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This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stugatz Podcast. I am enjoying the Panthers and the time-honored tradition of drinking so much over a couple of days that you agree to contract terms out loud while chanting at your fan base emotionally. Thank you.

I think that portion of the proceedings is a lot of fun. Eight more years is the Panthers do have some interesting decisions to make about how they spend some of their money. But I do want to just go back to last week for a second and our show getting very close to the electric buzz that was the Panthers celebration. Let's play the highlight of all of last week's coverage, which is going out to Roy with comedically perfect timing.

I'm not confident in either our audio or our video. Roy, take it away. We are live here at the Elbow Room.

That was the highlight of our coverage from the elbow room. But lest you think that we are always over promising and under delivering. Listen to how Chris Cody set up the begging to go to the elbow room and then listen to the only content that Chris Cody produced for our show from the elbow room.

Chris and Roy both want to go to the elbow room. Roy, how do we settle this argument? Because what's the nature of the disagreement between you and Chris? Well, I think Roy is like, let's just both go. And I think Carl and I have had the thought of, we want to have in this room today a good, put this in perspective, back-to-back championships, and then let's go out to the chaos. I thought that that would be better. Roy, Zaz, Panther, covering it forever, talk serious hockey. Let's go out to Chris getting it with the party.

Rather than... You just want to go get drunk is what you just told us. Do you think that... What's better... Like, what's actual better content for the show? Me and Zazz having a serious Panthers conversation and then going out to Roy for the chaos at the elbow room? No one having a serious Panthers conversation is best for the show. How dare you? I'm just saying. It's so easier to cover for you if you want. I thought that...

I want to hear from Roy today. Honestly, I know it just looks like Chris. You didn't ask him and you spoke up. I have asked for zero. I really don't do this where I'm like, I want to go to do this. This is an assignment made for me. Two hours later. Bennett slapped my hand. Point proven. I got out there at noon. If I'm out there at 830, I'm up there on that balcony for the shots. That shot of Roy right there is me like, woo!

But no, I got there at noon and I couldn't. You over-promised and you under-delivered, Chris. I disagree. Why don't you just be accountable for that? What do you mean you disagree? You're in charge of when you get to where and you're sitting here saying I got there two hours late. You're making those decisions.

Well, I wanted to get there at 7. And then we had this argument and we showed up here. Roy's like, I have a credential. I'm like, Roy, this isn't a credential thing. It was. Reporters were there before the party. Is it elbow room or the elbow room? I believe on their – it's elbow room. It's just elbow room. So the the is unnecessary. And there's no W in elbow. Yeah, where did that go? I don't know. Maybe it just fell off the building. No, the Panthers took it. They took all the Ws. Yeah.

Zaslow, I know you have very important ESPN Radio things to do because you're a rising star. Your confidence is growing by the day. Every time you appear with us, you appear more and more confident. I do. I feel it. Can we just play the sound, though, before we get to

Ekblad learning the lesson that Sam Bennett taught him. Let's play the sound. This is from 11, right? Things get loosened up at 11 in general. Is that your phone? Whose phone was that? Whose phone was that? Could have been mine. Is it $5? It is your phone again, Greg? Let's play the sound of Bennett giving up the goods in negotiations because it's a celebratory drinking time in South Florida. I am f***ing leaving.

I ain't bleeping leaving. That was the announcement Greg Cody told him to clean up the language. Zaslow reported that last week. I did. That's my dog right there too. Do you feel bad for him having to lug that Conn Smythe trophy around everywhere? It's such an impractical trophy to take to a break. Seriously, so awkward. So heavy. It's got such a

big wide base and at the very top you have to essentially squat down to carry it. - It looks sharp, pointy. - It's very sharp. - Get your eyes. - I saw a picture of it from the bottom. It's hollow on the inside and there's no bottom. Not very impressive. - So you could like wear it almost as like a hat. - Yeah you could, you could put it over your head.

Probably be easier to carry that way. You should, yeah. At the risk of Florida people and South Florida people do care about this one microscopic money management issue that the Panthers do have. It might not be interesting to the audience at large, but keeping together a champion usually is. I see all over ESPN right now they're saying, is it already time to say OKC is a historically great team? No.

This team won two in a row. They're going to have trouble keeping everybody together because the first thing that happens is everybody wants more. And Ekblad learned the lessons of Bennett. Do not negotiate at 11. It's funny. After 11, my agent called me and he said, make sure you don't say whatever Benny said. You got to hold on to that leverage, eh, Benny? What was that laugh? That was a drunk laugh. Hee hee.

That's rich. That's the sound of upcoming wealth is what that is. Why did the Thunder look like they weren't happy to win the championship yesterday? Why can't they open champagne bottles? Why did they not really celebrate? What was going on with them? Did you see hardly any of them were in the locker room and there was nothing going on. Are they old enough to drink? We have a B-roll of them attempting to open a champagne bottle and they look like young 20-year-olds.

It's a very young team. They were also overwhelming favorites in every series that they played. They were minus 700 in every series that they played. Every basketball nerd would tell you this was a foregone conclusion. Chet's just looking around like, we're supposed to be doing this, right? This is what we're supposed to be doing right now.

It looks like they're trying to figure out how you're supposed to celebrate winning. Like is this, I don't know Greg if you think this, but is this like a gotta wanna earn, gotta wanna learn situation? Like they're too young to understand the struggle of how hard it is to win an NBA title? This is why you need veterans. What would happen if one of like the 19 or 20 year old players obviously is just chugging beers? Does anyone care?

So you guys didn't want to have the Bennett and Ekblad conversation, huh? You guys just wanted... I wanted to get that in. I would love to have that conversation. I wanted to get that in before Zaslow left. I want to have it, yes. It feels like Ekblad's not coming back. I don't agree with that. Well, he's the only person that hasn't said, I'm definitely coming back out of the two. Brad Morishan was featured on a video, I think just outside the Elbow Room.

On Friday, holding up four years. People were asking him for one more year. He's like, not one more. I'm coming back for four. There are reports out there that it's got to be more expensive than you'd probably like, given everybody's proclivity to take a discount for this team. From the early numbers that's been put out there, it doesn't seem like Brad's playing that game. Sam Bennett, 8 for 8. He's already guaranteed it every time he's on the microphone that he's coming back. Ekblad's the only guy that's reserved. In fact, yesterday at the parade, he's like...

I'm going to do something that Sam Bennett didn't do, which was listen to his agent and not say that I'm going to be back here for eight years. He said something to that effect while wearing a Scarlett's hat, which I love. Eckblad also said at 11,

he made a point of thanking the fans for all the years of support. It sounded like goodbye. We were there and it kind of felt that way. And last year at the parade, I know we may sound silly for reading into this,

But you kind of caught those vibes from Montour and Lomberg that they were gone because those deals are already discussed in advance of Game 7, really, because the offseason for the champion is so short. Also, Ekblad, he's a little older, and he's clearly not their number one defender. I mean, Forsling has become one of the best defenders in the entire league. You say older, and I guess that's...

Comparatively, he's still not into his 30s, which is crazy because he's been here for over a decade. It's one of the injuries. The writing was kind of on the wall when they traded for Seth Jones. It's like, here, we're bringing in a number two defenseman. Seth Jones has owed a lot of money through the year 2029, but I don't

I don't think Ekblad listening to his agent to not negotiate in public and lose leverage means that he's not going to stay. Because he's been saying, look, I want to be here. I plan on being here. These things come down to the wire. We'll figure it out. That's literally what he said a couple of days ago. I think he stays. Dan, I do happen to know, and he may decide to take a discount to stay here, and I think that's what will happen. Happen to know? Wait a minute. This is a happen to know? The Carolina Hurricanes are going to put a big juicy offer in front of Aaron Ekblad. Wow.

I happen to know this. They're also going to do that for Mitch Marner, and I don't think they're going to get Mitch Marner. But they're going to spend a lot of money this offseason, and they're going to throw a big offer Aaron Eckblad's way for Aaron Eckblad to stay in South Florida. It's going to have to be a pretty big haircut. No state tax!

It's going to have to be a pretty big haircut. Zaslow, I have never seen you more confident. You really are radiant this time in your career. It's what happens when you win two cups. It's been great to be around you during this winning time. Thank you for your work today. Go be with ESPN Radio. We will see you later this week. God bless. The contract clause has kicked in. Zaslow is going to be around more because the Panthers won the championship. That's what I'm talking about. Just a giant bet he won.

Mike, how do you feel about this T-shirt selling at levitardaf.com? Because I saw it earlier.

And we are selling, All Is Forgiven was the ad. All Is Forgiven Marchie is part of the ad at levitardaf.com. When he sues us, you guys will come aboard and see all the things that I see about Brad Marchand. Look, if he extends, I'm not going to run this bit for four years. No, that's not what's going to happen. I'll have to just admit that I was wrong about everything about Brad Marchand, and he'll have to become one of my guys. But here's how I spin into a win. New take.

Here's the pivot. Brad Marchand, forever remembered as a Florida Panther. Wow. Oh, wow. There you go. No, that's not true. When you close your eyes and you think of Brad Marchand, you think of him in that beautiful red sweater of the Florida Panthers. Absolutely. Provided he resigns. Wait a minute. At a discount. He's going to go into the Hall of Fame as a Bruin. As a Panther. As a Panther. Do you do that in hockey? No, you don't do that. But he's going to go into our hearts and minds as a Florida Panther.

Already, has Brad Marchand ever been more famous in his entire career? Even in his prime when he won a cup with Boston, he wasn't this famous. I don't think you're allowed to do this. No, he...

Brad Marchand has never been more famous in his entire career, full stop. I mean, he did lick a guy's face. He has never been more famous than he is right now. He had infamy, and it's not like he loses all those things. He comes into Florida with all those things in his past, and he wins a cup as a locker room guy? You kidding me? And he's dominating. He won this in the age of social media. IG stories and everything weren't around the last time he lifted the cup.

The last time he was the main focus of the conversation. Tell you something, Brad Marchand is a Florida Panther. Yep, I agree with that. He won his first cup when he was 23 years old. He had barely begun to establish himself. He wasn't the best player on that team.

you could have made an argument that he should have been the playoffs MVP. He finished second. Yeah, I'm not against Bennett winning, but there was a strong argument for Marchand. And I agree with you that to a lot of people in America outside of Boston, he's a Florida Panther right now. Look at us. Two guys that are respected for their hockey takes, both agreeing that Brad Marchand will forever be remembered as a Florida Panther. Zagacki.

I want to ask you guys, based on what we were talking about before, because it's not just three Achilles tear. It's almost 10, I think. There were eight this season. A recent draft prospect in workouts. The previous high was five. So we're basically at double the Achilles tears for a season. And if you go from strained calf to torn Achilles and the obvious risk of that, everyone listening to this is

Says that Halliburton has to take that risk for that game, correct? Like there's no one listening to this who's saying that that's the one game that every player has to risk future earnings future contracts future Athleticism future body pain. Is there anyone listening to this now? It's easy to do in retrospect, right like in in retrospect is

we could say not worth it because they lost the game. Right? Is anyone arguing that? I haven't heard a single person because you're saving him for next year? So you can win the title next year, you're a game away. It's a young team and he's your superstar. And once you start messing with these parts of the bodies, you do run the risk of Kawhi Leonard never being the same. It doesn't mean he's not going to be good, but Halliburton,

is a young player. This is an injury you can come back from, but I'm asking, I guess what I'm asking you guys is where is the risk not as obvious? Like in what game do I have to put it at before you're like, no, that's not a risk I'm going to take. I mean, let's, let's just say the Indiana Pacers force the issue on Halliburton and he just stays tight lipped about it. He doesn't end up playing because they, they want to save his body. Tyrese Halliburton becomes one of the bigger players

punchlines in the history of the sport he becomes an avatar for being gutless no you you have to play that game Tyrese Halliburton probably wanted to play that game and it showed and certainly showed on his face when he's mouthing it's heartbreaking like it happened they were all fearful that this would happen they all took that into account but this is what you play for

You'd be holding them out for this game for next season to have a shot to be in the same position that you are right there. I understand all the arguments, and with hindsight, they become a little bit more plausible, but it's a straw man argument. That's why you play the game, to win a championship. And I think that's magnified when your club hasn't won anything since the basketball was red-white again in the NBA.

Oh, man. It is the best Pacers team there has ever been. And that game last night was the biggest game the Pacers have ever played. The sadness of that moment, because obviously we are all sports fans have their own narcissisms. However much it bummed you out to have that be the ending. Imagine how much it bummed him out.

As he's on the floor, climbing, crawling, trying to get to get me to the last shot of this basketball game. Get me to the final. Just let me last. Let medicine carry me four more quarters. Let this team and the inspiration so that I may be Willis Reed forevermore. Get me to the last shot of this basketball game. We're up one at the half.

It's a team of like just rabid dogs on the perimeter. Like they really guard the perimeter. It's sort of the watching these two teams play basketball is the future of the league. And you're like, oh, wow. OK, see, really? OK, they're going to do it with the length of Pippen and Jordan. They're going to steal the basketball from you and go on a run just taking it from you.

Pacers, wildly athletic. Great from three. OKC, better at everything. But four games in that series were played exactly the way Indiana wanted them to. And they lost the one that OKC made three threes in.

And it's just crazy to have that be the difference between those two teams. And I can't believe that Halliburton's trying to climb, crawl to the finish line. And he knows what it was. The mouthing of it happened. Like, there it is. The thing I feared. How do you guys imagine these needles go?

Like whenever it is that we talk about Toradol in NFL locker rooms or wherever it is that you don't know and people don't want you to know about the shady secrets of medicine that push from every angle. Halliburton has to play in that game, even if it costs him the next nine months of his career. Everything in the machine is.

pushes him onto the court, including his own will. There aren't very many people who would sit out that spot when that's what you do for a living. It's not a winning position. It's a loss across the board. It's probably a loss in the game, as you see what happens. They finally succumb to not having him out there for the second half. But to become a joke forever? Think about what Willis Reed has bought himself by toughing it out. Willis Reed has become...

I mean, his legacy is exponentially greater because of the thing that he tried to accomplish. But he played a quarter, right? If Halliburton had limped off in the first quarter, he's not out for the first nine months of next season. No, but if he doesn't limp out at all, he becomes LaDainian Tomlinson sitting on the bench as the New England Patriots beat Phillip Rivers, who has a torn ACL on the field. What does Zinn give you? Not just smoke-free nicotine satisfaction, but real freedom. Freedom to do what you love and choose your rewards.

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Don Levatard. What do I got here? I got a Magnum condom. We won't get that out. That's shocking. Stugatz. Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old. Right next to the condom? Yeah. That's a reminder. Never forget. This is the Don Levatard Show with the Stugatz.

Can we talk, though, about the pain of this? And I'm not talking about the physical pain. I'm talking about the franchise pain and how hard it is to get to these points and why it is that people are willing to do this to their body in order to get to the points that they get. Indiana's best team ever. You know how much that city cares about basketball. They're a half away.

A half away from one of the great upsets in the sports history, led by, they're not winning unless the game is played the way he played it in the first quarter, not turning the ball over.

Halliburton goes on the road game seven and wins injured over OKC to produce that season for Indiana. It's an all-time sports moment for that region. Any sport, any time. He goes in there in pantheon of toughness. That's how close they were. They could chase that at the half. Are they going to get the TJ McCollum?

McConnell inspiration game in the second half is because they missed eight threes in a fourth quarter, they're going to be haunted by, I don't know the next time they're going to get that close because the trade they made just cost them the first half of next season. And they started slow this season. Probably punt on next season entirely. It's going to be really difficult to get to the same spot with Halliburton missing three

Most, if not all, of the season. The part that's crazy to me, when I talk about the pain of a fan base, let's imagine what I'm about to give you here because it happened twice in this basketball postseason, and it was a great basketball postseason. But Boston and Indiana went from, we're right there, this is the greatest thing I've ever known to, gone. Wrap it up. It's gone for nine months. Can't lose that player that way.

So who's in line next to get to the front of the line? Because you went from we're a half away to, oh, there goes next season, too. And I wasn't expecting this. I was expecting T.J. McConnell and his mom were going to lead me to glory. They were going to they were going to paint the most beautiful Indiana sports story that's ever been told.

But after that, do you not... If I'm running a team, I'm not letting anyone play, even in a game seven after a calf strain at that point. Maybe some injuries you can play through, but we're learning a calf strain, we're not playing through that one because that leads to other injuries. So I did some research on it. LeBron in 2021 had a calf strain. Klay Thompson in the finals that Kevin Durant had his calf strain, toughed it out, but he also was...

injured throughout that. That was a narrative there. Aaron Rodgers tried to play through calf strains. Yeah, it's usually a pretty good indicator. There are not a lot of examples of, man, this guy toughed it out through a calf strain and lived it till another day. I don't think there should be second guessing on this unless you can quantify that the calf strain makes him more susceptible to an Achilles. It has to. It does. Yeah, because the tendon takes on more of the pressure as your body naturally tries to stay away from the calf muscle, more stress gets put on the tendon.

I think the hard... Magnifying the heartache this for me is that Halliburton was off to a great start in that game. He had three threes and nine points in seven minutes. This was a guy on fire when he needed to be. And even without him, they lead by one at the half. Oh, but it's just... It is so...

right? I heard your son making fun of you before the show saying you never called Marino overrated for not winning a title the way that you went after McDavid.

But Marino is the standing example. And you've written this a number of times over the years. Dan Marino went at the very beginning of his career to the Super Bowl and went with a tuxedo in the wrapping that Cody has written about. And the tuxedo never came out of the wrapping the rest of his career because he never got back to a Super Bowl. McDavid's been on the cusp here a couple of times. Halliburton was crawling to the finish line. I don't know if he'll ever get back here again.

Like, maybe he's great and a great story, but he just helped drag Pascal Siakam to a more elite status than he had even with Kawhi Leonard. Siakam did win the Eastern Conference Final MVP. If I make up the stat that when you have a strained calf, you're 25%.

If I told you going into that game, it's a 25% chance Halliburton's out all of next year. Even if it is a game seven, I'm still probably saying I'm going to protect my superstar from a 25% chance. You and Mike Ryan injured Kachuk on purpose halfway through the season to play in that hockey tournament. Did you see the report? Yeah, torn head.

Yeah, but did you see how he tore it? It wasn't even during the game. It was reported that it was in the fight with Brendan Hagel at the start. But that's a good example because if you would have said to me, what Kachuk's going to do in this tournament? He's for sure out for an entire year. I would have then said, don't play in the Four Nations. I'm expecting to get banged up. You're out for a month. I believe at the time we're like, if he's out for a month or two, that's worth it. But if it's Halliburton out for a full year, I would have changed my tone. I don't know. You play to get that close.

That's what you do. It's foolish. It's foolish to play with a... He's got a risk injury all next season. Risk injury all throughout next season to get to the chance that you're a game away. You're a half away from a championship. Chris is applying the normal, sane...

perspective of you should not do anything to risk further injury that's going to mean nine months of you enduring a terrible rehab. But the way this entire culture of sport is built, you must sacrifice the entirety of your body and your soul to play in that one

basketball game last night. You can miss all the others, but the one last night, the entire, our entire audience, Chris, you're right. I am speaking to a cult of people who are just sort of numb to the idea of, yes, you, you do choose a wheelchair for about three months and terrible rehab because this game will do that to your body. But that's the choice every football player and hockey players making every time they step on onto a field or ice. Right. And as long as it's their choice, I don't have a problem. But, but,

the pressure of the machine. There is no one pulling in the other direction on this. There's no sane voice. Maybe his mom. Maybe his family. Let's stop making basketball players football and hockey players. They go through a different thing. We've all played basketball.

They're not toughing it through the same amount of things. I understand the Achilles is a death nail and that's devastating, but that's usually when they line up and they lace their shoes up on the court, they're not really risking serious injury the way that other sports are. Understood, but when I tell you three months of rehab that's going to be really inconvenient, not a whole lot of people are going to do things that push to the other side of that in pursuit of anything. If I say...

Hey, there's a 25 or 50% risk here that if you take this shot in order to play this game, you're going to end up with an Achilles tear that might not just be the next six months. It might be your body doesn't work right the rest of the way because of the way things are connected in your body. Now, all right, I'm getting attacked here from two of you. I think you guys are crazy.

Attacked? I'm not crazy. Attacked? You're crazy. They were a game away from a championship. That's why you play the games. And also, you're disrespecting the ABA when you label this the greatest Pacers team of all time. They won three ABA championships. I was thinking of that when he kept saying that. I was thinking of you. Yeah.

I remember the ABA, and it wasn't a bad league. Julius Irving played in the ABA. It wasn't. Dr. J. It wasn't the league. ABA doesn't count. What? Rick Barry played in that league. They had a lot of star power in that league. Yeah, German. That's right. I said the history of the NBA.

Not the ABA. No, you didn't say anything. You said the greatest team ever that they had. Yes, you did. And you're older. You should know better because they were in the ABA. They were a blue blood program.

No, you just said it wasn't bad. It's not the NBA. The NBA was not the NBA. And I understand. I do know my history here. This is the best Pacers team there's ever been. But the other one won three championships. But this one would drag all three of those. All three of those. They wouldn't even know what to do with Halliburton shooting from out there. Why? Because modern science? Because they were throwing it into a peach basket. That's why. Okay.

They were shooting granny style and throwing chest passes and bounce passes. And there were no t-shirt cannons or anything else. No music. Overrated. What? That's not what I'm saying. He just proved the legacy of the Iceman. I said no such thing. I did not say that Dr. J was overrated. I would never. You're disparaging his league.

I am disparaging the ABA as a lesser quality basketball to the NBA. But when those guys entered the league, when those teams entered the league, they performed admirably. That is correct. But the NBA is the best of the best, and the ABA was some of the best of the best. You know, Buffalo Bills fans still look pretty fondly at those AFL championships. Last ones they ever won. Find me somebody who was on that Indiana team who had a second job as a plumber.

Please find me the player on the Indiana championship ABA team. Just find me a roster, a name of somebody who had a second job in the offseason. They'd have a job forever. As a plumber? He foresaw AI coming.

It is good life advice from the godfather of AI. If you want to have a future career, become a plumber. Give me like 10 options. Can you give me like 10 options? Who's the godfather of AI? That's a person? That is a person, yes. What is the godfather of AI's name? We'll get him on. Billy, it's always great when you don't do any of the prep and ask me a question I don't have the answer for. You haven't spoken for 10 minutes and now you ask me something that I don't have the answer to. Thank you. Bobby. Bobby.

Thank you. Bobby. Jeffrey Hinton, it looks like, might be his name. Does that ring a bell? Bobby. Thank you. Roger Brown was employed at General Motors in Dayton.

That's the guy right there. That's the godfather of A. No, it's not. Yes, that is the godfather of A right there. Respectfully looks like a kook. The first name that you said, though, what is his name? Jeffrey Hinton. Yeah, I think that's him. 77. Oh, Roger Brown was a player on the Pacers that had a second job, just to clarify. So he did not invent AI. No, no, no. He worked for GM. GM!

Does the Godfather of AI mean that, like, Geoffrey Hinton's friends really created AI and they trusted him so much with caretaking AI that they named him the Godfather of AI? Because if you invented AI, you'd be the father of AI, would you not? Their main broadcaster was a teacher. Sometimes you're not that close with your Godfather. It's like friends with your parents, and then it's just like, yeah, I don't really, I don't see him a lot.

Who's my godfather, Dan? It's a very hyperbolic decision. I don't even know who my godfather is. Do you have one? You tell me. Oh, my God. You would know. Is it like Uncle Dick or something? It could be. I don't know. You don't know either. See what I'm saying about godfathers? I'm the godfather to two goddaughters. Roy's offended by everything that's happening right now. Isn't Chris's godfather the guy that sent him to your right? I don't know. If Dan's my godfather, I'm just learning this. I don't know.

I am the one that picks. Let me ask my wife. Hang on. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Wait, wait. Are you bothered? Yeah.

I cannot go. Just, Mike, please give me some more information. You're telling me that Greg Cody and others are now making the argument that there's an Indiana basketball team that is better than this year's Pacers, and one of their players also had a second job working for General Motors. That's true. Like, he would clock in. He would clock in.

Don't act like it's that foolish. Ron Artest had a second job when he was playing. There you go. Suka City. He didn't have the second job. He applied for the discount. He never actually went to work there. What did he do? Well, he wasn't super responsible. I know I'm doing the same thing I just accused Billy of doing by asking you follow-up questions on this, but I would love to know what a job at General Motors looked like back then, because I now have somebody in England.

a basketball uniform showing up for work with a construction pail checking in for work and doing something on the factory line. Yeah, there's definitely like a clock in, clock out situation, which isn't all that antiquated. I remember when Murph was running 790, I had to do that. Yeah.

That was the beginning of our careers. Put that on the poll at Levitard Show. Did you ever have to clock in and clock out at work? Did you have a physical punch or you did it on a computer? No, it was a physical punch. It was a puncher. It had a stamp on it. Yeah. And you would get that card that Murph said we had to have because he was paying people too much overtime. And he stopped taking people at their word. And then you would go to Steve White's desk and you would clock in. Probably.

And he would clock out. Would you stamp it and then go outside and fool around for a while? Like just check in to show that you were working? No, I was all about the work. Or would you immediately get to work? No, I was all about the work. I would want, not surprising, I would take like a really long lunch. I would be clocked in the whole time and then come back from lunch and then clock out for like 20 minutes. Greg, are we interrupting you? I'm texting my wife. Who are the godparents of our kids? It's important.

I'm gonna bet it's Aunt Bonnie and Uncle Dick. That's what I'm gonna bet those are my godparents. Don't you have one of each though? I just said two people. But you and Michael, I mean. I'm talking about me.

I'm saying mine would be Uncle Dick and Aunt Bonnie, and then Michael would have maybe the same. It means a lot to you spiritually, huh, as a family? Sometimes you split it up, right? Each parent gets to choose one sometimes, yeah. Just in case, heaven forbid, there's a horrible accident where your godmother and godfather are together, then you lose both of them. Just washed over me. I don't know my godfather or godmother. See? I've never been asked to be a godfather. I'm not crazy. I know I had them, but...

I don't have them anymore. My godmother might come in handy at this point. Would. And also, they exist to take care of you after your parents died. Whoever did this dropped the ball. Because his mom's dead, Billy. That's why I said that. Thank you.

I thought you were going to look at me and say, Padrino? Padrino, mi padrino, papa. The godfather of AI. Billy, just out of curiosity, because I am forever fascinated by how your mind works, was there any point to asking me what his name was other than something? I'm just curious. I don't know.

I don't know if this is a no. You keep saying this nickname, the godfather of AI. Like if he's the godfather of soul, you know? Like I don't know if this is a known thing. So I'm curious who the godfather of AI is. Jeffrey Hinton. Dad, what would you be the godfather of? Reptilian talon feet. Oh, that's strong.

Beer drinkers. He's got the feet of a bird of prey. Thank you. It's not really complimenting. It's the best thing that's ever been said about me. They're not human feet. They're feet that you would disembowel like an ostrich with. You know the background of my feet. That you've not taken care of them and have walked around in boat shoes without socks for 20 years in the same boat shoes? No, that I used to be a foot model, but I have let my great toenails...

We're a little wild. I'm going to get you. We're going to go get a pedicure and make content of it and just get the reaction of the. I ain't getting no pedicure. Let's go.

Take them off, Roy. Look up at the screen, Roy. Those are beautiful feet. Come on, Roy. Look at them. But those toenails have gotten worse over the last few years. We have not had a bigger achievement in this show's history than have thousands of people lined up to see one of those cut toenails from Stugatz. Sexy feet. Stugatz has twice cut the feet of the toenails of Greg Cody. I just asked ChatGPT who it's...

Godfather is. And while it acknowledged that Jeffrey Hinton is part of a triumvirate of people, it also gave credit to Jan LeCun and Joshua

Benjio. Wow. Look at these feet right here and tell me that these are not Nosferatu's feet right here. These are Nosferatu's feet. If I told you right now that that's the beginning of the levitation that the devil does as it goes from demon to its most evil. That's the raptor. Did you just snort at laughter? You snorted. People need to see these feet. Am I wrong? These feet are from another time. They're ancient fossils. It's like a half man, half werewolf foot. It is more than a half man.

than a half werewolf they do look like dinosaur feet it's it is half dinosaur quarter werewolf no lotion no lotion please lotion imagine a werewolf with alopecia how do you not know how to take care of yourself i've survived this long yeah but you've survived but you've survived with the feet of the devil with no sunscreen in florida

That's the wildest thing he admitted today in South Florida. It was a great Greg Cody shirt Tuesday. I would imagine that nobody's put on less sunscreen that lives in either Miami or Broward than you. Okay, and to make it clear, I'm not bragging. People should use sunscreen. You are the Michael Jordan of not using sunscreen. Thanks. Thank you. Oh, that means a lot.

And something else for my tombstone. Do you think that Barkoff is ever going to get this cheer off the ground? Is it ever going to work? Thank you. I know, it just didn't fly. Thank you. Howdy, folks. It's Mike Ryan. Now, if you've been listening to the show a lot lately, you've heard so much playoff talk. Playoff hoops down here in South Florida were especially enamored with playoff hockey. It's not just limited to the playoffs. Motorsports, tennis, golf. It's truly one of the best times ever.

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