Andi Wagner
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I don't want her to be forgotten because she is a human being and she is loved, she is missed. I mean, she has a sister and a brother and a stepsister who miss her dearly. And I don't find that fair that we kind of got pushed to the back of the line because I don't know if it's the habit she kept. I understand there's other missing people out there. Believe me, I do. But she's not just a number.

I think she was trying to get away. It has been one rabbit hole after another with this. I mean, it has just been absolutely crazy.

In early August 2022, 24-year-old Andy Wagner mysteriously vanished from Evansville, Indiana. On August 6th, she visited her grandparents' house for a brief time before heading out. Andy's destination after that time was unknown. Later, she was with a man she knew, and her phone last pinged at his residence on August 7th.

However, the man claimed that Andy left his home either late in the evening of the 6th or in the early morning hours of the 7th, leaving her phone behind at his home.

In the wake of Andy's disappearance, conflicting stories began to emerge about who Andy had been with and when, muddying the details about what may have happened to her and who could be responsible. Despite extensive search efforts, no trace of Andy has ever been found. For a short period of time, Andy's case drew national attention, but it also attracted the involvement of individuals with questionable motives, shifting the focus away from the search for Andy

Over time, Andy's disappearance seems to have taken on a mythical quality in local lore, amplifying rumors and speculation. Nearly two and a half years later, Andy's loved ones continue their tireless pursuit of answers, determined to uncover the truth behind her sudden and unexplained disappearance. I'm Marissa, and from Wondery, this is episode 471 of The Vanished, Andy Wagner's story.

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During Andy Wagner's childhood, her family made frequent moves between Indiana and Texas. Her parents, Eric and Elaine, had two daughters together, Andy and her younger sister, Alex. Though the couple eventually parted ways, their bond with their daughters remained a central part of their lives. Andy's father, Eric, told us about her early years.

I'm sure as all parents say about their kids, she was fun-loving, very outgoing, independent. She was athletic. She played sports, softball, volleyball, just that good all-American kid, really. She was born in Indiana. Growing up, her mother and I, we went back and forth to Texas. She just couldn't stand to be away from home. Every time we would move down there, we would struggle financially, so we would come back to Indiana. It was just a lot easier for us to be here.

After Andy's parents separated, Eric eventually remarried, and Andy gained a stepmother, Tish. Tish came into Andy's life, offering love and support as her family blended. Here's Tish with some of her memories of Andy.

She was fun. She was loving. She played on a softball team. She was a pitcher. She was a great athlete. Her and her sister were very close. She enjoyed being around family. She didn't make straight A's in school, but she did good. She's never been a girl who had a lot of female friends. She's more of a tomboy kind of kid.

Eric recalls that it was during Andy's teenage years when he first noticed a significant shift in her behavior. As Andy's teenage years progressed, those subtle signs quickly spiraled into more serious challenges.

Towards the latter part of her high school years, she started to veer away from the family a little bit. The first part of high school is when she quit playing sports. I mean, that's when the boy came along, but they would come around quite a bit. So I didn't really see the usage there at first. It wasn't until towards the latter part of her high school careers when I noticed things.

Grades went down, attitude changed. She was always just wanting to be with him. She wanted to move in with him, which her mother allowed and I was not okay with. So that's kind of when everything started going south.

This shift marked the beginning of a turbulent period for Andy and her family, one that would bring immense strain and heartbreak. Tish, too, witnessed Andy's transformation firsthand, feeling helpless as she saw the young woman she had come to care for so deeply change in ways she couldn't fully comprehend. Andy, who was once so vibrant and hopeful, seemed to be slipping away, losing her connection to the very relationships and passions that had once been her foundation.

Once she got involved in bad things, she just slowly started to change. Withdrew herself from family and friends and sports. She was still in high school. I think she had tried taking some pills when she was younger, maybe some painkillers.

At the time when they were younger, that was the big thing on the streets was pain medicine. She had a serious boyfriend and he had tried it as well. So she was kind of doing it to hang out with him. One thing led to another.

Andy became deeply involved with a serious boyfriend, and together they struggled with drug addiction. Tragically, in her early 20s, Andy lost her boyfriend to the very addiction that had consumed both of their lives. This loss marked a pivotal turning point in Andy's life.

Mentally, yeah. I guess she took it harder, even though they weren't together when it happened. She took it harder than what I thought she would. I thought she would see it as, okay, here's an opportunity for me to straighten up and clean up. But no, it went the other direction. And she also had another friend. I don't know how close she was to her at the time, but they used to play softball together. She overdosed as well near the same time.

Within months, maybe, of her ex-boyfriend. So she dealt with two overdose deaths. By this point in time, Eric and Tish were now raising a young son together. Andy had grown particularly close to her younger brother. The bond they shared was special. However, as Andy's struggles with addiction deepened, Eric and Tish found themselves facing a painful dilemma. They could no longer allow drugs into their home, knowing it would put their son at risk.

They made the difficult decision to set a firm boundary with Andy, one they never wanted to enforce, but knew they had to for the safety of their family. This tough choice marked yet another turning point, where the family struggled with the pain of maintaining that distance, while desperately hoping that Andy would find the strength to reclaim control of her life.

She was already on in a lot of ways. Her father and I have a 10 year old. He's now 10 years old. When Andy was 16, he was born and her little brother and her shared a very close bond.

So her father and I had told her that if you're going to be messed up or you're going to be on something, you can't be around him. And she was okay with that. She understood. But basically when she would want to sleep it off, I guess you could call it, she would go to her grandparents' house and sleep it off and either have dinner with her sister and her grandparents and then shower and pack a bag and leave, or she would just

text her grandma and say, hey, I'm okay, just to keep in touch or text her dad or I, you know, hey, just saying hi. But a lot of times she would, she would stay at different people's homes.

We would call and invite her to dinner. She wouldn't show up. She wouldn't come. So we kind of knew she would be messed up. Sometimes she'd be fine and she would show up just to see her little brother and me and her father. But there was a lot of times where she didn't. She just was too out there at the time.

Although Eric and Tish were forced to ask Andy to leave their home, their bond with her remained strong. She continued to stay in contact with them and often sought refuge with her grandparents, with whom she shared a deep and loving relationship. Despite the difficult circumstances, Andy's connection to her family remained a constant in her life. The pattern became something everyone could count on. Andy would always turn to those who loved her when she needed something.

Her grandparents provided a steady source of support, but the underlying turmoil in Andy's life was never fully abated. Tish shared that over the years, the family made numerous attempts to help Andy, but nothing ever seemed to have a lasting impact. Andy would inevitably fall back into the same destructive patterns. Each effort felt like a setback, and no matter how hard they tried, they struggled to find the solution that could offer her lasting help.

The repeated disappointments left the family feeling increasingly helpless, as they watched Andy face one challenge after another.

She went through a couple of different rehabs. We would kind of have kind of like an intervention a few times and she would agree to go. She would go for about a week and then she would check herself out and be like, I'm all better. And then another week would go by and she would go back to her old ways. This went on and off for six, seven months. And we finally just realized, we told her, you know, don't do it for us, do it for yourself. And it

It really didn't matter what was said. I guess once you have an addiction that's so bad, it's a disease and you can't really cure it. You can only treat it. She realized that she really couldn't get a handle on it.

Eric and Tish often found themselves in a difficult position. They struggled to navigate how to provide support without contributing to the cycle of addiction. Tish believes that Andy frequently turned to her grandparents for money. Her grandparents, being older, didn't realize that they were unintentionally providing money that was being used for drugs. Their desire to help often blinded them to the reality of the situation.

I know this sounds horrible, but she would always ask her grandma for money. She would tell us for one thing, but it really wasn't for that. Her grandma would give her some money. I think her grandma knew what she was doing with the money. It's just a state of denial, I guess you could call it. Her father and I told her, you know, don't give her any money. You really don't know where it's going.

She would respond with, but I get to see her that way. She had called and asked her father and I for some money. And we were just like, no, we can't because we don't know what you're going to do with it. And she would get mad at us. That's understandable. I didn't want to enable her.

Andy disappeared in early August of 2022, but Tish recalls the last time she saw Andy in July, when it seemed like she might finally be moving in a better direction. At the time, Andy appeared to be making progress. There was a sense of hope that things were starting to turn around for her. Looking back, Tish wishes that shift had been the beginning of a lasting change, instead of the final time she would ever see her stepdaughter before her sudden disappearance.

She'd even called me before and she said, Hey, I have an interview at a restaurant. Would you take me? And I said, Well, absolutely. Just tell me where. Pick you up at and I will take you. And I took her and took her back to the person's house she was staying with. And it happened to be an ex-boyfriend. That was late July. And actually after that, I never saw her again.

On August 6, 2022, Andi stopped by her grandparents' home in Evansville, Indiana. She was only there for a brief visit to collect some of her belongings. At the time, no one could have known that this would be the last time any family members would ever see Andi.

I know she stopped by and when she went in, she went to her room. She had all of her things there and packed a bag of clothes, a backpack full of clothes, and didn't tell anybody what she was doing. She just packed the clothes and left. Noticing things seemed off about her. She didn't act like she was in any trouble or scared of anything. Some people said that they saw her at the gas station right by her grandparents' home.

And then walking away from it back towards her grandparents' home.

And other people have said that she got picked up from her grandparents' home. So that's where the story kind of begins to conflict with everything. Because she would come and go so frequently at times that you never knew if she walked there, if she got dropped off, if someone was waiting for her. Sometimes she'd get dropped off by one car and then get picked up by a different car. No one really, really knows from there. It's kind of a puzzle sometimes.

At the time that Andy went missing, she didn't have a cell phone of her own. But Tish explained that she was using a family member's phone. One of Andy's consistent habits was her responsiveness to her grandmother's messages. She always made a point to stay in touch. So when her usual quick replies suddenly stopped, her family immediately sensed that something was wrong.

She had broken her actual cell phone, and she was using her grandfather's cell phone. And any time that her grandma would text her, she would immediately text her back to let her know she was okay. And when she did not reply to anyone's phone calls or texts, we had the feeling that something was just not right. I had also tried to call her, and on Messenger, there was no response.

So we kind of knew from there something was a little off. On August 12, 2022, after six days with no word from Andy, her family made the difficult decision to report her missing to the Evansville Police Department. She would usually check back in with my mom or her mom every couple days. When a week went by, that's when the red flag started going up in my mom's head. She was like, okay, something's not right. The day that...

We reported her missing. My mom said that she hadn't talked to her about a week prior to the day we reported it. She had never gone a week without communication. So she could have been missing or something happened to her a week before her.

Once the investigation began, authorities discovered that the phone Andy had been using, the one that belonged to her grandfather, had last pinged at the home of a man Andy knew. However, the true nature of her relationship with this individual remains unclear.

She didn't share her location with anyone, but we learned later on that the last ping of the phone was in Newburgh at a house that she had stayed at before. I had one detective tell me it was the 7th. That relationship was kind of very strange to me because this gentleman was married and had a

a teenage son, but she had claimed that she was his girlfriend also at the time and stayed with them. That relationship to her father and I was very strange. It didn't feel right. And I had asked her, I said, does the wife know that you're there, that you stay there and you guys have a relationship? And she said, oh yeah, she's fine with it. And I was like, oh, okay.

Andy's family has been informed that this man said Andy left his home, either very late on August 6th or in the early morning hours of the 7th. However, the phone Andy was using continued to ping at that location until the afternoon of the 7th. This detail was something that Tish found unsettling, as Andy wasn't one to go anywhere without a phone. Tish told us more about what this man said happened that night.

Apparently, he's been interviewed a few times. He said he got tired and went to bed. His wife was still up and his son was still up. He said she got into a car and he said it was very loud and it was very late. And that's the last anyone had ever saw of her. A friend of mine has told me that there was a taped interview of him, but I've never heard a taped interview from the wife with the son. I have never heard from anyone if they have actually been interviewed.

She was known to leave things here and there, but not a phone, especially her grandfather's phone, because she did have a lot of respect for her grandparents. Knowing that her grandpa let her use that phone to keep in contact, I don't think she would leave it behind.

According to this man, Andy left his home in the middle of the night, and he never saw or heard from her again. From that moment, Andy's trail seems to go cold. She became a ghost in her own story, with a few individuals coming forward to say that they saw her in various places. But none of those sightings have added up to a clear, cohesive story, or could even be verified, leaving Andy's disappearance shrouded in uncertainty and mystery.

That's the very strange part. We've had all kinds of people say they saw her walking down the street days later, and those tips have been investigated and they were not her. What is hard for us as a family to fathom is she also wore glasses, her driver's license, her glasses, that bag of clothes. None of that has been located anywhere. Everything is literally just gone.

And people don't just vanish in thin air. There's been a lot of people, mostly males, who have been a person of interest where she used to date or hang out with or stay on their couch. And she talked to so many people. I'm surprised no one has said anything because it's like literally she just disappeared. And she had people that she hung out with in Gibson County.

Spencer County, there's so many different places. Eric has been deeply frustrated by the lack of concrete evidence placing his daughter anywhere after she was at the home of this man, his wife, and teenage son. Every lead they've followed has only seemed to send them in circles. Despite their relentless search for answers, they have yet to uncover a single clue that might point to what truly happened to Andy, leaving her family trapped in a cycle of uncertainty and unanswered questions.

So after talking to law enforcement, a phone that she had pinged in Newburgh. To my understanding and to my parents' knowledge, she was using my father's phone. That phone, we were told, pinged, but haven't gotten the phone back. Now, if she had another phone, I don't know about.

if there was another phone being used. She was put at a party in Oakland City. There's just been speculation up to this point, but no hard evidence.

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Evansville is situated in the southwest corner of Indiana. Evansville has a bit of a troubled history. In 2014, it was named the meth capital of the world, a designation that has haunted the city as local law enforcement and other organizations have fought for years to combat the crisis. The city also struggles with high poverty rates, which contribute to a cycle of hardship for many of its residents.

Unfortunately, Andy seemed to become one of the many young people who were swallowed up by the dark underbelly of Evansville. After Andy vanished, the local rumor mill quickly churned out countless stories, but the people Andy had associated with weren't always the most reliable sources. It became unclear whether their memories of seeing Andy were truly from around the time she went missing, or if those recollections had been distorted by the fog of drug use.

Andy's loved ones grew increasingly concerned that some of these individuals might be intentionally spreading false leads. Tish revealed that after Andy vanished, she was told that in the lead-up to her disappearance, Andy had reached out to her mother, Elaine, in Texas. There was a sense of urgency in Andy's voice, as if something was seriously wrong. She said she needed to get out of town, but the details surrounding that conversation remain unclear, adding more question marks to the mystery of Andy's final days.

It's been said, I would say around the middle of July, she called her mother who was still residing in Texas and told her that she needed her to come get her. It was very urgent. It was either that she owed somebody some money or she was in trouble with some bad people and she needed to get out of here. Her mother had told her, okay, well, give me two weeks and then I'll be up there to get you. Before the two weeks was up, she went missing.

Eric, too, was blindsided by the revelation that something serious had been unfolding in Andy's life, something that made her feel unsafe and driven to leave the area.

It was hard for him to comprehend that Andy, who had always been close to her family, would keep such significant distress hidden. Eric wondered if perhaps Andy was trying to protect her loved ones who live in the Evansville area, not wanting to burden them with the dangers she was facing. When Andy's mother Elaine learned that her daughter had vanished before she could reach Evansville to pick her up, she was devastated. The news left her reeling, and without hesitation she packed up and moved to Indiana to join the search efforts for her daughter.

Eric shared that when he spoke to Elaine after she had arrived in Evansville, it became clear how deeply shaken she was, but also how determined she was to find answers. Yeah, I didn't know that she was trying to get out of Evansville at the time it was happening, just because right before she went missing, she had been in Texas at one point and wasn't getting along very well with her mom because of the issues she was having. And

Her mom told her to get out, and then she ended up coming back here. I would have never suspected she wanted to go down there, but after the fact now, I hear that's what she was trying to do, to get away from some people that she had met that she probably wished she hadn't met.

That's what her mom had told me afterwards. When her mom moved back up here to Indiana after Andy went missing is when she told me, she said, if I would have just listened to Andy when she first asked me to come get her, none of this would have happened. And I said, what do you mean? She said, well, Andy just weeks ago was telling me to come get her. And she told her back.

"Babe or girl, I can't, I'm working right now. I can't leave. Give me a few weeks. I can take some time off and I'll come get you." Andy mentioned that she had met some higher ups, but didn't elaborate on that. She met some higher ups and she needed to get out of town. Those words came from her mother.

This left us asking the question, who was Andy afraid of? There have been countless theories and a lot of speculation, but the truth remains elusive. No one knows for certain what, or who, made Andy feel that she had to leave and seek refuge elsewhere. Elaine, in particular, was overwhelmed with guilt, feeling as though she had failed to be there for Andy, when her daughter needed her the most. When Elaine returned to Evansville, she threw herself into the search for Andy, with

with relentless determination, giving every ounce of energy she had to finding her daughter. Eric noted that there were times when Elaine may have pushed too hard, even sometimes putting herself in dangerous situations in the process. But through it all, her actions were driven by love and an unshakable resolve to bring Andy home, no matter the cost.

It's my understanding she had someone off the streets that was helping her. So she was getting a lot of her information from the streets and often found herself searching places where she shouldn't be. And I tried to stop her from that many times. I was afraid that it was going to be detrimental to the case. She could be walking all over evidence, but she was determined. And I understand that.

I do understand her determination as to why she did that, because that's what parents are supposed to do. You're supposed to look for your kids. But just the reason I never got involved with that is because we never had any hard evidence as to where she might be. If somebody would have told me, Andy is at this location and she's barricaded in this room, trust me, I would have been the first one shooting down the door going to get her. But we were never told that. And

And so she was just basing her information off the streets. But, you know, I'll have to give her credit. She certainly tried.

Elaine frequently documented her search efforts for Andy on social media, sharing raw and emotional videos that reflected the depth of her pain and determination. In these heartfelt clips, she spoke openly about her relentless efforts to find her daughter and the overwhelming sense of helplessness that came with each passing day. Here is a clip of Elaine in her own words, discussing the emotional toll of searching for Andy. So today...

I went on another expedition, another search. A friend of mine took me. We went to Oakland City. I got to tell you, when you go looking for your daughter and you have to look in lakes, a little swamp,

little things. I'm thinking to myself, what did my baby do to deserve this? I've been searching for probably three days, maybe not back to back, but several days. I never thought in my entire life that I would be searching for my daughter in tall grasses and lakes, little rivers. But I just wanted to update you guys on

Of course, I didn't come across anything today, but I'm tired. You guys probably wonder why I do this alone. I don't know. She's my daughter. She's my responsibility. I look in those little trenches, not knowing what I'm going to find. But I'm not giving up.

Every chance I get, I'm going to go look for her. And I'm reaching out to whoever knows something. Reaching to your heart.

and help me find her. She didn't deserve this. She didn't live a perfect life. I know what kind of lifestyle she lived, but she still didn't deserve to be tossed away like she was nobody. And I'm going to continue to search no matter where, no matter how long it takes. I ask God to give me strength because I never know what I'm going to run into. I don't know

What I'm going to see, how I'm going to handle it. A friend took me after we got done, after we were tired and after we were looking. We actually got on the gravel and we prayed right there in the middle of the road. I really, really appreciate her for that.

When someone goes missing, family members often cope with the overwhelming emotions in different ways. Some find it difficult to speak about, while others become outspoken. Believing that speaking out or taking action helps them feel as though they're contributing to the search.

Tish found herself torn between these approaches. She wanted to be out there searching for Andy, but as a parent of other children, she had responsibilities to them as well. At the same time, she grew concerned for Elaine, that in her desperate determination, she might be overextending herself, potentially putting her own life at risk, or inadvertently complicating the investigation.

She was obsessed. All the family is trying to be hands-on with this. But we also have to think about Andy has a younger sister, Alex, who needs our attention. I have a daughter from a previous relationship that needs my attention. Eric and I have a son.

you know, who is not even a teenager yet, and he needs our attention. You can't put every single bit of effort, energy you have into that because it will drive you crazy. And it did. It literally drove her crazy. Many, many, many times law enforcement told her mother, please back off. Please don't go searching anymore. Because if you do come across something that could be like you treading on evidence, she did not.

listen to any of that. I'm a mother and I would probably feel like doing the same thing. But you have to, in a way, let law enforcement do their job because they have planned steps ahead that you have no idea about.

One of the most troubling aspects of Andy's case has been the number of bad actors it seemed to attract. Her loved ones feel that these individuals were drawn to the attention focused on Andy's disappearance, and it seemed like one unsettling encounter after another. Some people appeared in Evansville offering to help search for Andy, only to later exploit vulnerable family members for their own gain. Elaine, in particular, often found herself targeted, as her desperation for help made her an easy mark.

Tish explained that both she and Eric also fell prey to these opportunistic individuals during one of the darkest times in their lives. Instead of finding support, they were left feeling betrayed by those who took advantage of their grief and desperation.

Well, some of those bad sharks that were circling also ended up circling Eric and I as well. We had a lot of problems because of a couple of those people for about six months. We had even planned to move because of this. And that fell through because of a bad apple. I mean, I don't understand how people would take advantage of a family going through something so traumatic.

One of the persons was helping the search with Elaine for about a year. And then they ended up calling my husband's phone. They lied about who they were. And then after about three or four months, that person offered my husband a job working with him. My husband took it. We left the state for my husband to work for about a week. And my husband went down there another six days and came home. And my husband never received any money for that.

We were on the verge of selling our home. It turned into all a big fat lie. I tried to blow up their phone.

with messages, phone calls, they wouldn't answer. I asked my husband, I was like, what did that person get out of this? What was the point of the whole thing? We still don't really understand why that happened. You think you know someone and they tell you their life story and you're like, oh my gosh, this is wonderful. You came just at the right time and everything turns out to be a lie. And you stop and you sit back and you think,

Why would people do that? Why would you pray at a family that's already having a hard time? We're doing our best right now to hold our own, but we shouldn't have to defend ourselves against people who are just praying on us like that because we haven't done anything to anyone.

In December 2023, tragedy struck once again when Andy's mother Elaine passed away. Elaine had made the search for Andy her life's mission, pouring every ounce of her energy into finding her daughter. Some believe that the horrific story surrounding Andy's disappearance, coupled with the weight of the endless uncertainty, became too much for Elaine to bear. Others think that the emotional toll of being targeted and taken advantage of during the search may have contributed to her death.

Tish shared that Andy's disappearance has been an overwhelming burden for the entire family, and each member has struggled in their own way. She believes that for Elaine, the emotional and psychological strain, combined with the deep pain of not knowing what happened to her daughter, ultimately became too much to handle.

This and a few other things, but this was the main contributor. I feel, I think it literally drove her crazy because there wasn't a day that went by that she wasn't on the phone trying to get ahold of someone to get any story out there or trying to make a search. It literally ate her up inside. My husband and I, we look at it. We stopped going to our church for a while because we kind of blamed God. How could you do this? This is not how you take someone who's

from a family. They passed away in a car accident. That's one thing, but this is not okay. What did everybody do to deserve this? So we kind of lost our faith and our hope for a while, but I try to keep us on the bright side. Everything happens for a reason. We just don't know that reason yet. And wherever she is, she knows that we love her and we are never going to stop to search for her. We're always going to be right there. And I have to believe that

that God's with her wherever she is. I told Eric, we should actually write a book over what's happened the past 25 months and no one would probably believe it. Between the fake people and Elaine passing away, Andy, it's been a very uphill roller coaster.

The Wagners have faced immense difficulty in determining who they can trust throughout this painful journey, having been deceived time and time again. In their search for answers, they eventually connected with a local advocate named Sarah, someone who has proven to be a reliable ally. Over time, they came to trust Sarah deeply, finding her to be a steadfast source of support amidst the uncertainty and betrayal they've encountered.

I was very hesitant at first, but her and I text back and forth for a little while. And then once she came over and showed me everything that she has, interviews and notes and videos, I was absolutely floored because the police don't even keep in contact with us as much as she has. I was overjoyed.

with the amount of effort she has put into this. And she told me right up front, she said, I will never stop looking for her for you guys because I understand now that's your child. She knows actually more than we do as parents, which is so

heartbreaking. And there's so many different pieces to this puzzle that it's very complicated and hard to kind of keep up with everything because she didn't quite tell us everything, which that's fine. She's in her 20s. She doesn't have to. But at the same time, when you realize what kind of life she lived and what she was doing behind closed doors, it's not a very proud parent moment.

We also spoke with Sarah, who shared that she became involved early on in the search for Andy and had worked closely with Elaine before her passing. Sarah's commitment to helping the family has been unwavering, and she's become a key figure in the search efforts.

Pretty much as soon as Elaine moved to Evansville, the very beginning, and I was on Facebook. Of course, whenever you see anything local, it catches your eye. And then I started seeing the names of people that were listed as persons of interest, I guess. She was seeing that this person or this person was there and I knew all those people. I'm like, oh my gosh. That's whenever I reached out to Elaine. So

So they just kind of let me join in with them and I became their background person pretty much since the beginning. That's how long I've been working on it. I do know the people around here and they trust me and they talk to me. We had people at the beginning that were doing the searches.

Just bad people. This guy took advantage of Elaine. Tish and Eric, I mean, he really did them dirty. Terrible.

Earlier, Eric mentioned rumors of Andy being seen at a party in Oakland City. In May 2024, search warrants were executed by the Evansville Police Department, Indiana State Police, and the FBI at three properties in Oakland City. Tisch shared that she had heard disturbing details about some of the family members associated with these properties, including their troubling criminal histories.

The news of the raid brought a glimmer of hope to the family. Perhaps the authorities were getting closer to uncovering vital information or evidence that could shed light on what happened to Andy. Due to the nature of those who have been investigated in Andy's disappearance, we have chosen to withhold certain names for the safety of those continuing to search for Andy. Here's Tish.

She had known them over a year, and they are known to be pretty bad people to the community and to themselves. They are in and out of jail a lot, and she liked to party with them. And I heard some people even tell me, those are some bad guys. You don't want to go anywhere near them. They do things and don't even care the consequences.

And when I hear something like that, that immediately gets my wheels turning in my head, because if they're going to do things and not even think about consequences, well, how far will that go? They were definitely looked at as persons of interest. And it took me a good four months to get the DNA results from that, which came up negative. I feel like we're back at square one again. In my book, just because you don't find something doesn't mean you're cleared.

Reflecting on a conversation he had with Elaine, Eric can't help but wonder if the individuals Andy had mentioned to her mother were the same people connected to the properties that were searched in May 2024. Elaine shared that Andy had expressed a sense of urgency when she reached out, asking her mom to come and take her back to Texas. Eric now questions if these people could be the ones Elaine recalled Andy referring to as the higher-ups.

They're still working on their rap sheets to this day. One's in prison and one's in jail. So, I mean, who knows? This could have been the higher ups that she was referring to. Again, I'm speculating, so I don't really know for sure.

There have been tips suggesting that Andy was seen at a party in Oakland City around the time of her disappearance. However, Sarah believes that some of the witnesses may be misremembering the timing of their encounters with Andy, potentially confusing when they actually saw her. The uncertainty surrounding these reports has only added to the difficulty of piecing together the truth of what happened.

The whole Oakland City thing, I'm beginning to think that story is being jumbled up with. She was at a party in Oakland City, but that party I am coming to find out was like a week prior. I'm beginning to think people are getting that party jumbled up the two weekends together. But the people in Oakland City, which are dad and son,

I mean, he's in prison and he's part of the Aryan Brotherhood, which I mean, scary, scary people. And he has admitted to taking Andy at one point in time to her grandparents' house. But it was like in July, the month before she went missing. And they were already in a legal battle.

over something else against each other. And I think they were trying to kind of intertwine this Andy thing. Had to do with the stealing of a trail cam with some incriminating evidence on it of something they did, but it didn't pertain to Andy. They're trying to use it against each other.

got busted for a huge drug thing. And Andy hung out with all of them.

The story surrounding Andy's disappearance and the potential involvement of various individuals just keep piling up, with each new lead adding to the confusion. The searches in Oakland had initially given Tish and the family a glimmer of hope, but when the DNA results came back, they were once again left with no concrete answers. Disappointed but not deterred, they soon caught wind of another lead, one that took them in an entirely new direction.

We received a tip the other day from one of the law enforcement officers that brought a different person into our light. And we were unaware of that. And this person lives 45 minutes from where we live. In one direction, 40 minutes away, you have the case where the property gets raided, but then you come back to where we're at.

And then 45 minutes, the other direction, another person of interest. I feel like we're jumping through a lot of hoops right now. And I wish I could have been a fly on the wall that night to actually know what is happening and what is going on. I don't know if all these people are connected somehow or they just know of one another or if they know each other at all. But it's like a big puzzle that can't be put together.

Another lingering mystery in Andy's case is why she felt the need to leave town in the first place. If someone was truly after her, what had caused them to target Andy? Tish explained that they've heard several different theories about the potential reasons behind this. Some believe Andy may have taken something from someone or owed them money, but the true cause remains unclear.

There's been talk about her taking money, $20,000 to $40,000 from a couple of people. She made a couple of people pretty mad.

She even drained someone's account. It wasn't a large, large sum of money, but we have recently found out that there was an altercation between Andy and this person July before she went missing, and that person had to go to the hospital. So we're wondering if maybe that person was that angry to get revenge because, well, six months prior or so, she had drained their account.

So, what led up to that point? Because once she drained the account, she didn't go back to them. She stayed in real close to here in Evansville. But then in July, the July incident, she must have came in contact with them again on her own. So, we're wondering what transpired after that. The last we heard, they were going to get in touch with that person and have them questioned last weekend, but we don't know where it went from there.

It's a very large mystery to me. If I could take a room and put all of the people she was in contact with in, I would probably have the room overflowed.

But I know people know about this incident, and I know they know what happened. Even with a reward right now for her, $25,000, we can't get anyone to say anything. That's been offered by Kingsman Organization. On the flyers, there is a tip email that you can just email your anonymous tip. You don't have to give your name, your phone number, anything. You can just report something anonymously. And I'm not even sure if anyone's been using it.

Sarah has been told that Andy may have stolen from people in Oakland City, and that could be the motive behind her disappearance. However, with so many conflicting stories circulating, it's hard to separate fact from rumor. In her investigation, Sarah has uncovered a complex web of interconnected individuals, and any one of them could potentially be involved in what happened to Andy. The sheer number of possibilities makes it difficult to pinpoint the truth amidst the chaos.

I have been told by several people, several sources, that she stole a lot of money from these people in Oakland City. And these people in Oakland City, they're going to want their money back. So whether they drove to Newburgh and picked her up, everything is just a circle.

And there was a guy that was running a now rehabilitation center in Evansville, but he was selling drugs out of it. And I mean, I'm talking like the DEA came in and it was drugs and guns and prostitutes that were being sent into the rehab. I mean, huge.

Was found hiding out in one of these houses with another girl. I mean, this was all on the news. It was huge. There were a lot of people involved. Andy went to this rehab with...

A lot of these other people's names that are involved in all this went to this rehab. There was a judge in Evansville that was profiting off of it. Probation officer. Elaine had heard Andy dated this probation officer at one point in time. But Andy was in the middle of all that big circle. So, I mean, she was involved in so, so much stuff that it's like, who knows who could have come picked her up or who could have what?

Sarah isn't 100% convinced that the individuals in Oakland City were the ones Andy was running from, but she firmly believes that someone was after Andy and that Andy was fully aware of the danger. Sarah feels that Andy's fear was real, but the exact cause remains a mystery.

Actually, it was the Wednesday before Elaine died. I had went over to Elaine's apartment and we were talking. I said something to the effect of Andy maybe snitching Elaine very quickly. Andy wasn't a snitch, you know, and I said, no, no, no, I'm not saying she was a snitch.

Not in that sense, but I guess I kind of was, but I was trying to say it nicely. I thought, who's to say she didn't tell somebody something and she needed to hurry and get away? Because I think Andy did more than maybe what her mom thought she knew. But yeah, I definitely think she needed to get away from people. I think she got herself in way too big of a hole than she could get herself out of. I think she knew too much and

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Tish often finds herself circling back to the beginning of the story, the home where Andy was last known to be. She's unsure of what to make of this man's story about Andy leaving late that night. She questions whether he could be involved in Andy's disappearance, or if he's simply too scared to reveal everything he knows, or perhaps he truly knows nothing at all.

Andy's mother and one of her friends actually went over to his home and interviewed him. It's hard for me to, and my husband as well, it's hard for either one of us to look at someone and say, oh, they're totally telling the truth. They had nothing to do with this or they don't know anything about this. When you live in that lifestyle already, you've already made a name for yourself.

Sarah shared that she stopped by this man's house one day with the intention of leaving her card, just hoping that he might reach out to her. Sarah was shocked when he came outside and spoke with her. During their conversation, he provided more details about August 6th, the day he picked up Andy, and mentioned who he thought may have been after her. The information he offered filled in some gaps, but it still left Sarah with more questions than answers.

I think him and her and his wife were kind of like in a throuple because his wife knew what was going on too. And she seemed okay with it, I guess. But I think also, which he, I guess if you want to call it pimp her out, I actually stopped by his house. I,

I was going to leave a card in his mailbox. He happened to come outside to let his dog out. And I wasn't going to let that opportunity pass up. And we stood outside and talked for a while and with his wife. He was very nice. Actually found out some very interesting information from him.

He picked up Andy on the 6th. She called in the morning and he didn't give me a time. She had gotten into an altercation with a guy and needed...

to come pick her up. He did. He went and picked her up. He hadn't spoke to her in two months, he said. And this altercation was actually verified by police. So we knew this altercation actually did take place. And whenever he picked her up, she was mad. And this guy was accusing her of

of stealing some pills. So as she was leaving, she took a pair of tennis shoes from an ex-boyfriend that this guy also lived with. And she was going to sell these tennis shoes to get money. They left. She called a girl to see if she had money. This girl's boyfriend lived next door to her grandparent's house.

So they drove to the house next door to the grandparents' house to get money. And she still had the tennis shoes. This whole tennis shoes thing is a big ordeal. The girl that she was supposed to get some money from was not at her boyfriend's house.

She said, I will be there shortly. So while they were sitting there, she called another guy and he said, I will buy the shoes. So they left, drove over to this other guy's house in Evansville. Once they got there, he only had half the money for the tennis shoes. So she took the tennis shoes back.

They had stopped at the Dollar General store also. They drove back over to the grandparents' house because the girl that she was going to get money from was over at the boyfriend's house beside the grandparents' house. This is where possibly she might have went next door and packed her bag. This is where it's kind of lost in translation of...

Where he doesn't know if that's whenever she might have went next door, grabbed the bag quick because he didn't see her go next door. That's what he said because he was sitting out in the car. He just wasn't even paying attention. Then he got a call from his wife saying,

saying that the two people, the girl and the guy, were at his house in Newburgh angry because they said Andy had stolen a bunch of pills from them. She said, you need to get home because they're mad. And so they left, went back to Newburgh. And whenever they got there, the two people were gone, but they had taken...

Camera, a sword, two pair of shoes, and $92 from his wife's purse. That's what took place of all their stops throughout the day. After that, he went to bed around 10.30 or 11. His wife stayed up for just a little bit. His son was like a teenager, but we're talking like 16, 17 years.

was in his room playing video games or watching TV, but he was in his room. His wife ended up going to bed midnight-ish. Andy had went into his son's room and she said, well, I will be back. I got to go make this bread. I got to go make some money. She left and he didn't see her anymore. That was the end of the story.

Before her passing, Elaine made recordings of conversations with law enforcement and various people from Andy's circle and the community. Sarah mentioned that in one of these recordings, in which Elaine spoke with law enforcement, they corroborated much of this man's story, adding credibility to the details he shared with Sarah. For Sarah, comparing what she was told with what was said by law enforcement was a significant breakthrough, but it also failed to answer the question of what happened to Andy.

I also have a recording of Elaine, and it's a little over an hour long, of Elaine talking with the detectives. And that's what the detectives tell her, that they 100% know she made all those trips with...

On the 6th. They 100% know that picked her up from the houses. They 100% know that she went back to on the 6th and they 100% know that she was alive on the 7th and that her phone pinged around the vicinity of his house on the 7th. They cannot get her phone out.

of the vicinity of his house on the 7th. They can't get her out of there. What they can't wrap their mind around is a girl leaving her phone behind. And I'm thinking, well, possibly she didn't go somewhere willingly. But when I talked to him,

I mean, he didn't give off the vibes that he was completely lying. He never changed his story. I also have a video of when Elaine talked to him. And then whenever I went and talked to him,

He never wavered from anything, which usually, you know, a liar will. He was just very direct. I'm very good with body language. I didn't really pick up anything like that. Now, whether he's telling me the entire truth...

I doubt. I think he knows more than what he's telling me, of course. But what he is telling me, I believe to be true. I think he was either threatened by these people, whoever came and did whatever to her, took her, whatever, probably came in, probably threatened him, his family. And he's not saying, he's not going to tell.

While we can't be certain if the story the man shared with Sarah is the truth, it seemed to be fairly detailed and plausible. As mentioned earlier, Andy had been using her grandfather's cell phone when she vanished, and it was last pinged near this man's home. Sarah shared what she knows about the people Andy reached out to on the evening she vanished, providing key insights into Andy's last known interactions.

These people in Oakland City are in a circle with the people that she called. She makes three, I don't know if they were texts or calls. And here's the thing, told me that he found out the three numbers that were pinged. The police keep saying one was an Uber. She called an Uber. But I guess they told him the numbers. And what I figured out was she was dating a guy named ****.

was an Uber driver. I happen to know, let's say for instance, if you're a DoorDash driver and you use your own phone, because I do a lot of skip tracing, if I were to do a reverse phone search on somebody, it can come up your name or it can come up DoorDash. So she maybe didn't necessarily call an Uber driver. She might've called...

to come pick her up, but it's just coming up as an Uber. I think the police are thinking she called an Uber because they say an Uber never showed up. Well, they're trying to call the Uber company. Well, an Uber driver never showed up as an Uber driver, but that doesn't mean didn't show up. I don't know that he was ever questioned. Let's see. The other number was a guy named...

which was another ex of Andy's. And the other number was another ex. And he is one that used to lock her down in his basement and keep her down there for days. Also told me he one time went and

picked Andy up from his house, got her out of that basement one time. So I don't know if she was calling these people to come pick her up. I know on the 7th, I guess there was an altercation that happened at...

The ones who robbed him the night before, they had come back on the 7th and the police were called. I don't know if she needed to get out of there. So she's just calling whoever to get out of there. Nobody knows if she ever actually left. That's kind of the stumper. They're all claiming they didn't see her anymore. But they're all claiming they didn't see how she left either. And they're saying that this...

stole his camera. So of course, if he stole their camera, they can't see how she left. Andy's family shared that they were told the last activity on the phone Andy was using occurred at 1 p.m. on August 7th. However, the family at the house where Andy had been staying reported that she left in the middle of the night. Sarah remains skeptical that that 1 p.m. phone activity was actually Andy, and there's no definitive proof to confirm it was her.

Well, according to them, they're saying on the 7th at 1 in the afternoon. But they are going off of because of activity on her phone. I personally, and have always said, who's to say somebody wasn't on her phone? In December 2024, a potential development in Andy's case made headlines.

A December 13, 2024 article in the Evansville Courier and Press, written by Houston Harwood, revealed new details from court records filed in nearby Pike County, Indiana. The man at the center of the story was 42-year-old Robert Lamberson of Otwell, Indiana, who had been charged with narcotics and child solicitation-related offenses that were not connected to Andy.

Lamberson reportedly offered information about Andy's disappearance while in custody. According to the article, Pike County detectives indicated that a subsequent investigation led them to believe Lamberson was likely connected to Andy's case, citing details that he shared that were not widely known to the public.

During the course of the investigation into Lamberson, a search of his home uncovered items that struck investigators as unusual. Inside of his bedroom, they found chains hanging from the ceiling and what appeared to be restraints. On the walls, there were disturbing handmade drawings of naked women. Additionally, a 15-year-old girl and her mother had been staying at his home.

which led to the child solicitation charges. While Lamberson was in jail, he offered up information about Andy's case, but stopped short of implicating himself. He claimed to have obtained this information from a friend who had since passed away. Investigators noted that Lamberson's mannerisms and demeanor led them to suspect he was attempting to distance himself from events he likely had firsthand knowledge of. What made this even more intriguing was that some of the details Lamberson provided—

were confirmed as accurate, particularly those about Andy's case that had not been released to the public. Lamberson did give detectives a location to search, but the information provided was too vague to be helpful in finding Andy.

The Pike County Sheriff's Office also confirmed that independent sources linked Lamberson to either Andy's disappearance or the death of another adult female. An odd aspect of this revelation noted in the article was that the Evansville Police Department was not informed about the investigation in Pike County.

until they saw information circulating on social media. While it's not uncommon for law enforcement agencies to experience communication breakdowns, this seemed like a significant oversight. The agency investigating Andy's case should have been made aware directly by Pike County, not through public chatter.

When we heard about this, we wanted to hear Sarah's insights on this deeply troubling news. We wanted to know more about Robert Lamberson. Was he someone Andy had known? Had his name ever come up before in connection to her case? Well, Otwell is north about 45 minutes, and it's in Pike County. Pike County is more towards the Oakland City area. I don't know where this

name came from. He just came out of the woodwork. Because you know how people talk and then just want a shorter sentence. I haven't heard anybody say that. Nobody. I mean, this guy is like a complete mystery. Maybe the police know who this deceased friend is. I can only speculate. I just find it so odd that it

it's always the Pike County jail people that are doing all this talking. Most of the people of interest were in the Pike County jail along with this guy. And then this guy's name just suddenly comes up and knows all this information, but there is so much jail talk that comes from the Pike County jail. I'm very hesitant, red herring all the way. That's what I think. I'm

I mean, I could be wrong, but I would have to see what actual information he has and compare it to other information that I've actually seen before.

There were countless stories circulating about what happened to Andy and who may have been involved. But Sarah said that Robert Lamberson's name had never come up in any of the information she had gathered or from the sources she had spoken to. His potential involvement came as a complete surprise to her. She's since tried to connect him to the circle of people that Andy had been around. But so far, she's found no link between Lamberson and those who were part of Andy's life.

I can't seem to connect him to anybody. I've tried, but I can't. I have not been able to connect them. Sarah remains skeptical of the Robert Lamberson theory for now, though she acknowledges that there may be crucial details still hidden from the public.

She pointed out that not enough information has been released to fully assess Lamberson's potential involvement. However, Sarah said she received information from another source, someone else at the same jail where Lamberson had been held in Pike County. The details written in the notes that were given to her seemed to align more closely with the story Sarah had been hearing all along, leaving her to question which of these stories holds pieces of the truth. I got these notes that

from Pike County Jail. So he wrote all of these notes down over like a period of time while he was in there. He's got people's names on it, phone numbers on it. And actually this story is a story that we always kind of heard, but we never really had details before. But this one kind of really gives details. And he was at the Pike County Jail too with this Robert guy who

There are other people that are saying that she was buried at this one house and then she had to be dug up and moved in Oakland City at this trailer. Not the trailer that got searched, but a different trailer. He said it's where everybody went to get their medicine. They called it, you know, buy their medicine, drugs.

Sarah has heard a story about a man who has since passed away. His death was ruled a suicide, though many now question that conclusion. According to the story, this man had been starting to crack under pressure and had knowledge of Andy's disappearance. We were always told that

Had him shot because he was starting to run his mouth about the whole Andy thing. And whenever would get high at the time, he would start crying a lot. And he was like, I can't believe we did that to her. She's under here. And starting to tell him, shut up, shut up. And they had buried her out there. And this is where the farmer smelled something bad. And they, they moved her. I scanned all that and sent it to detective Brooks. My reply from detective Brooks was we've questioned everything.

Three times he is not credible. And that was that. Maybe he didn't want to say anything yet. It was another tip that was blown off.

Some members of the community believe law enforcement hasn't done enough to solve Andy's case. However, Tisch acknowledged that they have followed up on leads, executed search warrants, and investigated tips as they came in. Still, she admits that communication hasn't always been as transparent or frequent as she would have hoped, leaving her with lingering questions about the progress of the investigation.

One law enforcement lady let me know that they get tips every day. Some of them might be repeated tips, but they do get tips daily. And she said that they check those tips out, but nothing relevant has actually came to light yet. To get answers for a lot of our questions, we have to, I know this sounds harsh, but we have to kind of like...

annoy the police department and the FBI, text them and call them and text them and call them so frequently. All they do is come back and say, well, we don't have anything new for you. I'm like, well, then why don't you just call the first time instead of me having to chase you down after a week to two weeks?

As time has passed, some leads have been left unaddressed, and communication with Andy's family has dwindled. Sarah expressed hope that in 2025, someone will take a fresh look at Andy's case, bringing renewed attention and possibly uncovering new information that could lead to answers.

Tish talked to the FBI, EPD and stuff like that because, of course, she's aggravated. It just doesn't feel like they're doing anything, just running in circles and not taking any new tips. She was going to request either a new agent or maybe fresh eyes. Everybody sit down together here sometime at the beginning of the year, sit down with them and go over everything.

Nearly two and a half years after Andy's mysterious disappearance from Evansville, Eric continues to grapple with the frustrating silence that surrounds her case. He struggles with the weight of the uncertainty, trying to stay strong for everyone else who is still searching for answers. Answers that he believes are out there, if only someone would come forward and do the right thing.

There's been quite a bit of speculation based on information that's been found. You know the motto, snitches get stitches. So, I mean, yeah, I think that really holds true when it comes to the streets. I'm still struggling with the whole her being missing, and I'm really shocked that I've gotten this far with you right now, and I haven't cried. Reaching deep into the well for memories and things like that, I just, I don't really have it in me at

Andy's younger sister Alex had always shared a close bond with her. Not only has Alex lost her big sister without any answers, but just over a year later, she also lost her mother. Tish explained that this has been incredibly difficult for Alex to process, especially at such a young age.

She's had a very, very rough time dealing with it and coping with it. She kept it kind of closed in for a long time and kind of grieved in her own way. And her and her dad, though, have became so close, which is fabulous to me. She's mentally in a better state than she was then. I know everything takes time to grieve and to get over. But getting over her mom, I feel like was much easier then.

than her sister because you know at least we know her mom did pass and we have a body but with her sister it is still one of those things that is harder to get over

We don't have a closure to our book yet, as we call it. Even if she is deceased, just have her remains to put her at rest. We could all move forward and be done with this chapter. If there was an accident somewhere, that's one thing. But someone had to do something with her. If they would just come clean and tell me what happened, tell her father what happened, we might be able to get past this a little more.

But right now, as it seems no one wants to do that, I don't understand how they can live with that. We're hoping there's a bigger picture to this and Andy is just a small fish in a big pond, and eventually it's all going to come to a head. But if it is, well, when's that going to happen? Because she deserves closure and so do we." So what happened to Andy Wagner after she visited her grandparents' house on August 6, 2022?

We know that after she was seen there, Andy was with a man with whom she had some kind of relationship. His wife and son were also present. His son reported hearing Andy leave that night and get into a vehicle, and then she was never seen or heard from again. Oddly, Andy's grandfather's phone, which she had been using, continued to ping at this man's house through August 7th, which has raised suspicions, especially since it wasn't like Andy to leave her phone behind.

This man has cooperated with investigators and even spoke with Sarah, but he claims to have no idea where Andy went after she left his home. We also know that Andy's mother, Elaine, said that in the weeks leading up to Andy's disappearance, she had called her in Texas and asked her to come get her. Elaine believed Andy was in trouble and needed to leave town for her safety. Rumors have circulated that Andy may have stolen something or owed someone money, though as far as we know, these claims have not been confirmed.

One of the major challenges in this case has been the tangled web of shady characters surrounding Andy. The stories from those in her circle have been inconsistent, and it's difficult to determine if they are hiding something or simply can't recall the details due to their own drug use.

Fingers have also pointed to a family connected to drug trafficking, but despite several properties being searched, no concrete evidence has surfaced regarding Andy. Then, in December 2024, a new twist emerged. Robert Lamberson, a man not previously mentioned in connection with Andy, came forward, claiming to have knowledge about her disappearance.

It's unclear how Andy and Lamberson might have been connected, but his name hadn't surfaced in any of the earlier rumors. This raises the question: Could all of these rumors be unreliable? And is Lamberson a crucial piece of the puzzle who had been overlooked until now? Or did he simply come forward in an attempt to get a lighter sentence for himself? The search for Andy Wagner continues, and her loved ones remain determined to uncover the truth behind her disappearance.

If you have information regarding the disappearance of Andy Wagner, please call the Evansville Police Department at 812-436-7896. Tips may also be submitted to Kingsman Philanthropic Corporation, which is offering a $25,000 reward. You can call or text 930-212-2610 or email tips at therealkingsman.org.

The facts are he is the last one who was with her that saw her that she was with. I mean, that that is the facts that the police know for sure. And then her phone pinged from his house. And they have even said, how did she get from his house to anywhere else? Andy was in and out.

so much staying here and there and wherever that they didn't know where she was half the time. She was just into that life.

Because of who some of these people are and the rumors of how bad they are, I do worry. We have two other daughters, you know, who are 22 and 25. But what I worry most about is we have two grandchildren and we have a 10-year-old son. And it worries me a lot for their safety. As adults, we can take care of ourselves, or so we think. But as children, you can't.

That brings us to the end of episode 471. I'd like to thank everyone who spoke with us for this story. If you have a missing loved one that you'd like to have featured on the show, there's a case submission form at thevanishedpodcast.com. If you'd like to join in on the discussion, there's a page and discussion group on Facebook.

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