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Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about DraftKings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings, the crown is yours. What it do? This is not a good start. It's a great start. No, it's not. Wait, slow down. Slow down. Nope, nope. We don't have to start there. We don't have to start there. I...

Before I came down here, there was a few weeks ago, I guess, or months ago maybe, there was a segment on this show that made me sad. And I was determined to help rectify this for the members of the show. First of all, play...

The little portion that upset me. I went in the margins. I'm like, your money ball sucks. I'm basically Scott Hattieber for f***ing. A lot of walks, but I'm on base. Other dudes, they can be Giambi. You know your role you play well? I know my role. So, I was disappointed. Like, every now and then, you got to put up some numbers. Like, I'm not saying that you got to be Jordan, but I believe that everybody...

Gotta have an impressive game every now and then. So I have arranged for us later in the show, and I think this is a service to all of us here and a service to our listeners. I've arranged for a sex educator to come and help us get better. We got to work on our game. Every offseason, add something to your game.

Well, you look nervous, David. I am so excited. Can I get a private tutorial? Cancel it. Cancel it. Cancel it. We'll get to that eventually. I wanted to make sure that everyone knew. Let's listen because I think that people could benefit from this. That's not what I'm talking about.

I have no problem with your sex therapist coming in and I guess literally... It's his specific sex therapist? Nah. I don't know who it is. I'm a little in the dark today. Nah, it's not mine. I don't need no help. Well, you're in Stu's chair. I'm a natural. You're playing the part. Can we take people... LeBron James at his shit. Can we take people behind the curtain of what's actually happening here? Dominique's trying to host a show from the big chair. He's trying to be the Dan. And I'm in the Stu chair. And David's in the Greg chair.

And the tension before we started was legitimately uncomfortable. It was. We've had a great week, guys. Great week. We ended yesterday. If you haven't watched, listened to yesterday's show, the vibes were as high as I think they've been. I don't know. You guys behind the glass? Chris Cody, Billy Gill, Charlie Kravitz, Juju Gotti. Boy, look at their excitement. Yeah.

Yesterday, I thought it felt like being on what I imagine a team, a sports team might be like. Or a debate team. After a big debate. Have you never been on a sports team, Pablo? Varsity debate, yeah. So no.

That is a speed. That's a sports team. No, it's not. Debate. It's a team. Let's not play that game. Thank you, David. It really is a team. Oh, no. Is it a team? It's a team. But is it a sport? No, it's not a sport. It's different. He said sports team. We're getting off track. Okay. Yeah, let's get focused. David hates Dominique. So, so deeply. I gathered that on Monday, though. No, the thing is, the awesome thing about David and why I've thoroughly enjoyed working with him is

Anytime I've worked with him is the thing, the title of his show. Most of the time, I think he really believes in. I don't think he takes any of this personally until now.

I'm not taking this personally. This is just you trying to peacock where the three of us were asked to be here, and there are three chairs. There's a rotation that is a normal rotation. Pablo, day one. Dominique, day two. And it was me in that chair day three. I'm not talking about this because I'm not going to—

demean our audience by thinking that this is worthy of talking about, but you and your desire to be in charge when we are equals, this is how teams lose, is the way you're at. But this is the playoffs. Jeremy just made a great analogy back here that you'll understand. This is like in the playoffs, you're the number four pitcher and we're skipping your start and we're going...

Wow. You're not even Brad Penny. It's just a good analogy. This is a big moment. I would have used a different analogy. You don't need it. Where are you going? This isn't a strong start.

Should I not have run with that analogy? Damn, that was a good analogy. So welcome to today's Everything Personal with David Sampson. It's an awesome show. It used to be called Nothing Personal, but now apparently it takes everything personally. So I would have used a different analogy. I think that I would have thought of us more like a basketball team. You're welcome back. Like a basketball team or a football team. So let's stick with the basketball analogy.

David, great player. Were you about to demean your own position that you actually played in the NFL by appointing yourself a quarterback? No. You're so smart. That's why you're casting him to 18. Like a cornerback, I saw that coming a mile away. So there are different positions.

And right now, just because you're the point guard does not mean that you're the best player. And I want David to know that I believe. Are you going Kyrie Irving, Brooklyn Nets era? We're all coaches right now. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that they're different. Positionless basketball. I'm being completely honest. Like the jokes aside.

I think that different people have different assets. And I think the best role for David is where he is, saying inflammatory things that make me look good. The best role for Pablo, honestly, I think Pablo is the best host of all of us. So why am I not in there? Fair point. Pablo.

There's no way that you guys are doing this. It seems unfair today. This is unintentional. Earn, not given. Do your thing. Show how good you are, Pablo. I can't wait. I can't wait. Hold the shit out of this show. Hello?

David, I have a question for you. How was this trip pitched to you? Because, like, I was sitting in Chris's seat on Monday, and I came in and had to kind of figure out who's sitting where, and I just asked you guys, like, who wants to sit where, and the decisions were kind of made. And you were hosting your show at the time, so I didn't really think much of it, but were you told you were hosting? Like, what was told to you guys when you guys were booked to come down here? That we were coming down, the three of us, to do four shows, and then they're bailing, and...

and that it's just me on Friday. - Wow. You can sit there on Friday, dude. - I'm not sitting, I'll tell you right now, Chris, you guys can have fun Friday. They're bailing, I agreed to stay the entire week, I'm sitting right in this damn chair. - Wow. - I wanna know, I wanna turn the camera around to you guys. How does this work? How do you guys and your seating arrangement, how does that work? 'Cause Juju is sitting like in the back. Juju's in the bleachers right now. He's not even near a microphone. I think he is listening.

But he has, of course, he has shades on, but it's confusing. I hate this chair more than any chair in this entire studio. But we have a guest, so I'm going to let Charlie sit where I love to sit and Billy sits where I love to sit also. But this is the blackest chair. I think black people sit in the back today, so I'm just following y'all rules. Oh, man. I mean, well. Hold on. Comment, Charlie? I try to sit as close to Billy as possible. He's my buddy. Two is in the front row.

Oh, God. Can we talk about why... I hate photoshopping. I can't stand it because I don't know what's real and what's not. You hate it because you texted the show production group chat this morning asking, should we talk about Tua Tungavailoa being in the front row of the Trump rally? And apparently he wasn't. Apparently that was a very easily detectable photoshop. By who? By everyone. Not Clay Travis. He retweeted it. Said, look who's going to be here. Owned.

He retweeted it as though he believed it. Well, I mean, a lot of people believe it. I think it serves its purpose. I mean, I don't know who did the actual Photoshop, but like Tua's going to have to answer questions now about going to a Trump rally he didn't go to. Someone will ask him about that. I think the assumption is he was there because of the photo. To describe the photo, it's not a Photoshopped photo of Tua. It is a placard on a white chair that says Tua Tungabailoa,

And next to that is Eric Trump's placard. Why would that be Barron Trump's seat? Wouldn't you sit in age order? Because I feel like that was an aisle seat. And I would think that the oldest sibling would be on the aisle and that Barron would be more... Barron's like 7'1". He needs the aisle. Oh, so it's a size thing? Also, Q rating. They're like, let's put the best Q rating here towards the end. If you want a sense of how earnestly David Sampson pays attention to who's sitting where, that question...

which was incredibly genuine, kind of says everything. That was a 65-inch take. I do. Juju, we got to write this wrong. Front row, Juju. Front row, baby. Yeah, why do you want to sit front row? Not while I'm here. I didn't realize that you felt... That front row made black people look so black. Roy be looking black. Oh, that's true. Jackal in that seat. Boy, y'all be zooming in, too, but I don't want to sit that close to the goddamn camera. I need some light in my face, goddamn butt. I'm not emotional. I'm just living my life. I love being here. I'm happy to be here.

No one likes the front row for whatever reason. That chair, the seat that we see front row right. That was a magical rant. Because it's true. If you looked at how, I don't know how Roy has been shot lately when it comes to lighting, but I remember being here last year and being like, we are not doing Roy Belly any favors. Hold on. I need some light on my face, god damn it. It's the best line I've heard all day.

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The Tua stuff is interesting, but I've also, I know you haven't, you were doing work this morning, and David, I think you were discussing the Mike Gundy topic on your show this morning. Your show, Everything Personal with David Sampson. You can download it, rate, review it anywhere you want. But we got some sound from Mike Gundy. I haven't seen it yet. You understand that Mike Gundy's... You don't know anything that's going on with Mike Gundy? Give some context before. All I see right now is a still screenshot of Mike Gundy, and he looks just...

As an entity, ridiculous. But to be fair, a still shot when you're in the middle of a video, you can catch people blinking. I mean, you can find any still shot. It's not his facial expression, David. It's just Mike Gundy looking like Mike Gundy. Does he have a high and tight mullet? Yes, he does. Jesus. So the story is that he has an All-American player named Ollie Gordon II, and there's alcohol, drunk driving involved, and it turns out that you'd think there'd be a punishment. Right.

But it turns out that in his mind, the punishment would only be, we're going to play him more, not less. And he was serious, but that's not the worst part about what happened with Mike Gundy. So I looked it up on my phone. What would be the legal limit? Like in Oklahoma, it's .08 and Ollie was .1. So I looked it up and it was .10.

based on body weight, not to get into the legal side of it, but I thought really two or three beers or four. I'm not justifying what Ollie did. I'm telling you what decision I made. Well, I thought I've probably done that a thousand times in my life. And, and I, you know, it's just fine. So I got lucky. People get lucky. Ollie made a, um, a decision that he wished he could have done better. But when I talked to Ollie, I told him, I said, you're lucky you got out light because you make a lot of money.

I'm incensed. Because he then tried to cover it up. He got in trouble. His PR department and the AT. You got in trouble for that? What was wrong with that? The claim was, no, no, I didn't say I was drunk driving a thousand times. I said I've made a thousand bad decisions in my life. Except that's a dangling modifier. He said he got lucky, meaning he got lucky he didn't get banged for drunk driving. We have another clip.

He's going to play and I'm going to do what I think, what we think is best for Oklahoma State football and I think it's best for Ollie to play. If there's any punishment, it's make him carry the ball 50 times in the first game.

Is that the police coming for Mike Gundy? It should be the AD coming for his job because he would not survive this if I'm the AD of Oklahoma State. I mean, you've said that you're incensed and you're upset, but you haven't explained specifically what about it. He's got a responsibility. He's got a responsibility to lead men, to lead young men, whether they're employees, whether they're making money with NIL, whatever age they are, he has a responsibility. He is the face of a university. The football coach is the face.

and what he is saying. And four days ago, was it four days ago? Can we pause for a second to acknowledge that I believe the audience should be

aware of what has been happening, which is that there is a giant fire alarm. It happens all the time. Okay, very good. So we're not going to die? No. Okay, proceed. It's a very Boy Who Cried Wolf situation here where the big one's coming at some point, but no one's ever concerned because it's a daily occurrence. And so when they say in your ear, if you're going to be in that chair, when they say ignore the alarm and keep going, what that means is you don't need to talk about it on the show. Yeah, not sure I agree with that as the host of the show. Okay.

I believe in you, Chris. Thank you, David. At what point does the... So Mike Gundy deserves to obviously be criticized for this ridiculous take, but at what point does... Is it a take? This is what bothered me about it. It's not like a Stephen A. Smith take. In his mind, what he was saying is, hey, we all drink and drive, and four days ago, what's the name of the Minnesota Vikings player? I believe he just died and got killed by a drunk driver four days ago.

So the point that I'm making is I think it goes higher than Mike Gundy. Mike Gundy is not new to this type of nonsense. We were doing a little reading about Mike Gundy's past this morning, and he allegedly is responsible for a lot of, I guess,

Recruiting violations is one thing that he's been alleged of, but that's not as awful as some of the things that he's been accused of as far as interviewing the Orange Hostesses, which are the women who are there to welcome the recruits and arranging for them to have a good time with some of the recruits. Allegedly. I said allegedly twice. Oh, you got nervous, get a third allegedly? I'm tied to you. Ever since Juju called out Kravitz, he's been a little jumpy. Oh, Juju.

Allegedly. Well, I did not say one word to Charlie Kravitz today. I didn't call Charlie out. Charlie deserves to sit by his friend, Billy. I mean, it would make sense if Billy sat his ass up there so Charlie would follow his ass up there. I've been in this seat for 14 years. You see what I'm saying? Look what you just did to me. Now Billy mad at me. All right.

I blame Pablo. This is all Pablo's fault. I just was sitting down, minding my business. You done bought me into this? That's messed up, Pablo. I apologize. Would David have done this if David was in that seat? Absolutely not. And you'll find that out on Friday. Well, Friday you're going to be in that seat, you said. Yeah, I've changed my mind. Now that I see what's happening here, we need a captain.

There needs to be a leader of men. And Mike Gundy is not that leader. You're talking about things that he allegedly did. This is not alleged. This is his, unless it's a Photoshopped. I've seen that on the internet recently. Oh, like deep fakes? Where people are pretending they're talking, but it's not.

them talking? Pretty sure this isn't that. So this is him. So he really did say this? He released a statement afterwards. So yeah, this is a real thing and this is really how he feels. I think the concerning part is you're right. The leadership of men situation is like a cliche, but I get the point. It is about the example that you set. And to be fair,

I don't want to get up here and get all grandstanding, um, holier than thou and act like I haven't been a part of teams where it is understood that we say certain things, uh,

behind or when there are no cameras and then we say certain things to the camera. The shocking thing to me is not that Mike Gundy feels or says the things that he says. The shocking thing to me is that he's been a coach since, remember I'm a man, I'm 40, that was like 15 years ago. He's 56 now. The shocking thing is I'm a man, I'm 56, I've been a head coach of a major college football program for this long and you put a mic in front of my face and I'm still stupid?

So we're on the same page because what goes on, and people have called me hypocritical because of this, but what goes on when you're running a team is that I'm going to move right past that, too. Who said that? I want to fight him. Call my dog a hypocrite.

Do you have a dog? So here's my issue. We're going to have. Can we have a running list? Can we get another journal note for David? Yes, Dominique. No, no, no, no. All right, go ahead. I'm sorry. I think that we, I love that we are jocular, but this is not to me. This was not a jocular moment. And I took it seriously. I'm not the person. I'll take it seriously here in front of people. There are different things that go on when there's no cameras in a clubhouse. There are. And we've acknowledged that.

But this is so irresponsible that you cannot and should not be able to come back from that by claiming you were talking about something else, which is what everyone does when they're caught. No, no, you misunderstood me. Or no, no, I'm a sex addict. Or no, no, I need rehab for whatever when I get caught. This is him making it okay. He is making the behavior okay, and it's just not okay. Talk to Kyrie Jackson's family. It's just not okay.

But nobody expects anything to actually happen here. Or do you? Do you think that this is a Rubicon for Mike Gundy? This is finally the thing? If Ali Gordon were a worse player, I don't think Mike Gundy survives it. But I think that Ali Gordon... No, I mean, if Ali Gordon was a worse player, I don't think Ali Gordon survives it.

And so there would be no uproar for Mike Gundy. The only reason why he's getting 50 carries is not to be a punishment to Ali Gordon. It's because you're getting 50 carries because, and he said it in that statement. He said, we're going to do what's best for Oklahoma State. That was the first thing he said before he said anything about I'm offended or appalled by his actions or we need to make sure that we're raising our men to take responsibility. He said, I do the same shit. Let's get a dub, basically. Let's translate it that way. Let's try to win this Heisman, Ali.

All of this reminds me, David especially, of like how, like what role sometimes the media has to play if we're going to live in a society. Like I immediately, I see this on the internet, I see this now for the first time and I'm like,

We can move past this as an internet, as a people who are online, like within an hour. Like, oh, yeah, my God, he said something stupid. I see people saying stupid things who are employed, who are everywhere all of the time. They may even get elected. The thing about what the media has to do, though, is be the thing that Dominique said he wanted to avoid, which is we have to be the scold.

Like, in the absence of a school that's going to do something, we have to be on some serious level. And we're a show, of course, that wants to be both stupid and smart. We have to do the smart thing of saying, like, we all actually agree that this feels like a boundary we can't take unseriously. Like, this feels, does this feel fireable? Yes to all of us on, like, a moral level. And maybe it's the Lifetime Achievement Award of stupidity.

But it's just like, yeah, I guess that's what the media has to do, which is where the media gets to be campaigned against all of the time. Some things last more than an hour. Some things have legs. And I think that's what Pablo's point is. And so this to me is one of those things. But how do they last more than an hour? You need someone to be like, sorry to break up the jokes, but this is f***ed up. You need a booster.

You need someone – it's like when sponsors walk away from a team because you're associating with a player. You need that. And the sponsors are the boosters. You need someone to come in and say, hey, we don't want to be associated now with this program. But we're also assuming that boosters have this moral high ground that they live on. They just want to be relevant, right? And Oklahoma State –

is not, right? But with the new playoff system, I think they were ranked like 16th last year. Like they're right on the edge of relevancy there. And Ollie Gordon, I think is the best running back in college football. So are they going to risk getting rid of their coach and then maybe not being relevant anymore over these comments? Like they probably won't take that moral stand. He's probably, they're probably going to agree with Gundy that they should do what's best for Oklahoma state and give him 50 carries.

Maybe that is a punishment. Does he normally get, do we know how many his average carries are? What if his average carries are only 20 and he really does view 50 as a punishment because he'd be all tired? The, I think that this is. His high was 34 in a game last year. So I guess that's a punishment. He's going to have to work harder. Part of the challenge is, I think, with being like an intelligent player,

Modern person is that you are capable of rationalizing anything is I could understand. And depending on your perspective and where you are in this situation, I could understand how someone in that school would say that, OK, Ali did something stupid.

But Ali is so important to everything that we are doing here. We're not going to punish everyone else by punishing Ali for doing something stupid. And I also could understand them coming to that same rationale. I'm not saying it's right. And I think Pablo's right to call me, frankly, personally to the carpet and saying that I'm like pointing out that I understand that these things are said and we've seen before the differences that he's saying publicly. I'm completely comfortable with that. But I think part of it also is like what?

and this is just being completely honest it's not a defense but i feel like what is actually going to happen because i know how this works and because he said this does not mean that this is that people are going to behave any differently i think that a lot of college football coaches and i've played college football and professional football the point is we need to go win games and anything that gets in the way of that is going to be a problem now if

If we create a big enough stink or if the media creates a big enough stink around this Oli Gordon thing, then that gets in the way of them making money. It gets in the way of sponsorships. It gets to the point where people aren't buying tickets, where people are choosing not to go there because of it or it's distracting their players. Then there's a reaction to it. So I guess that's... Dominique, did you really need to do mental gymnastics to go pro player on this story? Out of nowhere? Yeah, it's sort of f***ed up. You shouldn't have done that. Is that the way simpler take?

Thanks, Charlie. Damn. I'm not going to say the trend I'm noticing with who Charlie is at war with today. Their first game is also against South Dakota State. So you could be like, you know what, Ollie, you're not playing the first game. But South Dakota State was undefeated last year. It's the Harbaugh-Michigan plan.

suspend him for the games early that don't matter and say now everything's okay. The problem with that is he's a Heisman candidate, and winning a Heisman trophy means a lot more to the institution than, like it can change the way that they're going. And the Heisman is a lot based on the statistics. And so you are missing a game where you could possibly get three touchdowns and 250 yards. That's going to change your Heisman possibilities. What you're saying is that Ali Gordon is no fourth starter.

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This is the Dan Levitas show with the Stugats. So on the list of stories that I feel like, oh, wow. I was looking at the drag. I'm distracted. That's a preview that no one can see. Very good. So speaking of things that I have never seen before,

We are off to a rough start. You shouldn't switch seats. Guys, guys. I miss you, Dominique. I miss you, man. I don't like the dynamic that's forming around me. Speaking of things that Pablo hasn't seen,

There's this kid who's 16 years old who's like the biggest celebrity in the world and he's not an influencer. He's not one of the normal 16 year olds I'm used to suddenly being a thing causing like giant riots because they're streaming in Europe or something like Kai Sinat or Speed or any of these other young people that I'm not gonna pretend that I've known about for a long time. Who wants to explain the kid from Spain? Who wants to explain this story for people who know nothing about this story?

Yamal is a player for Spain who's 16 years old, who last year in the U-17 Euros scored an incredible goal that sort of went viral. We knew he was a soccer prodigy. And yesterday against France, he had been scoreless in the Euros, took one dribble into the center of the field with his left foot and banged home a goal that was unbelievable and tied the game at 1-1. After being called out by the defender who was actually defending him on that play.

So the fact that this kid, that this kid is 16 years old, are we numb to this? Today is going to be a show about asking ourselves, are we numb to this? And this one, I was admittedly kind of numb to it until I saw that photo of Leo Messi on

with this kid who was seven months old. Who was seven months old. When Leo was 20. And Messi scored yesterday in the Copa Semi. So they're calling him like the next Messi because he plays for Barcelona. His parents are, I think his mom is from Equatorial New Guinea or Equatorial Guinea and his dad is from Morocco, but he was born in Spain. And he was at a, it says in this article in The Guardian, it says that 17 years ago,

Messi was holding a baby for a charity calendar. And the baby that he was holding happened to be this kid, the greatest player in Barcelona history. Describe this photo. Look at this. Leo Messi is in... Yeah, you can see this photo. I'm sorry, go ahead. Describe the photo. There's like a plastic blue tub.

And there is a baby, like a straight up, you know. Big baby. It's a baby. Chris Cody said it. It's a big baby. It's a baby, though. And that's the tub where you wash infants. Or you do it in the sink or in that sort of tub. And Leo Messi dressed in a frock-like white, I would say. A greasely white slash sailor's outfit is cleaning this baby.

I think it's interesting, incredibly interesting, because it feels so random. And it sets you up to be able to say that the reason why he is so good is because Messi was the one bathing him. Because the shock is not... Like, touched by God?

What else does this photo imply? He's the best. Like, it's absurd. What other photo exists like this? It's like he's baptizing this kid. We spent most of yesterday talking about how incredible Cooper Flagg was for playing well in an exhibition game. This kid is 17 years old, balling out in the Euros. 16 years old, balling in the Euros, and also in Spanish football. We're six months away from LeBron pretending he did this to Cooper Flagg.

And Dominique, I think that this show is live, but if you had thought the show was coming out next week, he does turn 17 Saturday. And I think that's what my teammate meant. That is very good hosting by you, David. Is it? On opposite day. So I've gotten used to seeing pictures of young people

stars with like LeBron. You see that all the time because those guys are like the best players in their age group. So you go and take that picture where it's like, all right, like Jason Tatum with LeBron. But the idea that they did it when he was an infant to me is incredible. Are we saying that he was an actor? I misunderstood. I thought it was part of a promotional thing. I believe so. That he was, this was a photo shoot. Yeah.

And it had nothing to do with soccer at all. This was an advertisement for Johnson & Johnson baby wash. I missed that part. I don't think it was an advertisement. I think it says a charity calendar shoot. We can get some more information. You know who the person I want to find out about who wasn't in this photo? Leo Messi's wife.

I just want to point out that that was a joke for Chris and Billy and Charlie and Jeremy. And I want to apologize to Juju again. I want no part of that. Because Juju, that was not... Juju, I'm with you. I have no idea what just happened. We were giving him crap for using an opposite day joke. And then we said, you need to do a not joke next. And then I said, after you do the not joke, you need to hit him with a my wife joke.

- But we missed the not joke. - We did, we skipped to the one. - One of the things that I don't love is all of the private conversations that go on during a show. - Producing. - Because it reminds me a bit of high school or grade school where you feel like you're missing something and we're trying to be a cohesive team, yet there's constant buttons being pressed and things being said and I'm in a buttonless seat.

for the third day in a row. - Yet we're all pushing your buttons. - I can't, it's not that hard. You know me for two decades, you know exactly where they reside. So I had a solution to this. - We're doing that segment later, David. - What do you think about not being able to work as a professional athlete anywhere in the world at a uniform age of 17?

You want to have a legal age limit. A legal age limit so there's no moving. So in baseball, I see your brow is furrowed and Jesse's good. You look great. I believe that there are people who move around to try to get into a different school or try to do something to become draft eligible, to try to skirt the rules, including moving to different countries, different cities. What if you just made it uniform?

First certificate, 17, then you can go ahead and be a professional athlete.

Well, I mean, my immediate assumption is the world is not uniform. So like sometimes moving gets you better access to training and support and financial resources that if you are an incredible soccer player in a Brazilian favela, if you happen to have that skill and that gets you to Spain where your family can get access to more resources, then I think having a uniform age actually hurts the athlete because I assume, knowing what I know about you, that the reason why you're instituting this rule is to protect

The young athlete right I'm making it so this one just hit me differently thinking about my kids at 16 thinking about me at 16 thinking about the Platform that he's on the the scrutiny that he's under yes He scored a goal But as we pointed out he hadn't scored in the euros the whole time where people get it What if he didn't score and the team lost I mean there's so many things that the pressure. He's a kid I

16 is, even though he turned 17 Saturday, even, he's a child. 17's not a child, I mean. So at some point we have to choose. So we choose 21 to drink, we choose 18 to vote, we choose 16 to drive in certain places, but 18 to drive in other places. Do you feel this way about actors? I love where your head's at, so I gave that a lot of thought. And no, I don't.

Because in order to have a family portrayed on the screen or in a movie, you have to have children. Now, you can go back to Shakespeare where all the men played women. And because they didn't allow women, so you could have Brad Williams play every part of a child. I just... You have thought about this. I have. Can we slow it down a little bit? It appears that originally...

that you're looking to protect the young athlete, but you're looking to protect them until it gets in the way of something that you like. So like you're-- - No, I love soccer. - No, I understand, but you're saying that it's still not okay for child actors.

But how are we going to portray families on TV? Go ahead and expose them to this. But soccer players, it's fine. Because we can portray a professional team without a 16-year-old. Seemed like Spain really needed this kid. Seemed like the nation of Spain really needed this 16-year-old. My point is, if you're standing on a moral ground to say that this is about protecting these young kids. It's not moral, Dominique. It's just felt wrong. Forget moral. It's about defending them emotionally.

Protecting them. It seems odd to me that you want to protect them until it means, oh, now a movie's going to be weird. So we could expose these kids to things that are much more dangerous because we've seen child actors have a lot tougher lives post more than child stars or child sports stars. But there would be plenty of more roles for. Brad. Again? Brad. You said Brad Williams. Oh, I did say Brad. That's why you're so late. That's why I brought it back. Brad. Brad.

I think there's a difference. You've been in a clubhouse. You've been a player in a clubhouse. Children, imagine a 16-year-old on your football team. Oh, yeah. I get what you're saying, but I would say the same thing is true for many kids in acting. Like they get into drugs and sex and drinking and parties and things that are much more. I think probably the rule that you should institute is that there is some sort of protection for them, not that you just ban them. Well, they have that in acting, and it just doesn't work.

And I don't know. I know that we didn't have babysitters for our young players. And, you know, Josh Hamilton had a babysitter because of his past. But we let young players come up, and it must be in the NFL, too. No. There's no babysitter for a 22-year-old. No, but I mean, yeah, they're 22, though. They're not 16. What's the youngest player you ever played with? Probably 21, 20, something like that. So you did have underage. Well, you have to be three years removed from high school. Under drinking age. Under drinking age. Yeah. Yeah.

There was some kids who had matriculated through grade school earlier and got to the league, but it's a rarity. Most of the time, you're 21, 22 years old when you get to the NFL. So it's a different situation. There's a parallel argument, though, that on the team side I have heard executives make. Michael Jordan actually made this argument as an owner of the Wizards because he was against letting kids go from high school to the NBA. And part of the reason was actually when you get into the—

The lottery of, I guess in the draft lottery, a literal sense, but also which of these kids is going to be good as a pro, it's just really, really hard. It's a symptom of the child actor phenomenon. You can have somebody who is good in spots as a kid, but can you actually project out with such little data who's going to be worth investing millions in? And so Michael Jordan...

Again, Kwame Brown, Michael Jordan, that guy was like, we need to protect owners from themselves because the temptation is going to be we want to all be baptizing the next baby and win the lottery. Isn't that just because Michael Jordan took Kwame Brown over Pagasol? Yeah.

Pretty much. But I mean, I think it ties back to our Bronte conversation a little bit in that when you are in the professional ranks, and I guess European football is different because they have a process to help their players develop, but when you're in the professional ranks, we

we don't really have as much time for player development. So I think that it's risky sometimes, and you can change the trajectory of your career if you move on to the next step before you're ready to. I know some players who are really talented but young, they might move up into higher levels of basketball, but they're still small. And so then their shot becomes a little deformed because they're trying to get it over taller players. So I think all this stuff needs to be weighed into it, but I don't think that the most important thing is that we have movies with kids in them.

I think that we hear more about child stars who have a problem than we hear about young athletes who flame out and their lives. I mean, we hear the Ryan Leafs of the world, but you don't. There's way more. I mean, I would think that's because they aren't famous. So the child star becomes famous and then we hear about their problems because they're famous. The young athlete never becomes famous because they never become good. I think there are lots of stories of athletes who have made poor decisions and gone to wrong places and, you

probably baseball would be the place where what happened a lot where guys were drafted and went into the minors and There's way more it's one of the biggest differences in baseball that I always been jealous of the NFL is we've got this we have our own development and

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