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What Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Doesn’t Understand About Autism

2025/6/6
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David Remnick: 我认为自闭症发病率的上升令人担忧,并且可能与外部因素有关。小肯尼迪将疫苗导致自闭症的阴谋论带到了政治舞台中心,尽管科学已经证伪。他声称其机构将揭示自闭症的病因,这让医学界震惊。作为一名自闭症女儿的父亲,我想从个人角度来探讨这个问题,因为我女儿的自闭症对她和我们全家都产生了深远的影响,我们一直在努力寻找有效的治疗和支持方法。 Alicia Halliday: 作为一名毒理学背景的科学家,我曾在1999年研究过疫苗是否会导致自闭症。我的一个双胞胎女儿也患有自闭症,但她可以独立生活,并且很聪明。我认为自闭症是一种高度遗传的复杂疾病,在不同的人身上表现不同,可能由数千个基因与多种环境因素相互作用引起。小肯尼迪对自闭症的了解程度很难确定,他的一些说法前后矛盾,并且对自闭症患者做出了概括性的负面描述,这是具有误导性的。我担心人们继续相信疫苗导致自闭症的说法,从而拒绝接种疫苗,并对自闭症的早期发现和干预失去警惕。过分关注单一因素,例如疫苗或霉菌,会导致我们忽视其他重要的影响因素,例如脑细胞连接的差异。

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When Donald Trump made an alliance with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., he brought vaccine skepticism and the debunked link between vaccines and autism into the center of the MAGA agenda. Though the scientific establishment has long disproven that link, as many as one in four Americans today believe that vaccines may cause autism. In April, Kennedy, now the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shocked the medical community and families across the country when he said that his agency would uncover the cause of autism—the subject of decades of research—once and for all. That news came even as Kennedy oversees drastic cuts to critical medical research of all kinds. Dr. Alycia Halladay, the chief science officer of the Autism Science Foundation, talks with David Remnick about the initiative, and the problems with focussing on environmental factors such as vaccines or mold. She also discusses why debunked claims and misinformation have such a powerful hold on parents. “You will do anything to help your child, so if it means a bleach enema”—referring to one extremely poisonous and falsely touted treatment—“and you think that’s going to help them, you’ll do it. It’s not because these people don’t love their children. It’s because they’re desperate.”