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Hey, Shore Wavers. Emily Kwong here. And today I am joined by producer Hannah Chin. Hello. For a story about forests. Okay, Hannah, you reported this story from somewhere that sounds pretty wet. Are you in a forest right now? I am not in a forest, but I did report this story from somewhere that is wet, which is my home state of Oregon. Nice. We drove out on a rainy day to the U.S. Forest Service's Dorena Genetic Resource Center.
It's located in Cottage Grove, which is this small town that's a couple hours drive from Portland. And the day I visited, the crew was pretty busy. We're putting 10 per bag here. So let's see, I got 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. That's how many fit in this bag. Packing up hundreds of baby Douglas fir trees into plastic bags and then big cardboard boxes. And then I'm putting it in the pile here.
Right now we're counting 67 per box. So this is Michelle Osgood. She's the assistant horticulturist here at Dorena Genetic Resource Center. And she and her crew are taking all of these seedlings out of the greenhouse. So we're taking each tree out of its cell that it's been growing in for about, I don't know, eight months or so. And...
Putting them in these bags, into these boxes that are going to be frozen for a couple of months before they get out planted. They're going to freeze these little baby trees? Yeah, it's so that they can keep the trees in storage until the ground is like ready to plant. Right now they're dormant, so they're not really growing. They're kind of sleeping right now. And then we'll put them into a deep sleep in the freezer for a couple months. And then they'll wake up and they'll be out in nature and start growing again. They're like deep sleep princess trees.
Tree popsicles. Deep sleep princess seedling popsicles. But yeah, basically. What are these seedling popsicles for? Okay, so you already know that forests are really important for the ecosystem, right? Oh, we depend on them. I mean, trees generate oxygen. They trap CO2. They absorb water to help prevent flooding. They regulate temperature. They're like...
Critical habitat for animals. Yeah, right. But they're in danger due to things like over-harvesting and increasing wildfires. So that's why we need reforestation. Replanting new forests to replace the old ones.
So Emily, these seedling popsicles are part of a reforestation master plan that the Forest Service is carrying out across the West Coast. It's a plan that looks into the future to help our forests survive increased heat, changing weather patterns, and other potential threats that they might face.
So today on the show, reforestation reimagined. How scientists are working to change the trees we plant and where we plant them in the race against climate change. You are listening to ShoreWave from NPR. This message comes from Charles Schwab. When it comes to managing your wealth, Schwab gives you more choices, like full-service wealth management and advice when you need it. You can also invest on your own and trade on Thinkorswim. Visit Schwab.com to learn more.
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Okay, Hannah, so humans have been reforesting or planting new trees to compensate for losing old ones for a long time. I mean, this was happening in ancient China as early as 1122 BCE. Which is really cool. But large-scale reforestation, like what you're talking about, really began with the establishment of the U.S. Forest Service in the late 19th and early 20th century, more than 100 years ago. So this is kind of a new project in some way. Yeah, I guess compared to China, it is relatively new.
If you do the math, we've been replanting trees for easily more than a century. Yeah. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's a simple process. It's funny. Reforestation, a lot of times, I think the general public, myself included, before I got into this, you know, you think you put a tree in the ground, it's just going to grow, right? Turns out that's not the case. A lot of times we put things in the ground and they die. And it's the same thing for tree seedlings as well. This is Rob Slaysack. He's a researcher with the U.S. Forest Service.
And he says because growing tree seedlings is so complicated, foresters try to really maximize the seedlings' chance of survival. That involves things like nurturing the seedlings for longer before planting them, or planting the trees more spaced out so that they don't compete for resources, and maybe most importantly, planting local. We've learned that over many, many years in forestry that seeds...
They have learned to adapt to their local situation. So if you move that seed, it might do okay for a few years. It might not. It might grow for a while. It might die later. Something will cause it to not succeed. This is Lisa Wynn. She's the manager of the Durina Genetic Resource Center now. But before that, she was working with the Forest Service as a silviculturist, which just means she does tree and forest management.
It sounds like she's echoing that idea that Rob brought up earlier of planting local. So keeping seeds in a certain area because they're adapted to that local environment. Yeah, exactly. But Lisa's been working in forest management and conservation for a long time. And in that time, the speed of climate change has really shifted. And foresters are trying to figure out whether this local approach to planting trees is
needs to shift too. Now, well, the climate is changing, right? So now we are looking at, is that seed even adapted to that spot anymore? So in the time that it takes for a seed to be harvested and then planted and then start growing,
foresters are realizing the growing conditions in its home might have changed. Right, like it's so much warmer or drier that the seed's previous adaptation may no longer be advantageous under climate change. Exactly. And Rob told me this too. We're dealing with more severe droughts, just more harsh conditions in general. So it's just the seedlings need more of a leg up to kind of get established. Seedlings might face drier or more humid conditions. They might need to weather
unprecedented heat waves. There's just a bunch of potentially changing conditions that endanger these trees. And that's a real problem for forest management. They're going through the same things we are, these poor trees. Yeah, exactly. But...
Foresters have come up with a way of tackling it. And this is a project that Rob's leading, the same project that you heard Michelle and her crew packing up those baby tree popsicles for. It's called the Experimental Network for Assisted Migration and Establishment Silviculture, or E-Names for short. I love an acronym. What makes E-Names so experimental, though? Okay, Emily, would you believe me if I told you that they were looking into the future? Oh.
No. Okay, fair. I will let the experts explain. Here's Lisa. We have a thing called seedlot selection tool. That is a tool that our geneticists developed, and it was really about helping silviculturists figure out what seed to select that's appropriate for what site.
and it helps them look at maps and spatially, and it has the breeding zones in there, it has all the species in there. This tool is online, and it provides multiple different climate models. Each focuses on slightly different things, so that silviculturists can make the most informed decision for their specific forest. And so you can run this climate model and look at what does that seed mean in 50 years, what does it mean in 75 years. Basically, which of these seeds will grow well in the future climate of this location.
All right. So it sounds like what they're doing is estimating the future of specific areas and then using this seedlot selection tool to make an educated guess about what seeds may do well in that hypothetical future. That's what the ENAZ project is doing. It's experimenting with these seed selections, projecting different scenarios for what the climate will look like in the future, and then planting trees accordingly.
So you heard them packing up Doug firs in the beginning of this episode, but they've also planted other species, right? They've got incense cedar, Jeffrey pine, ponderosa pine, sugar pine, western larch, ton of different trees in places all over Oregon and Washington. The way in which the experiment works, we're testing essentially four kind of types of seed sources at each site. And so we test the historic seed, the
that would have existed there historically, the current seed that would exist under the current climate, and then we project out to the future climate and then end of century climate. This sounds very science fiction-y. I mean, very cool. But how can you accurately plant future seeds? In reality, Rob says it's pretty straightforward. All we're doing is we're matching what that future climate is with a different spot that's currently on the landscape. So as long as we match up...
Some of those climate variables like mean cold month temperature is a very common one we use or summer heat moisture index are two really common variables that we use for seedlot selection. We're just matching them in space from what's predicted in the future to what currently exists on the ground.
It's not a perfect system. Rob says there's uncertainty in the climate model projections and uncertainty in the climate variables they're using to match space and uncertainty in how far they transfer the seeds. I mean, this hasn't really been done before, so it's not like they have a ton of things to compare it to.
But the idea is that if you live in a place that has Douglas firs and gets really cold winters now but is projected to get milder winters in the future, and then I live in a place that also has Douglas firs but already gets milder winters right now, then hypothetically, I could send you some of the seeds from Douglas fir trees where I live, the ones that already adapted to milder winters, so you could plant them.
Does that make sense? Totally. So that we have any Douglas fir trees at all in the future of my area. Right. Except if you were robbed, then you'd actually send the seeds to Dorena Genetic Resource Center and then they would sprout the seeds and plant them and grow the baby seedlings first. And turn them into popsicles, different flavors, ponderosa, larch, and ship them around Oregon and Washington? Exactly. You're generally moving it from a climate that it was historically adapted to, that it evolved under.
And then you're moving it to a climate that you think is going to exist in the future at a given location. And that's, yeah, that's assisted population migration, also referred to as assisted gene flow. But it's sticking within the existing habitat range of that species. And so it's generally considered less risky than like assisted species migration where maybe you're moving a
you know, a species far outside of its natural range. So they're moving the population around, but still staying within the overall species range. That way, they're hoping to avoid the risk of introducing new, potentially invasive species while still benefiting from the natural individual adaptations that trees already have.
That's really smart. Okay, so where are we at in this project? It sounds like it's early stages, so do we have any sense of how it's all going? They only started planting sites last year, but right now the plan is to do a first-year measurement after each site is planted and then to check in on each site every five years. Rob says he's committed to leading it for at least the next 20 years, and he's hopeful it could continue for even longer.
Because the Forest Service has a history of really committing to long-term growth experiments, like the Doug for Heredity study that launched back in 1912. Where they were planting different populations. There was this understanding that, you know, based on how those trees evolved under the given set of conditions in which where the population existed, they would perform better than trees that evolved under a different set of conditions. And so now we're just using the concept to spin it on its head. I mean, Emily...
Some of the trees that were planted as part of the Doug for Heredity study are still around, right? It's been over a century and there's still stuff that we're learning from these same trees. Wow. That's pretty cool. Because you don't often hear about experiments lasting more than a decade or two. I mean, they're working on timescales of...
up to, I imagine, like a century. And if they are successful, you know, if this experiment goes well, these tree babies you saw earlier could grow up to outlive both of us. No, totally. And if these trees make it, they'll need to survive all of these different climate scenarios all along the way.
Which, again, kind of scary, kind of impressive, kind of optimistic. Lisa talked about it too. You look at different milestones. If you look out 25 years, what does it look like? If you look out 50 years, 100 years, what does it look like? And you have to know, you have to take into account now, because you have to have seedling survival, but you also have to take into account if that tree's going to be there for 100 plus years, what's going to happen?
You know, do you want seed that was adopted 100 years ago? You have to find that balance, right? But they're creating a future where perhaps forests are standing and these trees have a chance. And that's pretty cool. Gives me some hope. Yeah, me too. Hannah Chen, thank you so much for bringing us this story. Thanks for having me, Emily.
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