Behind the Show | Charlamagne on Misplaced Political Anger
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Yo, yo, what's going on out there, everybody? My name's Ashton Womack, stand-up comic and writer for The Daily Show, and today you are listening to this edition of The Daily Show Behind the Show, and we got our lustrious, lustrious sixth correspondent, Mr. Charlemagne the Guy. Ashton Womack, what's up, brother? Are you related to Bobby? No, I'm not. You know, it's very interesting. Black people, they go, Bobby Womack. White people, they go, Ashton Kutcher. And I'm like, no. Uh-huh.

Just broke. Like, just broke. You're not broke. You're just in between blessings. Yeah. And also, I'm not broke, for real. Yeah, you're not broke. You're right on The Daily Show. You're not broke. Cut it out. No. But yeah, no, today we're discussing an important topic. This week, I don't know if you guys have been online, Trump is the president. He is now the president. Yes, he is. I don't know if you've seen. If you're finding out from this podcast...

Damn, dog, what have you been on? Welcome home. You've been in solitary confinement for the past 20 years. That's right. You hope your ass is not Mexican because you are getting deported. I can't say welcome home to you.

But Trump is president, and for some odd reason, people, when the inauguration happened, people weren't mad at Trump. They seemed to be mad at rappers, Snoop Dogg and Nelly in particular. And if you saw online, Charlamagne addressed this, and that's what we're talking about on this week's episode of The Daily Show with Charlamagne. Why there was anger, where people chose to direct their anger. They weren't angry at Donald Trump. They were angry at rappers. Hi.

The first week of Trump 2.0 is almost up, and one thing is clear. Some of y'all are not going to make it through four years, okay? Because you could barely handle these last four days. That's right.

People are losing their whole damn minds and it's causing them to lash out at the wrong targets. Snoop Dogg, Nelly are facing backlash right now after performing at Donald Trump's inauguration party today. Fans took to X to express their anger with one user saying that they no longer respected the artist for participating. Snoop performing during Trump's inaugural weekend? Not this Snoop Dogg.

Yeah, everyone's talking about Snoop and Nelly. I knew Trump would take America backwards, but I didn't think it would be to 2003. People, please, stop wasting your energy attacking old school rappers. The only thing they did wrong is inspire Mark Zuckerberg's new look. Yeah. He looks like Flavor Flav if the flavor was mayonnaise. Yeah. Look, man.

The reason people are mad is because back in 2017, Snoop denounced artists who played Trump's first inauguration. But in his defense, you think Snoop remembers 2017? Snoop has burned more trees than the L.A. wildfires.

Charlamagne, what's your take on this? Why did that upset you that people were angry at rappers? I just think it's silly and it just shows how unserious we are as a country. And, you know, we tend to put everything on the same scale. But then we actually, you know, make things that are heavier lighter and things that are lighter heavier. And I mean, I think it's just that train of thought that

is what got Donald Trump in the White House in the first place. Because, you know, Snoop Dogg, Rick Ross, Nelly, Soulja Boy performing at a, you know, crypto event inauguration weekend, that is inconsequential. You know, I think that the energy should be directed towards the elected officials, you know, the Democrats who called Trump things like,

a fascist who said he was a threat to democracy, you know, who likened them to Hitler. But then soon as the election was over, they were like, welcome home. Literally, President Biden was standing in front of the White House saying, welcome home. You know, President Obama was at President Carter's funeral, you know, just showing all his teeth, you know, laughing with Donald Trump. And I'm like, as a voter, that confuses the hell out of me. Right. It confuses the hell out of me because when I see Republicans say something about Democrats,

they stand on it. You saw, uh, Senator Fisher's husband, uh, I think his name is Bruce Fisher. He didn't even shake the VP's hand. You understand what I'm saying? When, when, when Donald Trump, uh, said that Democrats stole the election in 2020, he acted like it. He didn't go to the inauguration. He didn't do no peaceful transfer of power. He's still saying to this day that the election was stolen. And I think, you know, when it comes to political optics, you know, that goes a long way, um,

with voters, especially their base. And I think, you know, with Democrats, it's the complete opposite. It makes, you know, what should be their base look at them and be like, what do they even believe? Yeah. Who are they? Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm not even, not only am I with the losing team, my team can't even lose, like... My team don't even stand on business. Yeah. And to your point about, like, Republicans, they stay on their messaging. They, Democrats, are like...

Yeah. They ignore that they called him a Hitler. They ignore that they call him a fascist. Meanwhile, Republicans are still like, Obama's a Muslim. He's a Muslim. That's right. Just...

Nowhere tied to the truth, but they still, even in loss, they still stick with their little eyes. And we've seen it every single time. When President Obama won in 2008, they kept that same energy his whole first term. When he won again in 2012, they kept that same energy that whole second term. When President Biden became president-elect in 2020, they kept that same energy. They filed articles of impeachment on him on the first day.

So it's just like I just wish for once, you know, Democrats would, you know, treat Republicans the way they treat them. And I know people say things like, oh, that's just...

politics justice the political norm and like I said on the show politics haven't been normal since Donald Trump came down that escalator you know like we can't sit here and act like that was normal political rhetoric we heard in 2024 I didn't hear nobody I've never heard anybody liking the Hitler

I think they actually might have likened Obama to Hitler at one point. Oh, socialist? Socialist, yeah, yeah, yeah. But calling somebody a fascist, calling them a threat to democracy, you know, liking them to Hitler, that's not normal political rhetoric. And if it is or it's going to be, people got to act like it after they say it.

Do you think, now there's a bunch of people who are like, like I saw online, when you see the show, you'll see a few clips of people who were upset at Snoop Dogg and who were upset at Nelly. Do you think that, you know, it's mostly people from black community. You don't think there's, we don't have a, um,

somewhat of a, uh, we don't, we should hold our celebrities accountable at least to what they say. I know Snoop Dogg and Nelly aren't no, like, it's like Deja Bell famously said, who cares what Ja Rule, what does Ja Rule got to think? No, of course we don't care what Ja Rule has to think. But like, is there some, is there something to just holding our own people accountable? Like in our, in our own in group? You can be mad at them, but what does it matter? And, and, and I wouldn't have any problem with people holding them accountable if I saw that same level of accountability, um,

You know, if I saw them holding Obama and Biden to that same level of accountability, I bet you if you did a search social media impressions to see, you know, who got more slander because they were cozying up with Trump. Snoop Dogg and Nelly would quadruple what Obama and Biden got. And to me, that's just.

It's just silly. It really just shows how unserious we are as a country because there's no way in hell I should be, you know, caring about what rappers do more than I care about what my elected officials do. Because you know what's going to happen two years from now? We're going to be spending so much time

you know, focusing on the wrong things that when the midterms come, they're not going to be organized. And by they, I mean Democrats. Democrats aren't going to be prepared. And then what's going to happen? They're going to lose the midterms because I guarantee you in two years, people

People not going to be remembering Snoop performing at no crypto ball, but they will remember Obama and Trump smiling with each other. Because, look, I'm a person that got used, misused during this campaign, right? Because I had... I would love, please. Because I had an opinion about that transgender commercial. Mm-hmm.

And so they ran that. Donald Trump turned that into a campaign or a pact for Trump. I turned that into a campaign. What was the slogan? I'm for you, Kamala's for they, for they, them. Right. So imagine what they're going to do with pictures of Obama and Trump. Chummy, chummy. You know what they're going to do with pictures of, you know, Joe Biden saying, welcome back, Trump. What do you think? What do you think? Like, how can Democrats ever say something negative about Republicans in the future that we're going to believe? Like, they got to show us. It's literally like being like Jeff Epstein is a pedophile.

Oh, let me take a picture with him. Like after, like, why would you, you know, he's, that's right. Why would you do it? What are you doing? You've been saying this guy's a, and now you're taking pictures with him. That's insane. Also, I think that one of the things that like really, I think just, it was a gut kick was not just seeing Obama smile. And this I'm speaking personally, it was, it was not just seeing Obama smile, uh,

At the funeral and the inauguration, it was combined with the fact that the first day of his presidency, I'm seeing, you know, these, like,

these migrant mothers who are coming into the country legally being locked out outright hours through the legal process. Trump signed executive orders to stop them from being able to come in a legal way. And so you have all these migrants, these mothers, you see all these people devastated. Listen, the first four days of this administration, Donald Trump has done everything he said he's going to do. Right.

No surprises. He told us he was going to, you know, pardon the January 6th. You know, he told us about birthright citizenship. He said he was going to do all of these things. So there's no surprises. So my thing is, if he said he was going to do all those things on the campaign trail and y'all were calling him a fascist and a threat to democracy and likening the Hitler once he gets in and he's doing them. Where's the rhetoric, people? Where's the rhetoric? Yeah.

be like, holy shit. That's right. Hitler's in the White House. We should be freaking the fuck out right now. They should be saying, I told you so. I don't care about no damn Snoop Dogg performing at no crypto bar. And that goes for all the media personalities, all the cable news folks. That goes for everybody on social media. Get focused, man. You know what I mean? Get your priorities right. I want to see, instead of Obama smiling with Trump, I want to see Obama down at the border with the families that are being affected or just act

in the communities that are about to be affected by this. Or I don't want to see Obama at all. Because guess what? We ain't see Michelle. Michelle said, when they go low, we go high. Michelle ain't even go at all this time. Okay? Right.

Michelle didn't go at all. She didn't go to the funeral. She didn't go to the inauguration. She didn't go at all. Okay? Shout out to Michelle. Yeah, she was like, fuck that. Like we say, he had to come home to that. I hope she gave him nothing but shit. You know he got hit with the he-he-hell. You know that. Now, I'm like, now I will say, like when it comes to like Nelly and Snoop, Nelly, I give less

I give less of a shit to performing there because Nelly got a bad bitch and they are kind of expensive to hold. Damn. So I know he needed that check. But Snoop, Snoop, I think. I don't use language like that towards women. Even if Trump is in the White House. A baddie. I apologize. A baddie.

I'm just trying to get with the vibes of 2025. That's all. But, you know, it is this weird thing whenever white people do something, black men get blamed. By other black people? Yeah. Do we have too high of a standard of ourselves? I'm not going to say we have too high of a standard of ourselves. I just think we have too high of a standard of entertainers.

entertainers get paid to entertain. Like, I don't know if there should be, you know, we should be worried about what entertainer represents what as far as political party. I care about their music. You know what I'm saying? I care about, you know, what they give me in movies, what they give me on TV shows. Like, I'm not

you know, tripping if somebody chooses to go perform at a crypto ball because that's not an indication of what they believe. You know what I'm saying? Just because somebody, you know, performs at a crypto ball. I don't even know why this has been such a discussion, to be honest with you. Like, I'm not even joking. Like, this would be... Based on everything we've seen over the last two weeks, this is what the topic of discussion is? I agree 100%. It's a sad state of affairs that we have to, like, lean in on. Like, we give celebrities opinions so much...

like weight in society either way like that's already bad you know for me including me and I'm not I don't even consider myself a celebrity but it's just like well here's the thing Charlamagne you one that's delusional you're definitely a celebrity you interview celebrities you are a celebrity I just wanted to hear you say it I mean

Nothing wrong with a little ego boost every now and then. You see the shit I got to do to earn my check around here? Thank you. The shit they made me do to get a check in. I appreciate how you see me. Thank you. Tell me more. I was just leading into my next question. That's all. I wasn't trying to gas this man up. But you are famous. You've been famous for a long-ass time, bro. And the thing is, and maybe this is my own wrong perspective, so you can obviously correct me, but black people, we don't have a lot of...

Black leaders. We don't have a lot of black leaders. Y'all killed all the good ones. White people killed all the good black leaders. So we don't have this pool of good leadership that we can look to. I don't even know who I would name. So by virtue, celebrities, black celebrities have become

I'm not saying I want this to be, but it looked like black celebrities are kind of our leaders. We look to the, they're the bigger figures in our, in our culture there. You know, of course we got Obama. Of course we got political, like politicians, but people listen to you. People listen to black entertainers. That's who we like listen to. And so I, I think that's maybe why we don't realize it. We don't have, we don't, it's a lack of leadership in our own community. So when Snoop Dogg,

turns his back on like, or not turns his back, but performs at the inauguration, we're looking at, we're like, whoa, what happened? Flavor Flav spoke at my graduation, my high school graduation. We didn't have any leadership. You wasn't going to school in Long Island? No. You didn't go to school in Long Island? No, I went to school in Texas. Oh, okay, okay. But I'm just saying, that's why I think, that's why I think

That's why I think we have like such an emotional reaction to it. There's nothing wrong with, you know, I guess you can have your disappointment. I'm just simply saying, like, it's inconsequential at the end of the day, because like I said, you know, in two years, people are not going to remember Snoop Dogg performing at the crypto bar. But they're going to remember all those images of President Obama being chummy chummy with Trump. Right. They're going to remember Joe Biden saying welcome back, you know, to the White House. In four years, they definitely going to remember that like at first.

The only thing that can fuck Republicans up at this point is Republicans. Like Republicans have to literally and I said this last time I did Daily Show. I actually encouraged Donald Trump to not prove his political opponents right. But if this first week is any indication, he definitely is. So the only thing, you know, Republicans can do at this point is implode. And when they implode and do everything that, you know, their political opponents said they were going to do.

Then we see with our own eyes, oh, this really was a threat to democracy. Oh, this really was, you know, fascism. But if they just are regular conservatives for the most part and just fuck up the economy and we end up in a recession, nobody going to believe that Republicans bad, Democrats good thing anymore. And I think that's what Democrats are banking on. And that's what bothers me. Like, it bothers me that...

Once again, what do y'all believe? What are y'all about? Like, don't just, you know, tell me Republicans are bad, Republicans are bad, because y'all don't look too good either. So, yeah, actually, that's funny you say that. You're like, you want to know what the Democratic, you want to know what their messaging is. Yes. Have a message. That's what I was going to ask you, Mike. What do you think the Democrats should be saying? Like, but you don't, you're saying they don't even have a platform about it.

a messaging platform. They don't have any message. They don't have any ideology. I don't know what Democrats, you know, believe. I really don't. I truly don't. Like, and, you know, everybody keeps saying they're,

They're leaderless. I think that there are some great Democrats out there, but, you know, they got to be willing to really speak truth to power and they got to rip up whatever playbook politicians have had for the last however many years because the game has changed. The language of politics is dead and the game of politics is over. But for whatever reason, Democrats have not gotten that memo. No. Yeah. They're still playing like old school, like.

They're still playing like boomer politics and Trump, he might be old. That dude is a Gen Z ass president. He is a brand. He is like a TikTok star. There's...

It's different. You know, it's crazy you say that because I say, you know, it's incredible to me how he's captured culture. And this is the second time we've seen him capture culture. And whenever we say the word culture, it's synonymous with what? Black people. Black people. Democrats got all these black people in their party. They're surrounded by black people, all of these black voters, and they don't understand culture at all.

Oh, not even a little bit. That is mind-blowing to me. We should be eating, we should be killing them. Allegedly. I mean, you do. That's a fact, though. But it's like, it's the authenticity. Like, oh, I can't even say the word. I got a lisp. It's the authenticity. Authenticity. I got a lisp, too. We both struggling. Let's say this.

Republicans are authentic, it seems like. And listen, I say that they're more sincere about their lies than Democrats are about their truth. Because when Republicans lie, it sounds like they're telling the truth. When Democrats tell the truth, it sounds like they're lying. No, yo, that's legit. Legit fact. We mentioned it in the piece, but it's like when Donald Trump is talking about 2020 election. Nigga was lying, but he said it so much.

Sounded like the truth. And he acted like it. He did not go. And I hated that comparison. Everybody was like, you know, when Michelle didn't show up to the funeral or Michelle didn't show up to the inauguration, people that were defending Michelle were saying like, well, Donald Trump didn't show up in 2020. I don't even know why y'all did that. Because the reality is he shouldn't have showed up in 2020 because he accused him of stealing the election. You stole this from me. Why would I go to...

What? That is a crazy ass. Yeah, I guess it is kind of the same thing. Because Michelle is like, look, I'm not going because, we don't know why Michelle didn't go. We're just assuming. We're assuming she didn't go because she believes all of the rhetoric that she said and others said about Trump. I'm A-OK with that. Actually, I respect that. I salute it. Same thing with Trump. Trump, you said they stole the election. You act like, not only did he not do a peaceful transfer of power, he tried to lead an attempt to coup. Yeah.

He tried to lead a coup in his country. That's how much he believed the election was stolen. Yeah, rest in peace my dog Ashley Babbitt. That shit was crazy. I'm just telling you, man. No, yeah, that is 100%. 100%. And if you were in the base, if I was in the base, I'd be like, man, he believes in us. He's fighting for us. Don't believe in nothing a man says. Don't believe in none of the politics. Don't believe in none of the ideology. But I do know the anger speaks volumes. That's right. And he used the anger. That's one thing.

point. He used Republican anger and conservative anger like it was the perfect ingredient. Right now, people are angry. People on the Democratic side, they're just as angry as Republicans. You can see it, but they're turning that anger towards rappers. They're turning that anger... It's silly. Turn that anger into organizing and planning and strategizing and getting ready for the midterm. ...

What do we do with that anger? And like, it's because it's clearly palpable. Do we still do Democrats storm the Capitol? Do we like?

It's like, what do you do with that anger? I hear you say it. Organize, strategize, plan, prepare, get ready for the midterms. I don't even think you should spend all day, every day, you know, talking about every single move that Donald Trump is doing. That's the part I'm not looking forward to. Bro, I learned the government based off of Donald Trump mistakes. That's literally, that's how I got good at this job. He kept fucking stuff up. He's like, we getting out the EPA. And I was like, what's the EPA? It's the Environment Protection Agency, the

We need that, right? Yeah. That's how I learned about the EPA. Because the reality is people will see what you're not doing, just like people saw what Democrats weren't doing. And trust me, you know, when the Republican Party implodes...

which it will. Like, you know, you've already seen things like Vivek Ramaswamy out of Doge. And, you know, you hear about Steve Bannon saying he want to get Elon away from Trump. Steve Bannon called Elon a Nazi. That's what I'm saying. Let that sink into your ears. So you're seeing them implode. And, you know, if these grocery prices don't come down, that's what a lot of people said they voted for Trump for. If people are still struggling, if people are still struggling, you know, 18 months from now, you know,

Yeah, they're going to be out there in the streets, you know, angry at Republicans, too, just like folks are angry at Democrats now. I just always I'm just blown away because it's like, have they not been listening to the Trump's messaging? That's the part I'm confused on, because his messaging is also it's it's it's hatefulness. It's like he's tapping into that anger. But also it's like we're going to tax. We're going to get like.

We're going to make tariffs 50% for Canada and Mexico. We're going to buy Greenland. We're going to change, like, were these the plans that, was this what they wanted? I've learned everybody doesn't pay attention to everything, but to that point that you just made, there is a lot of things that he spoke about that people just want. And I think that that's the other thing that America does not want to accept. America doesn't want to accept that a lot of the things that he said he wanted to do,

A lot of people in America wanted those things done. And that's why they went out there and voted for them. I agree. I think the immigration and the, like, sadly enough, sadly, the transgender issue, the immigration, I think those policies really, I know people I talk to, I think what they deem as common sense is like, there's people in this country taking my jobs, but it's more complicated than that.

But yeah, I understand it. There are, that is one part, one thing Democrats are going to have to acknowledge that there are people who want this. It's not just us. I mean, listen, rich white men have convinced poor white men

that the liberal white man is giving away all they to yeah and then the ain't even just black folks no more they i don't even think they're really thinking about us like that is now all right that's right

If they ain't white, you a nigga. Like, straight up. But that's what, I mean, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I be feeling like the split, the divide of the parties are. And I'm not saying that Democrats represent niggas or anything like that, but I am saying Republicans. I don't think that.

You can quote that. You heard that on the Daily Show podcast. But I do think, and this is my atomizing of the parties, my lowest common denominator I can go with these parties. Republican Party is a white man's party. That is a white man. Rich white man. Rich white man's party. Yes, you can throw all the caveats in there all you want, but the core goals seem to be white male centric. And, you know, Democrat ain't got no real messaging, but I do feel like

It is the all y'all nigger parties. Blacks, Asians, Indians, women, gays. I feel like that is what the bubble of the Democratic Party represents, which to me, I

I mean, I'm probably lean more leftist, but I do think that like I would rather be with everybody than just. I don't know. I think the Democrats tent might be too big. Do you think it's. Yeah, I remember, you know, and I asked I've been asking this question lately, you know, on election night, we did a broadcast from Howard University and it was the Breakfast Club, you know, along with.

the Native Land podcast, who was Angela Rye, Andrew Gillum, and Tiffany Cross. And I asked that question that night. I asked them, you know, do you think that the, do you think Big Tent politics still works?

And the reason I ask that is because you watch Republicans focus on their base and their base only. And, you know, they win elections because of that. I think that, you know, Democrats try to be all things to all people. And I don't know if that's if that's possible, because if you notice, you know, they they they lost a lot of their base. You know, this election, you know, there was just enough black men that went over and, you know, voted for Trump, even though we still were the second candidate.

highest voting bloc for Democrats, you know what I mean? But it was just enough. I don't even say black men, black people, right? Latinos, oh my God. More than half of Latinos voted for Trump. That's supposed to be...

the Democrat base. So I think that, you know, in a lot of ways, yeah, I just don't think you can be all things to all people. And I think they should really focus on their base more. I think if they focus on their base more, they'll energize their base more to come turn out during election time. Well, I see that. I can understand that. I would say, like, that...

identity politics, the hyper-focusing on identity politics and making that the big tent picture, I think that was probably not the best strategy because it didn't really give people material things. I still, when it comes to big tent politics, I think about the laborers. I think about workers. And I think that

at the end of the day, we're all labor, we're labor and workers. And I think if you make like a policies based off of laborers and workers, you'll help you're, you're, you're able to pull up more people to the middle class. And that's what this country is built on. So maybe, I guess in my mind, the big tent politics, uh,

It obviously has its flaws. I think they fucked up by doing, like, making everything identity-down and not working on, like... Because everybody's a worker. I can see that. I mean, you want to focus on issues. People care about issues. Food in their stomach. Health care. And they want to be safe. Yeah, I definitely... I don't even know what the Democratic policies outside of, like, health care and just opposing Trump. That's what became their identity. Well, if they do that for the next...

Two years, they're going to lose the midterms. If they do that for the next four years, they're going to lose the next election. So that's my whole message to Democrats, man. Everybody get focused. You know, get your priorities in order. Stop...

targeting the rappers, you know, and if you're going to have anger and if you're going to have vitriol directed towards the right people and the people are the elected officials. It's the Democrats who who who lied to us and played in our face. Right. And man, I can think of so many lies that the Democrats told us that got us in this position. I can think about, you know, President Biden saying he was going to be a transitional president.

President Biden, you know, deciding to run for a second term, but then stepping down too late. You know what I mean? Given the VP only 107 days to run, the VP's, you know, team lying to us about what their internal polling was saying, right? It's just a lot of different things. Michigan all going. Oh, it's just a lot of different lies that caused them, you know, that caused.

to be in the position that they're in right now. And I just want us to get focused. That's it. And also, if you mad at, like, you should expect rappers to be Republican. I mean, bro, Trump, first off, freed every rapper. We don't even know if they're Republican. They just performed at the Crypto Ball. Snoop was a crip. Trump,

Pardon more rappers than I know any president's ever pardoned in my life. Kodak Black, A$AP Rocky, Lil Wayne, literally every rapper. That don't mean rappers got to be beholden to him. But once again, I don't even know what these rappers politics are. I have no idea. They performed at a crypto ball inauguration weekend. What does that mean? So so so so by that logic.

Donald Trump is, I mean, Barack Obama's a Trumper too then. Yeah. President Biden's a Trumper too. If that logic holds up, then Obama's Republican. That's what I'm saying. Just by virtue of being in the area. Proximity. Yeah. Well, there's a co-sign. You're basically saying you're co-signing this person and their actions and beliefs. Yes. That's probably the optics. We can admit the optics don't look the greatest optics. At all.

Yeah, no, well, guys, man, brother. Thank you. I got to go get ready for this show. Always a pleasure speaking to you. I know you got to get ready for this show. This has been another great episode of The Daily Show. Behind the show, my name is Ashton Womack. Can I recommend the book real quick? Absolutely. Anita Kopeck's...

The Wind on Her Tongue. The Wind on Her Tongue. The Wind on Her Tongue. It came out this week. It is the sequel to her book, Shallow Waters. And it's a release off my book in print, Black Privileged Publishing, Simon & Schuster. And I know people that listen to the Daily Show podcast read. Yeah, perfect place to plug a book. Absolutely. Anita Kopech's The Wind on Her Tongue, available everywhere you buy books now. Check that out. Check that out. Check that out. And also check out this episode we got with Charlamagne Tha God. Thanks for listening. Peace. Peace.

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