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The Unfolding Genocide in Sudan

2025/6/17
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David Remnick: 苏丹内战是一场被忽视的危机,美国国务院已将其定义为种族灭绝。这场冲突的根源在于苏丹军队与快速支援部队(RSF)之间的权力斗争,导致了针对包括努巴人在内的黑人族群的暴行。这场战争不仅造成了大量人员伤亡和流离失所,还伴随着普遍的性暴力,使得局势更加恶化。国际社会对这场危机的关注不足,使得解决冲突变得更加困难。 Nicholas Niarchos: 我亲身前往苏丹努巴山区,目睹了那里的人道主义惨状。努巴山区对当地人民具有重要的象征意义,他们曾在此避难以抵抗种族灭绝。然而,现在这里涌入了大量难民,他们面临着饥饿、疾病和持续的暴力威胁。冲突的背后是苏丹阿拉伯族群的优越感和对黑人族群的歧视,这导致了RSF等武装力量对平民的残暴行为,包括性暴力。尽管美国试图推动和平进程,但由于冲突各方缺乏诚意,以及国际社会未能采取有效的制裁措施,苏丹的局势依然严峻,未来可能面临更多的流血和苦难。

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The episode opens by highlighting the underreporting of the Sudanese civil war, which the State Department has classified as a genocide. It emphasizes the scale of the conflict, with thousands killed and millions displaced, and mentions the widespread sexual violence perpetrated by soldiers. The discussion then introduces Nicholas Niarchos, the reporter who traveled to a refugee camp in the Nuba Mountains to investigate.
  • Underreporting of the Sudanese civil war
  • State Department classifies conflict as genocide
  • Thousands of civilians killed, millions displaced
  • Widespread sexual violence

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The New Yorker recently published a report from Sudan, headlined “Escape from Khartoum).” The contributor Nicolas Niarchos journeyed for days through a conflict to reach a refugee camp in the Nuba Mountains, where members of the country’s minority Black ethnic groups are seeking safety, but remain imperilled by hunger. The territory is “very significant to the Nuba people,” Niarchos explains to David Remnick. “They feel safe being there because they have managed to resist genocide before by hiding in these mountains. And then you start seeing the children with their distended bellies, and you start hearing the stories of the people who fled.” The civil war pits the Sudanese Army against a militia group called the Rapid Support Forces. Once allies in ousting Sudan’s former President, the Army and the R.S.F. now occupy different parts of the country, destroying infrastructure in the opposing group’s territory, and committing atrocities against civilians: killing, starvation, and widespread, systematic sexual violence. The warring parties are dominated by Sudan’s Arabic-speaking majority, and “there’s this very, very toxic combination of both supremacist ideology,” Niarchos says, and “giving ‘spoils’ to troops instead of paying them.” One of Niarchos’s sources, a man named Wanis, recalls an R.S.F. soldier telling him, “If you go to the Nuba Mountains, we’ll reach you there. You Nuba, we’re supposed to kill you like dogs.”