Hank, I'm not going to listen to your driving advice because why would I take advice from somebody that can't drive? All right. Just hit other clubs. Start there. Okay. You can drive as well, but let's try and hit clubs at a normal speed. I'm going to need you to coach me. I'm going to need you to coach me hard. We're already in a bad spot, but I will.

This is a good spot. No, I know. I'm also proud. Sounds like we've got to make some golf videos. Yeah. For work? Shit. Sounds like we've got to get back in the golf video. I'm going to make it my singular mission to win the million dollars. And you know what I'm going to do with that million dollars? We're going to have a fucking party, boys. Oh, I thought you were going to say more ice cream. We're going to have an ice cream party. Oh, yes. Ice cream. Petting zoo. Petting zoo for the office. Mm-hmm.

Toosie? I'm going to make it rain Toosie. Toosie's going to be in the topping bar. Yes! Oh! I'm excited for you, PFT. Yeah, I'm excited too, except it felt great to quit golf. It really did. I might have to just quit golf after this. But I think we're learning lessons that quitting golf led you to this. Me giving up trying to get you guys in led you to this. Yeah. Max not DMing Rebecca Romijn is going to end up with an affair with Rebecca Romijn. This is what you have to do. I think... What? You know what you've got to do. What?

give up on the ice cream no shut up no no no yeah no it's a good lesson that quitting sometimes works really well yeah it's some it's the best thing that you can do yeah all right well to be continued to be continued uh all right my fire fest simple one uh i fell for a phishing scam that was a test by our own company um it's bullshit we don't have to talk about it what was it was the link okay so what was the link

I have not clicked on a barstool, uh, email in probably five years. Like it's just, it comes from like people at bar. So like it just says the person sending it, it's not a name. It's just like barstool sports. Right. And I don't click on them. There's like HR training. Haven't clicked on any of those. Uh,

This one happened to be a free Uber Eats gift card for $50. So that was the subject of the fucking email? Yes. And I clicked on it, and it took me to a fake phishing site that said, you just got hacked. Please learn about cybersecurity. But it said it was from Barstool, right? It looked so real. And not only that. Shut up, Hank.

I'll find I'll say the other part too. I did also click on it again later that night because I was like, maybe if you click on it once the second time they give you the thing. Now, I'm not going to point fingers to anyone in this room for why this might have happened. Yeah, it sends you to a site says, oops, you opened a phishing test. Don't fret. This is an opportunity to learn more about how to identify actual malicious attacks. As a result, you've been assigned the following cybersecurity training. Oh, so now you have to do the training. I'm not doing the training. I'm not clicking on any emails ever again.

Can I just, and again, I'm not making excuses. Nope. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone. Nope. Did this happen a mere hour or two after I was told that the cream team has failed in their initial attempt to get the ice cream machine plugged in? Zach? Was it in the timeframe? Yes. I saw a $50 free Uber Eats gift card and I was like, I'm just going to buy some ice cream.

He was in a very emotionally vulnerable state. Correct. And if the machine was up, you would have never hit the email. Never would have hit the email. Because you don't need $50 from Uber Eats to order ice cream if you have your own ice cream. You don't need $50 from Uber Eats ever. So that's on us. It's so bad that it was Uber Eats. If it was anything else, it would have been like, ha ha, I got you.

If it was like hypothetically a toll, an unpaid toll. Literally just someone was like, here's some free food. You're paying a bill. Like you don't need free food. Free food. It was a free food tax. I would have answered. I was like, I don't want to get fucking the IRS to kill me. It was bad. It was bad. It was bad. But I do think that, again, not to point fingers, the ice cream machine knopping up was a killer. You were hungry. I was hungry. And I wanted ice cream. Bad. Bad.

Mentally, spiritually. Yeah. Free ice cream is better than any ice cream in the entire world. Who can we point the finger at really, though? Zach. That's on us. Yeah. That's on us. I like that, Zach. I like the accountability. All right, Zach. Well, everyone tune into the PMTV. Zach on the way to Indie with Memes, Pug, and Stephen Shea. Great job, Zach. We'll finish with numbers. You get to guess first. No. You said numbers. I said he gets to guess first. You said numbers. Oh, that was fucked up, Memes.

The guest always guesses first, though. Yeah. What would you like to guess, Zach? I'll just go with 10. Okay. For what? 10. Just for 10? Yeah. Not a reason? I like 10. Smooth round number. Yeah. Smooth. I'll go for 4, June 4th, ice cream opening day. When is the invitational? I'll go 71. I'll go 15. Hank, what's my target score to win the invitational?

I have no idea how the format works and what the handicap is, but net. My handicap is max. You're going to have to be net 70s, which means whatever your score is minus 25 strokes or whatever. You're going to have maybe even net 60s. The guys in this Invitational are phenomenal golfers. I'm going to go 66. Net 66 would be, yeah. Competitive. Which would mean you'd have to shoot like a 90. It's possible. 66. You can do it.

You can do it. All right, wait. So numbers. Three for memes, 10 for Zach. Four. I'm going to go 71. 66. 99 poke. You're going to have to shoot net 66 like four times. 37. I can do it. Max, what was your number? 15. Come on, Zach. Come on, Zach. 10 for Zach. 25. 25. Love you guys.

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